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Is Salvation Conditional ? You Bet It Is ! Is Salvation Conditional? The question that is being asked so frequently in this forum lately is: Is salvation CONDITIONAL? The answer to that question is a BIG YES ! But the better question would be: What is the CONDITION(s) of our salvation ? Is the CONDITION our performance? Is the CONDITION our ability to follow and obey the law , thereby making ourselves acceptable to God? OR Is the CONDITION : SOLELY believing on Jesus Christ and trusting what He accomplished by the cross to obtain and secure salvation for us, because we, through our own efforts in anyway, shape or form are UNABLE to? OR Is the CONDITION the combination of the two? Do we trust that a combination of what He did on that cross PLUS our works together are the CONDITIONS that obtain salvation? OR Do you think it's splitting hairs to make a distinction of the CONDITION between these things for an excuse to sin , as many here have been ACCUSING others that trust in what Jesus Christ did for their salvation alone? Those who are trusting in the merits of Jesus Christ and NOT in their own merits. Those who falsely accuse those who are trusting in Jesus Christ and what He accomplished by His work of the cross of saying : SIN IS OK? Do you want to believe what men try to teach you? OR Do you want to look to what the apostle Paul says in his writings that are instructions and doctrine to the body of Christ during this, the dispensation of the grace of God? The one who magnified his OFFICE ( not himself ) as the apostle to the gentiles. By the way, that's who we are, the gentiles. This OFFICE, that he was appointed to as a chosen vessel by God, to fulfill Gods will. Let's go see what the one appointed as our apostle has to say about our doctrine of salvation ( what we are to believe ) shall we ? Lets start with the law and it's purpose : Ro:2:14: For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Ro:2:15: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another  Paul is saying here that by nature in their hearts and conscience is God's law written. We by nature KNOW the difference between right and wrong. Who knows this? The gentiles. Us. Those of us who never had a covenant ( legal written agreement ) relationship with God as those of the circumcision did ( Israel ). We, who were strangers from the promises of God. Without any hope of God in this world. So, we as gentiles, were never under a covenant agreement with God, but were strangers from God without any hope. So the law for us isn't the levitical law that was between God and Israel. The law for us is the law that by NATURE is written in our hearts. And some of those laws are one and the same . The moral laws. The spirit of the law. Those laws that we observe and obey IF we love our neighbor as ourselves. Now lets see what else Paul says about the law. Now keep in mind that Paul, before he got saved, was a pharisee of pharisees. No one knew the LAW better than Paul. Ph'p:3:3: For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. Ph'p:3:4: Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: Ph'p:3:5: Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Ph'p:3:6: Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. Ph'p:3  : But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.Ph'p:3:8: Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, Ph'p:3:9: And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: Ph'p:3:10: That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Ph'p:3:11: If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. WOW !!!!!!!!!! Did you just understand what Paul said here, folks? He just said that his righteousness, which was by the law, was considered DUNG ! Dung is an old word for manure, poop, crap in our modern phrases. But what did he say WAS righteousness? Ph'p:3:8: Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, Ph'p:3:9: And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: Let's see some other things Paul had to say : Ro:3:19: Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Ro:3:20: Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Ro:3:21: But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Ro:3:22: Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Ro:3:23: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Ro:3:24: Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Ro:3:25: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; Ro:3:26: To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Ro:3:27: Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Ro:3:28: Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Ro:3:29: Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: Ro:3:30: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Ro:3:31: Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. So what we see here, is that men are justified FREELY by God's grace, by the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. And by the deeds of the law ( your merits of being able to follow the law ), there is no one justified in God's sight. What is the purpose of the law ? It's purpose is to shut every man's mouth that is full of nothing but his own selfrigheousness and to make himself acknowledge and realize his state of hopeless guilt before a Holy and Righteous God. Ro:3:19: Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. AND TO SHOW MAN HIS NEED FOR A SAVIOR ! Boasting then, by men of their own righteousness by their works or their adherence to the law for claim to salvation, is something that any man will not be able to do. It is EXCLUDED. By what? By the LAW of FAITH. Now, let's see what else Paul says about these things : Ro:3:8: And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. You see here, that Paul was accused in the same way that people that teach in salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and trusting in His work of the cross ALONE in this forum are being accused. And notice something here : Paul says that those who are falsely doing this accusing, their damnation is just. Here's another little something that Paul said concerning those who handle the word deceitfully and get you to focus