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THE PROPHETS PROPHESY LIES IN MY NAME. I HAVE NOT SENT THEM! "Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you...They speak a vision of their own heart, Not from the mouth of the Lord. They continually say to those who despise Me, ‘The Lord has said, 'You shall have peace’; And to everyone who walks according to the dictates of his own heart, they say, 'No evil shall come upon you.’ ” Jeremiah 23:16-17 "I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran. I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in My counsel, and had caused My people to hear My words,Then they would have turned them from their evil way And from the evil of their doings." Jeremiah 23:21 "They have also healed the hurt of My people slightly, Saying, ‘Peace, peace!’ when there is no peace. Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? No! They were not at all ashamed; nor did they know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall; At the time I punish them, they shall be cast down,” says the Lord. Jeremiah 6:14-15 "Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!” says the Lord. " Jeremiah 23:1 "Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for so did their fathers to the false prophets." Luke 6:26 "The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 "Behold, I am against the prophets,” says the Lord, "who use their tongues and say, ‘He says.’ Behold, I am against those who prophesy false dreams,' says the Lord, “and... cause My people to err by their lies and by their recklessness. Yet I did not send them or command them...." Jeremiah 23:30-32 "Then I perceived that God had not sent him at all, but that he pronounced this prophecy against me because Tobiah and Sanballat had hired him. For this reason he was hired, that I should be afraid and act that way and sin, so that they might have cause for an evil report, that they might reproach me." Nehemiah 6:12-13 "For thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: Do not let your prophets and your diviners who are in your midst deceive you, nor listen to your dreams which you cause to be dreamed. For they prophesy falsely to you in My name; I have not sent them, says the Lord." Jeremiah 29:8-9 "...the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’– when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously..." Deuteronomy 18:20-22 "...‘therefore behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you and forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and will cast you out of My presence. And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.’ ” Jeremiah 23:39-40 "An astonishing and 'horrible thing has been committed in the land: The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule by their own power; And My people love to have it so. But what will you do in the end?" Jeremiah 5:30-31  Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images." |
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11/12/2008 11:09 am |
"SweetHoney" You absolutely AMAZE me sometimes. You OFTEN use the very scriptures that will talk about the commandments and the Law of God when YOU YOURSELF advocate tossing OUT the 10 Commandments. Ive noticed you do this ALOT. You say things about the LAW and THE COMMANDMENTS when you yourself DOWNGRADE AND DEGRADE anybody who advocates KEEPING the LAW. It is ridiculous. Honestly woman, I think something's wrong with you! Ive been trying not to say this but for heavens sake! Its CRAZY! It is is downright NUTTY. The Bible says a False Prophet is someone who tries to convince people they DONT NEED TO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS. That was what ALL the false prophets have always done. "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" Matthew 7:22,23. Iniquity means Lawlessness or sin. Let's put it simple... if you do not depart from sin, then one day Jesus will say to you "Depart from ME, I don't even know you!" John puts it another way, "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him" 1Jn:2:4. So, if you do not depart from sin and you refuse to keep God's Law, then you do not know Jesus. You don't know Jesus and Jesus will say "I don't know you". In short, a true prophet will plainly tell you that you must keep God's commandments, His LAW, and depart from sin... but a false prophet will try to convince the people that they do not have to keep the commandments, because it is Satan's object to draw you away from the path of safety and from the true God... the Devil wants to bring you back into the bondage of the law of sin and death. Ezek:18:4: "..the soul that sinneth, it shall die." Deuteronomy 13:1-8 1: If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2: And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3: Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4: Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5: And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee. 8: Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him False Christians, "Prophesy to us SMOOTH THINGS, DECEITS" Children who are LYING CHILDREN who do NOT want to hears about the Law of God. 1Jn:2:4: He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Read about these LYING CHILDREN who do NOT want the prophets who direct them to keep the commandments... Isaiah 30:1,2,8-11 1: Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin: That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh, and to trust in the shadow of Egypt! Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever: That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us. False prophets have ALWAYS been popular! People loved to hear the false message that "it doesn't matter what you do .. .you can be saved in your sins" way back during old testament times and they still love that same message today. SMOOTH WORDS are what many Christians want to hear. "We dont want to hear about the law of God" they say. 2 Timothy 4:3,4: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth. Ephesians 5:3-6 "But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience." Well so much for the false message heard so frequently from the lips of the false prophets and teachers who claim that "works have nothing to do with our salvation". Isaiah 20: To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Mt:5:19: Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Sorry but its absolutely ABSURD how you always do these quotations from the Bible about the Law and the 10 Commandments to prove your points when you yourself CONDEMN anyone who says you have to KEEP the 10 Commandments. Its STUPID. Jn:15:14: Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
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11/12/2008 11:35 am |
And since Ive already said what I said, I will add this as well. All these interpretations you have come up with of Revelation and the Antichrist... the truth is that Revelation makes it absolutely CLEAR that God's people will be "they that keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus" and it says Satan will make WAR with the people who keep God's commandments. Jesus also said in Revelation those who enter into heaven will be those who keep the commandments. So it doesnt take a genius to figure out that the entire thing revolves around keeping the commandments verses NOT keeping the commandments. YOU dont WANT to keep the commandments and you seem to HATE anyone who advocates keeping the commandments and so anything you say regarding Bible prophecy will be wrong. Yes you may hit some things right every now and again, because even a broke clock is right sometimes. But there isnt ANY WAY you can be able to interpret the book of Revelation and Daniel. Because you dont believe in keeping the commandments. Ive been trying not to say anything about it, even after all the garbage you have posted against Ellen White, FALSE things you have posted about her. But I just cant stomach the way you keep doing these Bible quotes about the commandments and the law AS IF you believe in DOING IT. Jn:15:14: Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
