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unregistered..undocumented..illegal.. undocumented resident illegal alien paperless immigrant migrant mojado Many names for them, and many reasons why they are here. What do you think about it. Do you know anyone who fits this status? |
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I don't think it is fair that they can draw from social security when they have not contributed. They are often given health care and food stamps to name a couple of other things. I do find that unfair considering I can't afford to go to the Doctor myself. I do know some people whom I have met through my work that fit this category (illegal). They seem to be decent people who are just trying to better their lives. I can't hold that against them.
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4/24/2007 6:23 pm |
I know many people who are in this situation. A lot of Americans want to complain about how the illegals are doing this and doing that. When you boil it all down, it comes up to this. We are so spoiled. I am starting to write a poem about us(Americans). One of the verses is this. We leave a restuarant and complain about the service being bad. Halfway around the world, dirt is the only dinner a child had. One day someone will hold our government accountable for what it could have done, but chose not too. We could feed the world, but then we may have to actually suffer a little. Sorry, I am really sick of our society tonight. Donny
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Ya know I have absolutely no problem with people migrating to the US IF it's legally. I have a major problem with it when they pay no taxes, use our medical facilities and then send their money home. I live in a small county and there are MANY here who are illegal. I also strongly feel that those here legally need to learn English!  The US really needs to get on the ball with this. I don't think they really realize how serious it's getting.My 2 cents. 
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We have so many illegals here. Students duck when Border Patrol drive by. We've even had the coyotes as students. There are so many opinions on the rightness and wrongness of the situation, but I've never lived somewhere that it is worth risking death to get out to make money so that the family can live. Many do die in the desert out here looking for a better life. That is sad. LeAnne Gracious, Merciful, Compassionate
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4/24/2007 7:53 pm |
As the daughter of an immigrant, i have much to say on this subject, but will keep it short and simple. Ilegals cant' get food stamps or money from social security, ilegals do pay taxes, they are very hard working people who do spend their money here, they also send money to their families back home. The dollar does not disapear in mexico, nor loses it's value, the dollars get exchanged for pesos at the money changers, if you have been to mexico on vacation you know this. It is not a crime to send money to your family. When i get my paycheck, i spend it anyway that i see fit, wich may include sending my hard earned dollas to China if i so choose to. When you say, Ilegals, Migrant, Mojado, i know that you are refering to a lot of us Hispanics in these Country who have a mexican ancestry, yes, our parents came here ilegally, they broke the law of the land, but,i know that it was in the Lord's will that my family came to this country. We are here to stay!.[SIZE 5]HOLA, COMO ESTAS? LOL!!!.[/SIZE] Life is an adventure.
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I don't think it is fair that they can draw from social security when they have not contributed. They are often given health care and food stamps to name a couple of other things. I do find that unfair considering I can't afford to go to the Doctor myself. I do know some people whom I have met through my work that fit this category (illegal). They seem to be decent people who are just trying to better their lives. I can't hold that against them. And you're right. Many are decent people who are trying to make enough to survive..something they couldnt do back home.
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I know many people who are in this situation. A lot of Americans want to complain about how the illegals are doing this and doing that. When you boil it all down, it comes up to this. We are so spoiled. I am starting to write a poem about us(Americans). One of the verses is this. We leave a restuarant and complain about the service being bad. Halfway around the world, dirt is the only dinner a child had. One day someone will hold our government accountable for what it could have done, but chose not too. We could feed the world, but then we may have to actually suffer a little. Sorry, I am really sick of our society tonight. Donny
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Ya know I have absolutely no problem with people migrating to the US IF it's legally. I have a major problem with it when they pay no taxes, use our medical facilities and then send their money home. I live in a small county and there are MANY here who are illegal. I also strongly feel that those here legally need to learn English! The US really needs to get on the ball with this. I don't think they really realize how serious it's getting.My 2 cents. True, many don't know enough english....and many are just embarrassed to speak english in front of native english speakers with whom they are not strongly aquainted
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We have so many illegals here. Students duck when Border Patrol drive by. We've even had the coyotes as students. There are so many opinions on the rightness and wrongness of the situation, but I've never lived somewhere that it is worth risking death to get out to make money so that the family can live. Many do die in the desert out here looking for a better life. That is sad. And yes it is sad.