and trust in your works for salvation . Those who's trust is not ONLY in the finished work of the cross, but who trust is in, or ALSO in their works of self righteousness : 2Co:4:1: Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2Co:4:2: But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 2Co:4:3: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 2Co:4:4: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2Co:4:5: For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. You see folks, there are some here that can quote scripture left, right and center. Scribes and pharisees could too......... But just because they are able to do that and will dazzle you with ALL that they know, their carnal natures INSIST on their being able to be accepted by God by their works. And DESPITE of ALL their scripture knowledge, this gospel remains hid and according to this they remain lost. Even though it's right in front of their eyes : 2Co:4:3: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 2Co:4:4: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. But to you to whom this gospel is NOT hid : Eph:2:13: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. So, is there a big difference between what those who try to teach you to trust in your works and the words written by the one who held the office of the apostle to the gentiles? Are they so far apart from each other? They are as far apart as heaven is from hell. Those who say that this question is being AVOIDED simply don't like the way it is being answered. It has been answered according to the Spirit. And not in the way it was intended and designed. And that is to spy out your liberty in Christ and to bring you unto the bondage of the law. And to divert you from the simplicity which is in Christ . 2Co:11:3: But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. So, is salvation CONDITIONAL ? YOU BET IT IS ! There is so much more that I could add here, but this will suffice for now. Grace and Peace to those who have ears to hear. archangel 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: |
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7/6/2009 2:30 pm |
It's nice to see someone "rightly dividing the word of truth" here at B.C.  There are still a few here that do . We hope you guys had a great weekend.   "Love is Patient..."
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Gordy you have made it perfectly clear that you believe that Paul is of satan and is a liar. But according to Paul I am after admonishing a heretic twice, I am to reject him. Ti:3:10: A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Therefore, according to the instructions given me in the word of God ( the part you deny ) you have been rejected and ejected from posting on my blog. You are welcome to post your own stuff on your own blog and on those blogs of those who wish to put up with your constant distraction against the Gospel of Jesus Christ as presented by the apostle Paul. You have an incredible desire to make yourself the center of attention at all costs. Even by acting the fool do you accomplish this. But not in my posts. Play the fool somewhere else. This isn't about you. It's about the grace of God which we receive through faith in the finished work of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ on that cross whereby He secured that which we are unable to secure for ourselves. And that is to be made acceptable unto God. One way to God? You betcha. Through Jesus only and only Jesus. And by believing and trusting what He did for us through His death,burial and resurrection. Read all about it in Romans through Philemon. You know, the things that the one you call of satan wrote? easy eh? wanna? yup Heretic. Anyone got anything edifying to add? Feel free. But I for one am tired of these here tics and blasphemers distracting from every post that glorifies the Lord and tells of His wonderful GIFT of grace. You all can let him and others continue to do that in and to your posts if you wish. Ignore and ban if you don't. In fact even writing this much is way more than it deserves. Grace and Peace to those who love the gospel. archangel 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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And by the way, if anyone is wondering about what our local heretic is now accusing me of, the truth is that I deleted his post here without reading it. The response I made to him had nothing to do with his post here. I knew without reading it that it would just be more of his regurgitated foolishness. Like I said, if folks want to entertain his foolishness,and others like him, they are welcome. Each to their own. If the cross of Christ is a rock of offense to some,there is nothing I can do about it. 1Co:1:18: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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It's nice to see someone "rightly dividing the word of truth" here at B.C. There are still a few here that do . We hope you guys had a great weekend.2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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Thanks for your comments and imput colorfulone2 . 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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Thans for your comment. 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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Paulaphobe ! Now you just KNOW that made me laugh out loud ! Thanks Alan. 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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My,My ! Look at all the posts that have been done to and about me. Can't even go away for a few hours. Don't these people have anything else to do with their lives but to sit at their computers contantly trying to convince themselves and others just how spiritual they are ????? Make you wonder if they think no one can get along without them,including God, doesn't it? 