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Claudia_T Claudia my dear, I don;t toss out the ten commandments, rather I say that if the spirit of the living God dwells in my vessel, then the law is completed in Christ. I live and move and have my being in him. I do not need to obey the letter of the law for the nature of the law giver lives in me!!!!! There is a big difference between knowing about someone and actually having intimate relationship with some one. God's nature would not murder would he??? GET IT YET???  God warns the sinner...he shows them their sin. He shows them that without his life dwelling in them...they are lost and without hope in the world....in doing this, some will be called by his Spirit of the Lord out of the world. Some will continue in their sin and still be judged for that sin. Those who claim that they belong to God and prophesy falsely in his name will be condemned. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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Also those who continue to oppose God's word will also be condemned. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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11/12/2008 12:22 pm |
I am going to say something to you that deserves saying. After all, you have beeb RELENTLESS in your putting up post after post about Ellen White, posts that were UNTRUE. and so Im going to say this to you, HOW CAN YOU, Sweethoney, teach ANYBODY about Bible Prophecy when you would have it to where its now THE END OF THE WORLD... as in "the heavens and earth have already passed away" ??? I mean, talk about CONFUSION! There are many who claim that by the death of Christ the law was abrogated; but in this they contradict Christ's own words, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. . . . Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law." Matthew 5:17, 18. You would tell us that the Law of God was deleted. Thus you are saying heaven and earth have already passed away. Talk about getting your "times" mixed up! THEN you are going to mix up the entire thing even further and LEAVE OUT the 10 commandments from the Prophecies of Daniel and Revelation when it is OBVIOUS even to a child that the entire thing CENTRALIZES around the commandments. Rv:12:17: And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rv:14:12: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Rv:22:14: Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. I mean, I can understand some misunderstandings about prophecy but how can someone miss something SO OBVIOUS? it really annoys me and Ive tried to keep silent about it all but I HATE the way that so many will be misled by you and God is going to pour out the PLAGUES... horrible plagues on those who receive the Mark of the Beast. OBVIOUSLY those who DO NOT receive the plagues will be "they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus"... Rev 14:12: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. These people will SUFFER and be lost forever. Its not a game, its serious business. I dont know though, I suppose they will deserve to be deceived. Thessalonians says that God would send them a strong delusion because they didnt receive a love of the truth and loved unrighteousness instead. The "man of lawlessness" the man of SIN... would deceive them. Its all just so sad, I honestly cannot understand how people can be SO BLIND. Well anyway I guess I just have gotten frustrated and wanted to "vent". I feel sorry for you, there is the dragon the beast and the false prophet. The false prophet is apostate protestantism who is lending her influence to the beast in downgrading God's commandments. All will be thrown into the lake of fire. The Bible is so clear and bible prophecy is a SYSTEM. If you take the Bible just as it reads, it explains itself. People have messed up ideas about "the Rapture" and about "the Millenium"... its just awful. It truly is. And they think they have a naturally immortal soul... they think the dead are up there in heaven. when the Bible clearly teaches they are asleep in their graves awaiting the resurrection. THAT is Babylon! Mystery Babylon... the Mother of all harlots... passing the win cup around of false doctrines... The Roman Catholic Church has been responsible for SO MANY false doctrines and Protestantism has swallowed it whole. People dont even stop to study and think about what they believe and why they believe it. BY THE WAY... here's the "Mother of all harlots" Father James A. O'Brien: "That observance [of Sunday instead of Saturday] remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away."1 1The Faith of Millions (Huntington, IN: Our Sunday Visitor, Inc., 1974), p. 401. Jn:15:14: Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
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SDA end time words are not comming to pass as they were proclaimed by EG White, a proven false prophet. Yes, the beast is the world system, and the revived Roman Empire of the last days. (EC) but it is also a person...antchrist... THAT MAN OF SIN!!!! THE WHORE WHO RIDES THE BEAST IS THE END TIME FALSE CHURCH, ECUMERICAL, WHICH INCLUDES CATHOLISISM. WHICH WILL BE HEADED UP BY THE FALSE PROPHET(MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE POPE) THE NATION bABYLON IS aMERICA THE REVIVED bABYLONIAN END TIME NATION AND THE CITY nEW yORK WILL BE DESTROYED BY FIRE. THE TEST IS TO SEE IF IT COMES TO PASS, NOW ISNT IT? Ezk. 33:1-9 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman: If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand. So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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It looks like theological war is going on here. Words like "honestly woman,.. something is wrong with you. I have been trying not to say this,..its crazy. Its stupid" is not a language we should expect from 2matured christians. Things we agree on, we agree. Things we disagree, we disagree amicably and allow the Holy Spirit to teach us. OT&NT makes the whole Bible. The OT is intended to lead the Jews and Gentiles to Christ.The promise of Salvation through Abraham's 'seed' (Christ) was given 430years earlier before the law(Gal 3:15-1  . Christ is the end of the law(Rm 10:4).The law was intended to lead the Jews and Gentiles to Christ(Rm 4:14-16, Heb 6:13-20). Anyone who receives Christ automatically fulfills the law. Anyone whom the Spirit of Christ operates in his/her life would definitely hate/reject sin and fulfill the 10-Commandments (no other god, love thy neighbor like yourself, no adultery/fornication, no stealing, no false witness.........). Anyone who is trying to fulfill the law without Christ is too far away from God.
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Merlinhawk You certainly are entitled to your opinion. However, it is not my opinion or the opinion of many bible scholars, only some. The Vatican is not a major sea port nor is it a city of trade and commerce, not a city with military might, or a world political leader. The vatican is only a religious institution and does not fit with modern events. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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11/14/2008 1:07 am |
