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Walking On Water A priest, an evangelist, and a minister were in a row boat in the middle of a pond fishing. None of them had caught anything all morning. Then the evangelist stands up and says he needs to go to the bathroom so he climbs out of the boat and walks on the water to shore. He comes back ten minutes later the same way. Then the minister decides he needs to go to the bathroom, too, so he climbs out of the boat and walks on the water to shore. He, too, comes back the same way ten minutes later. The priest looks at both of them and decides that his faith is just as strong as his fishing buddies and that he can walk on water, too. He stands up and excuses himself. As he steps out, he makes a big splash down into the water. The evangelist looks at the minister and says,"I suppose we should have told him where the rocks were." |
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8/17/2006 5:56 am |
That's because the evangelist and minister pretty much head in the same direction for Christ. I think the priest must of had to go ask Mary to help him.
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8/17/2006 7:26 am |
That's because the evangelist and minister pretty much head in the same direction for Christ. I think the priest must of had to go ask Mary to help him.
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8/17/2006 11:27 am |
Don't cry. It will be okay.
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8/17/2006 11:30 am |
I am a preacher, not a pastor [though I did used to be for a while]. Hope that removes your doubts and that you actually understand the difference. I would not have any idea about your question. What in the world are you talking about?
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8/17/2006 1:49 pm |
edjehu, I am talking about any pastor/preacher and referencing who is called vs who isn't called. If you think you are called to the work you currently are doing, you are mistaken. That is an awfully bold claim there, sir, especially from someone who has never met me or conversed with me personally. You have also not given Scriptural answer or reason to support such an allegation, sir. I fully know how to tell if any pastor/preacher is called of God to do such work. And I will not share that secret with you. It is in scripture and you must find it on your own. I already know what that is. I have shared that with you before openly ‒ no secrets on my side. I serve an open and public God. My life and ministry is open before the world. Being a Christian is not about secrets. God does not keep things a secret. That is why He gives us believers His Word and the Holy Spirit. “Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay.” [Jeremiah 20:9] “But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.” [Acts 20:24] “For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.” [Romans 11:29] “Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?” [Galatians 4:16] You align yourself with gossip, slander and name calling; you are dead wrong in doing so. And you know it, yet you have not quit. You have done this over a long length of time without true repentence. That makes it iniquity and not just sin, brother. When? Name one time. First, I have never once done gossip here on BC or in life. That is a lie on your part. I have spoken out against it and you know that. Second, I have never slandered anyone on BC or in life. That is a lie on your part. Why would you do that? Third, I have never resorted to name calling on BC or in life. That is a lie on your part. You know how vile that is to me, so I have no idea why you would level such a obvious false allegation. Sir, that is three lies to your account. That makes you a liar in my book. You are the one who has committed the iniquity and sin. Will you now repent before God and apologize to the members of BC for doing the very sins that you have accused me of? You once again can get mad and threaten to bar me as you wish. I am only mad at you for lying and sinning against the Lord and me. I cannot stand liars, especially those who attempt to do it in the name of the Lord like you have done. Why would I “bar” you? What false doctrine are you presenting? I know you are presenting lies, but no false doctrines at this time. I will leave these comments up so that others can see your personality and your spirit of strife/contention, sir. You place yourself on a pedistle while at the same time lower others. So, while I debase myself and exalt Christ, I am guilty of putting myself on a pedestal? You make no sense at all. What in the world are you talking about? Why don't you deal with issue rather than making personal attacks, sir? “He must increase, but I must decrease.” [John 3:30] “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” [Galatians 2:20] You might in some small way know the letter of the word my brother, yet you know not the spirit of the word. You have yet to demonstrate a knowledge of anything about the Word, sir. I have taught and preached and proclaimed on the spirit of the Word on BC and in life. It is shame that you cannot recognize this. It demonstrates a lot about your spiritual condition, sir. I only say these things Brian for the sake of those Lazarus's that are lying at your gate. No, you are saying this for yourself. You crave attention and this is how you are attempting to get it. You want to go out and attack someone with false allegations. You wish to sin against the Lord and His servants. You have my pity and sympathy, sir. I have no need to say them for myself. From one brother to another. If you are saying this, I doubt that you are my brother. A true Christian will not lie like this. It saddens me to have to rebuke you like this, but this passage describes your rant. I will let Jesus rebuke you: “Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.” [John 8:43-45] May God have mercy on your soul, sir. I will be awaiting your apology and repentance, if you are truly born again. This will be a test to see if the Holy Spirit really dwells upon and in you. If you don't, then He doesn't. It will be that simple. Bryan
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8/17/2006 2:11 pm |
edjehu, You still never explained this question, as I asked you in my previous comment to do. Bryan Tell me Brian: How much time transpired following the torching of a Catholic church and the on-set of the tsunami that devastated that entire region?
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8/17/2006 3:01 pm |
edjehu, Also, you may wish to read the following: Anatomy Of A Preacher Biblical Qualifications For Pastorate Have You Ever Been Wrong Window Into My Soul May God have mercy on your soul, sir. Bryan
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8/17/2006 4:39 pm |
lol.....this is so funny!!!! I could say more but I wont, not yet anyway  Netty.  Netty   Lying in bed would be a truely supreme experience if only I had a coloured pencil long enough to draw on the ceiling
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8/17/2006 5:03 pm |
Ed, what's going on here? This was just a simple joke, I don't understand? I don't see this post as being anti anything; just a light hearted joke? I have seen jokes on Bryan's Blog that makes fun of Baptist Preachers. I think you are over reacting here my friend.
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Very clever Bryan..I did like that one
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8/17/2006 6:29 pm |
lol.....this is so funny!!!! I could say more but I wont, not yet anyway Netty. Bryan
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8/17/2006 6:35 pm |
Ed, what's going on here? This was just a simple joke, I don't understand? I don't see this post as being anti anything; just a light hearted joke? I have seen jokes on Bryan's Blog that makes fun of Baptist Preachers. I think you are over reacting here my friend. He has been doing that a lot lately - here and against me on other blogs. Can you shed some light upon why he has been acting like this recently in his posts? Bryan P.S. In case he thinks that you are lying also, here is some of the links to those jokes: Show Tell Wormy Sermon Clergy and Barber Baptist Dog "A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones." [Proverbs 17:22]
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8/17/2006 6:37 pm |
You have known me longer than anyone else here on BC - since 1993, right? You can tell edjehu if I am truly called by God to be a preacher or not. You are a witness to my actual words and actions. Bryan
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8/17/2006 6:38 pm |
Very clever Bryan..I did like that one Bryan
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8/17/2006 6:42 pm |
Rod, It is just a joke, but apparently one doesn't have sense of humor. In the words of a wise friend and brother of mine, he just needs to lighten up a bit! Amen! Bryan "A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones." [Proverbs 17:22]
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8/17/2006 7:44 pm |
Bryan, Sorry, but I have to be perfectly honest. I didnt' think the joke was that funny... because I have heard SEVERAL other preachers use it before! Whatever the issue is here, it's not the joke AT ALL. I unwittingly will venture a guess: One is that you frequently have suggested groups other than your particular church, need to be witnessed to for salvation. Lately, not you but others have taken up the same tune, and gone so far as to say the 'gifts' today are of Satan! (Lord, have mercy on these.) At times when you post you have a slightly veiled yet clearly visible implication, and every time you have been called on it, you say "You misunderstood me." God help me for venturing this guess, because it does not place me well with either of you. Bryan, I pray God may reveal if you somehow 'unknowingly' speak down to others. Edjehu, I pray that if you have wisdom and insight, you would be forthright and specific with the claims made. No more 'hidden knowledge' stuff. We're not all gnostics here. And may God begin to give me the good sense not to rubberneck when I come across the scene of my NEXT bloody 'traffic accident.' "Move along people! Nothing to see here..."
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8/17/2006 8:38 pm |
I don't know about Ed, but I was going to jump all over your case for saying this about JusticeC: "You have sound logic and I like your crack about the traffic problem disappearing real fast...." The guy's logic is far from sound. I think maybe that is what set him off there.
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8/17/2006 11:50 pm |
Don't get your undies in a bundle sis!  I knew what you meant on that post, I was just disappointed you gave that guy credit for being logical. JusticeC has no logic!
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8/18/2006 1:05 am |
Bryan, Sorry, but I have to be perfectly honest. I didnt' think the joke was that funny... because I have heard SEVERAL other preachers use it before! Whatever the issue is here, it's not the joke AT ALL. I unwittingly will venture a guess: One is that you frequently have suggested groups other than your particular church, need to be witnessed to for salvation. Lately, not you but others have taken up the same tune, and gone so far as to say the 'gifts' today are of Satan! (Lord, have mercy on these.) At times when you post you have a slightly veiled yet clearly visible implication, and every time you have been called on it, you say "You misunderstood me." God help me for venturing this guess, because it does not place me well with either of you. Bryan, I pray God may reveal if you somehow 'unknowingly' speak down to others. Edjehu, I pray that if you have wisdom and insight, you would be forthright and specific with the claims made. No more 'hidden knowledge' stuff. We're not all gnostics here. And may God begin to give me the good sense not to rubberneck when I come across the scene of my NEXT bloody 'traffic accident.' "Move along people! Nothing to see here..."
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8/18/2006 1:14 am |
Kristina I would just let it go. Yeah it started out as a joke here and things went haywire. The same Holy Spirit is in all believers. I am just a believer as I believe positions are man made and self appointed.Kristina the Gospel of Jesus is a finished work. It is for everyone. There is so little that we need to understand to walk in God's fullness. I disagree on Bryan on a lot of stuff but I do not doubt his intentions. I know he does not understand God's grace but it is what he has been taught. All of us have been so greatly indoctrinzed at least at some point. Anyone that has Jesus in their heart as a born again believer can minister and walk in any gift. I have walked several times in many gifts but I do not say I have a "position". Positions are for those who would like to think they are special. Seminaries are a sure fire way to learn how to control your flock and fleece them of money. But rarely to help equip a believer in personal dependence on God. I continually hear people misrepresent the Gospel by saying this huge war we have with the "enemy". The enemy was defeated by Jesus. He is an afterthought if a person understands what happened on that cross. His only weapon against the believer is doubt. How are you going to doubt? If you do not have an intimate re;lationship with God. Thats it. Our heiritage as a believer is walking in Blessing walking in Faith Curses broken forever and we can not be cursed if we have received Christ All of Our needs met All of our sin forgiven Healed by his stripes the banquet table of life...a seat for us in this journey If a person thinks they have to do something other than to believe to complete what your needs are, then you do not know what Jesus really did for you...It is that simple. So get off Kristinas back and my suggestion is to forget about these usesless positions and get to know the Fathers heart. Bryan told an old joke Rhonda made fun of it and Ed turned it into something that should have been debated on another thread.Think about that.
