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Intelligent Design

On the Teaching of Intelligent Design in Public Schools

gavinLS, August 11, 2005

The controversy surrounding this topic tends to support what I have been saying for some years now. “Science” as we know it today, is just another religion, though the prac tit ioners usually fail to realize that. The differences are merely semantic.
Throughout history, mankind has had to cope with the universe. Earlier men made assumptions based upon random events that they interpreted either correctly or incorrectly. Those people who seemed to have a theory about how the universe worked expressed them within what became ins tit utions which seemed to provide answers for the common man. Nowadays we call those earlier attempts at understanding and coping with the universe “religion.” But early humans just considered it the best place to find answers to questions they had in an effort to cope with life, and to optimize their existence. It was the best “science” they had at the time. In that light, what we today call “science” is no different from any previous attempts by humans to best cope with existence. Religions of the past have always been forsaken when better and more successful coping mechanisms in the form of newer “religions” came along that surpassed the usefulness of prior religions. Modern man has come up with newer and in many ways better coping mechanisms in this new religion. This new religion is better capable of prophesying about many things. But like all its predecessors, modern science is now going through a phase of development similar to other religions as they advance through time.
It has happened to all the previous religions. At some point, adherents and high priests all begin to fear differing ideas. Eventually they all try to suppress opposition. They don’t want opposing views to be heard by the masses.
The superiority of science lies in what should be flexibility. Since before Galileo scientists constantly refined and updated their understanding of the universe, and have developed methodology much more efficient for doing this, via the Scientific Method. To date, no newer religion has been more productive in efforts to advance man’s ability to cope with the universe.
Much of this new religion called science is limited to the material world, but even there many scientists cannot see that they often break their own rules. There have always been opposing theories that were each considered “scientific.” Many of them have been proven right or wrong as the religious zealots of science practice their faith. Just like prior “religions”, those theories may work for a time, but can be surpassed by better more effective ones. Some still exist side by side today. It was Newton’s physics that placed a man on the moon, but it cannot explain the workings of a quark as well as Quantum physics is able to do. Yet both those “religious constructs” continue to be used, and both seem equally correct. Einstein went to his grave hoping to unify them, but to this day they both operate simultaneously and independently in and uneasy coexistence.
Some things have to be taken on faith.
Yes, faith. Scientists frequently exercise faith. In 1963 when President Kennedy urged the United States to endeavor to put a man on the moon, scientists showed they had faith that it was possible. Had there been a strong and widely accepted scientific argument disproving the possibility, then we would never have tried, and had Kennedy lived to run for a second term his “heresy” might likely have cost him the Presidency. But scientists had faith, and it was based upon their learnings within.their religion. They had “grown in their faith.”
Many scientists today cl aim that they only trust that which is testable. Such testing yields results that either fit in with our schema of the universe, or redefine it. But this is hypocrisy to make such claims.
My educational background is as a scientist. My field is psychology and my academic efforts were primarily on those testable aspects of the field. Yet that same field is rife with untestable notions which are utilized every day to the betterment or detriment of mankind. Sigmund Freud postulated aspects of the human mind which may best be described as spiritual. His “theories” have not been universally accepted by others in the field, yet they are still taught and used today. They remain “kosher” simply because they have not been disproved, though other theories may yield better results. Abraham Maslowe’s theory of Self-Actualization is still taught to students of psychology, and provides a system for many clinicians trying to help human beings. But show me a test that proves or disproves it. Or if one wants to limit science strictly to the material universe, B.F. Skinner demonstrated the fundamentals of learning using lab rats and pigeons. But can Skinner or any other scientist explain sentience in organisms? What “force” enables me to be aware of my own existence and that of the world around me? If I am just matter, what force impels me to care? What force compels me to want to continue existing at all? Perhaps I may possibly be happier if I were dust?
Or let’s confine our discussion to physics. Why can’t our understanding of the electro-magnetic force be unified with our understanding of the gravitational force?
Science throughout its history has had to postulate concepts to answer many questions, some testable and some untestable, with varying results. The history of our understanding of the atom was changed numerous times by the addition of various elements that had to be postulated in order to fill our understanding. Did any scientist ever see an electron? No, but they postulated it via deductive reasoning. They assumed it must be there.
One of my favorite theories in physics is known as String Theory. I’m limited in my ability to comprehend and explain it, but I find it fascinating that it may provide a unified field theory that would meld Quantum mechanics and Einstein’s Relativity. It holds that the universe and everything in it is comprised of infinitely small vibrating strings of pure energy. If string theory is valid, then the proofs within it demonstrate no less than eleven different dimensional planes of existence, and possibly more. Fascinating! But doesn’t that coincide well with the concepts of Heaven and Hell, both of which have some adherents citing various planes of existence within them?
If modern scientists are not offended by the String Theory of the universe, why are they so repulsed at the idea that some infinitely superior power may be in control of it? God is just another postulation that may provide the answers. It is every bit as well deducible from the evidence as those elusive electrons. The fact that we have obtained predictable results in our efforts to manipulate subatomic particles only presents cause and effects which coincide with our assumed concepts. We know what we will have on a printout when we think we have forced two quarks to collide, but did anyone actually witness the collision? Is there no other possible explanation for those results? And if not, how can we know that such an alternative theory cannot exist?
Scientists who fear such alternative views are no wiser than the mediaeval priests who forced Galileo to recant. They want to limit our minds to their own mental limitations. Science cannot prove or disprove many of the theories it continues to support. Why cannot Intentional Design be viewed among those? To argue that it cannot, is akin to telling the biologist that insects cannot exist outside his laboratory.
Okay, if you still don’t agree, my next question is what gives modern liberals the right to deny access to such alternative views? Why are they so afraid people will think along different lines and make up their own minds? Shouldn’t students in our schools be taught to think deeply and independently? If modern “science” has a better answer, then students will realize that for themselves. Now the issue becomes one of ethics.
Science utilizes deductive and inductive logic all the time, so I have purposely stayed away from Biblical quotations to make my points here, so that scientists and liberals will have to debate this issue in a logical manner rather from a narrow mindedness and bias against alternative thought.