"It looks like theological war is going on here. Words like "honestly woman,.. something is wrong with you. I have been trying not to say this,..its crazy. Its stupid" is not a language we should expect from 2matured christians. Things we agree on, we agree. Things we disagree, we disagree amicably and allow the Holy Spirit to teach us. OT&NT makes the whole Bible. The OT is intended to lead the Jews and Gentiles to Christ.The promise of Salvation through Abraham's 'seed' (Christ) was given 430years earlier before the law(Gal 3:15-1. Christ is the end of the law(Rm 10:4).The law was intended to lead the Jews and Gentiles to Christ(Rm 4:14-16, Heb 6:13-20). Anyone who receives Christ automatically fulfills the law. Anyone whom the Spirit of Christ operates in his/her life would definitely hate/reject sin and fulfill the 10-Commandments (no other god, love thy neighbor like yourself, no adultery/fornication, no stealing, no false witness.........). Anyone who is trying to fulfill the law without Christ is too far away from God." Easy to say if you havent been here all along. and OKAY maybe Im immature. but dont you mean 9 commandments? The commandments are NOT "automatically fulfilled" in us. each day you have choices and are faced with temptations. YOU CHOOSE whether to submit your will to God and keep His Law throughout the day. God doesnt force you automatically to do it. and you dont understand what it means when the Bible says Christ is the end of the Law. this is the end purpose of the law: Rom:8:4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. YOU CHOOSE all day whether to listen to the Spirit and deny the flesh. God doesnt force you or "automatically" do this for you. You yield to sin, transgression of the law, God doesnt do it, Satan doesnt do it... YOU do. Or else you yield to the Spirit and keep the Law. Rom:6:13: Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. Rom:6:16: Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? Rom:6:19: I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. CARNAL MINDEDNESS IS DEATH... Rom:8:6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Rom:8  : Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.and again, its not 9 commandments, its 10, the 7th day Sabbath being the very centrality of the Law... as God is the Creator. NEW AGERS say they believe in "loving their neighbor".. but its the Sabbath that identifies which God you serve. Ezek:20:20: And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God. and its the 7th day Sabbath, showing God as CREATOR who rested the 7th day from His works as we are to do as well, that shows we realize it is GOD ALONE who sanctifies us and make us holy and not we ourselves: Ezek:20:12: Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. Ti:3:5: Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost Col:3:10: And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him Jn:15:14: Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
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11/14/2008 1:08 am |
and by the way WHO SAID anything about trying to fulfil the Law of God WITHOUT CHRIST? I didnt hear or see anyone saying that. did you? Jn:15:14: Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
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11/14/2008 1:10 am |
and this the SweetHoney said about SDA end time prophecies of Ellen White not coming to pass... is just not true. It is a distortion of the things that actually happened. Jn:15:14: Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
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11/14/2008 1:12 am |
only if I get to do one of those glove things like in the movies where I get to slap Kim with the glove and challenge her to a duel.. water guns are ok after that. and it must be purified water. Jn:15:14: Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
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11/14/2008 1:48 am |
I dont know what Canadian Water might be like... it could possibly have Moose stuff in it Jn:15:14: Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
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If God's word is not in my mouth then I will be judged for it BUT IF IT IS WOE TO THOSE WHO OPPOSE IT!!! Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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Claudia, I don't based my life on law keeping. I have a relationship with the Lord. I based my life on that. I don't go around worrying about obeying God. I just live in his Spirit and he takes care of all the particulars. As for EG White, the documented material is true. SDA cover it up. You can choose to trust in her but I will not!!!!! Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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Well, think what you will but SDA is a cult and preaches heresy. Is under the law and their eschatology is off. For all your studying maybe you may want to take up current events. SDA end times is not coming to pass. The mark of the beast is not whether one keeps the Sabbath or not but rather is a literal mark of commerce. There will be a cashless society and you will have to take a mark on your hand or forehead to prove your identity. This is a fact and is already in the process of being used. So as you can see SDA are wrong. Sabboth is JESUS CHRIST....he is the rest God's elect enter into and not a literal day. That is old testament law and all under that law are not in grace and are in works which nullifies grace and means one is not saved but is headed for a Christ less eternity. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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MerlinHawk, have you ever been to Rome? I have. Heaps of Ruins. Literal Rome has already been judged. The only power the Roman church has is minimal and is over the souls of poor ignorant Catholics! Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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Of course Catholicism is a part of the whore system but Rome is not the nation Babylon. These are two different things. The Babylonian empire was not the Roman empire. The bible differentiates between the two. New babylon the nation is America. no other place on earth even comes close to fitting the description. I write all my own poetry and prose by the Spirit of God in me. I don't feel the need to broad cast that but since you asked. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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God's word condemns the liar and deciever. Take it up with him. Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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My shinning example to others is to preach the true unadulterated word of God!!! Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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11/23/2008 8:00 pm |
Well, I just happened to wander into this blog. Wow, you mean there are other Christians with passion left who are willing to stand up for what they believe? Actually, (I read all of them) In my humble opinion there is a thread of truth that winds it's way through most of what is being talked about. Sweethoney is right in one sense that when we have the spirit of God and we operate in the spirit we are above the law. Claudia is also right in that Jesus said He didn't come to destroy the law and the prophets but to fulfill it. And another place, if you say you love me and keep not my commandments the truth is not in you and you are a liar. Pretty strong words from Jesus Himself, kind of hard to miss the point there. It isn't just grace but action/obedience that proves our faith. As far as the prophecy debate, I agree with sweethoney there are many (liberal so called Christians) ecumenical types who have watered down the scriptures allowing for evolution, homosexuality and abortion etc. They have lost their way, are wolves among the sheep false prophets, preachers who preach a social gospel, watchmen not warning the people tickling our ears instead, saying you can have peace with God by doing nothing or eliminating the "problem" verses for their decadent lifestyle by ignoring them or saying the bible