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Do you think President Bush is a Christian? |
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7/9/2007 4:39 pm |
Brotherhood of Death? Lets see some documentation about that.
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7/9/2007 4:51 pm |
I'm curious where your proof is about him belonging to those groups. I question many things he does but I'm not going to judge weather he is or not. I don't agree with everything he says either let alone everything people who say they are christians say. I don't see his day to day life or yours and you don't see mine. So how can you know him or me or anyone by their fruits unless you are around them enough. Just because someone makes mistakes don't exclude them. What I think is this, if you see something you believe he's not living up to what Jesus teaches then it's your calling to pray for him. We all are supposed to pray for those who are the leaders so that we may live a peaceful life. Love covers a multitude of sins. 1 Corinthians 13 says: 1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 1Co 13  Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. gbu NJ Steve
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7/9/2007 5:08 pm |
My proof? For one, simply google skull and bones and George Bush. The very first hit is from 60 minutes. They did a feature all about it. He and his father, George H. Bush are both members. On top of that, Dubya went on Meet The Press and Tim Russert asked him that exact question. There was lots of coverage of it. In fact both Bush AND Kerry are both members of the Brotherhood of Death. When Bush Sr. was initiated his new name in the organization was Magog. Just a little research will show this organization is completely occultic and satanic. And there are also other examples of where he has said that Muslims and Christians are all worship the same God. I can provide more evidence if you like. And I did pray for The President in Sunday in church when the pastor led a prayer for him to make right decisions. I am not saying we shouldn't pray for him. I just think he professes very deceptive statements about Christianity. And we must be careful of this. As it is written: For although they hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it [their conduct belies the genuiness of their profession]. Avoid all such people; turn away from them." 2 Timothy 3:5
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7/9/2007 5:18 pm |
Shore he's a Christian but he aint perfect, like the rest of us. He's for war, and Christ is the Prince of Peace, and totally against war....but....men will be men. (The President replied: “Yes, they do. We have different routes of getting there.” Acts 4:12 clearly says, “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.) You, like most Christians, forget about God's promise to those who have faith in Him, per Abraham type faith. This includes Jews, Muslims, and all who believe in God. God don't break no promises. Temporal salvation (in this life) only comes thru Christ, but eternal salvation covers many, even though they don't find Christ in this life. I'm thankful for my temporal salvation, and also for God's original promise to all who believe in Him, in whatever manner. I'm also thankful for His unconditional love to all of His offspring, and for His great sacrifice thru Christ to cover them too.
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7/9/2007 5:47 pm |
I am with you 100% my brother. If Bush was a Christian he would have known the real answer to the question. God's word is true, and God can not lie. Peaches196047
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7/9/2007 6:21 pm |
My proof? For one, simply google skull and bones and George Bush. The very first hit is from 60 minutes. They did a feature all about it. He and his father, George H. Bush are both members. On top of that, Dubya went on Meet The Press and Tim Russert asked him that exact question. There was lots of coverage of it. In fact both Bush AND Kerry are both members of the Brotherhood of Death. When Bush Sr. was initiated his new name in the organization was Magog. Just a little research will show this organization is completely occultic and satanic. And there are also other examples of where he has said that Muslims and Christians are all worship the same God. I can provide more evidence if you like. And I did pray for The President in Sunday in church when the pastor led a prayer for him to make right decisions. I am not saying we shouldn't pray for him. I just think he professes very deceptive statements about Christianity. And we must be careful of this. As it is written: For although they hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it [their conduct belies the genuiness of their profession]. Avoid all such people; turn away from them." 2 Timothy 3:5 hogwash. We are what we believe we are. C. S. Lewis
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7/9/2007 6:32 pm |
The interview only means that He wasn't going to fall into the trap being laid for him by the press. You and I both know that if he had said that Muslims and Jews don't go to heaven that there would have been a huge outcry and he would have been called a bigot. We are what we believe we are. C. S. Lewis
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7/9/2007 6:50 pm |
My proof? For one, simply google skull and bones and George Bush. The very first hit is from 60 minutes. They did a feature all about it. He and his father, George H. Bush are both members. On top of that, Dubya went on Meet The Press and Tim Russert asked him that exact question. There was lots of coverage of it. In fact both Bush AND Kerry are both members of the Brotherhood of Death. When Bush Sr. was initiated his new name in the organization was Magog. Just a little research will show this organization is completely occultic and satanic. And there are also other examples of where he has said that Muslims and Christians are all worship the same God. I can provide more evidence if you like. And I did pray for The President in Sunday in church when the pastor led a prayer for him to make right decisions. I am not saying we shouldn't pray for him. I just think he professes very deceptive statements about Christianity. And we must be careful of this. As it is written: For although they hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it [their conduct belies the genuiness of their profession]. Avoid all such people; turn away from them." 2 Timothy 3:5
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7/9/2007 6:55 pm |
Most of the Presidents have been in the Freemasonic type Organizations which are in reality anything but Christian. Some Christians in the Organization who are in the top positions of it, realize what it is, while others at the lower positions do not. Get some of Texe Marr's books and you will have all the documentation you need, if you are really desiring it. A good study of Revelation will show that the United States is going to be the at the forefront pushing the Mark of the Beast. This country has been preparing for it for a long time, Satan behind the scenes. Freemasonry plays a big part in it all. regarding the United States of America: "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed." I wont bother to explain here but the first beast is the Papacy. Ti:2:14: Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity
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7/9/2007 6:57 pm |
Unbelievable as it sounds, there is a fraternity at Yale established in 1832 called the Skull & Bones society. Many prominent Americans belong to it, including George Bush Jr. and Sr. Their membership is publicly acknowledged. You can even read about it in back issues of the Yale Alumni Magazine. You can find the many references with a google search using the site:www yalealumnimagazine com and use the skull bones search option. Here are some cited sources. The Skull and Bones also incorporates sexual activities into their practices. "The death of the initiate will be as frightful as the use of human skeletons and ritual psychology can make it..." (Esquire Magazine, "The Last Secrets of Skull and Bones", Ron Rosenbaum, p. 89). Sexual perversion is part of ritual psychology. Ron Rosenbaum, author of the Esquire Magazine article, stated that on initiation night, called tap night, "...if one could climb to the tower of Weir Hall, the odd castle that overlooks the Bones courtyard, one could hear strange cries and moans coming from the bowels of the tomb as the 15 newly tapped members were put through what sounded like a harrowing ordeal..." (Esquire, September, 1976, p. 86). In William Cooper's book, Behold a Pale Horse, he says "...Members of the Order (Skull and Bones) take an oath that absolves them from any allegiance to any nation or king or government or constitution, and that includes the negating of any subsequent oath which they may be required to take. They swear allegiance only to the Order and its goal of a New World Order...according to the oath Bush (speaking of the first president Bush) took when he was initiated into Skull and Bones, his oath of office as President of the United States means nothing." Finally, I would recommend going to amazon and looking up "Secrets of The Tomb" which is the foremost account of the Brotherhood of death. It lists many rituals which I won't even write here. Again, I am just providing these sources as support. All the points in this discussion are very valid. I don't know what the President does day to day. But as President we certainly see a great deal of his life on national television weekly (esp. someone like me who follows politics very closely). So in that regard he is nothing like us non-celebs. I hope I am wrong and that he is a devout Christian. I am just giving my opinion. And for the record, I am NOT a Democrat. I don't even vote. I follow politics closely and I have opinions on many issues (against the Iraq war from the onset; 100% pro-life) I am not supporting any candidate for office and won't be voting in the next election.