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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Ok people, I'm going to show you how it's done . There's only one way to stop this foolishness. You stop it on your own posts. You ban the people who are constantly drawing attention to themselves and their false doctrines of working for your salvation. . And you stay out of their posts. Claudia has been added to my ban list also. She has posted here but it is the same post she already did in the blog. So, if your interested in what she has to say, then go to her blog. You know they will try to lure you into their distractions by making posts to draw you in. I choose to keep my eyes focused on what My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ accomplished FOR me on that cross. If they want to focus on their own merit then that is their choice. I choose to ignore them. What you all do is up to you. Do you choose to lift up the Lord Jesus Christ and what He did through His death,burial and resurrection or do you want entertainment ? Do you come to the arena to enjoy watching the fights ? There's many places you can go to for that. Remember as we have written in previous posts, that satans plan of attack is to muddy up and confuse and to make the gospel complicated and hard to understand. But my bible says this : 2Co:11:3: But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. Now, either salvation is a GIFT from God or it isn't. Ro:1:11: For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established; Ro:5:15: But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. Ro:5:16: And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. Ro:5:17: For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Ro:5:18: Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. Ro:6:23: For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Ro:11:29: For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Did anyone notice the word GIFT in those scriptures? LOL Some of them out there seem to have a reading problem. LOL You either have to work for salvation or you don't. Salvation either is by God's grace OR it is by your works. Ti:3:5: Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Ro:11:6: And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Ga:2:16: Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Ti:3:5: Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; The truth of the matter is this : While they make their many accusations against me, what they really are doing is disputing the truth of the scriptures I have just posted. Their carnal flesh ( you know, the carnal mind that insists that there is something righteous and acceptable about them to God )is offended by the cross. All who stand before the cross, stand guilty before God. ] Some here teach that you can do something to be righteous thereby being acceptable to God. They have confidence in THEIR flesh, in THEIR ability. But this is what my bible says : Ro:3:10: As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Ro:3:11: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Ro:3:12: They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Ro :18: For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.Some here teach that you can do something to be righteous thereby being acceptable to God. They have confidence in THEIR flesh, in THEIR ability. I have confidence in the Lords ability. In HIS righteousness. In HIS sufficient sacrifice. In HIS gift of salvation. In HIS ability to keep me in HIS hand forever. In HIS ability to make me a new creature in Christ. In HIS being able to keep and finish the good work that HE started in me. You see folks, I, like Paul have no confidence in my flesh,in my works and my ability. My trust is in the ONE who died for me and my sin, so that he could give to me the only righteous that I can ever claim. My trust is in the Lord Jesus Christ and in HIM ONLY. If THEY wish to trust in their own merits then let them have at it to their carnal hearts desire. Open your eyes folks to those who wish to LORD IT OVER YOU ! My ONLY intent in the things I write are to help make it clear exactly who you ARE IN Christ. I want you to study God's word and see if what I say is what God's word says also. My intent is not to lord it over anyone my intent is to be as it is written, to be a helper of your joy. The joy that comes with the knowledge of who you are in Christ period. 2Co:1:24: Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand. 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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And if you all noticed something when I made my original post here,I simply answed a question that I've repeatedly seen. And if you notice also,I never called anyone out or even mentioned anyone's name in connection with the question. I was discussing a subject. Not a person in particular. But it sure is funny that a few folks here ATTACK whenever the gospel of the grace of God is presented. Why do they hate the gospel so? very sad. 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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7/8/2009 5:54 am |
Amen RN And Archangel! And yes, legalists hate the liberty and grace we have in Jesus. Always have, and always will. They want to go back to bondage. Jesus said we are free in deed, in Him. Not in the law. Thank you Jesus! If Peter "lived" as the gentiles, (recorded in acts) then was he keeping the law? I think they (jewish congregation) understood grace too. The ones who had issue with it were some jewish believers with Peter, James, and John. There was a problem with them, so Paul had to go meet with them all. The new jewish bekievers didn't understand. And what happened? Gentiles were not required to keep the law..period. What some messianic (I studied with them) assume is that they expected them to go on and learn the law and then keep it. The scripture in acts concerning all this ends with, "for they can hear Moses being preached in the synogogue." This is no proof of what they assume. I have studied this from alot of different schools of thought. Legalism always leads to bondage, just as Paul said. Gordy accused you of not teaching Jesus' words. I did in my post .. "Not Free to Sin, but to Serve God By The Holy Spirit" and he didn't attack mine on any blog (he's banned on mine). Thanks for posting such a good post. Hope y'all have a nice day. "Love is Patient..."