contains the word of God but isn't "the word of God... As far as prophecy is concerned I think we are the United Nations. People come here from every nation on earth. We are global. We attacked Iraq under UN sanction which we facilitated... We have taught for several generations evolution which is foundational anti christ teaching, because John 1:1 teaches Jesus is the creator. Some Christians I've been debating on Crossleft try and accommodate them. Some false prophets are media producers, who are the most effective preachers in the world. While "real" preachers have gone silent they have unrestricted access and appeal to the young and the masses in general. We have had a social revolution in America since WWII, the Christians lost and know one even knows about it. Divorce among Christians is higher than the non Christians. According to Barna we sin to the same degree as non Christians. We are theoretical Christians, thinking that if we have the right theory we're good. Wrong, it needs to be put into practice to prove it's real. We have become a sociopathic death culture, okay with killing babies (now 48 million) we have shed 6 million gallons of baby blood. Several hundred more gallons every day. We have lost our conscience, the soul of America. We think it is all about social programs. We don't care about children being confused with evolution and secular sex ed in the schools where they are (away from their parents and to intellectually immature to defend their families faith and values)corrupted. They grow up to be voters. This is getting to long already,sorry. I have read in the past a lot of what Ellen White wrote. I never came across anything that contradicted bible doctrine. As far as prophecy goes time will tell who is right. We just need to be ready and found being faithful to the end.
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Honorcode1 Thanks for your comment. Yes Jesus did fulfill the law so the law is now complete in him. Those who are born of God are justified from all things which they could not be justified by the law of moses...circumcision avails nothing BUT ONLY A NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST!!! AWAKE THOU THAT SLEEPETH AND CHRIST SHALL GIVE THEE LIGHT Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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12/10/2008 2:37 pm |
Actually I have been "peeking" in the last day or two and there are several quite interesting blogs that have turned up since I "left". {Wouldn't you just credit it???  }I've read this one with some interest. I agree with Merlinhawk that we are going to have a One World Government based in the EU {bound together by the Treaty of Rome} and a One World Religion which will very likely be led by the "Church" of Rome. As for "Mystery Babylon", I see that as the global economic system which consists of much more than just America. Having said all that I would also say that trying to be specific with prophecy is a dangerous business and we might ALL be wrong about the details. Let's all keep our eyes open but get on with preaching the gospel and spreading the Word. Peter  {By the way I'm not "back", just 'poking my bugle in' }"Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth" 2 Timothy 2 v 15
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Noah235 IF JESUS THOUGHT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO KNOW ABOUT BY REVEALING END TIMES TO JOHN, DANIEL ETC. THEN SO SHOULD WE FIND IT IMPORTANT.. TO UNDERMINE REVELATIONS AND END TIME PROPHECY AS NOT WORTHY OF ATTENTION IS VERY ARROGANT NOT TO MENTION IGNORANT. IT IS A PART OF THE GOSPEL!!!!!! Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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There are in reality THREE APPEARANCES OF BABYLON on earth from the flood: 1. Nimrod's Babylon. 2. Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon. 3. Modern Babylon. When God gave the prophets the visions of Babylon, they referred to an entity that RISES, FALLS, RISES AND FALLS, AND FINALLY RISES FOR THE LAST TIME AT THE END OF THE AGE, DURING THE LAST GENERATION OF ISRAEL. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE VISIONS AND PROPHECIES CULMINATE IN A LAST DAY GREAT NATIONAL ENTITY AND WITHIN THAT NATION IS A CITY "MYSTERY BABYLON" Because the latter day BABYLON plays such a key role in ANTICHRIST ACTIVITY upon earth in the LAST DAYS, the vast majority of prophecies from the Old Testament ARE AGAINST THIS LATTER DAY NATION. It is that simple!! Because Babylon is a SINGULAR NATION that TURNS UPON ITS HERITAGE OF GOD, AND DESTROYS IT TO BECOME THE ANTICHRIST POWER OF THE END TIMES, it is of vital importance that we PROPERLY IDENTIFY WHO THIS NATION IS. One of the crucial prophecies against Babylon the Nation is found in Jeremiah 50. This verse of Scripture is SO STRICT in application that only two nations in the whole world fit it, and they fit WITHIN A VERY NARROW TIME FRAME, and that time frame was given to us by Jesus Himself in the Parable of the Fig Tree. This time parameter is so strict that these nations must fulfill every parameter within an 8o year span! Stop to think about this; that TWO NATIONS must rise upon the earth, in a proper sequence, and they both must be present during an 80 year time span, do certain things, then it becomes a strict parameter. The events of nation take place over many years, and most nations are quite old!! "Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: BEHOLD, THE HINDERMOST OF THE NATIONS shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert."(Jeremiah 50:12) This is one of the most exacting parameters God gives us to identify this last great NATIONAL ENTITY called Babylon the Great. First, she must have a MOTHER THAT BORE HER. Secondly, this mother obviously MUST PRECEDE HER, LIVE DURING HER ENTIRE LIFE, AND WATCH HER BURN, AND SURVIVE HER DURING THE LAST PART OF THE TRIBULATION. That gives us several clues. First, the mother could not be a close neighbor, for she too would burn with Babylon. Secondly, we are now speaking of TWO NATIONS, that MUST LIVE DURING THE SAME TIME PERIOD. How easy is that to accomplish? The mother MUST BE the prime mover in the establishment of Babylon. Babylon then, must be a direct offspring. The people who first established this nation will be from this "mother country". Third, this relationship must remain THROUGHOUT the life of Babylon, with the "mother" being very close to Babylon itself in terms of CONTROL AND FUNCTION. These parameters are crucial, and very strict. As was asked previously, who is the mother of Iraq? Who is the mother of the EC, which is DISQUALIFIED ANYWAY BECAUSE THE EC IS AN ASSEMBLY OF NATIONS, not ONE national entity from its birth!? Who is the mother of Rome, which is a CITY, and NOT A LARGE NATIONAL ENTITY. Who is the mother of Russia? Who is the mother of Israel or Jerusalem? These nations or cities have all been advanced at one time or another as being "Babylon". The second aspect is that Babylon THE NATION is referred to as the HINDERMOST OF THE NATIONS. Jeremiah is looking down the tunnel of time, and is saying that BABYLON will be the LAST AND THE GREATEST NATION TO RISE IN THIS AGE. Of the great nations of the world today, who is the youngest? Everyone knows that America is THE YOUNGEST OF THE POWERFUL NATIONS, and is also THE GREATEST NATION TO EVER GRACE PLANET EARTH. It is also the HINDERMOST in the perspective of THE LAST RISE OF BABYLON!! Does Rome fulfill this parameter? Does Iraq? Russia? Does the EC, which is disqualified because it is an ALLIANCE OF NATIONS? None of them do; they do not come close!! Why cannot people simply accept what God says? There are only TWO NATIONS IN THE WORLD that fulfill this parameter! ONLY TWO!! And they fit it like a GLOVE. This one verse ALONE would identify who Babylon is!! ENGLAND AND AMERICA are the ONLY NATIONS