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7/9/2007 7:03 pm |
I'm aware of those things NJ. Thanks anyway. But I wont give up praying for them. gbu
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7/9/2007 7:17 pm |
"I am not supporting any candidate for office and won't be voting in the next election." Good for you and Me neither. Ti:2:14: Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity
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How soon we forget.......agenda of the Bush (Dad and Son)Administration is the New World Order. North America was the colonies of Europe and part of the Roman Empire who will be ushering in antichrist government. See how Laodecia is sleeeeeeeeping! Hey Claudia, my dear,we agree on something! SDA have some understanding of whats going to happen but I do not agree it is going to be over the Sabbath issue. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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7/9/2007 9:08 pm |
Hey Sweethoney-- Good to see you. I did not even want to get into the New World Order which Bush Sr. announced to the Congress on 9/11/91. Or the fact that they are both members of Bohemian Grove. But here are some referenced passages: The Skull and Bones also incorporates sexual activities into their practices. "The death of the initiate will be as frightful as the use of human skeletons and ritual psychology can make it..." (Esquire Magazine, "The Last Secrets of Skull and Bones", Ron Rosenbaum, p. 89). Sexual perversion is part of ritual psychology. Ron Rosenbaum, author of the Esquire Magazine article, stated that on initiation night, called tap night, "...if one could climb to the tower of Weir Hall, the odd castle that overlooks the Bones courtyard, one could hear strange cries and moans coming from the bowels of the tomb as the 15 newly tapped members were put through what sounded like a harrowing ordeal..." (Esquire, September, 1976, p. 86). In William Cooper's book, Behold a Pale Horse, he says "...Members of the Order (Skull and Bones) take an oath that absolves them from any allegiance to any nation or king or government or constitution, and that includes the negating of any subsequent oath which they may be required to take. They swear allegiance only to the Order and its goal of a New World Order...according to the oath Bush (speaking of the first president Bush) took when he was initiated into Skull and Bones, his oath of office as President of the United States means nothing." Additionally you can look up "Secrets of the tomb" on Amazon. It is the foremost source on The Brotherhood of Death. Ironically I thought it would be Bush's statement about Muslims and non-Christians all going to Heaven that would really have stood out.
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Yes, my dear, I know all about it. However,you will find alot of Christians are sleeeeeeeping! I read a quote yesterday that made me laugh....The strongest opinion is usually the one without evidence!! You will find alot of opinions that make alot of noise on your blogs but with little or no evidence to back up those opinions! Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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7/10/2007 8:00 am |
Yes, my dear, I know all about it. However,you will find alot of Christians are sleeeeeeeping! I read a quote yesterday that made me laugh....The strongest opinion is usually the one without evidence!! You will find alot of opinions that make alot of noise on your blogs but with little or no evidence to back up those opinions!
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7/10/2007 8:00 am |
How soon we forget.......agenda of the Bush (Dad and Son)Administration is the New World Order. North America was the colonies of Europe and part of the Roman Empire who will be ushering in antichrist government. See how Laodecia is sleeeeeeeeping! Hey Claudia, my dear,we agree on something! SDA have some understanding of whats going to happen but I do not agree it is going to be over the Sabbath issue. I am glad we agree on something. Maybe some day I could convince you it will have something to do with the Sabbath issue. There is alot more to this but here is a indication of it: MARK OF THE BEAST PASSAGE Verse 7 quoting right straight out of the 4th commandment, the Sabbath commandment... Exodus 20:11: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. the issue is over obeying God's commandments rather than man's. The Pope has decided he was God. "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws. " Daniel 7.25. incidently same thing mentioned here: 2Thes:2:4: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Let us read a most challenging statement made by the Church. They have done exactly what God predicted they would do. "The Pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret, even divine laws....The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth with most ample power of binding and loosing the sheep."-From the Prompta Bibliotheca published in 1900 in Rome by the press of the propaganda. "The pope has power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ."-Decretal de Translat, Episcop. Cap. The pope's will stands for reason. He can dispense above the law, and of wrong make right by correcting and changing laws."-Pope Nicholas, Dis. 96. Revelation 14: 6: And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7: Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8: And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9: And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10: The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments OF GOD, and the faith of Jesus. Mt:15:3: But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? of course though then there is so much bible prophecy in Daniel and Revelation that tell us right what is going to happen. Ti:2:14: Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity
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My proof? For one, simply google skull and bones and George Bush. The very first hit is from 60 minutes. They did a feature all about it. He and his father, George H. Bush are both members. On top of that, Dubya went on Meet The Press and Tim Russert asked him that exact question. There was lots of coverage of it. In fact both Bush AND Kerry are both members of the Brotherhood of Death. When Bush Sr. was initiated his new name in the organization was Magog. Just a little research will show this organization is completely occultic and satanic. And there are also other examples of where he has said that Muslims and Christians are all worship the same God. I can provide more evidence if you like. And I did pray for The President in Sunday in church when the pastor led a prayer for him to make right decisions. I am not saying we shouldn't pray for him. I just think he professes very deceptive statements about Christianity. And we must be careful of this. As it is written: For although they hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it [their conduct belies the genuiness of their profession]. Avoid all such people; turn away from them." 2 Timothy 3:5 Here is another great scripture. Soldiers are to do NO VIOLENCE TO ANY MAN Lk 3:14 That means no more soldiers! But hey, we can twist these scriptures right? We shall know them by their FRUIT, no matter what they profess... 