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As the daughter of an immigrant, i have much to say on this subject, but will keep it short and simple. Ilegals cant' get food stamps or money from social security, ilegals do pay taxes, they are very hard working people who do spend their money here, they also send money to their families back home. The dollar does not disapear in mexico, nor loses it's value, the dollars get exchanged for pesos at the money changers, if you have been to mexico on vacation you know this. It is not a crime to send money to your family. When i get my paycheck, i spend it anyway that i see fit, wich may include sending my hard earned dollas to China if i so choose to. When you say, Ilegals, Migrant, Mojado, i know that you are refering to a lot of us Hispanics in these Country who have a mexican ancestry, yes, our parents came here ilegally, they broke the law of the land, but,i know that it was in the Lord's will that my family came to this country. We are here to stay!.[SIZE 5]HOLA, COMO ESTAS? LOL!!!.] A friend of mine sends money to his son, who lives with his grandparents in mexico. He used to live here, but when he turned 18, he could no longer stay in the country under his parents and had to go back home. He goes to college there now and his parents want him to focus on this and not worry about working for pennies, so they work crazy hours and send him money. I used to think that people should only come here legally...do it the right way..through the right channels...until i saw how it really is...until i really knew the people. A brit can come here on a visitor visa...no problem..overstay the visa and pay a lawyer 2 grand and get a green card. Think it works the same way for mexicans? Think it works the same way for all south american countries...the same rules as for the european countries? NOPE On paper, yes..in reality..no Not that I think the borders should just open up and let havoc ensue, but I definately have empathy for those doing what they feel they need to do
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Please don't get me wrong here and if I offended you Independance I sincerely apologize. I do empathize. Those I have had dealings with are very hard-working and people of integrity. Many where I am are getting paid under the table and I in no way hold them accountable. It's the employer. They ARE doing what they feel they need to do and it is sad but I still concur that they should be legal. The process might be arduous but should be done none the less. Yes Donny we as a society in the US are spoiled rotten and take everything for granted. Feed the world? Nice thought but we don't even take care of the needy here. We will reap what we sow.
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4/25/2007 9:37 am |
Let's see... in high school one of my best friends was illegal. He came from a very wealthy family in Mexico. But his dad was murdered and as there was neither safety nor justice for his family, they had to come here to escape. They lived in poverty and my friend worked full time AFTER attending school full time. My other friends came here in order that they might work under the table for far less than minimum wage at jobs that no American citizen would do. They worked 18 hour days, 6 or 7 days a week, then sent most of their money back to Mexico to support family. A third group that I knew had false identification and worked in the general work force of CA. Because of their bogus citizenship, they paid every bit as much in taxes as you or I. Yet, they didn't reap any of the benefits, for applying for government assistance would mean investigation and possible deportation. Our nation is completely dependent upon illegal immigration! Have you ever considered what it would cost to buy a peach or a strawberry if all field labor was legal? Farmers couldn't afford to hire people, reducing the supply, and dramatically increasing the cost of the produce. The only area in which illegal immigrants are successfully able to utilize government expenditure is in the public school system... where they are required to learn English which IS a legal requirement essential for citizenship. Let's not confuse legal residency with citizenship. I think the benefits we receive from our hard working farm workers far out ways the cost of their education. Our nation also limits the number of new citizens it allows each year. From some countries, it is done by lottery and therefore no more than one or two people a year have the opportunity from that nation. Not only is the process of citizenship arduous, but unless people come here with H1B Visa status (which can only be obtained if you have a special skill that a US company requires), it could actually be impossible. Perhaps we should learn the facts before we state an opinion. Ahem... I'll get off my soapbox now.
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4/25/2007 11:48 am |
Please don't get me wrong here and if I offended you Independance I sincerely apologize. I do empathize. Those I have had dealings with are very hard-working and people of integrity. Many where I am are getting paid under the table and I in no way hold them accountable. It's the employer. They ARE doing what they feel they need to do and it is sad but I still concur that they should be legal. The process might be arduous but should be done none the less. Yes Donny we as a society in the US are spoiled rotten and take everything for granted. Feed the world? Nice thought but we don't even take care of the needy here. We will reap what we sow. Life is an adventure.