A long wordy post that I really didn't want to write in the first place
Posted:Feb 7, 2012 1:47 pm
Last Updated:Feb 22, 2012 2:55 am
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Hi folks. Been noticing a lot of tension in the blogs lately. Some folks have even wanted me to weigh in on it. I’m complimented if ppl respect my opinions, but I’m not sure I can do much about the problems in here.

Everyone is a jerk sometimes. And some folks seem to have an extra gift in that ability.

If ppl persist in trying to rile others, I don’t think much that can really be done to stop them. But I’ve noticed that those who rail on the most, trying to get bystanders to take their sides, usually lose credibility with those they r trying to convince anyway.

So I’ve been thinking about this. I made a long comment on SiennaSun’s latest post, but that mainly just expressed my confusions over the whole matter.

Ppl r gonna change handles and come into BC as much as they want. So it’s silly to think we can “run” them out. Besides, if they come in and don’t attack anyone, then why attack them?

As to the veiled insults and innuendos, all I can say is that when someone tries that with me, I usually try to conduct myself as if I didn’t realize the attack was aimed at me. That forces them to be specific, and come right out and make their accusations against me. Or, many times someone else will ask them to be specific, and the same thing happens. Occasionally, I may ask them directly if they mean me. Often times I find out that their comments were not directed at me or were just innocent comments that even they didn’t realize could be construed as an attack. At any rate, if they refuse to get specific, then most ppl who view the exchange will probably c them as the troublemaker anyway.

But if u’r one of the ppl who is consistantly trying to get a rise out of your enemy, or if u attack them the moment u see them even before they can say or do anything offensive, then you are part of the problem and not the solution. Same thing if u drag up ancient history that has no bearing on the topic of the time. You end up looking like the troublemaker.

It’s also silly to think we can “expose” anyone in here. It’s not like there r masses of people who r so uninformed or naive that they won’t figure things out for themselves soon enough anyway.
So what if someone was an ass in the past? So what if they have a new handle? Unless they definitely pose a serious threat to anyone, and by that I mean u actually c a crime or fraud in the process of being perpetrated, to attack them just makes you look like the bad guy.

I’ve spent most of my BC years in the chats. Many ppl regard me as credible. I’m pretty sure one reason for that, is my attempt to make a habit of NEVER being the first one to raise an old argument, or to attack an adversary as soon as I c them enter the room. This includes not making innuendos or veiled comments designed to dredge up past garbage. And by old argument, I’m referring to any difference that is more than 15 minutes old.

As to making innuendos and veiled comments that r not in response to a DEFINITE and SPECIFIC attack on you, if u know that ur comments r going to inspire offense in someone, whether ur comments are true or not, YOU are the troublemaker. Even if u consider it friendly teasing. Maybe it can be said some ppl r too sensitive. But if u know that, and u still deliberately try to get a reaction out of them, then YOU are the troublemaker.

I suppose I could blather on some more, but this blog has gotten too long anyway.