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7/10/2007 1:21 pm |
There isnt thing we can do about Bush being in office now, but pray he makes the right decisions. What he has done or not done he has to answer to the Big Guy Upstairs.. Matthew 7:2-3 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?... Start praying now For our next leader to be truly led of Christ Blessings to you in Christ Karen
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7/10/2007 3:24 pm |
There isnt thing we can do about Bush being in office now, but pray he makes the right decisions. What he has done or not done he has to answer to the Big Guy Upstairs.. Matthew 7:2-3 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?... Start praying now For our next leader to be truly led of Christ
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7/10/2007 3:35 pm |
Good debate....however I think I am going to let Jesus sort out Bush's heart....I think that there is fruit in some of the decisions that come from his administration. I don't care what anybody say's....I like the Bush Duo. 
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7/10/2007 3:37 pm |
There isnt thing we can do about Bush being in office now, but pray he makes the right decisions. What he has done or not done he has to answer to the Big Guy Upstairs.. Matthew 7:2-3 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?... Start praying now For our next leader to be truly led of Christ But getting back to The Word, how else can we be sure that the interpretation I suggest is correct? Well I started this entire blog by quoting from the exact same chapter of Matthew you used! And here Jesus is telling us to be discerning when examining the behavior of another: "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." [Matthew 7:16-20] So clearly, we are instructed to examine and "judge" the behavior of others. Jesus also told us that we are to "judge righteously". Listen to John 7:24, "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." So as you can see Jesus clearly instructs us to judge, but to do so in righteous manner, focused on The Word. And I examining the fruits of the President. I did not even mention that he is also a member of the occult Bohemian Club who hold an annual mock child sacrifice before a 40 foot statue of an owl of Molech. Their campsite is called Bohemian Grove. Yes, this is also true. There are numerous books and articles about Bohemian Grove and the Bohemian Club. Sicilian Girl -- I'm glad we agree! And you're right. No more war! And SoCarolina Man -- You raise a good point. I only mention CBS because they actually did a feature on the Brotherhood of Death. I agree that they are a left-leaning network. but believe me, my loyalty is to Christ. Although I follow politics very closely. I am NOT a Democrat. And I do not and will not vote. Trust me, I am no supporter of Bill or Hillary Clinton! lol.
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7/10/2007 4:10 pm |
All of this reminds me of a recording I heard over 30 years ago. A woman who some considered a prophetess was convinced that she knew the identity of the antichrist. She was really into the "last days" scenarios and said with dealy earnest that the number of the beast 666 indicated that Ronald Wilson Reagan (Six letters in each name) was the antichrist. A man of God whom I greatly respect said recently that the problem with the majority of evangelical christians is that they are defined more by what they are against than what they are for. The result is that when the world looks at our lives they get a warped picture of who God really is. They see rampant hypocrisy and judgementalism instead of love and grace. This morning I saw a bumper sticker that summed it up nicely: "I like your Christ, but I don't like your Christians. They are too unlike your Christ" Mahatma Ghandi. May the Lord make this point to all of our hearts We are what we believe we are. C. S. Lewis
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7/10/2007 6:28 pm |
All of this reminds me of a recording I heard over 30 years ago. A woman who some considered a prophetess was convinced that she knew the identity of the antichrist. She was really into the "last days" scenarios and said with dealy earnest that the number of the beast 666 indicated that Ronald Wilson Reagan (Six letters in each name) was the antichrist. A man of God whom I greatly respect said recently that the problem with the majority of evangelical christians is that they are defined more by what they are against than what they are for. The result is that when the world looks at our lives they get a warped picture of who God really is. They see rampant hypocrisy and judgementalism instead of love and grace. This morning I saw a bumper sticker that summed it up nicely: "I like your Christ, but I don't like your Christians. They are too unlike your Christ" Mahatma Ghandi. May the Lord make this point to all of our hearts I guess with those bumper stickers wouldn't "like" the Apostle Paul who in Acts 13:8 encountered a sorcerer who was trying to persuade a proconsul away from the Christian faith. The proconsul was genuinely interested in what Paul had to say and the sorcerer tried to talk him out of meeting with him. Paul confronted the sorcerer Elymas and called him "child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right!" Wow. That is serious judgment! As I stated earlier Jesus instructed us to examine fruits. You can go ahead and listen to Ghandi if you like, but I am sticking with Jesus!
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Are you SERIOUS??
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7/10/2007 8:59 pm |
Sorry you missed the point in the last post. How about this: 1 Timothy 2 1I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone– 2for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. I do hope that you are not letting this "fruit inspection" hinder your prayers. We are what we believe we are. C. S. Lewis
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I believe Bush is Christian. I think he's been manipulated by his own weaknesses--not an uncommon spiritual condition in my opinion. Secondly I think he is not truly at the helm. I agree with you, NJ, that something isn't right spiritually and it just isn't that subtle, is it? As for skull and bones, I didn't know about that, but I don't personally support those kinds of compromises, however innocuous they may appear. As Christians, though, we all sometimes catch "hell," especially when it matters.
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7/10/2007 9:43 pm |
I believe Bush is Christian. I think he's been manipulated by his own weaknesses--not an uncommon spiritual condition in my opinion. Secondly I think he is not truly at the helm. I agree with you, NJ, that something isn't right spiritually and it just isn't that subtle, is it? As for skull and bones, I didn't know about that, but I don't personally support those kinds of compromises, however innocuous they may appear. As Christians, though, we all sometimes catch "hell," especially when it matters. My observations of the man are that he truly belives that he is doing the right thing and he has suffered politically because he is unwilling to change course just because the polls shift one way or another. I disagree with his position on immigration, but have no doubt that it comes from the same conviction that makes him unwilling to abandon the people of Iraq just because many of the American people have changed their mind about it. We are what we believe we are. C. S. Lewis
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So I prayed before I answer. The Holy Spirit asks, is it wise to conduct this inquiry on the open world wide web? You know . . . key words, NSA, counter-terrorism, etc. As to conspiracy theorists and their nay-saying counterparts . . . I know of a people intentionally infected with syphalis by a government conspiracy, enslaved by a government conspiracy, freed and then later divested of their accumulated wealth by a government conspiracy; I know of a government that admits to spying on its own citizens, has recently been exposed for illegal spying (that is spying in a manner that goes beyond the very wide manner that Congress allowed under the Patriot Act). Now, I ask, why does it seem so much more incredible that this same government that does thesse things and has been exposed and admitted to doing these things, hasn't done anything else even more sinister (yes, more sinister than infecting thousands of innocent men, and their lovers and children therefore, with syphallis)?
