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RockyG666 63M
1747 posts
9/11/2013 3:40 pm

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9/19/2013 2:13 pm

no hell

one of the research projects i got to do in seminary was to try to track down the origin of the origin of satan story, and exactly how (or in this case) how not, the bible threatens us with eternal torment.

i know all y'all are going to want to fight over this again, and i could care less. these are just the facts as i found them. ma'am.

the word hell occurs in most english translations an average of around 17 times. different translations may slip in, or remove, an extra instance or so. i tracked down EVERY word that gets translated as hell in the original greek manuscripts. NONE of them are acutally hell.

most of them are the word gehenna (γέεννα), which if anything is a metaphor for total obliteration. gehenna (the valley of hinnon) was acursed because of past religious practices there and it became the garbage dump for jerusalem. the dump was always on fire, which welcomed allusions to hell fire.

The very invention of eternal torment and fire and brimstone, really didn't surface until the 4th Century in germany. jesus and the authors of the new testament would never have heard of what we commonly threaten sinners with.

the other instances of the word hell in english are either hades, (not hell at all, and older), and sheol (again, not at all hell and older). The only translation that i found translating sheol as hell was the KJV. The KJV is some people's only choice.

Death is the consequence of sin, rather than the punishment. In the old covenant of Judaism, sin caused the need for death through offered sacrifices and the life of humans became a limited existence ending in death rather than the immortality we were originally given. When Christ sacrificed his life for all on the cross this old covenant ended, and the new began. Christ conceded his perfect life as God’s offering and his blood covers all sin. The gift of God’s grace through Jesus Christ satisfied the consequence of sin and offers life to all that would receive it.


RockyG666 63M
1357 posts
9/15/2013 8:18 pm

peter. that is what the bible says. the wages of sin is death.

it NEVER threatens eternal punishment. only death

george. get bit