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8/18/2006 1:16 am |
Bryan...just let it go....its just peoples opinions.
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8/18/2006 2:55 am |
Ok, do we need to add on to this sandbox now??????? I mean, more people are stopping by every day..... There is barely any room left in here..... BRYAN: Why did you want me to come by here and comment? Did you want me to add my 2 cents in here? I did, see above....
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8/18/2006 2:57 am |
oops. a little bit too big font on that one......
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8/18/2006 2:58 am |
also, why was it not "A RABBI, A PRIEST and A MINISTER"?????
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8/18/2006 3:17 am |
phew, I'm getting a headache trying to READ all this stuff....BRYAN: WHY ON EARTH DID YOU SEND ME OVER HERE AND ASK ME TO COMMENT?????????? I"M CONFUSED>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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8/18/2006 3:41 am |
I know the feeling. I have seen him slander and attack other believers on BC and have held my tongue too. It really saddens me to see him attack so many other believers. It almost seems like the allegations he made against me was more like a confession of his own sins, huh? Bryan
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8/18/2006 3:43 am |
No, you are not wrong this time. I too have publically apologized on BC when I have been wrong. I agree that it is time for him to swallow his pride and do this. Bryan
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8/18/2006 3:47 am |
Bryan, Sorry, but I have to be perfectly honest. I didnt' think the joke was that funny... because I have heard SEVERAL other preachers use it before! Whatever the issue is here, it's not the joke AT ALL. I unwittingly will venture a guess: One is that you frequently have suggested groups other than your particular church, need to be witnessed to for salvation. Lately, not you but others have taken up the same tune, and gone so far as to say the 'gifts' today are of Satan! (Lord, have mercy on these.) At times when you post you have a slightly veiled yet clearly visible implication, and every time you have been called on it, you say "You misunderstood me." God help me for venturing this guess, because it does not place me well with either of you. Bryan, I pray God may reveal if you somehow 'unknowingly' speak down to others. Edjehu, I pray that if you have wisdom and insight, you would be forthright and specific with the claims made. No more 'hidden knowledge' stuff. We're not all gnostics here. And may God begin to give me the good sense not to rubberneck when I come across the scene of my NEXT bloody 'traffic accident.' "Move along people! Nothing to see here..." As you asked, I have asked God to reveal to me if I have been guilty of "speaking down" to others and the Spirit has confirmed to my spirit that I am not guilty of this. Remember that I cannot control how people receive what I speak/write, only on what I say/write. Bryan
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8/18/2006 3:50 am |
That is what all brothers and sisters are supposed to be for. We should be standing up for each other when people attack the body of Christ. Bryan
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8/18/2006 3:53 am |
I don't know about Ed, but I was going to jump all over your case for saying this about JusticeC: "You have sound logic and I like your crack about the traffic problem disappearing real fast...." The guy's logic is far from sound. I think maybe that is what set him off there. This is how conspiracy theories get started. I read one about all the connections between Lincoln and Kennedy. The person put a couple dozen unrelated facts together to create a "picture". The same happened with JusticeC. He is using logic but putting together unrelated facts and coming to a false conclusion. He is starting with an assumption to twist things for his goal. Now, do you understand what our sister meant? Bryan
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8/18/2006 3:56 am |
As God told Moses, "The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law." [Deuteronomy 29:29]
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8/18/2006 4:09 am |
edjehu, I have noticed a few things about you: 1. You have yet to list the unchristian attitudes and behaviors that I have done. Yet, your own words on this blog post demonstrate yours loud and clear. 2. I am not going to get defensive here. I will though point out your error and give you the benefit of the doubt that you are just misunderstanding me. 3. I have NEVER once mocked another person or their beliefs here on BC or in life. You have yet to reveal one actual example. 4. If you want the bickering, slander, degrading, and mocking to end ‒ I encourage you to quit those sins. You are the guilty party, sir, not me. Your comments on this blog post are a perfect example of that. I have also seen you do this on other blogs. Some are coming here to point out your sins, if you haven’t noticed. 5. You make the allegation that I have participated in a demonic attack against the body of Christ, yet you are the one who goes around attacking individual believers. Shame on you for projecting your own guilt on others! You wrote: “Lets put an end to this envy, strife and division and cease from building upon it. What say you?” Is this your attempt to apologize and repent of your sins? You wrote: “If you continue to be so upset with this little thing, how are you going to cope when the darkness really comes to us? Will you submit to what ever He places before you or will you fold and kill?” I am only upset with you sinning against the Lord and the body of Christ by continuing attacking Him and the believers. I am not upset over what you say toward me personally. “…it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.” [Acts 9:5] “…it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.” [Acts 26:14] Shame on you, sir, for claiming to be a Christian and acting on behalf of Satan.
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8/18/2006 4:18 am |
Not going to start fighting with him, but I will defend Christ and the body. As a preacher, that is one of my responsibilities. I don't care what he thinks of me, but I will stand up against his sins against the Lord and the Church. Bryan
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8/18/2006 4:23 am |
Don't worry, you are not the only member of the body of Christ that he has offended. I doubt you will see him repent of his sins against the Lord. I don't know why he is promoting such a spirit of strife and contention in the body. Bryan
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8/18/2006 4:31 am |
Kristina I would just let it go. Yeah it started out as a joke here and things went haywire. The same Holy Spirit is in all believers. I am just a believer as I believe positions are man made and self appointed.Kristina the Gospel of Jesus is a finished work. It is for everyone. There is so little that we need to understand to walk in God's fullness. I disagree on Bryan on a lot of stuff but I do not doubt his intentions. I know he does not understand God's grace but it is what he has been taught. All of us have been so greatly indoctrinzed at least at some point. Anyone that has Jesus in their heart as a born again believer can minister and walk in any gift. I have walked several times in many gifts but I do not say I have a "position". Positions are for those who would like to think they are special. Seminaries are a sure fire way to learn how to control your flock and fleece them of money. But rarely to help equip a believer in personal dependence on God. I continually hear people misrepresent the Gospel by saying this huge war we have with the "enemy". The enemy was defeated by Jesus. He is an afterthought if a person understands what happened on that cross. His only weapon against the believer is doubt. How are you going to doubt? If you do not have an intimate re;lationship with God. Thats it. Our heiritage as a believer is walking in Blessing walking in Faith Curses broken forever and we can not be cursed if we have received Christ All of Our needs met All of our sin forgiven Healed by his stripes the banquet table of life...a seat for us in this journey If a person thinks they have to do something other than to believe to complete what your needs are, then you do not know what Jesus really did for you...It is that simple. So get off Kristinas back and my suggestion is to forget about these usesless positions and get to know the Fathers heart. Bryan told an old joke Rhonda made fun of it and Ed turned it into something that should have been debated on another thread.Think about that. Where am I wrong on the grace of God? Salvation And Works The Doctrine Of Salvation Good works and religion cannot save us If I have been taught wrong, you will have to take it up with my Teacher. I am going by what He has taught me. "For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say." [Luke 12:12] "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." [John 14:25]
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8/18/2006 4:35 am |
Ok, do we need to add on to this sandbox now??????? I mean, more people are stopping by every day..... There is barely any room left in here..... BRYAN: Why did you want me to come by here and comment? Did you want me to add my 2 cents in here? I did, see above....
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8/18/2006 4:37 am |
oops. a little bit too big font on that one...... 
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8/18/2006 4:38 am |
phew, I'm getting a headache trying to READ all this stuff....BRYAN: WHY ON EARTH DID YOU SEND ME OVER HERE AND ASK ME TO COMMENT?????????? I"M CONFUSED>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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8/18/2006 4:39 am |
BRYAN! PLEASE DON'T IGNORE MY QUESTION!!!! WHY DID YOU TELL ME TO COME OVER AND MAKE A COMMENT?????????
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8/18/2006 4:39 am |
Sharloa, I am with you. Dennis and I don't always agree, but he generally avoids personal attacks similar to what Ed has done. Bryan
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8/18/2006 9:53 am |
Ken, This is how conspiracy theories get started. I read one about all the connections between Lincoln and Kennedy. The person put a couple dozen unrelated facts together to create a "picture". The same happened with JusticeC. He is using logic but putting together unrelated facts and coming to a false conclusion. He is starting with an assumption to twist things for his goal. Now, do you understand what our sister meant? Bryan
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8/18/2006 9:56 am |
BRYAN! PLEASE DON'T IGNORE MY QUESTION!!!! WHY DID YOU TELL ME TO COME OVER AND MAKE A COMMENT?????????
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8/18/2006 11:09 am |
Not going to start fighting with him, but I will defend Christ and the body. As a preacher, that is one of my responsibilities. I don't care what he thinks of me, but I will stand up against his sins against the Lord and the Church. Bryan We want to see if you are qualiafied. THanks.GBY.
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8/18/2006 11:13 am |
As a trusted sister in Christ, I wanted you to be a witness to this gentleman's attacks that he has posted on this blog entry and in the blogs of others as he attacks the body of Christ. This is in obedience to what the Holy Spirit had the Apostle Paul write to the church at Rome: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." [Romans 16:17-18] I am still upset about the incident where you emailed me and said a bunch of stuff was said about me but oh, you could not tell me who said it, it was "confidential", clearly lots and lots of gossip tho, you wanted to make sure I knew lots of people were putting me down. I am still upset about that Bryan.
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8/18/2006 11:44 am |
One last thing Bryan, I am noticing that you are going to everyone's blog and telling them to come here and make a comment... WHY?