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How ironic that you would say this since I am quoting Bible verses in every single post in this blog Lol...this is what these guys do...fight with you right in the face of scripture and evidence...not too swift I would say! Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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As I stated earlier Jesus instructed us to examine fruits. You can go ahead and listen to Ghandi if you like, but I am sticking with Jesus! Lol......preach it bro! Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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think I hear something. It's a noise I'm hearing. It's , It's a clanging sound! Clanging and clanging! Whoever has ears to hear......some people want to reamin deaf, blind, and stupid. They love to attack the messanger when it is really Gods word that they oppose! Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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7/11/2007 8:00 pm |
How ironic that you would say this since I am quoting Bible verses in every single post in this blog Lol...this is what these guys do...fight with you right in the face of scripture and evidence...not too swift I would say! We are what we believe we are. C. S. Lewis
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7/11/2007 8:02 pm |
think I hear something. It's a noise I'm hearing. It's , It's a clanging sound! Clanging and clanging! Whoever has ears to hear......some people want to reamin deaf, blind, and stupid. They love to attack the messanger when it is really Gods word that they oppose! We are what we believe we are. C. S. Lewis
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7/12/2007 3:39 pm |
Let me start by saying that Christianity to probably the majority of Christians I know is more a cultural belief rather than a relationship with the Lord. To be a true Christian is to want to seek Jesus daily and to be "Christlike". We Christians in the Western world tend to loose the true essence of what it actually takes to be a follower of the Lord. In regards to the American President Mr Bush. I don't know Him personally 'lol' but understand that most in politics have to be politically correct in all they say which leads me to believe = Is Mr Bush a cultural Christian like alot in our society? God knows his heart. We as followers of Christ know that God is in controll at the end of the day. We should't judge, just pray and discern what is right and wrong in whats happening all around our world. The signs are there...Another point I want to raise is that many preachers and pastors have become politically correct also. "Didn't Jesus say it How it is" So when we witness to people, we should never water down the Word of God, but preach it in its undiluted sterness. Fab
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I respect your right to believe this, but on what basis do you say that he is not truly at the helm? Is it your own observation that something isn't right spiritually or are you taking someone else's word for this? My observations of the man are that he truly belives that he is doing the right thing and he has suffered politically because he is unwilling to change course just because the polls shift one way or another. I disagree with his position on immigration, but have no doubt that it comes from the same conviction that makes him unwilling to abandon the people of Iraq just because many of the American people have changed their mind about it.
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7/12/2007 8:14 pm |
So he has integrity and will stand on principle on the one hand and is hard headed and the king of denial on the other. Am I misunderstanding your intent here or is this a complete contradiction? Please help me here.
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7/16/2007 4:44 am |
Well for one I will say with regard to "mistruths" on what we read and what the media reports, the President stated on Meet The Press with Tim Russert that he is indeed a member of The Brotherhood of Death, also known as Skull and Bones. So did John Kerry (on a different Sunday). Additionally just some basic research will show that Bush, his father and numerous other relatives of his are all members. So this is fact, not hypothesis or theory. Secondly, with regards to you being a Christian, I am sorry that you somehow think your works can make you worthy of Heaven. They can't. So going to war and doing whatever may have happened there is no different in The Lord's eyes than my fornication or taking of The Lord's name in vain in the past. It's all sin. And we are sinners at birth. What makes us Christians is our faith, belief and acceptance of Jesus Christ as the ONLY was to receive the Gift of Salvation. And then repenting and turning away from our sinful behavior as we seek The Lord with diligence (the Bible, prayer, fellowship). So I can tell you that I have "judged myself" and I am 100% certain of me being a Christian and my salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior. And that is my point. I am not getting at whether President Bush is a sinner or not. It's what he actually believes. If joining a satanic occultic group, was just a "youthful indiscretion" why not say "I'm not a member anymore"?? Especoially if you are Born Again! Wouldn't you want to make it abundantly clear that you do not associate with a cult group anymore? And by his own statements, he appears to advocate a liberal, New Age idea on Christianity where all religions lead to Heaven. This is why I question him.
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7/18/2007 12:03 am |
Sorry, you haven't proved that Skull and Bones is in FACT a satanic group. All you have done is point out that someone has made that assertion. But I suppose that the accusation is enough, right? In reference to your response to edisonNJguy, I did not see that he was claiming that his works made him Christian. What I did see was him saying that his experience in Iraq and New Orleans had showed him that one can never trust the media to tell the whole story. Big difference in my view.
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7/18/2007 11:02 am |
I cannot be the judge a man's heart. It can be a very difficult challenge living in the public eye. All sorts of things are purported to be true and factual that aren't. He has a job that I would never want. It would be so difficult and there would be people making false statements, eluding to things that aren't true, trying to bring me down, constantly criticising me and judging me. It has been said many times that no one looks good under a microscope. Good luck and God bless any person who takes on such a job. I cannot even start to have a truly honest opinion. However, I quite often get a knowing when I am around another Christian or view another Christian that they are a Christian before I even find out. This knowing is does not come from viewing any great standard of behaviour to which they hold. It is just a knowing which I hope is the Holy Spirit in me connecting spiritually with the Holy Spirit in another. I have this same sense when it comes to the President. I believe he is doing the very best he can and does not knowingly have any evil agenda.
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7/18/2007 2:05 pm |
wow, I honestly thought he was, and didn't hear of what u posted. That's scary to think about. How did you know he is in a satanic cult or whatever? Anywhere on the net I can look that up?
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7/19/2007 1:35 am |
And also TFLYNN -- This is what EdisonNJGuy wrote that I am responding to - "Going back to Is Bush a christian, I must first look at myself.... going overseas to war... Am I a christian?" So I think my response was appropriate. I thought the point about Katrina and the media was a different point altogether (which I happen to agree with).
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7/22/2007 11:39 am |
Sorry you missed the point in the last post. How about this: 1 Timothy 2 1I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone– 2for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. I do hope that you are not letting this "fruit inspection" hinder your prayers.
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7/22/2007 11:48 am |
I forgot, your opinion is God's opinion. Good thing you keep reminding us all, since there is so little of His character reflected in what you write.