I suggest ppl don’t worry about what others think about them. I also suggest ppl don’t worry about what others think of their adversaries. The less u worry about what ppl think on both those subjects, the more u’ll find that ppl will agree with you.
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From Chatter to Blogger
Posted:Jan 30, 2012 7:05 am
Last Updated:Jan 31, 2012 10:37 pm
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I joined BC 9 years ago. Made many dear friends from all over the world since then. Became a paying member 8 years ago and I’ve paid consistently ever since. My main reason for paying was out of a sense of guilt because I used the service so much. But I enjoy the fact that I feel entitled, and have the right to avail myself of everything that the BigChurch website has to offer.

Wrote my first blog post almost 7 years ago. (It was a long winded wordy piece of tripe. Very boring and self-serving.) Since then I’ve made occasional short forays into the blogs, but I like to keep them short and I try to relate to people as equals.

I’ve found that the average time a person stays really active in BC usually ranges from about 6 months to a year. But there are a few of us old timers. I know a few who have been active since BigChurch first went online. But there aren’t many of them left.

One night about a month ago, I was awakened and (I believe instructed) compelled to write a short blog post directed at pushy know-it-alls. First I wrote it, then had to pray a lot before I posted it. Now, I’m convinced God wanted me to do it. It caused a small stir, because most people agreed with my premise, but although the post was directed at no one in particular, one person (whom I’d never met before) took it personal, and attacked me for it. Later, after interest in the topic was waning, another fellow I’d never met tried to use my blog as a forum to attack others. Both the attackers were regular bloggers I guess. Not completely sure why they felt compelled to bring their drama into my blog, but they did. I didn’t mind tho. I’m used to stuff like that.

In the process, I’ve had some fun in the blogs. Most of the people I met from that experience were chat buddies. (A few who hadn’t been in the chats in months.) It was nice to make contact with them again. One dear old friend from the chatrooms even referred to my recent re-entry into the blogs as the “invasion from the chatrooms” or something like that. LOL But I should also add that I’ve met a few people in the blogs whom I’d never met before, and I’ve enjoyed our exchanges.

Now, I’ve taken an interest in the blogs too. I don’t’ read all of them, and I don’t always comment, but I check the blogs many times during the day to see if there’s anything new there that inspires me.

The drama level is about the same in both venues and the dramatists tend to be the same people.

Overall, I’ve found people to be about the same everywhere. Blogs and chats contain the same ratio of loonies, and normal people. I’m convinced God loves all of us..
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So You Want to Write a Book?
Posted:Jan 23, 2012 1:04 am
Last Updated:Sep 28, 2012 4:00 am
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If you are one of those who thinks you’d like to write a book, here’s an approach that worked for me:

Start by using a word processor that has a word counter on it. You’ll want to be able to keep track, cos most books should run between 100 and 200 thousand words. But there’s a more important reason too. That’s for getting it started.

First, just start writing the opening paragraphs. Keep writing until you just start to feel a bit confused about details, or where your writing is going. For me, this usually happens around 5000 words, which really isn’t that much.

Here’s the trick: Then, stop working on the text, and do an outline of the remainder of the book. It doesn’t have to be real complicated, but the more detail you put in here the better. Don’t worry about whether you’re doing a “proper” outline. Nobody is ever gonna read it. It’s just there to act as a guide for you, so don’t stress about it. It has all the value of a series of “post-it” notes. You’re gonna scrap them soon enough. They r just reminders. Keep working on it until each listed chapter covers every point you need to make.

I like to let my outline be a part of my book, in the same word processor document. Tnen I just delete it slowly and gradually as I complete each item it has listed.

Now, go back to where you left off on the text. From here on out you’re more a typist than a writer, cos the book will take on a life of its own and write itself.

I’ve told several aspiring writers about this approach, and a few of them have come back and thanked me later. I cant’ say this approach will work for everyone, but it does for me.

GBU all

Gavin
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More musings. I'll try to keep it short
Posted:Jan 22, 2012 3:21 am
Last Updated:Jan 23, 2012 6:30 am
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My birthday was wonderful!!

I was just reflecting today on more stuff. Little things I’ve learned in life. Some of those things are:

I don’t always have to get the last word in to win an argument. Very often I can win by letting the opposition just ramble on.

I think the least impressive people are the ones that try too hard to impress me. Not saying they are bad people. But it just seems like they need me too much. It would be flattering if it wasn’t so boring.

U still can’t hug your enough.

Benjamin Disraeli (British statesman of the 19th century) was right. “Never complain and never explain”

I think one of the best ways to get people to like you, is to let them know they aren’t obligated to.