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8/18/2006 6:49 pm |
I apoligize for the huge font, they need to have a preview page or something.....I need to run a test on it and print it out or something.....and I don't like communicating via typing as 90% of all communication is NON verbal...words on paper can be construed 20 million different ways. "WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG"
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8/18/2006 7:14 pm |
Brothers and Sisters of our Lord Jesus Christ, this has been an interesting month God be glorified over all else I am not a perfect judge of character, unfortunately I thought I knew a LOT more than I in fact do I thought especially being a biblical studies student and psychology major, that I have a pretty good understanding of people yet, I am wrong sometimes...in HUGE WAYS ergo, I wouldn't have this stupid weakness when it comes to my ex fiance who dumped my butt last night for not checking his voicemail enough...but y'all know there was much more that was behind the scenes, unconscious and undercurrents...fear of intimacy...FEAR. *long sigh* We are human, afterall. Okay, so we know as a prerequisite, I am quite simple and exceedingly naive. I admit to being selfish at times, biased when I hear something with my friends or family...and have a temper and sass the likes y'all would not believe. I am God's precious, too. He LOVES me...I mean loves me. In that knowledge comes confidence in who I am...who He made me to be. YES!!! I'm going somewhere with this, my bretheren I was talking to God about Solomon today, for I was upset that the wisest "man" to ever live, ended up saying all was vanity, vanity (Ecc. 1:2). I mean, jeez louise, the wisest man to ever live and he's the most depressing man of God in the bible...makes me want to wring his neck for being so danged depressing. Hope is what drives us as human beings and without hope, we stagnate...waiting to die. Yet, his being so *making scrunched up face* negative reminds me that God loves us for our imperfections, too. HE MADE US...DESIGNED US...SCULPTS US...LOVES WHO WE ARE (mostly). Regarding this argument, I know it could get uglier and in my very humble opinion needs to simply rest in peace. peace, my Brothers and Sisters. Be about our Father's business, my friends...my loves. Please. We each were designed for different things by our Father in heaven. I COULD BE WRONG...but these are my perceptions: Some (like Ken), He designed to be like Peter (the Rock)...the watchdog of the faith...the fierce protector of the sheep. Ken is doing what God designed him to do...as our brother, a human. Some, like Ed and Heart, He made to interceed for others...often assigning them urgent prayer requests, fighting things from a spiritual realm...Prayer Warriors. God put them together for such a time as this...for together, they can do more for our God than apart. Yet, they are human, too. We all are. Bryan was designed by God to mentor others in the faith, with traditional scriptural tutilage and knowledge. (I love you Brother, but will say my peace...in all love). I have noticed Bryan can seem to come across that he knows more than others, but please remember this is an internet setting. It's not the best for seeing the human-ness and kindless in gestures, eye contact, body language, timber of voice). I ask that you look past that and see him the way God does...an obedient follower of Jesus Christ, with a heart to teach others the Word, desiring to mentor others in the Word. NONE OF US PERFECT, NONE OF US. WE EACH HAVE OUR PLACE IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. God is VERY balanced, too. There will never be too much of any one part. God knows what He's doing, my friends, my brothers, my sisters. I earnestly petition you to mentally hug each other as Brothers and Sisters in one God...one Body, knowing that well, we won't all get along. We are all SO DIFFERENT; different cultures, backgrounds, knowledge, experiences...VASTLY DIFFERENT. Yet, not ONE person better or less in God's eyes. He sees us as a family and we're not honoring Him in this infighting...please, I'm speaking what I fervently believe to be true. LOVE EACH OTHER and while you're at it, could you love a bit extra on me right now? I'm LOUDLY & obviously in deficit right now your sister in Christ, Cheryl
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8/18/2006 10:34 pm |
Brothers and Sisters of our Lord Jesus Christ, this has been an interesting month God be glorified over all else I am not a perfect judge of character, unfortunately I thought I knew a LOT more than I in fact do I thought especially being a biblical studies student and psychology major, that I have a pretty good understanding of people yet, I am wrong sometimes...in HUGE WAYS ergo, I wouldn't have this stupid weakness when it comes to my ex fiance who dumped my butt last night for not checking his voicemail enough...but y'all know there was much more that was behind the scenes, unconscious and undercurrents...fear of intimacy...FEAR. *long sigh* We are human, afterall. Okay, so we know as a prerequisite, I am quite simple and exceedingly naive. I admit to being selfish at times, biased when I hear something with my friends or family...and have a temper and sass the likes y'all would not believe. I am God's precious, too. He LOVES me...I mean loves me. In that knowledge comes confidence in who I am...who He made me to be. YES!!! I'm going somewhere with this, my bretheren I was talking to God about Solomon today, for I was upset that the wisest "man" to ever live, ended up saying all was vanity, vanity (Ecc. 1:2). I mean, jeez louise, the wisest man to ever live and he's the most depressing man of God in the bible...makes me want to wring his neck for being so danged depressing. Hope is what drives us as human beings and without hope, we stagnate...waiting to die. Yet, his being so *making scrunched up face* negative reminds me that God loves us for our imperfections, too. HE MADE US...DESIGNED US...SCULPTS US...LOVES WHO WE ARE (mostly). Regarding this argument, I know it could get uglier and in my very humble opinion needs to simply rest in peace. peace, my Brothers and Sisters. Be about our Father's business, my friends...my loves. Please. We each were designed for different things by our Father in heaven. I COULD BE WRONG...but these are my perceptions: Some (like Ken), He designed to be like Peter (the Rock)...the watchdog of the faith...the fierce protector of the sheep. Ken is doing what God designed him to do...as our brother, a human. Some, like Ed and Heart, He made to interceed for others...often assigning them urgent prayer requests, fighting things from a spiritual realm...Prayer Warriors. God put them together for such a time as this...for together, they can do more for our God than apart. Yet, they are human, too. We all are. Bryan was designed by God to mentor others in the faith, with traditional scriptural tutilage and knowledge. (I love you Brother, but will say my peace...in all love). I have noticed Bryan can seem to come across that he knows more than others, but please remember this is an internet setting. It's not the best for seeing the human-ness and kindless in gestures, eye contact, body language, timber of voice). I ask that you look past that and see him the way God does...an obedient follower of Jesus Christ, with a heart to teach others the Word, desiring to mentor others in the Word. NONE OF US PERFECT, NONE OF US. WE EACH HAVE OUR PLACE IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. God is VERY balanced, too. There will never be too much of any one part. God knows what He's doing, my friends, my brothers, my sisters. I earnestly petition you to mentally hug each other as Brothers and Sisters in one God...one Body, knowing that well, we won't all get along. We are all SO DIFFERENT; different cultures, backgrounds, knowledge, experiences...VASTLY DIFFERENT. Yet, not ONE person better or less in God's eyes. He sees us as a family and we're not honoring Him in this infighting...please, I'm speaking what I fervently believe to be true. LOVE EACH OTHER and while you're at it, could you love a bit extra on me right now? I'm LOUDLY & obviously in deficit right now your sister in Christ, Cheryl I'm sorry for the pain you feel right now, but I am certai the Lord allowed you to dodge a bullet there. Much better to find that out now. I ahve a friend who has all sorts of psychological training and last I saw her I think she was raising the Anti-Christ! There is much much more to life than book knowledge. This is a big part of what Solomon was saying. For 99% of the book which represents his life things look horrible and depressing. This is because in all this he was looking to his own attained wisdom. In the end he comes to realize that after all human efforts, we fall miserably short. "Love God and enjoy the days you are given on this earth..." and recognize you do not, will not and CANNOT know everything. With this simple admission comes peace and comfort. Let God be God! And forgive me, but though it sounds good to drop everything, part of the reason these troubles go in cycles as some have told me is that several are sitting on things they need to say. Some are not being open in the way they communicate. But everyone (including me) needs to pray before we hit the send button. Bryan, I have to agree with you on something first. You said something about being able to find several instances where ed has clearly crossed wires with someone. I agree! And the reason is that when he is irritated, he is straightforward and blatantly honest, even if he is angry. You are much more subtle and crafty. The first post I responded to you on was in regard to charismatics and the post clearly inferred the majority were deceived and needed Christ. When I took it personally (though I am not charismatic) and went after you, you at one point said I was "full of vile..." Your education without question allows you to know the use of the word vile there does not fit. The word BILE on the other hand fits perfectly, and that was a very clever way of saying I was full of s***! Deny it if you will, but it seems quite obvious. Your knowledge of English is better than that feinged ignorance. Here, you have quoted to edjehu ..one should not kick against the "pricks" and for some reason you felt the need to quote two references on 'pricks' using the exact same words. On this post, you simply made a joke, but edjehu it seems, was holding back for some time. On a recent post with Kristina, when she called you on something, you wound up for a time causing her to feel she misunderstood you and should apologize. You were the one who should have apologized in that instance! As I do not have the gift of negotiating around BC like others, locate, repost, etc. I cannot cite all things. Perhaps she can repost this if you deny it. One thing I can do, is to copy this post and save it, just in case it is deleted later. The reason I asked earlier for you to pray is that possibly through gentle suggestion you might be more open to new insights. But it seems in the past no matter how many people tell you in numerous ways, you are oblivious to the way your own postings offend people. It is honestly, truthfully VERY DIFFICULT to believe that someone as intelligent as you could not know what he has done in the past. Causing so much hurt. I believe you are in severe denial! And it is a spiritual matter. I swear to you I am not saying this to be mean. Edjehu and I may be fighting next week, but at least I will know that I am in a fight. To be jabbed and poked from behind and never see the guy punching you, that is the stuff of which riots are made. Please pray more! Kristina has mentioned your posts have become much more friendly , understanding, etc. I wholeheartedly agree. And I believe part of what ed is jumping on you for has not even come from you lately. I know the one behind all of this has none of our best interests in mind. And most of us here have been unwitting pawns of the devil as we claim the name of Christ! I am not good at chess, and doubt I have the ability to play poker well. Let's be willing to slooowly lay everything out on the table... in fairness and love, and only after we have laid it at our Lord's feet.
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8/18/2006 10:37 pm |
P.S. The "move along..." light joke tactic apparently did not work. (SIGH) People can't move forward if they are still dealing with past hurts.
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8/19/2006 3:53 am |
BRYAN! PLEASE DON'T IGNORE MY QUESTION!!!! WHY DID YOU TELL ME TO COME OVER AND MAKE A COMMENT?????????
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8/19/2006 3:56 am |
Bryan, I knew exactly what are sister meant. I just didn't like her giving JusticeC undue credit for "Sound logic". YIKES!!!!
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8/19/2006 4:01 am |
Bryan, I have an idea. Since you put so much value on ministerial licenses and credentials, WHERE IS YOURS AT? We want to see if you are qualiafied. THanks.GBY. As Paul said about being all things for all people, the Lord has allowed me to earn a Adult Bible Study Certificate, a Bachelor of Biblical Studies, and a Master of Biblical Studies. In addition to that, I was ordained under the authority of a local church [not a man-made denomination] as is required by the Bible [e.g. Paul's commandment to Timothy and Titus]. I hope that helps. God bless.
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8/19/2006 4:03 am |
One last thing Bryan, I am noticing that you are going to everyone's blog and telling them to come here and make a comment... WHY?