IN THE WORLD TO FULFILL THIS PROPHECY TO THE EXACT LETTER. AMERICAN'S want motherhood and apple pie. They want Thanksgiving and Christmas. THEY WANT TO LIVE IN THEIR DELUSIONS. It is a SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS, because they do not WANT the real truth!! It is too painful for them to accept. The vast majority, however, simply HAVE NOT STUDIED IT OUT, and because they have not, SIMPLY DO NOT REALIZE AMERICA'S IDENTITY! LIGHTGATE MIN Edit Post Hide Post 1 comment BABYLON THE GREAT IS THE NATION AMERICA (PART #2) Nov 10, 2008 6:42 pm 154 Views The context is plain and simple. BABYLON THE GREAT IS AN END TIME NATION, THAT PLAYS A MAJOR ROLE IN END TIME EVENTS, A SINGULAR ENTITY. To claim otherwise is to UTTERLY CONTRADICT GOD. It is to spit in His face and call him a liar. The refusal to accept the fact that BABYLON THE GREAT IS A NATION AMONG THE NATIONS is one of the PRIMARY REASONS why many modern day prophetic scholars cannot understand WORLD EVENTS, as they relate to literal prophecy. They do not understand who America is, nor WHAT SHE WILL DO. They reject with mocking and vehemence all suggestions that America is BABYLON THE GREAT. They are thus DECEIVED, AND ARE DECEIVING OTHERS. The EC is in reality the formation of BIOREGION TWO of the UNITED NATIONS TEN WORLD REGIONS. It too will pay a major role in the future. So these folks are always looking at some other place, while ALL OF IT IS HAPPENING RIGHT UNDER THEIR NOSE. The United Nations is rising up right in front of them, the American government is becoming more draconian and dictatorial, more and more openly antichrist, and is now involved in the actual extermination of Christians, The nation is engulfed in every antichrist religion in the world, and the false prophets are TOTALLY BLIND AS TO WHY! However, by their refusal to accept the Word of God they fulfill the prophecies against the shepherds of Babylon. This nation, this SINGULAR ENTITY has certain key CHARACTERISTICS that identify her. In the next issue we will review these PARAMETERS to prove that AMERICA, AND AMERICA ONLY MUST BE, AND IS, BABYLON THE GREAT. There is no other nation upon earth that fulfills the parameters listed for BABYLON THE GREAT, NOT ONE, NOT ANYWHERE! AMERICA ALONE DOES. It is not IRAQ; IT IS NOT ROME; IT IS NOT THE EC. IT IS AMERICA. When you finally begin to grasp that one central key fact, then THE REST OF THE PROPHETIC PICTURE WILL COME INTO CLEAR FOCUS, and you will know WHY AMERICA IS DOING WHAT SHE IS DOING ALL OVER THE WORLD. You will know why the United Nations is located in New York City. You will understand WHY the nations of the world ALL COME TO BABYLON AMERICA AT THE GREAT TOWER OF BABEL ON THE HUDSON. You will know why America is becoming the headquarters for every anti-God, anti-Christ religion in the world, for it is the CENTRAL SEAT OF BAAL, another name for SATAN/LUCIFER. America is the center of ALL OCCULT ACTIVITY. It falls to the occult. It falls to MYSTERY, and when it does, IT TURNS UPON ITS HERITAGE WITH A VENGENCE and destroys the people of God, and it will use TERRORISM as it primary weapon, claiming that FUNDAMENTALISTS ARE CAPABLE OF, OR CARRYING OUR "ACTS OF TERRORISM". The media will hype it. Don't believe it? Stay around for a few short months or years - and you will watch it happen in front of your eyes. THERE WILL BE A KILLING FIELDS OF AMERICA. God decreed it. It will happen. You will also understand WHY America was born AS A GODLY, CHRIST FEARING NATION, and why she turns and utterly destroys her heritage and rises up as the LEADING CHRIST HATING NATION IN THE WORLD. It has happened exactly as Jeremiah said it would. You will know why NEW YORK'S WALL STREET is the financial capitol of the world, and why the RICH MEN OF THE EARTH all have offices in THE GREAT CITY BABYLON. You will know why the WORLD TRADE CENTER sits in New York City. You will understand why the New York Stock Exchange is the most important exchange in the world. If Wall Street falls, the WHOLE WORLD FALLS WITH IT! Youl will know why CNN's MONEYLINE with LOU DOBBS comes on the air with the statment "FROM FINANCIAL CAPITAL OF THE WORLD", located in NEW YORK CITY, BABYLON THE GREAT CITY, home of THE UNITED NATIONS. You will know why New York City is the largest SEAPORT CITY in the Western Hemisphere, and why America is surrounded by warm water seaports and trades by the sea with every nation upon earth. You will see why God said she "sits upon many waters", that is, SHE IS SURROUNDED BY LARGE BODIES OF WATER each with a different name. Thus the Atlantic, the Pacific, the Gulf of Mexico, The Arctic, the Great Lakes, the mighty Mississippi. You will see what God meant when he said that Babylon the Great would be a nation formed out of every tribe and tongue on earth, who slowly migrated to ONE NATION and formed THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. That is why America has "E PLURIBUS UNUM" as it's motto! It was foretold by God! You will understand why the U.S. Military is being used by the United Nations, for God said Babylon would have the greatest military machine the world ever knew or ever would know, but in the end, because she rejected Christ, it would fail her. YOU WILL KNOW WHY THE AMERICAN MILITARY IS BEING DOWNSIZED AND IT'S LEADERS ARE CLAIMING THERE IS NO MAJOR THREAT - FOR GOD SAID THEY WOULD DO EXACTLY THAT. You will know why America is the central nation involved in GLOBALISM, and is the chief instigator of the NEW WORLD ORDER, and why it is America that issued State Department Document 7277. You will know why American Corporations and their leaders have spanned the globe, for they are the MIGHTY MERCHANTS OF BABYLON THE GREAT, whom God calls THE GREAT MEN OF THE EARTH. You will understand why AMERICA WILL BE, AND HAS TO BE THE KEY ANTICHRIST NATION OF THE END TIMES. It is the KING OF BABYLON OF THE NATION BABYLON, that is the LUCIFER. He will go forth in anger and RULE THE WORLD FROM NEW YORK CITY, called the GOLDEN CITY, right at the UNITED NATIONS. (Isaiah 14:4-6) You will understand why the United Nations will be granted the right to TAX, and why it will destroy the nations through that ability! IT IS COMING, AND COMING FAST. You will know all of this because GOD TOLD US via his prophets, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Habakkuk, and a host of others that the NATION, BABYLON THE GREAT, would be all of this and much more. Jesus Christ said that as it was in the days of Noah, so would it be again. Many Christians do not realize that Noah lived 350 years AFTER the flood. He saw Nimrod's BABYLONIA (The nation). He saw the MIGHTY CITY BABYLON that sat within the boundaries of the nation Babylonia. He saw the TOWER OF BABEL, that was beside the GREAT CITY. AS IT WAS, SO IT SHALL BE AGAIN. There will be a NATION, at the time of the end, that is A TYPE of ancient BABYLONIA, an offspring, a look alike DAUGTER. Within this New Babylonia will be a large city BY A RIVER. This large city BY A RIVER will reflect the wealth and power of the nation. Within the area of THE GREAT CITY BY A RIVER will be a TOWER OF BABEL, which represents A GLOBAL GOVERNMENT, A GLOBAL ECONOMY, AND A GLOBAL RELIGION. This NATION AND CITY are referred to as a LADY, a QUEEN, because she reflects the ancient religion of Old Babylon, which included a QUEEN OF HEAVEN. Thus a symbol of some sort WILL SIT BY THE SHORES OF BABYLON that represents THIS LADY, THIS QUEEN. Is it coincidence that THE STATUE OF LIBERTY, A LADY, sits in NEW YORK HARBOR, NOT FAR FROM THE UNITED NATIONS? OR THAT THOSE INVOLVED WITH THIS STATUE HOLD TO A RELIGION IDENTICAL TO NIMROD, THE FIRST ANTICHRIST? WAKE UP, O YE CHRISTIANS, FOR THE NIGHT IS FAR SPENT!! It is mere coincidence that America reflects in every way ancient Babylonia? From her laws to her three class system, she mimics ancient Babylon. Is it mere coincidence