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Sweethoney2007 64F
6565 posts
12/17/2007 10:31 pm

...As humans we CAN'T and we NEVER WILL be able to save anyone, only God can!...

Amen, but he uses the foolishness of preaching and releases faith to the hearer to open the ears to hear and the heart to understand.


Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."


ICorinthians13 66F
617 posts
12/21/2007 12:00 am

I don't believe I will change anyone's mind if they have decided, and refuse to listen to a different point of view.
All I will say is that some people take things out of their place, and end up getting confused.
We have the right and ability to CHOOSE to FOLLOW God.
We do NOT have the ability to SAVE ourselves.
To turn toward God isn't the same thing as perfecting ourselves so we can live with God forever. We are created to desire Him. Christ died so we could be His.


Sweethoney2007 64F
6565 posts
12/21/2007 12:46 am

We have the right and ability to CHOOSE to FOLLOW God.

This is a works doctrine. The gospel is not anyones right but a gift of grace. If Jesus said that you did not choose him but rather he chose you they why do you not believe him? Turning towards God or repentance is a gift from God. It says so in the bible. We must adhere to the bible and not the doctrines of men.

Ephesians 2: 5-9

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God Not of works, lest any man should boast.

John 15:16

Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

2 Timothy 2: 25,26

In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure ( perhaps) will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth. And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will


Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."


ICorinthians13 66F
617 posts
12/22/2007 10:45 am

I pity you. Sad, sad. Calvin has a lot of foolishness to answer for.


Sweethoney2007 64F
6565 posts
12/23/2007 11:58 am

ICorinthians13

I have the same sentiments for someone who does not accept the bible as absolute truth.


Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."


TypeCWiley 58M

12/23/2007 3:01 pm

    Quoting Tropical_Man:
    I am not Armenian. Thats the stupid part about it.You know what? John Calvin wasnt even saved and you are listening to his bogus thoughts. He was a murderer of a man who exposed him. He believeed in Infant baptism brought salvation. He does not even have one place where he speaks of receiving Christ.

    Calvinism is a demonic cancer of eletism.It is not the doctrine of the rightly divided word.
AMEN, BROTHER. YOU HAVE EXPOUNDED VERY HEAVILY TO THE SCRIPTURES, AND TO THE HISTORY OF CALVINISM. UNFORTUNATELY, THE CALVINISTS CAN NOT SEE HOW DANGEROUS AND DEMONIC CALVINISM CAN REALLY BE. IT IS VERY DISTURBING THAT CALVINISTS THINKS THAT CALVINISM CAME FROM THE BIBLE!! IT CAME FROM HUMANISM AND IDEAS OF MAN WHICH WAS NOT BASED ON THE CONTEXT OF SCRIPTURE.

HOPEFULLY, ONE DAY THE CALVINISTS WILL WAKE UP AND SEE THE SIMPLICITY OF THE SCRIPTURES AND THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST! ...

JOHN 14:6 -- JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH, THE LIFE!


TypeCWiley 58M

12/23/2007 3:39 pm

YES, MAN DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHOOSE SALVATION DUE TO GOD'S SOVEREIGN RIGHT TO MAKE THAT DECISION FOR MANKIND TO HAVE A FREE-WILL.

CHECK OUT MY BLOG ONCE AGAIN ABOUT THIS. I KNOW YOU HAVE CHECKED ON THIS BEFORE DUE TO YOUR RESPONSE ABOUT CHOOSING SALVATION. AT ONE TIME, YOU DID AGREE THAT MANKIND HAS A FREE-WILL TO CHOOSE SALVATION. WHAT CHANGED YOUR MIND? WAS CALVINISM TO BLAME CONCERNING THIS? I KNOW IT WAS NOT THE BIBLE DUE TO CALVINISM CONTRADICTING THE CONTEXT OF SCRIPTURE. BUT, I KNOW YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE SINCE YOU ARE VERY STEEPED INTO CALVINISM.

I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT SINCE I WAS VERY STEEPED INTO MORMONISM AT ONE TIME. I WAS NOT ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MORMONISM AND THE CONTEXT OF SCRIPTURE. I USED TO BELIEVE THAT MORMONISM WAS DERIVED FROM THE SCRIPTURES!! (HOW FOOLISH INDEED!)

JOHN 14:6 -- JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH, THE LIFE!


Sweethoney2007 64F
6565 posts
12/24/2007 12:03 pm

TypeCWiley

To call reformed theology demonic is to say that the reformation was of the Devil...maybe we should have all stayed Catholics...how foolish! The humanist doctrine of man choosing his own salvation is what is really demonic. Man elevates himself as god in the same way as Lucifer did. Humanism denies the carnal wicked nature of man that needs to be born of God. Humanism replaces the gospel with easy believism.

Dave Hunt is only after money. His book was poorly researched and based on assumptions. Dave has no understanding of history or theology. He speaks neither Greek nor Hebrew and has only a BA in mathematics.


Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."


Sweethoney2007 64F
6565 posts
12/24/2007 12:05 pm

YES, MAN DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHOOSE SALVATION DUE TO GOD'S SOVEREIGN RIGHT TO MAKE THAT DECISION FOR MANKIND TO HAVE A FREE-WILL

Arminian Humanism denies the totally depraved (corrupt) sin nature of man. If you can chose your salvation then you have something apart from God in you that is good in order to do this. This is a different gospel and not the gospel preached at the reformation. The same perverted Gospel that will usher in anti christ and his false prophet. It will be humanistic and preach unity of faiths and will deceive many EXCEPT THE VERY ELECT OF GOD!!!!

Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."


Sweethoney2007 64F
6565 posts
12/24/2007 12:18 pm

Lucifer thought he could exercise free will and guess what happened to him? Tossed out of heaven on his fanny? This is what is going to happen to all the humanists who try to work their way to heaven....there will be no place found for themwhen they cry Lord,lord...

Isaiah 14

For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.

I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.

The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand

That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.

This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.

For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.

Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.

Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.

What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.


Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."


Sweethoney2007 64F
6565 posts
3/7/2008 11:46 am

If we could choose God we would not be sinners...the bible says that the carnal man (unregenerate) is in enmity with God.....that means that all sinners hate God. Carnal man is not subject to the will of God....(person ruled by another: somebody who is ruled by a king, queen, or other authority)....NEITHER INDEED CAN BE.....unable to .....those in the flesh cannot please God....IN ANY WAY....you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit.....if so be the Spiit of God dwell in you....(if one is regenerated by the Spirit....born of God,...born from above...new nature...new creature...NOT CHOICE...the Spirit falls where it listeth...WHERE HE DESIRES....)
If any man does not have the Spirit of God HE DOES NOT BELONG TO GOD....adopted( The parent chooses the child not the other way around).....God chooses....he regenerates by HIS WILL....man has volition but cannot choose salvation BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN THE CARNAL NATURES ABILITY TO DO SO....free will has to do with mans nature. Man CANNOT KEEP THE LAW AND THAT IS WHY GOD SET UP THE SACRIFICES OF ANIMALS.

Romans 8

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you
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Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."