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8/19/2006 4:04 am |
I apoligize for the huge font, they need to have a preview page or something.....I need to run a test on it and print it out or something.....and I don't like communicating via typing as 90% of all communication is NON verbal...words on paper can be construed 20 million different ways. "WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG" "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." [2 John 10-11]
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8/19/2006 4:13 am |
well, to be quite honest here Bryan, I tend to agree with him.....sorry, but I've seen SO MUCH STRIFE AND DIVISION in your blog here and you keep insisting you are so qualified to be doing this and it seems well, to me, that nobody is as qualified as you claim to be....it is almost as if you are the only one and that is it...nothing else seems to matter. I am still upset about the incident where you emailed me and said a bunch of stuff was said about me but oh, you could not tell me who said it, it was "confidential", clearly lots and lots of gossip tho, you wanted to make sure I knew lots of people were putting me down. I am still upset about that Bryan. Regarding the email, the person who started sending me those emails told me a while back that the two of you settled your difference and I am going to leave it at that. I am not dragging that up again. And no, I am not going to break confidence just so I can get involved in the sin of gossip. I would think you have more respect than to get me to sin.
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8/19/2006 4:21 am |
Mom4Jesus, I'm sorry for the pain you feel right now, but I am certai the Lord allowed you to dodge a bullet there. Much better to find that out now. I ahve a friend who has all sorts of psychological training and last I saw her I think she was raising the Anti-Christ! There is much much more to life than book knowledge. This is a big part of what Solomon was saying. For 99% of the book which represents his life things look horrible and depressing. This is because in all this he was looking to his own attained wisdom. In the end he comes to realize that after all human efforts, we fall miserably short. "Love God and enjoy the days you are given on this earth..." and recognize you do not, will not and CANNOT know everything. With this simple admission comes peace and comfort. Let God be God! And forgive me, but though it sounds good to drop everything, part of the reason these troubles go in cycles as some have told me is that several are sitting on things they need to say. Some are not being open in the way they communicate. But everyone (including me) needs to pray before we hit the send button. Bryan, I have to agree with you on something first. You said something about being able to find several instances where ed has clearly crossed wires with someone. I agree! And the reason is that when he is irritated, he is straightforward and blatantly honest, even if he is angry. You are much more subtle and crafty. The first post I responded to you on was in regard to charismatics and the post clearly inferred the majority were deceived and needed Christ. When I took it personally (though I am not charismatic) and went after you, you at one point said I was "full of vile..." Your education without question allows you to know the use of the word vile there does not fit. The word BILE on the other hand fits perfectly, and that was a very clever way of saying I was full of s***! Deny it if you will, but it seems quite obvious. Your knowledge of English is better than that feinged ignorance. Here, you have quoted to edjehu ..one should not kick against the "pricks" and for some reason you felt the need to quote two references on 'pricks' using the exact same words. On this post, you simply made a joke, but edjehu it seems, was holding back for some time. On a recent post with Kristina, when she called you on something, you wound up for a time causing her to feel she misunderstood you and should apologize. You were the one who should have apologized in that instance! As I do not have the gift of negotiating around BC like others, locate, repost, etc. I cannot cite all things. Perhaps she can repost this if you deny it. One thing I can do, is to copy this post and save it, just in case it is deleted later. The reason I asked earlier for you to pray is that possibly through gentle suggestion you might be more open to new insights. But it seems in the past no matter how many people tell you in numerous ways, you are oblivious to the way your own postings offend people. It is honestly, truthfully VERY DIFFICULT to believe that someone as intelligent as you could not know what he has done in the past. Causing so much hurt. I believe you are in severe denial! And it is a spiritual matter. I swear to you I am not saying this to be mean. Edjehu and I may be fighting next week, but at least I will know that I am in a fight. To be jabbed and poked from behind and never see the guy punching you, that is the stuff of which riots are made. Please pray more! Kristina has mentioned your posts have become much more friendly , understanding, etc. I wholeheartedly agree. And I believe part of what ed is jumping on you for has not even come from you lately. I know the one behind all of this has none of our best interests in mind. And most of us here have been unwitting pawns of the devil as we claim the name of Christ! I am not good at chess, and doubt I have the ability to play poker well. Let's be willing to slooowly lay everything out on the table... in fairness and love, and only after we have laid it at our Lord's feet. Kristina and I have made peace. There is no reason for you to attempt to start a fight here. There are times here on BC that I have apologized publically to others when I have been wrong. There is three things I have realized here on BC: 1. If I post discussions that are totally Biblical and no personal opinion interjected, people will get upset and angry with me. 2. If I post my personal testimony and share parts of my life, people will get upset and angry with me. 3. If I post jokes and lighthearted things, people will get upset and angry with me. In other words, no matter what I post here, there is going to be people who take it the wrong way. And no, I WILL NOT MAKE THESE POST ANY FRIENDLIER. There is no way to do that other than to communicate in person, face to face. Here is an impersonal setting and it is impossible to get any friendly than I have been. It is truly heartbreaking when I see how people reject the Word of God and think that I have posted my opinion.
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8/19/2006 4:28 am |
HERE IS MY CHALLENGE FOR ALL THAT COME HERE TO READ THIS: Will you please take and read my posts for what they are and not make assumptions about them? If you try to read between the lines with me, you will find nothing there. What I say is what I say. I don't infer things. I am not subtil. If you cannot understand that [or don't have a sense of humor], then you probably will get offended by what I post. Bryan
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8/19/2006 2:47 pm |
Bryan, I have seen few (if any)here who post more interpretation than you. Most of us realize intereptation is involved with any presentation. Acts 8:30-31. 'Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. "Do you understand what you are reading?" Philip asked. "HOW CAN I," he said, "UNLESS SOMEONE EXPLAINS IT TO ME?" So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.' The reason the harsh and critical responses come at every turn is in part because you are the ONLY ONE in BC I have ever heard say he does not interpret! If it is ALL scripture, as you say, I will buy you a copy of the Bible on Cd, and you can post your hearts delight if you never post another single word. You would be amazed how the criticisms would fall off! But you will not do this. The words demand interpretation. Call it explanation.. godly wisdom.. whatever.. It is YOUR interpretation of 'explanation and godly wisdom.' I believe this is what FaithGirl is so upset about. It is a shame that there was this reaction to what in this case was a simple jest, but ed's reaction had nothing to do with the joke. This clearly goes back. And though I believe you have attempted to build bridges lately, others have become even more inflammatory of those who do not believe just as they do. The reaction here is not completely unlike a soldier coming out of battle. Once you are conditioned to respond quickly and attck before you are hit, you bring that back to civilian life. Many of us are shell-shocked. I wish you and Ed peace.
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8/19/2006 6:12 pm |
LOL! That is a funny statement! No, never had the priviledge of meeting him. Have listened to some tapes and read some of his sermon transcripts, though.
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8/19/2006 6:18 pm |
Bryan, I have seen few (if any)here who post more interpretation than you. Most of us realize intereptation is involved with any presentation. Acts 8:30-31. 'Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. "Do you understand what you are reading?" Philip asked. "HOW CAN I," he said, "UNLESS SOMEONE EXPLAINS IT TO ME?" So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.' The reason the harsh and critical responses come at every turn is in part because you are the ONLY ONE in BC I have ever heard say he does not interpret! If it is ALL scripture, as you say, I will buy you a copy of the Bible on Cd, and you can post your hearts delight if you never post another single word. You would be amazed how the criticisms would fall off! But you will not do this. The words demand interpretation. Call it explanation.. godly wisdom.. whatever.. It is YOUR interpretation of 'explanation and godly wisdom.' I believe this is what FaithGirl is so upset about. It is a shame that there was this reaction to what in this case was a simple jest, but ed's reaction had nothing to do with the joke. This clearly goes back. And though I believe you have attempted to build bridges lately, others have become even more inflammatory of those who do not believe just as they do. The reaction here is not completely unlike a soldier coming out of battle. Once you are conditioned to respond quickly and attck before you are hit, you bring that back to civilian life. Many of us are shell-shocked. I wish you and Ed peace. I have a copy of the Bible on CD. I have found here on BC that I get the most inflamatory comments when I only post Scripture. That doesn't surprise me.
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8/19/2006 6:21 pm |
Exactly, it is the role of the Holy Spirit to interpret Scriptures. Amen! Not us!
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8/19/2006 6:26 pm |
Ed, I have no idea what you are ranting about. I have friends and family who are Catholic. I know Cathoics who are saved and I know Catholics who are lost, just like I know Baptists who are saved and Baptists who are lost. You will not find one ounce of hatred in me toward Cathoics. Please tell me how you were able to come to this conclusion about me from a joke? Bryan P.S. When you say, "The lies, exaggerations, the solicitations, the gossiping, the slandering, the persecution, oppression and etc do not phase me one bit." Are you referring to the sins that you are committing here and on other blogs?
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8/19/2006 9:50 pm |
There! It's done with, let it go! Both of you! Bryan, you said your peace and Ed said his. This has gone on long enough. Ed makes some good points that you just need to think about Bryan, and not respond to. Let it go. Let it go. Let it go.
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8/19/2006 9:54 pm |
Please, don't feed this post anymore! It is done with! Anything beyond what has been said, will just be the flesh speaking. Sin!
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8/20/2006 3:49 am |
Please, don't feed this post anymore! It is done with! Anything beyond what has been said, will just be the flesh speaking. Sin! Ed has made a few more false assumptions in most recent post. 1. I am a standard member and cannot send emails to others. They have to write me first. 2. The fact that I contacted others was not to invite them to join the "battle" but to act as witnesses as Jesus commanded - "But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established." [Matthew 18:16] Nothing more, nothing less. It is sad that he doesn't want to deal with the truth. I even went to his and his wife's blogs to post comments of a friendly nature to try to get off this subject. You are more than welcome to go there and see for yourself. I will open Jesus when it come to Ed and these slanderous attacks: "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, ...shake off the dust of your feet." [Matthew 10:14] "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them..." [Mark 6:11] I will not delete this blog entry or the comments. Instead, I will leave it up as a testimony to the fact of the sins that Ed has done [not against me] but against the body of Christ as well as a testimony to the fact that I have been nothing but cordial and friendly to him. I have made the attempt to clear this up, in case this was just a misunderstanding. He has chosen not to receive the truth. So be it. That is his decision and now must live with it. In the words of WalkingMan: "MOVE ALONG, FOLKS! NOTHING TO SEE HERE!" So, I ask no one else to add wood to this fire [i.e. encourage his rants]. Thank you. Bryan
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8/20/2006 5:39 am |
Ed, Please read my comments in [post 39875] I forgive you. Bryan
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8/20/2006 12:12 pm |
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8/20/2006 6:10 pm |
Ed, You wrote: "Brian, the Joke was a joke and the Mary part was distasteful." Problem with your assumption - I didn't say anything about Mary. That was Ken. Regarding your unprovoked attacks, I forgive you. Bryan
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8/20/2006 10:30 pm |
Good Grief! And this all started because I said the priest had to go ask Mary? If that is disrespectful, then what do you call exalting Mary beyond veneration to deity? Catholics do it every day and I don't see you attacking them. You need to get a grip Ed! This is ridiculous. You may as well be saying these things to me because I am the one who said it. The joke was meant to point out the heresy of Mary as THE interceder between God and his children. It was not disrespectful at all. Question: Why couldn't Ed come out and play? Answer: Maybe he had to go ask Rhonda. Gees, does that sound disrespectful to Rhonda? Of course not! Then why are you making an issue out of nothing? Mary is our Lord's mother and ALL of us venerate her. There was nothing said that deserves this constant bickering over the issue. For you to accuse us of disrespect is nothing less than what you accuse Bryan of doing in other post! What gives you the right? You and Bryan both are two of the most stubborn people I have ever met!