that within the confines of America's boundaries lies a CITY ON A RIVER? That is known as BABYLON ON THE HUDSON? Is it coincidence that within that City, is a glass tower that sits BY THE RIVER, and that tower represents man's attempt to rule the world without God? Is it coincidence that the United Nation's religion is identical to ANCIENT NIMROD? That the UN stands for GLOBAL GOVERNMENT, and is pushing hard for a one world economy, and wants the world to embrace her RELIGION? You have a choice to make. You can either believe God or the false prophets of Babylon. You can either accept the truth of Scripture, or the apostasy of the false shepherds. You can either save your soul, and count it worthy, or you can hate your soul, and cast your lot with the Babylonian false shepherds of eternal ruin. It will become very clear to you why AMERICA will produce ANTICHRIST. He will rise up right in front of the noses of the apostate Christians who will embrace Him with their whole heart, for they REJECTED TRUTH, REJECTED GOD, AND REJECTED CHRIST. It will be the deception of all deceptions. YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT DECEPTION! "COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE, THAT YE NOT BE PARTAKERS OF HER PLAGUES (The lightgate min) Edit Post Hide Post 1 comment BABYLON THE GREAT IS THE NATION AMERICA (Part #1) Nov 10, 2008 6:21 pm 198 Views When we say Babylon is a nation, we mean to say that she is A LAWFUL NATION, A NATION WITH SPECIFIC BOUNDARIES, A NATION RECOGNIZED IN INTERNATIONAL LAW, A NATION CAPABLE OF ENTERING INTO TREATIES, A NATION WITH A CENTRAL GOVERNMENT, AND A NATION RECOGNIZED BY THE NATIONS OF THE EARTH. That is a nation with a SPECIFIC LAND MASS, DEFINED BOUNDARIES BY LAW, A NATION WITH A PEOPLE THAT GO BY A SPECIFIC NAME, A NATION WITH URBAN AREAS, CITIES, TOWNS AND RURAL DISTRICTS, FARMS, LAKES, FORESTS, ETC. That is what we mean by a nation, and that is what GOD MEANS BY A NATION. Babylon is referred to in the Scriptures as a nation both directly and indirectly. Often the term KINGDOM and NATION are used interchangeably. We will first of all examine those areas in the Old Testament prophecies that identify BABYLON THE GREAT as a nation, as a SINGULAR ENTITY, not some world wide system. Jeremiah 50:12 is a good place to start: "Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: BEHOLD, THE HINDER-MOST OF THE NATIONS shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert." This is a direct reference to BABYLON THE GREAT, who is also called THE DAUGHTER OF BABYLON. Jeremiah calls her directly THE HINDERMOST OF THE NATIONS. You view this his perspective, as he looks down the tunnel of time - the HINDERMOST from him would be the LAST BABYLON. That means the LAST BABYLON TO RISE BEFORE THE END. The last and the YOUNGEST OF ALL THE GREAT NATIONS AT THE END TIME. In comparison with the other nations of the world, at the time of the end, SHE WILL BE THE YOUNGEST AND ALSO THE MOST POWERFUL NATION AMONG THE GREAT NATIONS. America fits that description perfectly. She is the YOUNGEST and yet the most powerful NATION among the NATIONS of the world. We know for a fact that this must refer to a limited LAND MASS AREA WITH SPECIFIC BOUNDARIES, for THE WHOLE WORLD IS NOT DESTROYED, but BABYLON THE NATION IS DESTROYED. This latter day Babylon has a mother, which is also a NATION. This mother was responsible for "birthing" this mighty Babylon of the end times. If Iraq is Babylon as some try to claim, WHO IS THE MOTHER OF IRAQ? If you read this verse carefully, it says that the MOTHER NATION PRECEDED BABYLON, GAVE BIRTH TO HER, WATCHES HER RISE TO FULL POWER, AND WATCHES HER DIE IN FIRE. Again, WHO IS THE MOTHER OF IRAQ? Iraq has none. Who is the mother of Rome, which is often presented as BABYLON? Rome is not a nation, but a city. Further, SHE HAS NO MOTHER. Who is the mother of the EC, which is often presented as BABYLON, THE REVIVED ROMAN EMPIRE? In point of fact, SHE WILL HAVE NO MOTHER, and further, BABYLON THE GREAT is always shown as a SINGLE NATION FROM HER BIRTH TO HER RISE TO FULL POWER AND GLORY. The EC does not qualify. Each parameter must be fulfilled. You CANNOT PICK AND CHOSE that which you wish to present to prove your case. However, AMERICA has a mother. This mother was DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR HER BIRTH. That mother PRECEDED HER. England has been around awhile. England gave birth to America, and England is still around, and ENGLAND WILL WATCH AMERICA BURN. England is further confirmed as the mother of BABYLON THE GREAT by Daniel the Prophet in Daniel 7:4 (THE LION). Ezekiel also mentions it in Ezekiel 38/39 as "TARSHISH", who gives birth to "young cubs". Tarshish is a cryptic reference to ENGLAND and her young cubs are America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. Daniel refers to her as a LION. The national symbol of England is A LION. The eagle wings on top the lion IS AMERICA, HER DAUGHTER. America's national symbol is THE EAGLE WITH OUTSTRETCHED WINGS. BABYLON THE GREAT IS A NATION. We would not need any other reference to prove it, because ONE DIRECT REFERENCE IS ENOUGH! There are many more. Habakkuk is a key prophet in identification of BABYLON THE GREAT. He is usually ignored by prophecy "experts". "For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans (New Babylon), THAT BITTER AND HASTY NATION, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not their's (Habakkuk 1:6) Notice the term NATION. Not NATIONS, or any GROUP OF NATIONS, but always ONE NATION, A SINGULAR NATION. Again God calls BABYLON THE GREAT A NATION. She is also referred to as a KINGDOM, the same as a nation. Babylon is always referred to IN THE SINGULAR. "And BABYLON, THE GLORY OF KINGDOMS, the beauty of the Chaldee's excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah (Isaiah 13:19)." Here Isaiah calls Babylon A KINGDOM, in fact, she IS THE QUEEN AMONG ALL THE KINGDOMS/NATIONS OF THE EARTH. She is the leading power of the WHOLE WORLD. Notice her end: BY FIRE. That is EXACTLY WHAT JEREMIAH SAYS, and that is EXACTLY WHAT REVELATION 17 and 18 say. SHE WILL BE BURNED UTTERLY WITH FIRE. From coast to coast, from sea to shining sea. There is a complete HARMONY OF SCRIPTURE. "Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O DAUGHTER OF THE CHALDEANS: for thou shalt no more be called, THE LADY OF KINGDOMS (Isaiah 47:5)." Isaiah again refers to her as THE QUEEN OF ALL THE KINGDOMS. She is presented in Scripture as being the MOST POWERFUL OF ALL END TIME NATIONS. None can come close to her in terms to WEALTH, POWER, MILITARY, AGRICULTURE, MANUFACTURING, MU-SIC, CATTLE, HORSES, AUTO-MOBILES AND TRUCKS, AIR-CRAFT AND SPACE EXPLORATION. All of these attributes are listed by the prophets as they describe BABYLON THE NATION. The point being she is REPEATEDLY REFERRED TO AS A SINGULAR KINGDOM, A SINGULAR NATION. Babylon the Great is also referred to as the DAUGHTER OF BABYLON, and also THE DAUGHTER OF THE CHALDEANS. It is important to note that IT IS AGAIN A SINGULAR DAUGHTER. It is not DAUGHTER(S) OF BABYLON, but the ONE SINGULAR DAUGHTER. The word for "daughter" is "bath", and it means OFFSPRING OR DESCENDENT of Babylon. LIKE MOTHER, LIKE DAUGHTER. It means that this DAUGHTER OF BABYLON will be OF THE SAME TYPE, OF THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS. Ancient Babylon was the splendor of the world. She was the center of world trade, the richest and most powerful nation in the known world. Jesus said that AS IT WAS, SO SHALL IT BE! "For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; THE DAUGHTER OF BABYLON is like a threshingfloor, it is time to thresh her: yet a little while, and the time of her harvest shall come (Jeremiah 51:33)." Mighty Babylon, THE GREAT NATION OF THE END TIMES, is going to be PULVERIZED. She is to be UTTERLY DEMOLISHED FOR HER SINS. "Come