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Let's see... in high school one of my best friends was illegal. He came from a very wealthy family in Mexico. But his dad was murdered and as there was neither safety nor justice for his family, they had to come here to escape. They lived in poverty and my friend worked full time AFTER attending school full time. My other friends came here in order that they might work under the table for far less than minimum wage at jobs that no American citizen would do. They worked 18 hour days, 6 or 7 days a week, then sent most of their money back to Mexico to support family. A third group that I knew had false identification and worked in the general work force of CA. Because of their bogus citizenship, they paid every bit as much in taxes as you or I. Yet, they didn't reap any of the benefits, for applying for government assistance would mean investigation and possible deportation. Our nation is completely dependent upon illegal immigration! Have you ever considered what it would cost to buy a peach or a strawberry if all field labor was legal? Farmers couldn't afford to hire people, reducing the supply, and dramatically increasing the cost of the produce. The only area in which illegal immigrants are successfully able to utilize government expenditure is in the public school system... where they are required to learn English which IS a legal requirement essential for citizenship. Let's not confuse legal residency with citizenship. I think the benefits we receive from our hard working farm workers far out ways the cost of their education. Our nation also limits the number of new citizens it allows each year. From some countries, it is done by lottery and therefore no more than one or two people a year have the opportunity from that nation. Not only is the process of citizenship arduous, but unless people come here with H1B Visa status (which can only be obtained if you have a special skill that a US company requires), it could actually be impossible. Perhaps we should learn the facts before we state an opinion. Ahem... I'll get off my soapbox now.
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4/26/2007 12:04 am |
I met a girl who was in this country illegally. She was 23, living with a guy and had 3 sweet young daughters. She had fled Colombia after seeing her father killed before her eyes when she was very young. Her mother didn't want her and had abandoned her. She made her way to Mexico, where she met up with this guy who had her help take care of his parents. When the children were very small, they all came to the US, all illegal, I think. The children were in school, and their mother cleaned houses for a living. The boyfriend worked in the grain mill. She wanted to leave her boyfriend and his parents because they were pretty mean to her, but she had no other resources, and because of being illegal, she was afraid to seek any kind of help. I took care of her youngest daughter, who was 5, for a weekend because she had to have some sort of medical care. I offered to help her make a new life away from the boyfriend and his parents, but she was afraid to leave him. It sure put a face on illegal immigrants for me. I had never met one before.
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4/26/2007 12:08 am |
Point taken.
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4/26/2007 4:31 pm |
too much atm to go on about .. though I should say the brits cannot just come and let their visa elapse and pay 2k for a lawyer to keep them here .. just as anyone else .. they have to MARRY some american idiot to stay here or they get their butts deported home as well .. .. infact THEY have LESS of a chance of staying becaue they do NOT come from a third world country and are not conisdered 'needy impovershed whatever .. they cannot partake in the lottery for visas etc .. they are last on the list of those allowed to enter .. unless MARRIED of course  (that kinda deal) ..your probibly a better prospect of getting in this country if you are poor, uneducated and come from a third world country then if you do not .. and THAT IS A GOOD THING .. IF .. your going to try to improve your life and not use your new found freedom as a sugar daddy .. MOST do NOT USE the SYSTEM .. though those that DO .. make a poor name for those who are no different then the rest of us .. who just wanna have a decent life .. If it were up to me and it were possible .. I WOULD sort them out .. and send back the ones who are leaches and keep those who REALLY do want to just live a decent life ... now .. IF we could do the same with those born here .. muahahhaha ... This message has been brought to you by the Justin Case Network .. official sponsor of the Foot in Mouth clubs of America .. with your support we WILL find a cure!
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4/26/2007 4:36 pm |
though hey on another note!! I think its about time the frikken so called 1st world contries got off their collective buttS or got their heads out of each others and stared making .. FORCING the 3rd world gov to TAKE CARE OF THEIR PEOPLE!! NO UN!! .. the biggest joke of the ages .. but a REAL world solidarity movement to MAKE these selfish countires stop using and abusing their people and be responisble for them .. INSTEAD of the rest of the world doing it for them! omg .. what a profound though .. sure no one has ever thought it before .. must NOT have .. seeing its NEVER been done! ... This message has been brought to you by the Justin Case Network .. official sponsor of the Foot in Mouth clubs of America .. with your support we WILL find a cure!