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8/20/2006 10:38 pm |
Another thing Ed: You really do need to apologize to Bryan for questioning his calling! That was uncalled for based on this 'Mary' issue!
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8/21/2006 3:28 am |
Another thing Ed: You really do need to apologize to Bryan for questioning his calling! That was uncalled for based on this 'Mary' issue! Let it go. I have forgiven Ed and moved on. The Lord will handle him. Can you imagine if someone actually did attack what he believed how he may handle it? Just something to consider as we end this conversation. Bryan
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8/21/2006 12:02 pm |
Ed, Get over yourself. I wasn't referring to you. I forgave you. Now, move on and quit trying to start a fight. Bryan
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8/21/2006 3:38 pm |
Hey all.... I don't know whom here has ever taken college level communications classes, I have, but that is not the point here... I want to share something here that I keep mentioning and I've not heard many here discuss it, so I am starting a discussion here... Please note that any name calling will be deleted, I won't have that on my blog. Did you realize that scientific studies have concluded that 83-90% of ALL COMMUNICATION is NON VERBAL????? I also read an article today that said there is such a term as "COMMUNICATION DISABLED". Well, since most communication is non-verbal and we can't even participate in nonverbal communication here, because these are typed words.... WELL, GUESS WHAT??????? WE ARE ALL COMMUNICATION DISABLED HERE.... THAT MEANS ALL OF US.......... YOU, ME, HE, SHE, WE, THEY, THEM, US, and EVERYONE ELSE TOO!!!!!!!!!! So...... LET US BE CARING AND LOVING AND FORGIVING AND PATIENT AND LONGSUFFERING WITH ONE ANOTHER....... AMEN???????
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8/21/2006 5:49 pm |
Hey all.... I don't know whom here has ever taken college level communications classes, I have, but that is not the point here... I want to share something here that I keep mentioning and I've not heard many here discuss it, so I am starting a discussion here... Please note that any name calling will be deleted, I won't have that on my blog. Did you realize that scientific studies have concluded that 83-90% of ALL COMMUNICATION is NON VERBAL????? I also read an article today that said there is such a term as "COMMUNICATION DISABLED". Well, since most communication is non-verbal and we can't even participate in nonverbal communication here, because these are typed words.... WELL, GUESS WHAT??????? WE ARE ALL COMMUNICATION DISABLED HERE.... THAT MEANS ALL OF US.......... YOU, ME, HE, SHE, WE, THEY, THEM, US, and EVERYONE ELSE TOO!!!!!!!!!! So...... LET US BE CARING AND LOVING AND FORGIVING AND PATIENT AND LONGSUFFERING WITH ONE ANOTHER....... AMEN???????
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8/22/2006 4:00 am |
FaithGirl4Him2, May I give you two things to consider? Not wanting to fight with you over this, just giving you some food for thought. First, "negative" statements are not always negative. Many people get hung up on how negative the Bible is with the "Thou shalt not" commandments. But behind every negative is two positives. God did this for our provision and protection. Sometimes we need to give negative statements for the same purpose. Second, name-calling is not a sin. Jesus did it. John the Baptist did it. The O.T. prophets did it. And the list could go on. If it was a sin, then Jesus was not a perfect sacrifice for my sins and I am still doomed for Hell. It is nice to be polite and cordial, but this is not always the best way. We should not limited ourselves from being more direct from time to time. That is Biblical. Bryan
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8/23/2006 12:12 pm |
To whom are you referring?
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8/24/2006 3:08 pm |
well ok mr worm..... I am talking about inerpersonal relationships, not GOd talking to us threw His word..... that is what I was talking about....most human to human communication is nonverbal...to be totally effective and understood.....but you can disagree with me, its ok...you were nice about it, anyway.....
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8/24/2006 3:09 pm |
*threw=through
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8/25/2006 2:48 am |
I have had a few communication and speech classes, especially due to having learning disabilities [i.e. speech impediments] so I understand what she is saying. I personally think she is talking about when we talk to a person face to face. But I also agree with you that sin is what has caused us to misunderstand far more than techniques. Due to sin, we are imperfect in how we express ourselves and we are imperfect at understanding others. Bryan
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8/25/2006 3:38 am |
well ok mr worm..... I am talking about inerpersonal relationships, not GOd talking to us threw His word..... that is what I was talking about....most human to human communication is nonverbal...to be totally effective and understood.....but you can disagree with me, its ok...you were nice about it, anyway.....Bryan
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8/25/2006 6:09 pm |
All this over a joke huh...... oh wow man, Im going to be burnt if Ed ever reads my posts ! no wonder Jesus sometimes cries when He looks at our hearts. can we all just kiss and make up ? that would be nice. And yeahhh, I know everyone has probably heard this ad-nauseum... but...... just to remind myself and anyone else who reads this.... "I asked Jesus, how much do you love me.... ......."This much" He replied.... and stretched out His arms... .... and died ". May God's grace, His Love and His Mercy find favour in our hearts. We are all brothers and sisters, through Him who stretched out His arms. ~ contending for the truth ~ ...eli...
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8/25/2006 7:00 pm |
eli_777, No, we are not all brothers and sisters. Don't forget that God has warned us that there are false brethren or Christians among us. [Matthew 13:24-30; 25:1-12; 2 Corinthians 11:26; Galatians 2:4] Bryan
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8/27/2006 3:40 am |
eli_777, No, we are not all brothers and sisters. Don't forget that God has warned us that there are false brethren or Christians among us. [Matthew 13:24-30; 25:1-12; 2 Corinthians 11:26; Galatians 2:4] Bryan Am I your sister ? Are you my brother ? I once did not believe in Jesus, and His Power from heaven I do now. Do you ? Are we brothers and sisters ? There will surely be false brethren or christians yes. Shall I point the finger at you and call you false, not a brother ? Will you dare to point the finger at me and call me a false sister ? Who is the judge ? Jesus Christ is the judge. Our Father, is the judge. Be careful to whom we point our fingers when we condemn them as not being a brother or sister in Christ. Because, someone could point that finger at us...me...or you..... and wouldnt it hurt, wouldnt it. Because, YOU know your heart, and so does the Lord Jesus. And I know my heart, and so does the Lord Jesus. If this be true for you and for me...... it may well be true for other people whom apparently show no 'fruit'....... not to our naked eyes anyway. ~ contending for the truth ~ ...eli...
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8/27/2006 4:26 am |
Who are you? If you are saved, you are commanded to exercise Biblical judgment [a.k.a. discernment]. Here are ten Biblical evidences or "fruits" that God gives us: Here are ten things that should be found in the life of every true born again believer: 1. View him/herself only as a sinner saved by grace ‒ not sinless perfect (Romans 3:10-11, 23; 1 John 1:  2. Attempting to live by the Word of God rather than personal preference (Romans 3:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 1 John 2:5) 3. Not attracted to earthly “treasures”, styles, or fads (Romans 12:1-2; 1 John 2:15) 4. Faithful member of a local Bible-believing congregation (Psalm 122:1; Hebrews 10:25; 1 John 2:19) 5. Looking forward to the Second Coming of Christ and living accordingly (Matthew 25:1-13; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 John 3:2-3) 6. While we will stumble, we will not continually living in sin (Romans 7:14-25; 1 John 3:6, 9; 5:1 7. True brotherly love being demonstrated, not just said (John 13:34-35; 1 John 3:14-1 8. Prayers being answered due to living in the will of God (Matthew 7  ; Luke 11:9; John 15; 1 John 3:22)9. Practicing spiritual discernment between truth and fiction, good and evil (1 Thessalonians 5:21-22; 1 John 4:1) 10. Aware of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit(Romans 8:15-16; Ephesians 1:13; 5:18; 1 John 4:13) This should be used for various aspects of our life since we are prohibited from having relationships with the lost. [Deuteronomy 7:2-6; Psalm 1:1; 2 Corinthians 6:14-17] I hope that helps. Bryan
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8/27/2006 7:34 am |
Who are you? If you are saved, you are commanded to exercise Biblical judgment [a.k.a. discernment]. Here are ten Biblical evidences or "fruits" that God gives us: Here are ten things that should be found in the life of every true born again believer: 1. View him/herself only as a sinner saved by grace ‒ not sinless perfect (Romans 3:10-11, 23; 1 John 1: 2. Attempting to live by the Word of God rather than personal preference (Romans 3:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 1 John 2:5) 3. Not attracted to earthly “treasures”, styles, or fads (Romans 12:1-2; 1 John 2:15) 4. Faithful member of a local Bible-believing congregation (Psalm 122:1; Hebrews 10:25; 1 John 2:19) 5. Looking forward to the Second Coming of Christ and living accordingly (Matthew 25:1-13; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 John 3:2-3) 6. While we will stumble, we will not continually living in sin (Romans 7:14-25; 1 John 3:6, 9; 5:1 7. True brotherly love being demonstrated, not just said (John 13:34-35; 1 John 3:14-1 8. Prayers being answered due to living in the will of God (Matthew 7 ; Luke 11:9; John 15; 1 John 3:22)9. Practicing spiritual discernment between truth and fiction, good and evil (1 Thessalonians 5:21-22; 1 John 4:1) 10. Aware of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit(Romans 8:15-16; Ephesians 1:13; 5:18; 1 John 4:13) This should be used for various aspects of our life since we are prohibited from having relationships with the lost. [Deuteronomy 7:2-6; Psalm 1:1; 2 Corinthians 6:14-17] I hope that helps. Bryan Jesus had "relationships with the lost" and got blasted for it.....remember? Do you remember that Bryan? Oh Vey.....#-0
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8/27/2006 7:49 am |
I do hope it helps you too dear Brother of mine, Bryan ***This should be used for various aspects of our life since we are prohibited from having relationships with the lost. [Deuteronomy 7:2-6; Psalm 1:1; 2 Corinthians 6:14-17]*** Well......... there goes my mum. I thank God, He still reaches out to her....even if I am prohibited. God bless you Bryan. aka M.O.F. Please pray for my mum. She needs Jesus. ~ contending for the truth ~ ...eli...