down, and sit in the dust, O VIRGIN DAUGHTER OF BABYLON, sit on the ground: THERE IS NO THRONE, O DAUGHTER OF THE CHALDEANS: for thou shalt no more be called TENDER AND DELICATE (Isaiah 47:1)." Here Isaiah calls BABYLON THE GREAT the QUEEN OF THE NATIONS, but her throne has been taken from her. She has been REMOVED AS THE MOST POWERFUL NATION IN THE WORLD, and made to sit in the dust. Notice the SINGULAR ASPECT, ONE DAUGHTER, ONE THRONE, ONE QUEEN. BABYLON THE GREAT IS NOT A GROUP OF NATIONS AS THE EC, OR A SYSTEM, BUT ONE NATION, a nation that SPAWNS ALL THE END TIME SYSTEMS OF THE WORLD: POLITICAL, ECONOMIC, AND RELIGIOUS. In other words BABYLON THE NATION is responsible for the BABYLONIAN WORLD WIDE SYSTEM IT CREATES. And behind it all stands MYSTERY - WHICH THE BIBLE DEFINES AS SECRET RELIGIOUS ORDERS. The Lord also uses the word "MOUNTAIN" to describe a kingdom or nation. Jeremiah 51 is a prophecy against the nation Babylon. Jeremiah says in 51:25: "Behold, I am against thee, O DESTROYING MOUNTAIN, saith the Lord, which destroyest ALL THE EARTH: and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks (other nations), and will make thee a BURNT MOUNTAIN (nation)." Notice again it is a SINGULAR MOUNTAIN, not MOUNTAINS in the plural. Notice how the Lord calls BABYLON THE GREAT A MOUNTAIN, and the other nations are ROCKS. So Babylon, compared to the other NATIONS OF THE WORLD, is a MOUNTAIN AMONG THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD. She is again portrayed as the BIGGEST, MOST POWERFUL SINGULAR NATION IN THE WORLD. With one accord, the prophets say that BABYLON IS A SINGULAR NATION. This is vital to your understanding AS TO WHY AMERICA PLAYS THE ROLE SHE PLAYS IN END TIME PROPHECY. It is America, THE NATION BABYLON THE GREAT, that is held responsible BY GOD for all the evils that spread over the whole earth. IT IS FROM THE NATION BABYLON THE GREAT, and specifically FROM THE LITERAL CITY WITHIN THE NATIONAL BOUNDARIES OF BABYLON, CALLED MYSTERY BABYLON, THE GREAT CITY BABYLON, that all of these systems are spawned and nourished by the RICH MEN OF THE EARTH. In short, NEW YORK CITY, the GREATEST CITY WITHIN AMERICA, is held by God as being the CHIEF INSTIGATOR AND PROPAGATOR OF ALL THE EVIL SYSTEMS SHE CREATES. The argument that Babylon is ONLY A WORLD SYSTEM utterly contradicts the Lord God and his prophets. BABYLON IS ALWAYS PRESENTED AS A NATION THAT GOES FORTH FROM ONE SPECIFIC LOCATION AND FROM THAT LOCATION CONQUERS THE WHOLE WORLD THROUGH THE SYSTEMS SHE CREATED A spider weaves a large web, but she has to start from one place. Scripture is adamant and clear: SHE BEGINS AT BABYLON THE NATION, AND BABYLON THE CITY. Through her slowly expanding system of trade, economics, military power, political power and religious power, BABYLON'S WEB SNARES THE WORLD. That is why God says that THE BLOOD OF THE SAINTS, THE PROPHETS AND ALL THAT WERE SLAIN UPON THE EARTH (Revelation 18:24), CAN BE TRACED BACK TO BABYLON THE NATION, AND TO BABYLON THE LITERAL CITY. It always comes back to roost at the feet of a SINGULAR NATION AND A CITY. America is turning rapidly ANTI-CHRISTIAN. The UNITED NATIONS, for all of its speech about HATRED AND INTOLORENCE, is ANTI-CHRISTIAN TO ITS CORE. God speaks to the United Nations in the Psalms, and MOCKS THEM for taking HIS WORDS IN THEIR MOUTH and then PERVERTING THEM, REVERSING THEM. The KING OF BABYLON THE NATION, is presented in the Scripture AS THE ANTICHRIST (LUCIFER). THIS KING, OF THE NATION BABYLON THE GREAT, goes forth and conquers and then RULES OVER THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD. Check Isaiah 14:4-6, Jeremiah 51:25; 44; Habakkuk 1:6-10; 2:4-5; Revelation 13-8; 17:18; 18:24, and you will see this. It is THE KING OF BABYLON in every single instance that GOES FORTH TO CONQUER AND TO DESTROY AND RULE THE NATIONS. It is ALWAYS BABYLON THE NATION AND THE CITY, from whence he gets his POWER TO DO IT. It is BABYLON THE NATION, through its deceptive front THE UNITED NATIONS, that rules the world FROM THE GREAT CITY BABYLON, which is NEW YORK CITY. That is why the UN is located in NEW YORK. It is no accident. It is not a coincidence!! That means that THE KING OF BABYLON must be, and has to be, A PRESIDENT/RULER OVER BABYLON THE NATION, and will also be at the end, A SUPER SECRETARY GENERAL OF THE UNITED NATIONS, A WORLD PRESIDENT. The occult knows ALL OF THIS. It is in almost all of their writings. They have written about the SECRET DESTINY OF AMERICA. Isaiah and Jeremiah claim the occult have labored from the inception of the nation to bring LUCIFER into the world. If the OCCULT FORCES KNOW THAT AMERICA IS TO SPAWN AND BE RULED BY LUCIFER (THE KING OF BABYLON), then why cannot Christians ACCEPT IT? The ANSWER LIES IN THE REJECTION OF THE WORD OF GOD; IN APOSTASY. It lies in an utter refusal to ACCEPT GOD AT HIS WORD. Jeremiah said the Christian leaders in America would UTTERLY REJECT THE TRUTH OF SCRIPTURE, and lead their flocks astray. THAT PROPHECY HAS BEEN FULFILLED IN AMERICA. If you refuse these parameters, you will never understand why America is getting involved, through its front the UNITED NATIONS, in many nations around the world! It is THE KING OF BABYLON or the antichrist (LUCIFER), that goes forth and conquers the nations of the world, AND RULES THEM IN ANGER. You have to START from some specific location, AND THAT LOCATION IS AMERICA, THE NATION, BABYLON THE GREAT. As one might expect, A NATION would have CITIES within her borders, and if that is true, there would be a reference to same: "...and I will kindle a fire IN HIS CITIES.... (Jeremiah 50:32).'; "HER CITIES are a desolation,... (Jeremiah 51:43)." We find specific references to the CITIES OF BABYLON THE GREAT. The NATION has cities, and great ones at that, for THE CITY BABYLON is a mirror reflection of the NATION and her OTHER CITIES. Thus, in America, NEW YORK CITY is a reflection of MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL, CHICAGO, LOS ANGELES, SAN DIEGO, SAN FRANCISCO, DALLAS, HOUSTON, ATLANTA, ETC. The nation is portrayed as the greatest NATION IN THE WORLD. There is none her equal anywhere on the globe. A nation would also have VAST LAND AREAS. If Babylon is truly a NATION, then references to her LAND would be found: "And against her LAND.." "that shalt make her land desolate..." "go forth out of the land." "the sound of battle is in the land.." "In the land of the Chaldeans.." "out of the LAND of Babylon.." "It is the LAND of graven images.." "and shall empty HER LAND.." "A LAND where no man dwelleth.." "Her WHOLE LAND shall be confounded..." "and THROUGH ALL HER LAND..." "from the LAND of the Chaldeans..." It should be self evident that BABYLON IS A SINGULAR NATION. She has huge cities, but one VERY SPECIAL CITY, THE LARGEST CITY WITHIN HER BORDERS THAT IS ALSO THE LARGEST SEAPORT CITY OF THE NATION! She has a huge land mass, and thus has NATIONAL BOUNDARIES. She is recognized in the family of NATIONS as the greatest nation in the whole earth. America fulfills that parameter. (The lightgate min) Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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12/11/2008 4:06 am |
