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gavinLS 68M
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1/9/2012 7:51 pm

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Preterism


Preterism is the belief that all or most of Biblical prophecy has already been fulfilled in 70 AD when the Romans sacked Jerusalem and the Temple was destroyed.

I lean towards preterism, but I wouldn’t stake my salvation on any eschatological viewpoint. However, I thought maybe people might have a comment or question that we could discuss.

No long winded diatribes, and please stay on topic. And please, if u feel a need to attack someone, attack me and keep your past grievances with others out of my blog. But again, just keep it short and get to the point.

gavinLS 68M
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1/10/2012 9:15 am

Actually Freeway, there was a time shortly before the sack of Jerusalem when all the Christians left the city and never returned. Most think they went to Mount Pella. Josephus is the main recorder of these events, but he's silent on the topic of the Christians leaving.

That's how I remember it anyway. Been a few years since I was studying this stuff, and I'm not an expert on Preterism


gavinLS 68M
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1/10/2012 9:17 am

I think all eschatalogical views have some defects. For preterism, my biggest problem is with the Mark of the Beast. Even tho I like preterism, I've never heard a satisfactory explanation for that prophecy having been fulfilled. Most preterists just seem to ignore those passages.


Tropical_Man 66M
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1/11/2012 4:37 am

there are many levels. Preterism does not say that Jesus is still not coming back. It just shows where the Old testament prophecies were written in the future and revelations was not written in a futuristic way. It is written in symbolism. Big Difference


gavinLS 68M
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1/11/2012 6:11 am

HI Tropic. As I understand it, preterists fall into two categories. Full and Partial. I am a partial preterist because I think Christ is yet to come. I'm not sure how full preterists reconcile it, but I guess to them they feel He has already returned.

But again, I'm only a preterist because I "lean" that way. Frankly, I don't know which eschatological view to take.

If you know more about preterism or some related topic, please feel free to comment some more.


gavinLS 68M
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1/14/2012 7:51 pm

Sure Un. But that's Futurism. TY for ur input tho.


gavinLS 68M
410 posts
1/14/2012 7:58 pm

Actually, I suppose Futurism is a related topic. I was just hoping we'd stay more on the other eschatological views, cos most ppl today r already very familiar with Futurism. (For most people, it's the only one they know or can concieve of.)

There r four basic eschatological (end times) views, and all variations and interpretations of the Bible fall into one of those categories. (The other two are Historicism, and Spiritual/Idealism)


Tropical_Man 66M
6389 posts
1/16/2012 5:24 am

Rev 1:1 says it simply is about who Jesus is and things which soon must take place. It was written to people in great tribulation. It was not written 2000 years in the future. The Old Testament was futuristic. Revelations was not. Here is why:

by Mike Blume Refuting Futurism in Revelatians

by Mike Blume



(1) The disciples equate the SIGN OF HIS COMING in Matthew 24 with the SIGN WHEN THESE THINGS (temple destruction) come to pass in Mark and Luke.



(2) Jesus speaks to "this generation", meaning the period of time in which the people of His day would live, in both Matthew 23:36, and Matthew 24:33-34.



(3) Jesus said Jerusalem was guilty of all blood shed on earth in Mat 23:35, and the whore had all the blood shed on earth in her in Rev 18:24. more than one party cannot be guilty of all blood.



(4) Jesus said Jerusalem's women and their children would cry for the rocks and mountains to cover them in Luke 23:28-30, and that is the sixth seal in Rev. 6:16.



(4) The same generation that would see the temple destroyed, which occurred in 70 AD, would see all the other signs listed in Matthew 24. (Matt 24:33-34). You cannot split up the chapter into 70 AD fulfillment, plus our future fulfillment. Jesus said ALL the events would occur in one generation.



(5) Rev 11:2 says Jerusalem would be trodden by the gentiles (ROMANS - 4th GENTILE KINGDOM IN NEBUCHADNEZZAR'S VISION) for 3.5 years - which is exactly how long it took Rome to smash the city. Jesus spoke of the same events in Luke 21:24.



(6) Jesus said the events of tribulation and wrath against Jerusalem, in Luke 21, were the days of vengeance. Revelation's fifth seal shows the souls of those slain demanding vengeance for their blood. And Jesus said Jerusalem would come good for all blood shed on earth since Abel. Those souls are pre-cross souls, because they did not get their white robes until after their deaths. We already have white robes of righteousness as soon as we are saved.