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Ga:2:21: I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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Amen 4gvnrn. It is a scary thought, in view of the fact that they are so caught up in and convinced of their self righteousness that they trust in. But the word says that their eyes have been blinded and that they are lost. 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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Amen RN And Archangel! And yes, legalists hate the liberty and grace we have in Jesus. Always have, and always will. They want to go back to bondage. Jesus said we are free in deed, in Him. Not in the law. Thank you Jesus! If Peter "lived" as the gentiles, (recorded in acts) then was he keeping the law? I think they (jewish congregation) understood grace too. The ones who had issue with it were some jewish believers with Peter, James, and John. There was a problem with them, so Paul had to go meet with them all. The new jewish bekievers didn't understand. And what happened? Gentiles were not required to keep the law..period. What some messianic (I studied with them) assume is that they expected them to go on and learn the law and then keep it. The scripture in acts concerning all this ends with, "for they can hear Moses being preached in the synogogue." This is no proof of what they assume. I have studied this from alot of different schools of thought. Legalism always leads to bondage, just as Paul said. Gordy accused you of not teaching Jesus' words. I did in my post .. "Not Free to Sin, but to Serve God By The Holy Spirit" and he didn't attack mine on any blog (he's banned on mine). Thanks for posting such a good post. Hope y'all have a nice day. Notice what these verses say. And also notice what they don't say. They say that YOU are to study. They don't say to let others study FOR you. 2Tm:2:15: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Ac:17:11: These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Ga:1:8: But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Ga:1:9: As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Pretty well impossible to follow these scriptures by believing what ANYONE tries to teach you, without studying for yourself isn't it ? Thanks for comments and edification Robin. Grace and Peace 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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7/10/2009 12:23 pm |
Amen! I have been encouraging others to study for themselves too. I felt God was telling a few of us here at the same time to say to others,"Study for yourself, and let God show you!" But like I told Thomas, I think some here are in rebellion. They ask questions, not to really learn, but just for fun or something. Because I haven't seen them go to scripture and grow in what they are asking about. It just goes on and on for months and years. I am into growth. If I'm not growing, and deepening in the Word, then I am stagnating, and that is dangerous for me spiritualy. I don't like what happens then. Depression, etc.. I must be growing. And also serving others, which is our purpose. I see alot here just not getting it at all. I love to cut up and have fun, and I do alot. But I'm here to grow and share. T and I had such a good study last night about grace! God bless you both. We're so glad you're here. "Love is Patient..."
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Amen! I have been encouraging others to study for themselves too. I felt God was telling a few of us here at the same time to say to others,"Study for yourself, and let God show you!" But like I told Thomas, I think some here are in rebellion. They ask questions, not to really learn, but just for fun or something. Because I haven't seen them go to scripture and grow in what they are asking about. It just goes on and on for months and years. I am into growth. If I'm not growing, and deepening in the Word, then I am stagnating, and that is dangerous for me spiritualy. I don't like what happens then. Depression, etc.. I must be growing. And also serving others, which is our purpose. I see alot here just not getting it at all. I love to cut up and have fun, and I do alot. But I'm here to grow and share. T and I had such a good study last night about grace! God bless you both. We're so glad you're here. And what you say about those here that are in rebellion is true. Their questions are designed to cause strife and division. They never ask out of a hungry heart. May God open their eyes to the hardness of their hearts. Read these words and let them sink deep into your souls : Eph:3:14: For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Eph:3:15: Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, Eph:3:16: That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; Eph:3:17: That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, Eph:3:18: May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; Eph:3:19: And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. Eph:3:20: Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, Eph:3:21: Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen. 2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
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