I also think one of the best ways to get people to like you is to start liking them first.

The last couple statements put me in mind of people who try to desperately hard to convince you that they are correct about some viewpoint, argument, or position. If they try too hard and too much, u begin to realize they are needy, and it’s almost impossible to agree with them. And even when you do, you are reluctant to take their side.

Once an argument has gone silent for 15 minutes, it’s ancient history and should be dropped.

I’ve also learned that every time I run into a person I differ with, or if their name comes up in conversation, I don’t need to bring the last argument up all over again.

Holding a grudge will make you the desperate one.

Coke is better than Pepsi

And you still can’t hug your enough.
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Musings on Turning 57. This may get long.
Posted:Jan 18, 2012 4:02 pm
Last Updated:Jan 23, 2012 6:32 am
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I’m gonna be 57 in a few days. Years ago I reached a point where I’m confronted with the fact of my own mortality. But I don’t care to think about it from that standpoint anymore. If I’m getting closer to death, I’d like to think about what I’ve learned from life so far.

I’ve learned that we all are heroes sometimes, and other times we r jerks.

I’ve learned that I’ll never get all the answers to everything in this lifetime.

Big one here: I”ve learned I”m nothing special. Was a hard pill to swallow for me. I had a big ego. But I suppose it was born out of insecurity. I was seeking validation. I wanted to prove I had a right to exist. I figured if I was rich enough, had a beautiful wife, was recognized in my field, had a status home, etc, that would prove I had a right to exist. But I was seeking my validation from people. They can only validate us temporarily at best.

Glad about one thing. 57 years old and been a Christian for 57 of those years. I don’t remember a time in my life when I wasn’t a believer. God made it easier on me than He does for a lot of folks. I didn’t have to learn or unlearn any other way. Sure, when I became a young man, I had some doubts, but God always helped me thru them. And I admit that I’m often still confronted with doubts. But He still helps me thru them.

My Christian development came in stages tho. Some aspects of it took decades to develop. I was always a believer, but for most of my life I kept trying to be in charge of my life, instead of letting God be the driver. I had a lot of Christian knowledge but not enough Christian wisdom.

12 or 13 years ago, I reached a low point and it finally struck me that I hadn’t fully surrendered to God.. Much of my “lowness” was due to my own attitude about the things in life that I’d lost or was losing. Now, I think God was taking some things away from me so I’d grow in the long run. I didn’t see that at the time tho. I have to laugh at myself when I look back on this and other “low” points in my life. Cause now I can see that God was really making my life pretty easy. I was the one making it miserable by my fretting about it. Many other people had it much rougher than me.

Overall that depressive phase was one of the best things that could ever happen to me. Ultimately when I woke up in the hospital after a failed suicide attempt, I felt a major compulsion to find out why God had kept me here. I started searching deeply into my faith, its history, theology, etc. I read and studied voraciously for a long time. Some of you old timers in BigChurch might remember how I was and some of the questions I was asking back then.

Tho I never fully got complete answers to every question I had. Over that period of time (up until about 2 years ago) I was engrossed in my studies. I learned a ton of theology and Christian history, history of the Bible, and the Bible too. BigChurch, and all my dear friends there helped me. I learned little in the way of theology from them, but the fellowship I received in the chatrooms helped keep me searching. It also reminded me that the Faith is more than just an academic exercise. Without that fellowship, I think I’d have become an educated but mindless automaton.

I had a formal education before I ever started chatting in BC. BS in psychology and 2 years of law school. I seldom use any of that knowledge but overall I think in the process of getting that education I learned HOW to learn a topic. I don’t get a degree to hang on my wall, but for some things, like theology, I can keep up with the experts.

Interesting thing I learned about theology, was that there are so many different views by so many wise and learned people, that I don’t believe any of us can have it all figured out in this lifetime. Now, I know better than to trust either the integrity or judgment of anyone claiming they have all the answers. On most issues I have what I call “leanings” but I seldom take a hard stance on anything that has nothing to do with salvation. I’m trusting in Jesus and God’s grace for that. Other people can fight over the other stuff if they want. (I just have little patience for anyone trying to correct me on things that are subjective and personal. Or for that matter, anyone who tries to force me to adopt their points of view.)

Couple years ago, I satisfied my curiosities about theology. My faith in God and my relationship with Him had grown a lot and continues to grow. I just lost interest in studying any more. (I still like to share views with others tho I don’t care if anyone agrees with me.) When my interest in theology waned, I took up an old interest in music. I’ve been having a blast with it ever since. I’ve prayed about it a lot, but the only sense I get from God is that He wants me doing it for my own enjoyment. Still, occasionally I like to try to inject some of my faith into my music.