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7/24/2007 5:03 pm |
I cannot stress enough that I started this thread because George Bush is the leader of the most powerful country on the planet. Once again, I will say that I am not talking about an average guy from down the block. I am talking about the President. As seen by how many people once backed the Iraq war and believed that Iraq had something to do with the planning of 9/11, he is an extremely influential person. And he has had quite an influence over Christians and the "Religious right" in the country. Again, I find it very interesting that so many are willing to overlook his membership in a completely satanic organization. I mean his Dad was given the name "Magog"! That doesn't raise even a little concern? According to Robert Goldsborough of Washington Dateline , Governor George Bush has a 'secret ingredient which will help him in his bid to become America's next president -- membership in a society which is even more secretive than Freemasonry'. The society goes by the unofficial names of Skull and Bones and/or The Order, and its members are usually referred to as 'Bonesmen'." "The Order was founded at Yale in 1833 and membership in it is a Bush family tradition. Gov. Bush was inducted into Skull and Bones in 1968; his father, [President] George Herbert Walker Bush, was inducted in 1948; and his grandfather, Prescott S. Bush, who served as a U.S. Senator, was inducted in 1917." SKULL AND BONES SECRET SOCIETY -- A QUICK STUDY In past articles, we have stated that the New World Order could not have been realized had it not been for the intense activities of various secret societies throughout the world. We have mentioned one world-wide secret society, the Brotherhood Of Death Society, whose symbol is the skull with two crossed bones. The German Brotherhood of Death Society is the Thule Society. Adolf Hitler joined this society in 1919, becoming an adept under the leadership of Dietrich Eckhart. Later, the Thule Society selected Hitler to be their leader of the New World Order, as Eckhart revealed on his deathbed, saying, "Follow Hitler; he will dance, but it is I who have called the tune. I have initiated him into the Secret Doctrine, opened his centers in vision, and given him the means to communicate with the powers." (Trevor Ravenscroft, The Spear Of Destiny, p. 91). In August, 1990, President George Bush announced that the world had now entered into a New World Order. Shockingly, President Bush is an adept in the American Brotherhood of Death Society, the Yale Skull and Bones Society. As we stated earlier, Bush's New World Order is virtually identical with Hitler's; one key connecting point is their common membership in their respective Brotherhood of Death Societies (New Age author, Bill Cooper, Behold A Pale Horse, p. 81; plus Antony Sutton, Introduction To The Order, p.7). Skull and Bones' symbol is also a skull with two crossed bones, but with the mysterious number, '322' underneath. Remember Jesus' solemn warning concerning the deception of the End of the Age. "Take heed that no man deceive you." [Matthew 24:4] Jesus repeated this warning against unparalleled deception, "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." [Matthew 24:11]. Once more, a third time, Jesus warned, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." [Matthew 24:24] When God repeats something three times in Scripture, He is attaching the most significance to it possible. Here, God is telling us that, at the End of the Age, He is going to allow Satan's people to perpetrate the most successful deception in world history. Are you one of those victims? Listen and heed. We are going to prove that the Skull and Bones membership of Former President George H.W. Bush and of his son, Texas Governor George W. Bush are identical to the Satanism of Adolf Hitler in the Thule Society. Both of these secret societies are identical, practicing the most dark of Black Magick Satanic powers. HITLER'S THULE SOCIETY -- AN OVERVIEW Let us begin with a quick overview of the German Thule Society, beginning with a study of its practices and relevant history. Members were Satanists who practiced Black Magick -- this means that they were "solely concerned with raising their consciousness by means of rituals to awareness of evil and nonhuman intelligences in the universe; and with achieving means of communication with these intelligences." (Ravenscroft, Spear of Destiny, p. 161). Concentrate on that seemingly innocent word, rituals. Christians equate a ritual to a church service, thereby not understanding its occultic meaning. The New Age Dictionary defines ritual as a "ceremony to restore balance with nature...and bring back lost harmony and sacredness." Remember we are dealing with the Satanic world, where good is called evil and evil is called good. The sacredness mentioned here is a Satanic sacredness. Rituals literally are proscribed activities designed to allow demonic power to flow through the participants. These activities are proscribed chants, formula wordings, and carefully planned actions. The effect is devastatingly powerful, as demonic force pours through the participants, delivering a counterfeit spiritual experience which literally transforms their lives. Never skip over the word ritual, as it is a word of Satanic power. Thule members practiced a form of Sexual Magic derived from a lodge of which Aleister Crowley was a member. Crowley was recognized as the foremost worshipper of Satan in the 19th Century. "The origin of this...medieval magic...can be traced to a Freemason, Robert Little, who founded the Societas Rosicruciana in 1865... (Ravenscroft, Spear of Destiny, p. 164-5). While the actual sexual perversions which were practiced are too offensive to share, the results are not. Author Revenscroft stated that "indulgence in the most sadistic rituals awakened penetrating vision into the workings of Evil Intelligences and bestowed phenomenal magical powers." (Ibid. p. 167). This is the Thule Society. Ravenscroft records its effect upon Hitler, "...sexual perversion took a central place in [Hitler's] life...a monstrous sexual perversion was the very core of his whole existence, the source of his mediumistic and clairvoyant powers, and the motivation behind every act through which he reaped a sadistic vengeance on humanity." (Ibid., p. 171). Eckart's final act was to initiate Hitler into "a monstrous sadistic magic ritual...after which he was sexually impotent. Hitler's impotency had a deep psychological foundation. He knew sexual fulfillment [only] through the extremes of sadism and masochism..."(Ravenscroft, p. 155, 173). This impotency delivered a final devastating blow to Hitler's psychological foundation, finally making him into the sadistic murderer that history knows. LOOKING FOR A SPIRITUAL SUPERMAN Members of the Thule society believed in "communication with a hierarchy of Supermen -- The Secret Chiefs of the Third Order". (Ibid) The quality which make these beings supermen was occultic spirituality. Further, they believed in Madame Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine, which teaches that certain superman had survived the destruction of Atlantis with their higher levels of consciousness intact. These supermen were Aryans. These two beliefs combined into one through the Thule Society and Hitler, culminating into the Nazi Death Camps. (Ibid, p. 166). When one group of people incorporate into their spiritual belief structure that they are inherently superior to another group of people, it is inevitable that genocide will be attempted as soon as possible. The Thule Society regularly held occultic seances, during which time they communicated with demons who were either masquerading as a dead person or who were appearing as personal guiding spirits. Dietrich Eckart, Alfred Rosenberg, and Adolf Hitler invoked the "spirit of Anti-Christ" into manifestation at the mediumistic seances of the Thule Group in Munich." (Ravenscroft, Spear of Destiny, p. 16  Eckert believed he had been told by his guiding spirit he would have the privilege of training the coming Great One, the Anti-Christ. From the beginning of their association, Eckert believed Hitler was Anti-Christ. Therefore, Eckert spared no occultic knowledge, ritual, or perversion in his attempt to fully equip Hitler for that role. Once the training was completed, Hitler believed he was "born anew with that super-personal strength and resolution he would need to fulfill the mandate ... ordained for him." (p. Ravenscroft, p. 93-4) Hitler literally equated this with the Christian doctrine of being spiritually born again.MORE SKULL AND BONES PARALLELS WITH HITLER'S THULE SOCIETY Now, let us look at the Skull and Bones rituals and beliefs. Little is firmly known about Skull and Bones, because their secrecy since they were established in 1833 is as complete as any society in the world. However, they possess all the requirements of a true secret society. 