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8/28/2006 3:24 am |
We are PROHIBITED from having relationships with the Lost? You are sounding like a Pharisee here, Bryan. Jesus had "relationships with the lost" and got blasted for it.....remember? Do you remember that Bryan? Oh Vey.....#-0
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8/28/2006 3:30 am |
I do hope it helps you too dear Brother of mine, Bryan ***This should be used for various aspects of our life since we are prohibited from having relationships with the lost. [Deuteronomy 7:2-6; Psalm 1:1; 2 Corinthians 6:14-17]*** Well......... there goes my mum. I thank God, He still reaches out to her....even if I am prohibited. God bless you Bryan. aka M.O.F. Please pray for my mum. She needs Jesus. 2. What does M.O.F. mean? I have had family members like that too. It took breaking fellowship before they came under God's conviction. I have seen that in other families. God's conviction about salvation is many times ignored when they are comfortable in their relationships.
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8/28/2006 4:27 am |
bsk............ please go read some of my blogs. then you might know some stuff about M.O.F and perhaps stop assuming things. It should help you. God bless you BROTHER. hugsss ~ contending for the truth ~ ...eli...
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8/28/2006 4:43 am |
No, Jesus didn't sin like that. He took the Gospel to them, just like I do. There is a big difference. He went to eat with them for the purpose of saving their souls, not for fellowship. Too many Christians today would go just for the meal and to forge friendships. That is the difference and the sin that God clearly prohibits in the Bible. Do you see the difference? Jesus did not take the gospel like you do.......... hopefully, you might just take the gospel to others like HE DID. You got it the wrong way round bro...... Please answer me one question if you may Bryan........ why did Jesus come ? Do you really know ? Have you met Jesus ? You really should read my blog. At least try. You are the only person Ive ever said to on BC "you really should read my blog"...usually, Im not that brave. Pray about it anyway, and see if God might lead you to. ............ gets matches ready............ burn, baby burn. ~ contending for the truth ~ ...eli...
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8/28/2006 4:46 am |
1. How was that supposed to help me? The explanation was for you? 2. What does M.O.F. mean? I have had family members like that too. It took breaking fellowship before they came under God's conviction. I have seen that in other families. God's conviction about salvation is many times ignored when they are comfortable in their relationships. ........... have you started praying for my mum yet ? I would so much appreciate it. God bless you BROTHER. ~ contending for the truth ~ ...eli...
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8/28/2006 5:14 am |
Dearest Brother of Mine, Bryan......... Jesus did not take the gospel like you do.......... hopefully, you might just take the gospel to others like HE DID. You got it the wrong way round bro...... Please answer me one question if you may Bryan........ why did Jesus come ? Do you really know ? Have you met Jesus ? You really should read my blog. At least try. You are the only person Ive ever said to on BC "you really should read my blog"...usually, Im not that brave. Pray about it anyway, and see if God might lead you to. ............ gets matches ready............ burn, baby burn. Do you mean that I am not taking the Gospel to the lost as commanded in Proverbs 11:30, Matthew 4:19, Matthew 28:19-20, Mark 16:15, Acts 1:8, Acts 5:45, and other similar verses found throughout the Bible? When have you met me to know about my street preaching, door-to-door soul winning, tracts, Scripture magnets, Gospel strength demonstration, and other means of sharing the Gospel? So, the hundreds that I have been blessed with the opportunity to lead to Christ should go back to being lost? Is that what you are saying? Tell me how my obedience to Jesus and the Bible causes me to have this backwards? Are you obeying the Biblical commandment of soul winning and boldly sharing the Gospel on a daily basis? Have I met Jesus? If you read my testimony that I have posted here previously, you would know that this happened March 2, 1980. Bryan
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8/28/2006 5:17 am |
PS.... Bryan....... ........... have you started praying for my mum yet ? I would so much appreciate it. God bless you BROTHER.
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8/28/2006 5:21 am |
bsk............ please go read some of my blogs. then you might know some stuff about M.O.F and perhaps stop assuming things. It should help you. God bless you BROTHER. hugsss
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8/28/2006 3:42 pm |
I read the last five entries in your blog. It would take far too much time to address everything I saw there. Much of it broke my heart. So sad. I wish to encourage you to read/study the Bible with an open heart to the Holy Spirit. Im glad it did. Thankyou Bro .Gods blessings be poured upon your spirit and soul eli ~ contending for the truth ~ ...eli...
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8/28/2006 4:01 pm |
Why did Jesus come? "For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost." [Luke 19:10] That is one half of the ministry that He has given me also. Do you mean that I am not taking the Gospel to the lost as commanded in Proverbs 11:30, Matthew 4:19, Matthew 28:19-20, Mark 16:15, Acts 1:8, Acts 5:45, and other similar verses found throughout the Bible? When have you met me to know about my street preaching, door-to-door soul winning, tracts, Scripture magnets, Gospel strength demonstration, and other means of sharing the Gospel? So, the hundreds that I have been blessed with the opportunity to lead to Christ should go back to being lost? Is that what you are saying? Tell me how my obedience to Jesus and the Bible causes me to have this backwards? Are you obeying the Biblical commandment of soul winning and boldly sharing the Gospel on a daily basis? Have I met Jesus? If you read my testimony that I have posted here previously, you would know that this happened March 2, 1980. Bryan Why did Jesus come ? At the risk of sounding almost heretical to your ears Bryan..... first and foremost... Jesus came ( and yeah, its scriptural )... because... ............... THE FATHER LOVED US. this point, in its entirety is sometimes overlooked as we just take it so for granted. He came to seek and save the lost, because the Father Loved us so. Thats why he sent Jesus. I know it sounds elementary., but sometimes, the simple truths can confound the wisdom of the more complex issues. Second point you make in your answer to my post is "Do you mean that I am not taking the Gospel to the lost as commanded in Proverbs 11:30, Matthew 4:19, Matthew 28:19-20, Mark 16:15, Acts 1:8, Acts 5:45, and other similar verses found throughout the Bible? When have you met me to know about my street preaching, door-to-door soul winning, tracts, Scripture magnets, Gospel strength demonstration, and other means of sharing the Gospel? So, the hundreds that I have been blessed with the opportunity to lead to Christ should go back to being lost? Is that what you are saying? ".... Bryan, you need to read my message again. I did say, "Jesus did not take the gospel like you do.......... hopefully, you might just take the gospel to others like HE DID. You got it the wrong way round bro......" In other words Bryan...... Jesus didnt take the gospel like YOU do to others, you are infact, taking the gospel LIKE HE DID. see the difference ? who came first, Bryan or Jesus ? that was my only point. Jesus did it much better than any of us could... we follow His example, not the other way around. The other thing is that when you write.... "When have you met me to know about my street preaching, door-to-door soul winning, tracts, Scripture magnets, Gospel strength demonstration, and other means of sharing the Gospel? So, the hundreds that I have been blessed with the opportunity to lead to Christ should go back to being lost? Is that what you are saying? Tell me how my obedience to Jesus and the Bible causes me to have this backwards? Are you obeying the Biblical commandment of soul winning and boldly sharing the Gospel on a daily basis? "..... Be proud of yourself Bryan...... you have done well. Actually, if you take the time to look at the blog I created, there is a section in there called "Angelo" and a man there in that testimony that is incredibly similar to you. Bryan.... I truly believe that I will never know until I see the Lord in heaven, how many or not, souls I have won to Christ. At last count, I think, in all my years as a christian, (about 15yrs or so now) it was my sister, a Hindu man, a wrecked pyschiatric case of a woman, and my children (3 of them). I consider myself a very blessed woman, to have had the priviledge to see Jesus move in the hearts of even one. Thankyou very much Bryan for praying for my mother. Sincerely, thankyou.... but still......... She is wondering why I wont speak to her anymore..... "This should be used for various aspects of our life since we are prohibited from having relationships with the lost. [Deuteronomy 7:2-6; Psalm 1:1; 2 Corinthians 6:14-17]***" I expect she does understand when her daughter tells her, Im doing this for Jesus... Im prohibited from having any relationship with you mum. Im sure this shall be a great witness to her, and the love of Jesus. Until you pointed it out, I didnt know my mother and I had a problem ...and just when she was starting to listen to my two sisters and I regarding the things of Jesus. Pity. ~ contending for the truth ~ ...eli...
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8/28/2006 4:59 pm |
Only when God can 'break' our hearts sometimes Bryan, can He start pouring His into ours. Im glad it did. Thankyou Bro .Gods blessings be poured upon your spirit and soul eli
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8/28/2006 8:19 pm |
No, Jesus didn't sin like that. He took the Gospel to them, just like I do. There is a big difference. He went to eat with them for the purpose of saving their souls, not for fellowship. Too many Christians today would go just for the meal and to forge friendships. That is the difference and the sin that God clearly prohibits in the Bible. Do you see the difference? No, Bryan, I don't see the difference between eating a meal and forging a friendship and sin, I don't get it. Have you ever heard of friendship evangelism, Bryan? I heard an entire sermon from a missionary about evangelism and reaching out to people and getting into their world.... A pastor friend of mine JUST spoke of this YESTERDAY...he said we are NOT to be like Pharisee's who were to touch no unclean thing, Jesus rebuked them, Bryan....SEE THE DIFFERENCE??? I am going to make a post about the sermon on my blog, perhaps you will stop by and read it.....and before you start blasting him bryan, he has been in the ministry for over 30 years, and even pastored a church......how big is your church that you pastor? sincerely, and without malice... FG4H
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8/28/2006 10:37 pm |
Bryan: Many times in taking the gospel to someone, means, gaining their friendship. Did you know the most friendly thing you can do is eat a meal with someone? The most intimate thing is eat with them...Jesus did it, the Pharisee's did not. No, Bryan, I don't see the difference between eating a meal and forging a friendship and sin, I don't get it. Have you ever heard of friendship evangelism, Bryan? I heard an entire sermon from a missionary about evangelism and reaching out to people and getting into their world.... A pastor friend of mine JUST spoke of this YESTERDAY...he said we are NOT to be like Pharisee's who were to touch no unclean thing, Jesus rebuked them, Bryan....SEE THE DIFFERENCE??? I am going to make a post about the sermon on my blog, perhaps you will stop by and read it.....and before you start blasting him bryan, he has been in the ministry for over 30 years, and even pastored a church......how big is your church that you pastor? sincerely, and without malice... FG4H "Friendship Evangelism" = Love. Eating a meal with someone = cant see that as sinning ~ contending for the truth ~ ...eli...