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4/26/2007 4:37 pm |
.. and thats me not having much to say .. atm .. ... This message has been brought to you by the Justin Case Network .. official sponsor of the Foot in Mouth clubs of America .. with your support we WILL find a cure!
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4/26/2007 4:46 pm |
oh .. and while Im here .. lol a thing about ssi .. you pay into it for about what 3-5 yrs TOPS .. after that its ALL what OTHERS pay into it that support YOU .. the way it was designed was that people only lived so long and after they retired they would only need 3 or so yrs of income .. something like that .. (back in the 40's when it came out - sorry not 100% on it all but close enough for horeshoes I guess) anyways .. basically .. AFTER you get ssi .. for say 3-5 yrs .. YOU will have USED UP ALL that YOU PUT IN (in your WHOLE LIFE) .. and THEN you are LIVING OFF SOMEONE ELSE .. hmmm just a thought about social security .. and after all these years what YOU are entitled to! IRA anyone? ... This message has been brought to you by the Justin Case Network .. official sponsor of the Foot in Mouth clubs of America .. with your support we WILL find a cure!
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too much atm to go on about .. though I should say the brits cannot just come and let their visa elapse and pay 2k for a lawyer to keep them here .. just as anyone else .. they have to MARRY some american idiot to stay here or they get their butts deported home as well .. .. infact THEY have LESS of a chance of staying becaue they do NOT come from a third world country and are not conisdered 'needy impovershed whatever .. they cannot partake in the lottery for visas etc .. they are last on the list of those allowed to enter .. unless MARRIED of course (that kinda deal) ..your probibly a better prospect of getting in this country if you are poor, uneducated and come from a third world country then if you do not .. and THAT IS A GOOD THING .. IF .. your going to try to improve your life and not use your new found freedom as a sugar daddy .. MOST do NOT USE the SYSTEM .. though those that DO .. make a poor name for those who are no different then the rest of us .. who just wanna have a decent life .. If it were up to me and it were possible .. I WOULD sort them out .. and send back the ones who are leaches and keep those who REALLY do want to just live a decent life ... now .. IF we could do the same with those born here .. muahahhaha Anyway...they're still fighting his deportation. They're paying a fortune to a lawyer because even with a wife and child..they want to send him back. So much for marrying an idiot. As I said, it doesn't work the same for all countries.
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4/26/2007 6:53 pm |
Im sure if you wanted, you could find that example from anyone from another country wanting to stay .. it has been my experience that there are a whole lot more illegal mexicans here that are being allowed to stay then illegal brits .. was he here legally in the first place, apparently that has some weight and also most days you hear about students coming here on student visas who overstay and end up being allowed .. from impovershed countries or not .. I dont think its so much predjudicial as it is how they got here in the first place .. doesnt seem to matter really IF their ILLEGAL in the present .. the laws are totally screwed up .. but I dont think you can say its one country being favored over another when there are many countries getting the same treatment and their citizens being allowed to stay .. it seems to me the only thing in question is when they came here .. legally or not .. and if not .. then the law steps in and deports .. I guess IF you show 'some' attempt to do it legally even if only a 3mos visitors visa thats considered good 'intent' or something .. doesnt make it right .. just makes it how it is .. and I still stand by what I said about our governments getting their heads out of each others .. you know whats .. and breathing down the necks of these third world countries .. WHY do they come here .. to get a better lot in life .. they LOVE their countries .. IF they could get a decent life there .. they wouldnt have to leave .. people wanna stop all this illegal immigration .. they need to go to the source and that is the countries governments .. I dont blame the people for fleeing .. but I DO blame their governements for not giving a damn about their own! ... This message has been brought to you by the Justin Case Network .. official sponsor of the Foot in Mouth clubs of America .. with your support we WILL find a cure!
