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Ladylightwalker and godlycook would you show me where claudia says you say it's ok to sin ? godlycook n ladylightwalker, show me where it is according to Claudia Jul 10, 2009 11:11 pm I've just read that you two and I are teaching that all people have to do to is believe and that you teach that it is ok for folks to sin. I've been searching and searching the things you guys have posted and I JUST CAN"T seem to find where either of you have said such a thing. Why, from the comments that she has made it seems that you are both ENCOURAGING people to sin. But all I can see is both of you encouraging people to walk in the Spirit and as a result, the mortifying of sin and the results of the good works will be manifest in the believers life But the accusations must be so, mustn't they ? It couldn't be that like Paul says about how they falsely accused him of the exact same thing could it ? Because of their offended carnal natures could it ? Ro:3:8: And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. Claudia couldn't be slanderously reporting and affirming that YOU say that it's ok for people to sin could she? Well in spite of her many accusations to the fact that you teach such a thing, I can't for the life of me find where you did. Couldn't be that her offended carnal mind just see's what it wants to see and then she reports it as fact could it ? It couldn't be that one who's merit is in her law keeping could possibly be bearing false witness against you could it ? She couldn't be breaking the very law that she justifies herself by could she ? Maybe it's really her that believes she can break the law when it's convenient for her as long as she repents afterwards. Or maybe she gets to pick the laws that she must adhere to and gets to pick the ones she gets to break. I'm not too sure about trusting someone who comes in to this forum and makes statements that she is going to do something and that she is going to not do some things and within minutes does those things she says she won't do and doesn't do the things that she says she will do. I mean it's ok for people to change their minds occasionally but EVERY TWO MINUTES ? It's gotta be makin her a bit dizzy wouldn't ya think ? 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: |
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Sadly godlycook it seems that these poor souls because of their carnal natures cannot grasp salvation by grace because these natures are still under the law of sin and death. ------------------------------------------------------ Ro:8:1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Ro:8:2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Ro:8:3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Ro:8:4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Ro:8:5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. Ro:8:6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Ro:8  : Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.Ro:8:8: So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Ro:8:9: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Ro:8:10: And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Ro:8:11: But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Ro:8:12: Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. Ro:8:13: For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Ro:8:14: For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Ro:8:15: For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. ------------------------------------- You know godlycook, hour after hour, day after day, month after month, year after year as I walk in the Spirit I have found that Jesus Christ in me, increases and I decrease. The things of the nature of the old man ( sinful nature ) are no longer appealing to me. As a new creation in and of Christ, that which I once loved , I now hate. Did those things of my old sinful nature go away because of my one day deciding to obey the law ? No, those old things passed away because of the Spirit that is in me that seeks out the things of the Spirit and the righteousness that is by faith . ------------------------------ Ro:3:21: But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Ro:3:22: Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Ro:3:23: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Ro:3:24: Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Ro:3:25: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; Ro:3:26: To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Ro:3:27: Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. ---------------------- You know my friends, for all of their talk about the law, their carnal natures just can't seem to understand that we are under one law, and that is the law of faith. But we my friends have been called with a heavenly calling. We have been called to walk in the Spirit. The Spirit wars against the flesh. We let the Spirit do what the Spirit does better than we could ever even think of doing through OUR works or OUR trying to make ourselves righteous by the law. So in what do we boast ? INDEED Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. In what do we have our confidence ? Certainly not in our flesh as some do. Our confidence is in Lord Jesus Christ and in HIS ability to finish the good work in us that HE started. My prayer for these lost souls to which this gospel is hid is that they will see the hopelessness of their condition and that they will turn their case over to the Lord and trust in Him. May they stop trusting in THEIR trying and just try trusting. 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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Thanks gooday2praise and  back at ya.Lord we thank you for putting a hungry heart in this gal for the things of the Spirit. 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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7/14/2009 9:19 am |
 Nope I never said what she accuses me of. I believe in walking in the Light...my name lol says it all. And I haven't succeeded through my own efforts when I have victory. It's who lives in me. I can do nothing of my own. It's "Christ within me, the hope of Glory." But themore I walk in the Light, or the Spirit, the more victory I have. The more I am transformed into His likeness. Isn't it great!? He leavs no way for me to become pridefull. It's all about Him.     "Love is Patient..."