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8/28/2006 10:48 pm |
He already does. That is why I take such a strong stand for His truths. Taking a strong stand, means sometimes showing the greatest of Love. That is His Truth. Thats why He came. ~ contending for the truth ~ ...eli...
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8/29/2006 4:15 am |
Bryan: Many times in taking the gospel to someone, means, gaining their friendship. Did you know the most friendly thing you can do is eat a meal with someone? The most intimate thing is eat with them...Jesus did it, the Pharisee's did not. No, Bryan, I don't see the difference between eating a meal and forging a friendship and sin, I don't get it. Have you ever heard of friendship evangelism, Bryan? I heard an entire sermon from a missionary about evangelism and reaching out to people and getting into their world.... A pastor friend of mine JUST spoke of this YESTERDAY...he said we are NOT to be like Pharisee's who were to touch no unclean thing, Jesus rebuked them, Bryan....SEE THE DIFFERENCE??? I am going to make a post about the sermon on my blog, perhaps you will stop by and read it.....and before you start blasting him bryan, he has been in the ministry for over 30 years, and even pastored a church......how big is your church that you pastor? sincerely, and without malice... FG4H 2. I undestand "friendship evangelism", also known as "lifestyle evangelism". I spoke out against this man-made philosphy from a Biblical perspective many times. 3. I have sat and ate a meal with a Satanist, but for the purpose of sharing the Gospel with him rather than for fellowship. That is the difference and the example set by Jesus. I don't pastor a church. Being an evangelist, I have said before that God doesn't have me in currently a pastorate position, but I have seen the youth group [that I oversee] grow to 18 times its size in one year. How, by following Biblical guidelines for witnessing and soul winning. Do you see the Biblical difference now?
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8/29/2006 4:19 am |
Beautifully said Laurie "Friendship Evangelism" = Love. Eating a meal with someone = cant see that as sinning
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8/29/2006 4:24 am |
He already does what Bryan ? Taking a strong stand, means sometimes showing the greatest of Love. That is His Truth. Thats why He came. That is what I was commeting on. No,that is not why He came. "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost." [Matthew 18:11] "For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost." [Luke 19:10] Does that make sense? Bryan
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8/29/2006 4:33 am |
Bryan: Many times in taking the gospel to someone, means, gaining their friendship. Did you know the most friendly thing you can do is eat a meal with someone? The most intimate thing is eat with them...Jesus did it, the Pharisee's did not. No, Bryan, I don't see the difference between eating a meal and forging a friendship and sin, I don't get it. Have you ever heard of friendship evangelism, Bryan? I heard an entire sermon from a missionary about evangelism and reaching out to people and getting into their world.... A pastor friend of mine JUST spoke of this YESTERDAY...he said we are NOT to be like Pharisee's who were to touch no unclean thing, Jesus rebuked them, Bryan....SEE THE DIFFERENCE??? I am going to make a post about the sermon on my blog, perhaps you will stop by and read it.....and before you start blasting him bryan, he has been in the ministry for over 30 years, and even pastored a church......how big is your church that you pastor? sincerely, and without malice... FG4H Do you remember the conversion of Matthew/Levi? Jesus ate at his home. Why did He do this? Was it for just fellowship? No. “But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: FOR I AM NOT COME TO CALL THE RIGHTEOUS, BUT SINNERS TO REPENTANCE.” [Matthew 9:12-13] Do you remember the story of Zacchaeus? Jesus went and ate at his home. Why did He do that? Did He go there to forge a friendship? No. “And Jesus said unto him, THIS DAY IS SALVATION COME TO THIS HOUSE, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.” [Luke 19:9-10] Over and over again, this is the example set by Jesus. Do you see the difference now between fellowship/friendship as compared to Biblical witnessing [or soul winning]? As I found out the hard way, you cannot be obedient to the Biblical commandment of soul winning without also obeying the Biblical doctrine of separation. Bryan
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8/29/2006 9:52 am |
FG4H, Do you remember the conversion of Matthew/Levi? Jesus ate at his home. Why did He do this? Was it for just fellowship? No. “But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: FOR I AM NOT COME TO CALL THE RIGHTEOUS, BUT SINNERS TO REPENTANCE.” [Matthew 9:12-13] Do you remember the story of Zacchaeus? Jesus went and ate at his home. Why did He do that? Did He go there to forge a friendship? No. “And Jesus said unto him, THIS DAY IS SALVATION COME TO THIS HOUSE, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.” [Luke 19:9-10] Over and over again, this is the example set by Jesus. Do you see the difference now between fellowship/friendship as compared to Biblical witnessing [or soul winning]? As I found out the hard way, you cannot be obedient to the Biblical commandment of soul winning without also obeying the Biblical doctrine of separation. Bryan I am sure Jesus spent HOURS at these people's homes....he didn't walk in and just say what He had to say and then leave, it takes time to EAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just don't get it.............
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8/29/2006 11:15 am |
I realize that these examples are in the bible Bryan, I've read them many times......... I am sure Jesus spent HOURS at these people's homes....he didn't walk in and just say what He had to say and then leave, it takes time to EAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just don't get it............. I have sat and taken half a day before to explain the Gospel and answer questions with the lost. This is the example Jesus set. It should not be rushed due to the importance of their immortal souls. What does that have to do with the discussion at hand? You seem to be taking something out of context to support your view. Am I wrong? Bryan
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8/29/2006 11:29 am |
I realize that these examples are in the bible Bryan, I've read them many times......... I am sure Jesus spent HOURS at these people's homes....he didn't walk in and just say what He had to say and then leave, it takes time to EAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just don't get it............. Lifestyle Evangelism Refuted
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8/29/2006 12:12 pm |
I look at it this way Kristina. I share the gospel with with "friends and acquaintances" but fellowship with my brothers and sisters in Christ. Not all my "friends", people who I am acquainted with, are my brothers and sisters in Christ, and I will not share the intimate parts of my life with them. For the same reason you are not be yoked to an unbeliever, you are not to fellowship with nonbelievers. What do light and dark have in common? Jesus wasn't hanging with the sinners to shoot the breeze, he was with them for the purpose of teaching the Word; NOTHING ELSE!
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8/29/2006 12:14 pm |
I realize that these examples are in the bible Bryan, I've read them many times......... I am sure Jesus spent HOURS at these people's homes....he didn't walk in and just say what He had to say and then leave, it takes time to EAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just don't get it.............
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8/29/2006 3:09 pm |
Why are you being so angry? ....90% of all communication between human beings is non verbal.I am laughing here, see? 
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8/29/2006 3:43 pm |
I said the same thing earlier. He came to save the lost. No, He wasn't accused of being their friend. He was accused of associating with them, which is different from fellowshipping.
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8/29/2006 3:45 pm |
I look at it this way Kristina. I share the gospel with with "friends and acquaintances" but fellowship with my brothers and sisters in Christ. Not all my "friends", people who I am acquainted with, are my brothers and sisters in Christ, and I will not share the intimate parts of my life with them. For the same reason you are not be yoked to an unbeliever, you are not to fellowship with nonbelievers. What do light and dark have in common? Jesus wasn't hanging with the sinners to shoot the breeze, he was with them for the purpose of teaching the Word; NOTHING ELSE!
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8/29/2006 3:48 pm |
I'm not angry at all Ken....I am speaking my mind ....90% of all communication between human beings is non verbal.I am laughing here, see?
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8/29/2006 4:53 pm |
oops I meant 90% of all communication.... If I ever get angry, I will use BOLD RED CAPS, ok???? and an angry face smiley.
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8/29/2006 5:14 pm |
Sorry about that. Didn't see Ken's post until after I posted.
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8/29/2006 7:32 pm |
oops I meant 90% of all communication.... If I ever get angry, I will use BOLD RED CAPS, ok???? and an angry face smiley.
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8/29/2006 10:49 pm |
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. well...... I dunno bout the rest of you...... but as for me and my household,we will serve the Lord all the days of our lives. I do not serve scripture I do not serve church I do not serve ministry If Jesus puts some deadhead across my path and implants a love into me for that person that causes me to GO THE EXTRA MILE OR TWO OR THREE OR TEN then guess what, thats EXACTLY what IM gonna do. !... if it takes fellowshipping with them, that, I will do. If it takes sleeping in a grovel just cos they cant be alone, thats what I will do. If it takes eating out of a rubbish bin with them ? You bet, Im gonna do it if the Lord Jesus tells me to walk with them a while and thats what they do. Bryan....... I am SO grateful to God that my husband was not under the style of saving "grace" as you see it to be, for if so, I know, he would not be in heaven right now. The man whom touched my husbands heart, was a man that you would pretty much scoff at. Jesus used this man to befriend my husband when no other man would (they were too busy thinking preaching actually) .... cos my husband was too 'unclean'. He came as a friend........ and stayed by my husbands side and through him, Jesus showed my husband, who HE was. It took years. He showed, the unconditional love of Jesus to my husband. And thats how my husband's heart was won. Most would have given up. Most would have walked away. Most would have bible bashed my husband and then condemned him to hell based on their ceiling of knowledge and scriptures. You see Bryan, its okay to expound the virtues of knowledge... but there is one thing greater than that.... ........... its simply called... LOVE. AGAPE LOVE. I thank God, that true chaplaincy in the hearts of some men and women, lives on. I thank Jesus, for the 'unclean' ones that He uses to love others, and bring them to salvation and the Father's heart. ~ contending for the truth ~ ...eli...