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Im sure if you wanted, you could find that example from anyone from another country wanting to stay .. it has been my experience that there are a whole lot more illegal mexicans here that are being allowed to stay then illegal brits .. was he here legally in the first place, apparently that has some weight and also most days you hear about students coming here on student visas who overstay and end up being allowed .. from impovershed countries or not .. I dont think its so much predjudicial as it is how they got here in the first place .. doesnt seem to matter really IF their ILLEGAL in the present .. the laws are totally screwed up .. but I dont think you can say its one country being favored over another when there are many countries getting the same treatment and their citizens being allowed to stay .. it seems to me the only thing in question is when they came here .. legally or not .. and if not .. then the law steps in and deports .. I guess IF you show 'some' attempt to do it legally even if only a 3mos visitors visa thats considered good 'intent' or something .. doesnt make it right .. just makes it how it is .. and I still stand by what I said about our governments getting their heads out of each others .. you know whats .. and breathing down the necks of these third world countries .. WHY do they come here .. to get a better lot in life .. they LOVE their countries .. IF they could get a decent life there .. they wouldnt have to leave .. people wanna stop all this illegal immigration .. they need to go to the source and that is the countries governments .. I dont blame the people for fleeing .. but I DO blame their governements for not giving a damn about their own! I know that illegal is illegal and I'm not slamming one country over the other. I'm just saying that it's not even across the board and sometimes legal isn't an option. But yeah..you've got it. It's done out of necessity for survival because of incompetent governments. As much as there is to complain about the US, compare us to any other country,,see who comes out on top.
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5/2/2007 6:06 pm |
Okay, so many points here to address: To Anne Marie: Social Security was intended to be a SUPPLEMENT to a person's retirement income. Unfortunately, when the Government came out with Social Security, people stopped saving money for their old age, and started counting on living off their SS. Needless to say, that doesn't work. When they started Social Security, there were 7 people working for every person collecting. Now it is down to 2 and a fraction working for every person collecting. What will it be when there is one for one? Collapse of the system, that's what. Look in the back of your tax book, when you get a chance. People complain about the cost of the war in Iraq, but that is a very tiny fraction of our national budget. More than HALF of the taxes collected go into Social Security and Entitlements. That number will increase when the Baby Boomers are all retired. I think Bush underestimated the total collapse of the system...people won't put up with this until 2018. I predict within 5 years, it will hit the fan... The illegals take the crap jobs for less than minimum wage, because that is their safety net. If our country changed our immigration laws for our neighbors, and the illegals were able to become legal, I believe that most of them would. HOWEVER: they must actually STRIVE to become part of America, in my opinion. I am tired of having separate language TV stations, Radio, and newspapers. English IS the official language of this country, and EVERYONE who wants to live here must be required to learn a working knowledge of the common language. The problem with most immigrants (illegal or legal, Hispanic or otherwise) is that they want to bring THEIR country here, and make the US over into their home. If your home was so great, why did you leave??? Visit Little Saigon or Chinatown, or any of THOUSANDS of Hispanic Enclaves throughout the US, and you will see the proof. Our nation is called the melting pot, but they don't want to be part of us. They want to keep their language and national identity, and sneer at ours, while benefitting from our available work, education and other amenities. It's a thorne?y issue, to be sure. Barring them is not a solution. They have as much right to come to this country as did my Irish and German Ancestors did, and make a new life for themselves. The question is: Are they making a new home, or are they sucking what they can out, then leave us when we're of no further use to them??? Yes the wages for illegals here is sub-standard, but it's better than what's available for them there, or they wouldn't be coming here. I have seen them gang up and live 3 or 4 families to a home, on purpose, so that they can cut their costs and have extra money to send back to Mexico, etc. That makes me feel like it isn't their intention to become an American like my ancestors did. It's their intention to use us while they can, and then get out. That's right. Let them become Citizen's, but they have to do it the same way every other American did: Learn the language, become part of the culture, contribute to our national identity, take the tests. If you're too good to join us, then take your sorry hiney back where you came from, because we don't want you! If you want to join us, then prove it: Do what every other immigrant had to do to become a citizen. -Danny
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Hi, this is Marcos,aka godgodgodgodgodg, havent been able to log on with that handle,so,i had to change it. its funny how you use the word mojado or in english,wet back, if you ask a mexican immigrant what they think about this phrase, they sometimes reply with"if me crossing a river to get into this country makes me a wet back,what does that make all the other races that had to cross an entire ocean to come here, a wet back,front,top,bottom,everything??????? 
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