Nowadays, I spend a lot of time in meditation. Usually while I’m drifting off to sleep. At those times, I pray and ask the Lord to take over my thinking processes. Then I try to stay quiet and just listen to where God leads me. Not sure why, but this has become one of my favorite pastimes.

But I believe God speaks to me at those times. He lets me know how I’ve screwed up or how I’ve done well. I wouldn’t say this makes me a prophet. I think anybody can hear God speak to them if they remember to listen.

One of the wisest things I’ve learned in my life, was the ability to say “I don’t know” when it was appropriate to do so. And also to accept living in a world where I’m just not gonna get an answer to every question. I can talk on a lot of Christian topics, and explain a lot of definitions and various positions, but I can’t tell anyone which is THE correct position to take on most of them. I think I mentioned that I have little patience for those who think they can. Still, I like sometimes to help people in their search, to find the answers that are best for themselves. I never “tell” them what to think. I just try to offer various viewpoints and let them decide for themselves.

I’ve also learned that it is impossible to hug your often enough.
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Words of Wisdom
Posted:Jan 12, 2012 4:26 am
Last Updated:Jan 22, 2012 9:20 am
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Words of Wisdom:

There is a phrase seldom uttered by those who lack deeper intellectual prowess. In fact, many people fear using it. It involves a lot of introspection and integrity that many people find intimidating.

It’s not a term to be used lightly. But truly wise people will use it without hesitation and often, as the circumstances require. It’s not something to be uttered all the time, but there are critical moments when it is absolutely necessary.

It is suggested that more people add this phrase to their vocabulary, and practice using it at appropriate times:

The phrase is:

“I don’t know”
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Preterism
Posted:Jan 9, 2012 7:51 pm
Last Updated:Jan 21, 2012 4:42 am
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Preterism is the belief that all or most of Biblical prophecy has already been fulfilled in 70 AD when the Romans sacked Jerusalem and the Temple was destroyed.

I lean towards preterism, but I wouldn’t stake my salvation on any eschatological viewpoint. However, I thought maybe people might have a comment or question that we could discuss.

No long winded diatribes, and please stay on topic. And please, if u feel a need to attack someone, attack me and keep your past grievances with others out of my blog. But again, just keep it short and get to the point.
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If You Can:
Posted:Jan 7, 2012 11:38 pm
Last Updated:Sep 16, 2016 8:34 pm
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If you can:

Answer all questions from the Bible,

Prove the correct theology,

Be willing to fight for the proper doctrines,

Believe our calling is to know and stand up for the whole and perfect truth and teach it to everyone, overcoming all dissension,

-Sit down and shut up. You’re a baby-Christian, making a fool of yourself. You’re also turning a lot of people away from Christ.
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How Do We Know the Bible is the Word of God?
Posted:Aug 24, 2010 12:29 pm
Last Updated:Feb 7, 2012 2:33 pm
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Can anyone tell me where I can find Scriptural verses that say the Bible is the word of God?

Thank you,

Gavin
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Chronic Wierdness
Posted:Jun 22, 2009 12:08 am
Last Updated:Jan 16, 2012 12:06 pm
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Hi folks. In case u haven't figured it out yet, I'm sort of an odd ball. I find it neither good nor bad to be different. It is what it is. I'm happy enough with it.

Anyway, I have some theological views that r rather outside mainstream Protestantism, that I like to share with others for their consideration. NOBODY HAS TO AGREE WITH THEM. And it won't make any difference how u choose to believe on these topics when u stand in judgement.

So, periodicly, I plan to mention some of my views for ppl to respond to. I'll usually present them in such a way that will elicit comments from ppl. I'd suggest ppl don't become nasty, cos I always win those debates. But feel free to disagree!!!!.

(PS, if u do become nasty I might delete ur comments, or worse, leave them there so I can ridicule u. Ur choice)

My first topic has to do with the difference between two theological views of the Bible. Biblical Inerrancy vs Biblical Infallibility. (I suggest u do a Wikipedia search before u comment)

I ascribe to Biblical Infallibility. I believe the Bible is the best sourcebook we have, but it is not perfect. Nor is it a perfect depiction of all and solely God's words.

In short, I love and revere the Bible but I don't worship it or think it is perfect. Nor do I think it even needs to be. (Note, an exception is that I feel the message of salvation thru faith in Christ and God's Grace IS presented perfectly)

Any comments?
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