Noah235 IF JESUS THOUGHT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO KNOW ABOUT BY REVEALING END TIMES TO JOHN, DANIEL ETC. THEN SO SHOULD WE FIND IT IMPORTANT.. TO UNDERMINE REVELATIONS AND END TIME PROPHECY AS NOT WORTHY OF ATTENTION IS VERY ARROGANT NOT TO MENTION IGNORANT. IT IS A PART OF THE GOSPEL!!!!!!  Kim you're playing your game of "tell Peter what he believes" again  Where on earth did you get the idea that I don't think Revelation is not important? What I said was that "trying to be specific with prophecy is a dangerous business and we might ALL be wrong about the details" - quite a different thing and impossible to deny. If you look back at my posts LAST DAYS GOOD OR BAD WHO PUT THE LIGHTS OUT you will see just what a high view I have of end times prophecy in comparison with the majority of the fast asleep church. We are on the same side here and I think you should refrain from aiming potshots at your allies! I've only skimmed rather than read properly your attempt to rewrite "War and Peace" because I may only have 25 years left to live - but I am sure if I had enough time I could find other end times theologians {just as committed as you or I and better informed than both of us} who would interpret many of the obscure signs and symbols of Revelation totally differently.What difference does it actually make if AntiChrist has his headquarters in New York, London, Berlin, Rome, Jerusalem or actual Babylon? None whatsoever. He's still going to get turfed out by Jesus eventually. Peace. Peter "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth" 2 Timothy 2 v 15
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12/11/2008 4:08 am |
Whoops! What I meant was: "Where on earth did you get the idea that I think Revelation is not important?" "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth" 2 Timothy 2 v 15
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It important because North Americans are sleeeeeping. I posted blogs a long time ago about this economic depression(can be verified) and have been telling people for years about it. Many prophetic people have...David Wilkerson for one. I have studied the bible and other end time escatologists on the subject. God judgment is on America even as we speak. If Gods people hear his voice on the matter then they will be prepared. I answer to God for what I preach and the gates of hell will not prevail. I am well aware of what you believe and am not in agreement with your so very subtle humanist doctrine. God is alot smarter than the sly foxes who try to tromp on his fruit. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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All mankind are dead in trespasses and sin...they have nothing good and cannot choose the good. God must make them born again by his holy Spirit. The law does not save!! Man in and of himself has no good...nothing good...zip! To infer goodness in man apart from Jesus Christ is a false gospel. 1. Total Inability or Total Depravity. The true Gospel Because of the fall, man is unable of himself to savingly believe the gospel. The sinner is dead, blind, and deaf to the things of God; his heart is deceitful and desperately corrupt. His will is not free, it is in bondage to his evil nature, therefore, he will not - indeed he cannot - choose good over evil in the spiritual realm. Consequently, it takes much more than the Spirit's assistance to bring a sinner to Christ - it takes regeneration by which the Spirit makes the sinner alive and gives him a new nature. Faith is not something man contributes to salvation but is itself a part of God's gift of salvation - it is God's gift to the sinner, not the sinner's gift to God. 1. Free-Will or Human Ability (false Gospel) Although human nature was seriously affected by the fall, man has not been left in a state of total spiritual helplessness. God graciously enables every sinner to repent and believe, but He does not interfere with man's freedom. Each sinner posses a free will, and his eternal destiny depends on how he uses it. Man's freedom consists of his ability to choose good over evil in spiritual matters; his will is not enslaved to his sinful nature. The sinner has the power to either cooperate with God's Spirit and be regenerated or resist God's grace and perish. The lost sinner needs the Spirit's assistance, but he does not have to be regenerated by the Spirit before he can believe, for faith is man's act and precedes the new birth. Faith is the sinner's gift to God; it is man's contribution to salvation. Roman 3 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: FAITH OF JESUS NOT FAITH IN JESUS For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS ARE THOSE WHO HAVE THE FAITH OF JESUS!!!! Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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12/11/2008 2:02 pm |
It important because North Americans are sleeeeeping. I posted blogs a long time ago about this economic depression(can be verified) and have been telling people for years about it. Many prophetic people have...David Wilkerson for one. I have studied the bible and other end time escatologists on the subject. God judgment is on America even as we speak. If Gods people hear his voice on the matter then they will be prepared. I answer to God for what I preach and the gates of hell will not prevail. I am well aware of what you believe and am not in agreement with your so very subtle humanist doctrine. God is alot smarter than the sly foxes who try to tromp on his fruit. North American Christians certainly are sleeping but so are European ones and probably most of the ones in the 'church' worldwide. But it's pointless trying to wake them up because they aren't able to make a positive response in any case {at least that's what you Calvinists think}. {BY THE WAY, I CAN MAKE MY POSTINGS AS BIG AS YOURS  }SEE HOW ANNOYING IT IS!! "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth" 2 Timothy 2 v 15
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12/11/2008 2:12 pm |
I'm beginning to wish I hadn't bothered sticking around a little longer. I was obviously mistaken when I thought here was a blog I could usefully contribute to. Just goes to show my judgement hasn't improved any! Thanks for your support in any case. I think I'm really off now - certainly won't be back to this arrogant vixen's blog. God bless. Peter "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth" 2 Timothy 2 v 15
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Why are you angry? I have had many conversations with you on other blogs based on these issues and you know it. If you believe that man contributes in any way to his salvation then you adhere to humanist principles....the abilty and goodness of man in and of himself....that is not a judgement on my part but a theological fact. If you are angry about being confronted on this matter then that is not my doing but rather your own anger at the truth. Error from the gospel no matter how very subtle it is is error and is a different gospel in which there is no salvation. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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Also, the whole world was in sin during Jonah's day but he was sent only to Nineveh. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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7/21/2009 9:41 am |
It looks like theological war is going on here. Words like "honestly woman,.. something is wrong with you. I have been trying not to say this,..its crazy. Its stupid" is not a language we should expect from 2matured christians. Things we agree on, we agree. Things we disagree, we disagree amicably and allow the Holy Spirit to teach us. OT&NT makes the whole Bible. The OT is intended to lead the Jews and Gentiles to Christ.The promise of Salvation through Abraham's 'seed' (Christ) was given 430years earlier before the law(Gal 3:15-1 . Christ is the end of the law(Rm 10:4).The law was intended to lead the Jews and Gentiles to Christ(Rm 4:14-16, Heb 6:13-20). Anyone who receives Christ automatically fulfills the law. Anyone whom the Spirit of Christ operates in his/her life would definitely hate/reject sin and fulfill the 10-Commandments (no other god, love thy neighbor like yourself, no adultery/fornication, no stealing, no false witness.........). Anyone who is trying to fulfill the law without Christ is too far away from God. Rom. 5:8 while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us
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