1. They were formed in secret and all their activities are carried out secretly. 2. Membership is by invitation only. Potential members are carefully screened as to suitability before they are invited to join. 3. The first night of the new member -- called an initiate -- is critically important. The initiate swears total obedience and loyalty to the secret society. This pledge is bound by serious oaths, some of which would be deadly if actually carried out, just as in Freemasonry. The first night is also critically important as it bounds the initiate to the society by means of ritual, oaths, and confessions. The Skull and Bones also incorporates sexual activities into their practices, just as did the Thule Society. "The [ritualistic] death of the initiate will be as frightful as the use of human skeletons and ritual psychology can make it..." (Esquire Magazine, "The Last Secrets of Skull and Bones", Ron Rosenbaum, p. 89). Sexual perversion is part of this ritual psychology. Ron Rosenbaum, author of the Esquire Magazine article, stated that on initiation night, called tap night, "...if one could climb to the tower of Weir Hall, the odd castle that overlooks the Bones courtyard, one could hear strange cries and moans coming from the bowels of the tomb as the 15 newly tapped members were put through what sounded like a harrowing ordeal..." (Esquire, September, 1976, p. 86). Further,[initiates] "lay naked in coffins and tell their deepest and darkest sexual secrets as part of their initiation." (Esquire, p. 85). These experiences in the coffins incorporated sexual pain and resulted in being born-again, into the Order, as we mentioned above. (Cooper, p.95) A powerful spiritual force charges through the participants of these ceremonies, transforming their lives dramatically. This type of ritual is classic Satanism. Anton LaVey states, in his book The Satanic Rituals: Companion To The Satanic Bible, (p. 57), "The ceremony of rebirth takes place in a large coffin..This is similar to the coffin symbolism that...is found in most lodge rituals." Make no mistake about it: Any organization which utilizes this coffin ritual to simulate rebirth is practicing Satanism, including Skull and Bones. The Skull and Bones believes that on the night of initiation, the initiate "dies to the world and be born again into the Order..." (Esquire Magazine, September, 1977, p. 89). Remember Hitler's belief that he had been born anew after his ritualistic initiation and training? This term is a common one in Satanism. During the 1988 Presidential Campaign, a TV reporter asked Vice-President Bush if he were a Christian. Bush initially stammered, but then said, "if you mean born again, then, yes, I am a Christian". Vice-President Bush answered this question in a very expert manner, simultaneously being true to his own occult foundation while misleading innocent, trusting Christians. As born-again Christians carry out the ritual of water baptism by immersion to demonstrate that they have died to the old way of life and have been reborn into a new life, Satanists have their coffin ritual to demonstrate the same life transformation. Rosenbaum continues his expose' of the born-again experience: "then it's into the coffin and off on a symbolic journey through the underworld to rebirth, which takes place in Room Number 322. There, the Order clothes the newborn knight in its own special garments, implying that, henceforth, he will tailor himself to the Order's mission." (Ibid., p. 89, 14 . This ritual description is as occultic as any I have read, and truly reveals the Skull and Bones as Satanic.ALLEGIANCE SHIFTS TO SATAN'S GOAL, NOT TO HIS COUNTRY One of the most sobering facets of this counterfeit born again initiation ritual is that the initiate swears to an allegiance to the Secret Order that transcends any allegiance later in life. New Age Christian author Bill Cooper captures this disturbing fact most succinctly, "...Members of the Order (Skull and Bones) take an oath that absolves them from any allegiance to any nation or king or government or constitution, and that includes the negating of any subsequent oath which they may be required to take. They swear allegiance only to the Order and its goal of a New World Order...according to the oath Bush took when he was initiated into Skull and Bones, his oath of office as President of the United States means nothing ." (Cooper, Behold A Pale Horse, p. 81-82). Since Bush's oath as President occurred after the Oath to Skull and Bones, it is not worth the paper on which it is printed. That kind of hold is powerful. Indeed, as Ron Rosenbaum began the research necessary to write his article for Esquire, he was warned about the power of Skull and Bones. "The power of Bones is incredible. They have their hands on every lever of power in the country." In his writings and his speeches, Hitler constantly invoked this title of his planned society once he had conquered the world. When President Bush invoked the term, New World Order, during his August 16, 1990, speech condemning the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, he was only the second major politician of the 20th Century to use that term. Hitler was the other.
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7/25/2007 4:30 am |
I cannot stress or emphasize enough that I am only talking about George Bush because he is the leader of the most powerful nation in world history. As can be seen by how many people once backed the war in Iraq or how many believed and still believe that Iraq was involved in the planning of 9/11, he is an incredibly influential person. He has also had a huge influence on many Christians and the "Religious Right." As such, I think it's important to be wary of statements and actions that come directly from him. I only mention the media and the internet as sources to remind people that this information is out there. It was Bush's own words about Muslims and Christians worshiping the same god. It was his statement that people of different religions all going to Heaven just on different paths. We are living in a time when Ecumenical, apostate movements are being subtly sneaked into church (see Rick Warren and the ecumenical "Purpose Driven" books). We are told in the Bible to be stewards of The Word. Again, I don't vote and will never vote so I am not even judging Bush's actions as legislator or things of that sort. Also, his membership in the occult group Skull and Bones should at least be somewhat worriesome. I mean his father, Pres. George H. Bush, received the name "Magog" once he was initiated. Isn't that a little troubling? The Brotherhood of Death, also known as Skull and Bones is an offshoot of The Thule Society in Germany. The Thule society members practiced Black Magick through rituals. Concentrate on that seemingly innocent word, rituals. Christians equate a ritual to a church service, thereby not understanding its occultic meaning. The New Age Dictionary defines ritual as a "ceremony to restore balance with nature...and bring back lost harmony and sacredness." Remember we are dealing with the Satanic world, where good is called evil and evil is called good. The sacredness mentioned here is a Satanic sacredness. Rituals literally are proscribed activities designed to allow demonic power to flow through the participants. These activities are proscribed chants, formula wordings, and carefully planned actions. The effect is devastatingly powerful, as demonic force pours through the participants, delivering a counterfeit spiritual experience which literally transforms their lives. Never skip over the word ritual, as it is a word of Satanic power. Thule members practiced a form of $exual Magic derived from a lodge of which Aleister Crowley was a member. Crowley was recognized as the foremost worshiper of Satan in the 19th Century. Members in the Brotherhood of death are selected or "tapped" each year and go to their headquarters, referred to as "The Tomb." They then go through a series of oaths and rituals, including laying in a coffin for a process of dying and being "born anew." These things are right in line with what Anton LaVey, the head of the Church of Satan, writes about his book "Rituals." And if we read our Bibles we should know that black magick is going to be the same art the antichrist practices. As it is written in Daniel 8:23 "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power...And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand.. For anyone not familiar, "the craft" and "dark sentences" refer to witchcraft and black magick. And no, this does not mean Bush is the antichrist. It just means he is in a group that practices the same black magick. Again, I just don't see why Bush, if he were a Christian, would not go out of his way to denounce this group and his membership in it. And coupling that his statements about salvation make it all very troubling.
