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Independance
(Patricia )
62F
2578 posts
8/11/2008 12:38 pm

Last Read:
8/13/2008 12:34 pm

Sabbath, truth or,,,,,,,,,


The historical background to the search for the pre-biblical origins of the Sabbath (Hebrew Shabbat):

Prior to 1872 many scholars accepted without question the Sabbath's origins as presented in the

Hebrew Bible. Things changed after 1872. Why? In that year a British scholar called George Smith, who

worked for the British Museum in London discovered a Mesopotamian account of a great flood that

destroyed the world while reading cuneiform tablets excavated from the Assyrian Kings' Palace

Library at Nineveh the capital of ancient Assyria (destroyed in 612 B.C. by Medes and Babylonians).

This account noted that a god had warned one man to build a great boat and put aboard it the seed

of man and animalkind for a new post-flood beginning. He released birds three times like Noah to

test the abatement of the flood waters before leaving the boat and then he gave a thank-offering to

his god for being forewarned and spared like Noah.

The news of this discovery electrified the Christian world: at last an extra-biblical document had

verified the biblical flood account. However, this discovery caused some scholars to wonder _why_ the

Mesopotamian and biblical accounts varied from each other in many details. Some proposed that

both accounts arose independently of each other from one event, a real flood. Others suggested the

Hebrew account had borrowed from the Mesopotamian and had for unknown reasons recast the

details. Scholars are still divided to this day on this issue. Some Conservative scholars argue there is

_no_ borrowing while more Liberal scholars understand that there _is_ borrowing, acknowledging

that the details have been recast and transformed. Smith in 1875 wrote a book (published at London

in 1876) on his discoveries from the cuneiform tablets. He appears to have understood that the

Hebrews in the Book of Genesis had recast Mesopotamian accounts about man's origins and his

demise in a flood. He titled his book

The Chaldean Genesis. Later scolarship would come to call the cuneiform account preserving the

Flood that Smith had shared in 1872 with a startled world The Epic of Gilgamesh (Smith correctly

deduced the account was made up of 12 tablets, he knew Gilgamesh as Izdubar and thought he was

Genesis' Nimrod).

Those scholars who, after 1872, suspected that the Hebrews had recast the details in the

Mesopotamian flood story into Noah's Flood turned their attention to the Hebrew Shabbat (English:

Sabbath). Was it possible that the Hebrews had recast a Mesopotamian story about gods resting on a

seventh day and transformed this motif into one God resting on a seventh day?


I forget were I pick this up, but the point is,,,whatever the origins are of this Hebrew religious holiday, I belive that Jesus is above all religious holidays or traditions and I do not celebrate/keep the Sabbath.


Life is an adventure.


Noah235 67M

8/11/2008 4:21 pm

I don't know about the Sabbath but what I DO know about is the Flood story. The dimensions of the ark in Genesis have been scientifically verified as the best ratios for stability {bear in mind the ark didn't have to GO anywhere, it just had to stay afloat}. The dimensions of the boat in the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh make the boat a cube which would go over the first half decent wave came along! From this alone it is obvious that Gilgamesh is a corruption of Genesis, not vice versa and not a simultaneous account.

In any case, the Genesis version was originally written by Noah and his sons who were ON the ark {later incorporated by Moses into the rest of Genesis}. Since everybody else was destroyed by the flood, they must have had the story first!!! Most ancient civilisations have a version of sorts of the flood which is what you would expect since all peoples on the earth are descended from Noah and his 3 sons.

Peter


"Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth"

2 Timothy 2 v 15


Independance
(Patricia )
62F

8/11/2008 5:30 pm

    Quoting Noah235:
    I don't know about the Sabbath but what I DO know about is the Flood story. The dimensions of the ark in Genesis have been scientifically verified as the best ratios for stability {bear in mind the ark didn't have to GO anywhere, it just had to stay afloat}. The dimensions of the boat in the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh make the boat a cube which would go over the first half decent wave came along! From this alone it is obvious that Gilgamesh is a corruption of Genesis, not vice versa and not a simultaneous account.

    In any case, the Genesis version was originally written by Noah and his sons who were ON the ark {later incorporated by Moses into the rest of Genesis}. Since everybody else was destroyed by the flood, they must have had the story first!!! Most ancient civilisations have a version of sorts of the flood which is what you would expect since all peoples on the earth are descended from Noah and his 3 sons.

    Peter
great comment nice of you to visit

Life is an adventure.


Independance
(Patricia )
62F

8/11/2008 5:31 pm

    Quoting  :

Thanks! and have a happy Tuesday Sabbath to you as well

Life is an adventure.


Noah235 67M

8/11/2008 6:16 pm

Thanks! It's nice to be appreciated for once.

Peter


"Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth"

2 Timothy 2 v 15


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/11/2008 6:38 pm

I am with you on this one...Jesus is the Sabbath... he is our rest