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Amen, pretty hard to argue with what Paul says about grace,justification, sanctification, salvation, but they never stop trying. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? And some yet constantly and falsely accuse us that we teach it's ok to sin. And the real reason they do that is because their carnal nature that thinks they have something of value to offer God is offended by the cross and by the fact that outside of or in addition to the finished work of the cross they have some kind of redeemable merits worthy of God's acceptance. 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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Yes it's sad. She is among the most miserable I've come across here. I'm sure that she would deny it and claim just the opposite. That's part of belonging to a bondage and controling organization. But her miserableness comes shining through clearly for all to see here. She constantly call others names,ridicules, ( which she can sure dish out but not take herself )berates, defames, twist words, falsely accuses,provokes,sets trapping type questions and rails against the gospel of grace and those who proclaim faith in the finished work of the cross for salvation. Her attack so many times is a challenge to your flesh hoping to get a response from you to discredit the gospel you proclaim. Very sad individual. She acts like such a nasty person here that her actions make it hard to pray for her, but pray for her we will, regardless and in spite of the fact that she thinks all of us here to be idiots and well, I can't even think of all the names she has called us. May God open her eyes to trusting in Him and not in herself. To trusting His work and not hers. 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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7/14/2009 5:57 pm |
archangel, Don't let German Nazi Psychologists and the idea leaving it to the social experts stop you from bringing this idea of GRACE to the forefront. --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is really no different than post dark age Europe where the Popularists such as Calvinists, Lutherans, and even the Wesleyanists themselves PERSECUTED those who for instance DENIED infant baptism as true baptism. -------------------------------------------------------------------- It's true. Mainstream Protestant churches are the DAUGHTERS of MURDEROUS RELIGIONS who speak of grace but still socially lower the likes of Claudia or even some so-called cult such as the Mormons. ------------------------------------------------------------- Well I like Paul was was very outspoken against the so-called cults. I demonized all of them until I saw the prevailing so-called church fathers of history as the reason WHY many Protestants ARE JUSTIFYING SIN. -------------------------------------------------------------------- This is no accident. Before the second friend I made at bigchurch I didn't really judge this matter as we all are suppose to judge matters. Because the second friend who went to church and claims she has repented had JUSTIFIED SIN. I thought maybe it's a wrong understanding of what is GRACE. How can someone ever stray from it's obvious meaning. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There is difference between sinning from time and time and saying one wants to sin. We all sin from time to time. Some fall into sin more easier but it's are prerogative to never say I WANT TO SIN if we claim to be under grace. IF WE SAY WE WANT to sin as my former friend from Kansas told me then we nullify grace, and must revert to the law. --------------------------------------------------------- Therefore Jesus taught to report individuals to the higher ups of the church. Assuming they are Christians in the higher church levels we must direct a person fallen from grace to understand why Christ came. Christ died leaving us an example that we should follow his steps. Tell me now which person you know is following christ steps. NONE. No not one. Everyone is blinded as Paul said. No man seeks after God; all are lost. Therefore it's grace that we should be called Sons of God because all we must do is believe and confess Christ. However it's all about meanings. ---------------------------------------------------- If someone truly believed in God and confessed Christ then that person will want to do good, and desire NOT TO SIN. If however some want to sin then they don't know the law or they have a false meaning of GRACE.
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archangel, Don't let German Nazi Psychologists and the idea leaving it to the social experts stop you from bringing this idea of GRACE to the forefront. --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is really no different than post dark age Europe where the Popularists such as Calvinists, Lutherans, and even the Wesleyanists themselves PERSECUTED those who for instance DENIED infant baptism as true baptism. -------------------------------------------------------------------- It's true. Mainstream Protestant churches are the DAUGHTERS of MURDEROUS RELIGIONS who speak of grace but still socially lower the likes of Claudia or even some so-called cult such as the Mormons. ------------------------------------------------------------- Well I like Paul was was very outspoken against the so-called cults. I demonized all of them until I saw the prevailing so-called church fathers of history as the reason WHY many Protestants ARE JUSTIFYING SIN. -------------------------------------------------------------------- This is no accident. Before the second friend I made at bigchurch I didn't really judge this matter as we all are suppose to judge matters. Because the second friend who went to church and claims she has repented had JUSTIFIED SIN. I thought maybe it's a wrong understanding of what is GRACE. How can someone ever stray from it's obvious meaning. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There is difference between sinning from time and time and saying one wants to sin. We all sin from time to time. Some fall into sin more easier but it's are prerogative to never say I WANT TO SIN if we claim to be under grace. IF WE SAY WE WANT to sin as my former friend from Kansas told me then we nullify grace, and must revert to the law. --------------------------------------------------------- Therefore Jesus taught to report individuals to the higher ups of the church. Assuming they are Christians in the higher church levels we must direct a person fallen from grace to understand why Christ came. Christ died leaving us an example that we should follow his steps. Tell me now which person you know is following christ steps. NONE. No not one. Everyone is blinded as Paul said. No man seeks after God; all are lost. Therefore it's grace that we should be called Sons of God because all we must do is believe and confess Christ. However it's all about meanings. ---------------------------------------------------- If someone truly believed in God and confessed Christ then that person will want to do good, and desire NOT TO SIN. If however some want to sin then they don't know the law or they have a false meaning of GRACE. From the fact that you just appeared to come in here and give me a vote of agreement on the things I write concerning the grace of God, I then checked out your blogs to Claudia in which you backed up the things she teaches. In fact you just gave her a grand endorsement. How can you do this in light of the fact that we believe and teach two diametrically opposing positions on the salvation issue? It seems to me that you're a very double minded person . At the very least, you appear to be very confused. Upon looking at some of your writings, I must wonder if you are under psychiatric care for paranoid schizophrenia ? I'm asking this not to make fun of you but because I seriously see that you exhibit signs of this in your writings. If this is indeed your case I will take your illness into consideration . 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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