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8/18/2007 8:24 am |
I cannot stress or emphasize enough that I am only talking about George Bush because he is the leader of the most powerful nation in world history. As can be seen by how many people once backed the war in Iraq or how many believed and still believe that Iraq was involved in the planning of 9/11, he is an incredibly influential person. He has also had a huge influence on many Christians and the "Religious Right." As such, I think it's important to be wary of statements and actions that come directly from him. I only mention the media and the internet as sources to remind people that this information is out there. It was Bush's own words about Muslims and Christians worshiping the same god. It was his statement that people of different religions all going to Heaven just on different paths. We are living in a time when Ecumenical, apostate movements are being subtly sneaked into church (see Rick Warren and the ecumenical "Purpose Driven" books). We are told in the Bible to be stewards of The Word. Again, I don't vote and will never vote so I am not even judging Bush's actions as legislator or things of that sort. Also, his membership in the occult group Skull and Bones should at least be somewhat worriesome. I mean his father, Pres. George H. Bush, received the name "Magog" once he was initiated. Isn't that a little troubling? The Brotherhood of Death, also known as Skull and Bones is an offshoot of The Thule Society in Germany. The Thule society members practiced Black Magick through rituals. Concentrate on that seemingly innocent word, rituals. Christians equate a ritual to a church service, thereby not understanding its occultic meaning. The New Age Dictionary defines ritual as a "ceremony to restore balance with nature...and bring back lost harmony and sacredness." Remember we are dealing with the Satanic world, where good is called evil and evil is called good. The sacredness mentioned here is a Satanic sacredness. Rituals literally are proscribed activities designed to allow demonic power to flow through the participants. These activities are proscribed chants, formula wordings, and carefully planned actions. The effect is devastatingly powerful, as demonic force pours through the participants, delivering a counterfeit spiritual experience which literally transforms their lives. Never skip over the word ritual, as it is a word of Satanic power. Thule members practiced a form of $exual Magic derived from a lodge of which Aleister Crowley was a member. Crowley was recognized as the foremost worshiper of Satan in the 19th Century. Members in the Brotherhood of death are selected or "tapped" each year and go to their headquarters, referred to as "The Tomb." They then go through a series of oaths and rituals, including laying in a coffin for a process of dying and being "born anew." These things are right in line with what Anton LaVey, the head of the Church of Satan, writes about his book "Rituals." And if we read our Bibles we should know that black magick is going to be the same art the antichrist practices. As it is written in Daniel 8:23 "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power...And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand.. For anyone not familiar, "the craft" and "dark sentences" refer to witchcraft and black magick. And no, this does not mean Bush is the antichrist. It just means he is in a group that practices the same black magick. Again, I just don't see why Bush, if he were a Christian, would not go out of his way to denounce this group and his membership in it. And coupling that his statements about salvation make it all very troubling. As eager as the secular media have been to publish any and all information that was the least bit critical of GWB, I find it curious that no reputable news organization has picked this up. Are they all in on the conspiracy? We are what we believe we are. C. S. Lewis
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8/18/2007 8:28 am |
It is just this sort of eye witness experience of GWB as a man that no one hears about since the media are so biased against him. That's why the whole skull and bones thing smacks of the typical conspiracy theory idiocy, if there was more credible evidence, you know the media would want use it to damage him. We are what we believe we are. C. S. Lewis
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8/26/2007 11:01 am |
I've done alot of indepth study on the "Illuminai" and "NWO" and know that not only President Bush is in this organisation of the skull and bones, but so was Tony Blair and many other politicians, hence them sticking together during the wars and so on.. I have NO doubt in my mind that Bush, Blair and anyone else are just mere christians by name only.. nothing else.. and I said before about the Royal family, how can you stand if your divided, Queen head of Church in England, Philip in the Freemasons.. stands to reason why the family is in amess..
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9/5/2007 3:25 pm |
Exactly Godschild too. And here is more information on the Bush family. People just are not not taught the true history of Western Civilization. The "Third Reich" is just what it says -- the third attempt to take over the World and destroy fundamentalist beliefs. And the Bush links to the Nazis tie in perfectly since they came out of "sister" secret societies. NEWS BRIEF: "How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power", The Guardian (London), September 25, 2004 "George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism. His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy." The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy." Such a charge of "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" is treason. However, every member of a secret society is guilty of treason, when you consult the dictionary definition of this highly explosive term: "Violation of allegiance toward one's sovereign country ..." (Tormont Webster's Illustrated Dictionary) By this definition, all elite secret society members are guilty of treason, for their goal is to overthrow every single sovereign nation on earth, replacing it with a global government headed by the Masonic Christ! For this reason, America would have done very well to disallow any member of a secret society to hold public political office, or be a highly ranking officer in a large corporation. As we unfold the details of Prescott Bush's traitorous dealings with Adolf Hitler, you will see how practical such a prohibition would have been, and how much death and suffering it would have prevented. Now, let us return to our featured article. "The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty." A lot of debate has centered on the Bush Family connection to Big Oil, with many people believing that this is the true basis for the family's wealth. However, the true start of the Bush wealth began with the enormous profits Prescott Bush realized as he directed his bank, the Union City Bank, to transfer extremely large sums of money into Hitler's pockets; of course, such transfers were accomplished through intermediaries, so that it would be difficult to prove a direct link. However, as you shall soon see, Prescott ultimately got his hand caught in the proverbial "cookie jar"! "... reveal that the firm he (Prescott Bush) worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s ... The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen's US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war." "Bush was also on the board of at least one of the companies that formed part of a multinational network of front companies to allow Thyssen to move assets around the world." This last statement is critical, for this ability of Fritz Thyssen to move assets around the various banks in the world literally provided Hitler the ability to build Germany into a mighty war machine that could begin World War II and murder the Jewish people -- a total conflagration which resulted in the deaths of 60 million people. Listen: "Spanning much of the globe, World War II resulted in the deaths of over 60 million people, of