(7) Jesus said people standing before Him would NOT TASTE OF DEATH before they see Him coming in Matthew 16:28. This cannot refer to the next chapter and the transfiguration, because that was only a week later! The only way that would make sense for Him to speak about the following week, is if the people were so old it would be some who would barely survive the week, or so sick they would barely make the week. The stress was upon some still being alive when that occurred - shall not taste death. This cannot refer to saints being dead and yet in a state of life thousands of years later, as if the coming was thousands of years later, because Jesus said the High Priest would also see that coming - Mat 26:63-64. He would not be in a state of spiritual life thousands of years later!



( Jesus said the very followers He spoke to would not be able to cover Israel before the Son of man be come in Mat 10:23. This is not referring to the church in general, but to the very men He spoke to, because verse 5 distinguishes the words to the 12 He sent forth. Jesus said, "YOU." (The same "YOU" as is throughout Matthew 24:6-2.



(9) Since Matthew 24:2's sign of His coming is the sign when the temple would be destroyed in Mark and Luke, the context restricts the sun and moon changing appearance to that time period. And research into Old Testament references of the same picture show this to have been fulfilled many times, showing us it is figurative of a kingdom collapsing. It was said to have happened when Babylon, Edom and Egypt were destroyed.



(10) The Greek term translated as WORLD in "end of the world" of Matthew 24:3, is AION, from whence we derive the term EON, meaning an AGE -- not the planet.



(11) The greek term for WORLD in Matthew 24:14, "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come," is oikoumene, meaning LAND, or the Roman Empire. We know that it is restricted ot the then-known world, because Paul said this was fulfilled in his day.



quote: Col 1:5-6 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; (6) Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:



(12) Some say Luke 21 speaks of both 70 AD and our future. Luke's own words deny that.



quote: Luk 21:31-32 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. (32) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.



You have to go clear back to Luke 21:6 to know what "THESE THINGS" involves. And they would all occur in one generation. It is not a spiritual generation, as though the entire church age is one generation. Jesus distinguished the generation of Jerusalem in His day from the people's past generations who slew the prophets, by saying THIS generation would be guilty of ALL BLOOD SHED, unlike the past peoples.



Matthew rendered the same words as, "So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Same conversation -- same intention -- same references.



Just my opinion. Can people who disagree at least see WHY I interpret the scriptures in this fashion?



This manner interprets Revelation BY JESUS' OWN WORDS.



What could be worse than Jesus' own Bride, Jerusalem (Ezekiel 16), crucifying Him and calling for Caesar to be her King? In order for the greatest tribulation of all earth's experience to occur in our future, there is going to have to be a worse crime than the cross to yet occur. That is IMPOSSIBLE. Even if an antichrist sits on the throne in a temple in our future, and calls himself GOD, that still would not be worse than what the Jews did in rejecting and crucifying my Lord. The greatest blessing came from the worst crime and sin imaginable. Is God going to judge such an antichrist WORSE than His judgment upon Jerusalem for what THEY did? The punishment of the worst tribulation must fit the crime.



The work of the cross is the CENTRAL POINT of it all! Even all prophecy!


Tropical_Man 66M
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1/16/2012 5:27 am

the Mark of the beast was the name of a Coin that had the divinity of the emperor in it. First they decided in their mind to work for it to pay their daily lives. That was the Mark on the head, then the working was the symbol of the hand, meaning you chose to work in exchange for the coin( Mark of the Beast) its simple


gavinLS 68M
410 posts
1/16/2012 10:43 am

TY Tropic! Long comments, but it was worth reading! I think now people may have a better idea of Preterism. (Maybe I should do a post on the other views? I'm thinking about it. LOL.)

I also especially appreciated the part where it says:

"Just my opinion. Can people who disagree at least see WHY I interpret the scriptures in this fashion?"

Very often when this topic comes up, I hear ppl say "Well, I go by what the Bible says!". They don't realize that all the eschatological views r Biblically based.

Thanks again!


Tropical_Man 66M
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1/17/2012 2:33 am

the bible, all words and scriptures have purpose. Context is everything. Not all scripture is applicable today because one covenant died and another is alive. You cant mix law and grace.