which about half were Soviet, making it the deadliest conflict in human history." (Wikipedia Encyclopedia) American deaths totaled approximately 405, 400 soldiers and 671,846 men wounded. Truly, the effects of this collaboration between the elite of Wall Street (Prescott Bush in particular) and Adolf Hitler is far more than a mere academic exercise; it turned literally into a disastrous "life and death" scenario! This next segment shows how Hitler spent some of Bush's bank's money. "Thyssen owned the largest steel and coal company in Germany and grew rich from Hitler's efforts to re-arm between the two world wars. One of the pillars in Thyssen's international corporate web, UBC, worked exclusively for, and was owned by, a Thyssen-controlled bank in the Netherlands. More tantalising are Bush's links to the Consolidated Silesian Steel Company (CSSC), based in mineral rich Silesia on the German-Polish border." (Ibid.) When an American banking company is helping to fund steel and coal companies, that is very serious treason, because those industries form the heart and soul of the entire war effort! Remember, the reason Union City Bank and Prescott Bush ran afoul of the American government is because they continued this activity into 1942, when America was officially at war with Germany. "... , the Harriman papers in the Library of Congress, show that Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder of a number of companies involved with Thyssen ... The second set of papers, which are in the National Archives, are contained in vesting order number 248 which records the seizure of the company assets. What these files show is that on October 20 1942 the alien property custodian seized the assets of the UBC, of which Prescott Bush was a director. Having gone through the books of the bank, further seizures were made against two affiliates, the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation. By November, the Silesian-American Company, another of Prescott Bush's ventures, had also been seized." (Ibid.) Once again, the very names of these companies reveal how completely Hitler used these American funds to build, and sustain, his mammoth war effort. But, this next segment provides even more damning information. "By the late 1930s, Brown Brothers Harriman, which claimed to be the world's largest private investment bank, and UBC had bought and shipped millions of dollars of gold, fuel, steel, coal and US treasury bonds to Germany, both feeding and financing Hitler's build-up to war ... Between 1931 and 1933 UBC bought more than $8m worth of gold, of which $3m was shipped abroad. According to documents seen by the Guardian, after UBC was set up it transferred $2m to BBH accounts ... (Ibid.)O This next segment verifies that Prescott Bush was a member of Skull & Bones. "Prescott Bush, a 6ft 4in charmer with a rich singing voice, was the founder of the Bush political dynasty and was once considered a potential presidential candidate himself. Like his son, George, and grandson, George W, he went to Yale where he was, again like his descendants, a member of the secretive and influential Skull and Bones..." Now, let us fast-forward to 1942: "The trouble started on July 30 1942 when the New York Herald-Tribune ran an article entitled "Hitler's Angel Has $3m in US Bank". UBC's huge gold purchases had raised suspicions that the bank was in fact a "secret nest egg" hidden in New York for Thyssen and other Nazi bigwigs. The Alien Property Commission (APC) launched an investigation." The American government agreed with these allegations, and seized "a string of assets controlled by BBH - including UBC and SAC - in the autumn of 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy act." "Homer Jones, the chief of the APC investigation and research division ... Jones recommended that the assets be liquidated for the benefit of the government, but instead UBC was maintained intact and eventually returned to the American shareholders after the war ... No further action was ever taken nor was the investigation continued, despite the fact UBC was caught red-handed operating a American shell company for the Thyssen family eight months after America had entered the war and that this was the bank that had partly financed Hitler's rise to power." However, Prescott Bush and his colleague in The Order hid their legal and financial tracks well enough to actually escape prosecution. However, Anthony Sutton, in his best-selling book, "America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull & Bones", clearly linked Prescott Bush and other elite members of The Order to Hitler's financial backers. In his section entitled, "Where Did The Nazis Get Their Funds For Revolution?", we read: "Still other books have emphasized the Fritz Thyssen financial connection to Hitler ... The records of the U.S. Control Council for Germany contain the post-war intelligence interviews with prominent Nazis. From these we have verification that the major conduit for funds to Hitler was Fritz Thyssen, and his Bank fur Handel and Schiff, previously called Heydt's Bank ... the names of the people and banks involved, i.e., Thyssen, Harriman, Guaranty Trust, von Heydt, Carter ...." (Page 166). "Thyssen was former head of the Vereinigte Stahlwerke, The German steel trust, financed by Dillon, Read (New York), and played a decisive role in the rise of Hitler to power by contributing liberally to the Nazi Party and by influencing his fellow industrialists to join him in support of the Fuehrer ...(Fritz) Thyssen set out along the same road as his father, aided by ample Wall Street loans to build German industry ... He alone is reported to have spent 3,000,000 Marks on the Nazis in the year, 1932." "The Union Banking Connection -- "The flow of funds went through Thyssen banks. The Bank fur Handel and Schiff cited as the conduit in the U.S. Intelligence Report was a subsidiary of the August Thyssen Bank, and founded in 1918 with H.J. Kouwenhoven and D.C. Schutte as managing partners. In brief, it was Thyssen's personal banking operation, and affiliated with the W.A. Harriman financial interests in New York. ... 'Hitler's Secret Backers' identifies the conduit from the U.S. as 'von Heydt' and von Heydt's Bank was the early name for Thyssen's Bank. Furthermore, the Thyssen front bank in Holland - i.e., the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V. -- controlled the Union Banking Corporation in New York. The Harriman's had a financial interest in, and E. Roland Harriman (The Order, 1917), Averell's brother was a director of this Union Banking Corporation. The Union Banking Corporation of New York City was a joint Thyssen - Harriman operation with the following directors in 1932: E. Roland Harriman (The Order 1917) H,J, Kouwenhoven (Nazi) Knight Woolley (The Order 1917) Cornelius Lievense Ellery Sedgewick James (The Order 1917) Johann Groninger (Nazi) J.L. Gunther Prescott Sheldon Bush (The Order 1917) "... when we merge the information in Project Dustbin with Shoup's Hitler's Secret Backers, we find the major overseas conduit for Nazi financing traces back to The Order ..." (Pages 169-170) Can you believe the influence of the the 1917 Skull & Bones class in this enormous American - Nazi banking operation which funded the build-up of Hitler's war machine both before and during the first part of the war! Notice that, in 1932, Prescott Bush was one of the Directors of Union City Banking, concentrating on funneling millions of dollars of support for the mass murderer, but fellow "Brotherhood of Death" Adept, Adolf Hitler. This spiritual connection between Hitler and Prescott Bush and with other members of The Order is what made it possible for this horrific funding to occur, which lead to the most deadly world war so far in history. The horror did not start in 1924, or 1932, or in 1938, when the funding was being carried out, but it exploded with the fury from the Abyss from 1939 - 1945. The effect of the financing was delayed, just as the Bible says occurs with sin. "... sin, when it is fully matured, brings forth death." (James 1:15b; Parallel Bible, KJV/Amplified Bible Commentary)
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