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8/30/2006 3:35 am |
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. well...... I dunno bout the rest of you...... but as for me and my household,we will serve the Lord all the days of our lives. I do not serve scripture I do not serve church I do not serve ministry If Jesus puts some deadhead across my path and implants a love into me for that person that causes me to GO THE EXTRA MILE OR TWO OR THREE OR TEN then guess what, thats EXACTLY what IM gonna do. !... if it takes fellowshipping with them, that, I will do. If it takes sleeping in a grovel just cos they cant be alone, thats what I will do. If it takes eating out of a rubbish bin with them ? You bet, Im gonna do it if the Lord Jesus tells me to walk with them a while and thats what they do. Bryan....... I am SO grateful to God that my husband was not under the style of saving "grace" as you see it to be, for if so, I know, he would not be in heaven right now. The man whom touched my husbands heart, was a man that you would pretty much scoff at. Jesus used this man to befriend my husband when no other man would (they were too busy thinking preaching actually) .... cos my husband was too 'unclean'. He came as a friend........ and stayed by my husbands side and through him, Jesus showed my husband, who HE was. It took years. He showed, the unconditional love of Jesus to my husband. And thats how my husband's heart was won. Most would have given up. Most would have walked away. Most would have bible bashed my husband and then condemned him to hell based on their ceiling of knowledge and scriptures. You see Bryan, its okay to expound the virtues of knowledge... but there is one thing greater than that.... ........... its simply called... LOVE. AGAPE LOVE. I thank God, that true chaplaincy in the hearts of some men and women, lives on. I thank Jesus, for the 'unclean' ones that He uses to love others, and bring them to salvation and the Father's heart. Comparing Jesus And The Bible 2. I serve a local congregation, because that is how I can serve my brothers and sisters in Christ. [1 Peter 5:2] 3. I serve the ministry given me by God so that I can serve God and the brethren. [Acts 20:24] Am I missing something that you mean in your comments when you say that you don't serve these three? What part of grace don't you agree with? August Newspaper Article What Is Grace How have I disputed unconditional love? Are you confused with the definition of thge word “love”: A. Are you confused with the definition of love? Love is always sacrificial but it also disciplinarian toward sin and disobedience. If we love a brother in Christ and that brother is sinning, we will try to correct that brother, not ignore the problem. If I have cancer, I hope the doctor has enough love to tell me and try to do something about it, no matter how emotionally upset I will get when he first informs me. B. Are you confused with the direction of love? Love will always help us to push others toward obedience of God’s Word and away from worldliness. A preacher does not love his congregation if he doesn’t warn them about the reality of Hell, the simplicity of the Gospel, try to protect them from worldliness that is enter the church, and call them to a higher level of obedience. Love without knowledge is like a car without gasoline. Knowledge without love is like gasoline without a car. Bryan
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8/30/2006 4:34 am |
1. I serve Scripture because that is how we serve Jesus. Comparing Jesus And The Bible 2. I serve a local congregation, because that is how I can serve my brothers and sisters in Christ. [1 Peter 5:2] 3. I serve the ministry given me by God so that I can serve God and the brethren. [Acts 20:24] Am I missing something that you mean in your comments when you say that you don't serve these three? What part of grace don't you agree with? August Newspaper Article What Is Grace How have I disputed unconditional love? Are you confused with the definition of thge word “love”: A. Are you confused with the definition of love? Love is always sacrificial but it also disciplinarian toward sin and disobedience. If we love a brother in Christ and that brother is sinning, we will try to correct that brother, not ignore the problem. If I have cancer, I hope the doctor has enough love to tell me and try to do something about it, no matter how emotionally upset I will get when he first informs me. B. Are you confused with the direction of love? Love will always help us to push others toward obedience of God’s Word and away from worldliness. A preacher does not love his congregation if he doesn’t warn them about the reality of Hell, the simplicity of the Gospel, try to protect them from worldliness that is enter the church, and call them to a higher level of obedience. Love without knowledge is like a car without gasoline. Knowledge without love is like gasoline without a car. Bryan yes you are missing somethings in my words. I serve Jesus. First and foremost through the Love that He bred, and the Blood that He shed. If you only 'love' those in church Bryan, you are missing a huge part of the picture. If you only 'love' to push people.... thats not love. Have you ever heard of the word Agape Love ? I pray dear Brother, that you never have to face the day where perhaps you are put in a position of no church, no bible, no pastor or other christians around. Cos then, guess what... all you have, is Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. Oh, and this Bryan.......>>> If I have cancer, I hope the doctor has enough love to tell me and try to do something about it, no matter how emotionally upset I will get when he first informs me <<<< .......??? Have you ever faced that? I pray to God you NEVER do Bryan, I pray to God you never have to face that moment. Be careful of the words you speak until you have lived in someone elses shoes. Knowledge without love is like gasoline without a car. Go get a car Bryan. Then go pick up all the people who dont have a car and give them a free ride to the highway of Love. Burn baby burn. ~ contending for the truth ~ ...eli...
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8/30/2006 5:17 am |
Bryan..... yes you are missing somethings in my words. I serve Jesus. First and foremost through the Love that He bred, and the Blood that He shed. If you only 'love' those in church Bryan, you are missing a huge part of the picture. If you only 'love' to push people.... thats not love. Have you ever heard of the word Agape Love ? I pray dear Brother, that you never have to face the day where perhaps you are put in a position of no church, no bible, no pastor or other christians around. Cos then, guess what... all you have, is Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. Oh, and this Bryan.......>>> If I have cancer, I hope the doctor has enough love to tell me and try to do something about it, no matter how emotionally upset I will get when he first informs me <<<< .......??? Have you ever faced that? I pray to God you NEVER do Bryan, I pray to God you never have to face that moment. Be careful of the words you speak until you have lived in someone elses shoes. Knowledge without love is like gasoline without a car. Go get a car Bryan. Then go pick up all the people who dont have a car and give them a free ride to the highway of Love. Burn baby burn. Tell me what it is. So far, I am only seeing you make assumptions. You wrote: “If you only 'love' those in church Bryan, you are missing a huge part of the picture.” Never said that. I love the lost enough to share the Gospel with them on a daily basis via the various talents and gifts given me by the Holy Spirit. Do you love the lost enough to obey the Biblical commandment of soul winning? You wrote: ”If you only 'love' to push people.... thats not love.” That is not what God says. For example, God says in Hebrews 10:24 ‒ “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works  #x201D; The word “provoke” means “to push, incite, goad”.Have you ever heard of the word Agape Love ? Yes, I posted about it and the other forms of love in the Bible. Love The Biblical Meaning You wrote: “I pray dear Brother, that you never have to face the day where perhaps you are put in a position of no church, no bible, no pastor or other christians around. Cos then, guess what... all you have, is Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit.” If I am, then I will continue on with my service to what God has given me [e.g. Psalm 119:11]. Of course, I don’t get into discussion about situational ethics. Deal with what God has given you at the moment and don’t worry about that stuff. God’s grace will be sufficient for such a day. Deal with reality, not fiction. Okay? You wrote: “Have you ever faced that? I pray to God you NEVER do Bryan, I pray to God you never have to face that moment. Be careful of the words you speak until you have lived in someone elses shoes.” Yes. I have faced serious medical problems [details withheld due to not wanting your pity] as have others in my family. I have watched many family members, including my parents, go through cancer. My pastor’s wife just lost her battle with cancer after over a decade of fighting it. Be careful about assuming what I have gone through until you find out for yourself. You wrote: “Go get a car Bryan. Then go pick up all the people who dont have a car and give them a free ride to the highway of Love.” I own a mini-van and I transport people to church [and church activities] who don’t have a ride. These are the same people who I witness to. Don’t assume. It will get you into trouble, as your post reveals. You wrote: “Burn baby burn.” If you mean the form found in Jeremiah 20:9, then I do. If you mean the other form, then I try to prevent people from burning. I hope this clears up some of your misunderstandings. Bryan
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8/30/2006 9:12 pm |
 You juuuuuuuusssssttttttttt dont gettt it do you Bryan..... (yeah you do actually, but you delight in your own knowledge of scriptures .... hey, even satan knew the scriptures and tormented Jesus with them...... ughhhh.) I get the feeling, I am not the first one that has come face to face with your brick walls. Many have suffered under your words. You are great at rebuking and tormenting under the guise of christianity. *sigh* Puff your chest up Bryan, straighten your collar and suit... drive your mini van to church and think its all great stuff. God cries over the ones you hurt, forget and judge cruely in your own pride. You are so deluded in your own knowledge. Your words, are empty and do not have life. And to echo your holy words....... be careful of ASSUMING Bryan. Do yourself a favour...... ........ go read Burn Baby Burn. or Messengers of Fire. ( you probably wouldnt understand it anyway, but I can pray you do ). Truthfully, I shall pray for you... but Im over all your self imposed sanctions. Your pride is too heavy to carry. I pray that God truly opens the eyes of your heart, Brother. ... and gets you to give away your mini van to a widower with 5 kids or a single dad who has struggled and cried for the church to hear his plea and has largely gone unoticed by the polished shoe set you pride yourself on belonging to. The ones you miss Bryan in your hurry to be 'holy'. Get down and get real with God Bryan, and stop hiding behind scriptures. He does Love you sooo much in ways that you havent even allowed Him to do.... and until you allow that, You aint gonna be able to impart that to annnyyyyone. I wont be bothering answering any more of your comments Bryan. I have seen you. Dont just accept God's salvation...... accept His Love. And you know what Bryan ??? I really dont care if I get kicked outta blogland for this . Someone had to say it.I remember, when Jesus overturned the tables at the temple..... ~ contending for the truth ~ ...eli...
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8/30/2006 10:11 pm |
You juuuuuuuusssssttttttttt dont gettt it do you Bryan..... (yeah you do actually, but you delight in your own knowledge of scriptures .... hey, even satan knew the scriptures and tormented Jesus with them...... ughhhh.) I get the feeling, I am not the first one that has come face to face with your brick walls. Many have suffered under your words. You are great at rebuking and tormenting under the guise of christianity. *sigh* Puff your chest up Bryan, straighten your collar and suit... drive your mini van to church and think its all great stuff. God cries over the ones you hurt, forget and judge cruely in your own pride. You are so deluded in your own knowledge. Your words, are empty and do not have life. And to echo your holy words....... be careful of ASSUMING Bryan. Do yourself a favour...... ........ go read Burn Baby Burn. or Messengers of Fire. ( you probably wouldnt understand it anyway, but I can pray you do ). Truthfully, I shall pray for you... but Im over all your self imposed sanctions. Your pride is too heavy to carry. I pray that God truly opens the eyes of your heart, Brother. ... and gets you to give away your mini van to a widower with 5 kids or a single dad who has struggled and cried for the church to hear his plea and has largely gone unoticed by the polished shoe set you pride yourself on belonging to. The ones you miss Bryan in your hurry to be 'holy'. Get down and get real with God Bryan, and stop hiding behind scriptures. He does Love you sooo much in ways that you havent even allowed Him to do.... and until you allow that, You aint gonna be able to impart that to annnyyyyone. I wont be bothering answering any more of your comments Bryan. I have seen you. Dont just accept God's salvation...... accept His Love. And you know what Bryan ??? I really dont care if I get kicked outta blogland for this . Someone had to say it.I remember, when Jesus overturned the tables at the temple..... Bryan does do both! And I am a little ticked off that you would make the assumption that he doesn't. Do you know what he does outside these Blogs? I do! You said some pretty hurtful things and in hurts me to hear them because Bryan is my brother in Christ and a friend. It seems a couple of you on here want to tear out whole scriptures from the NT because it doesn't fit the way you see things. But the fact of the matter is, those are God's words as inspired by the Holy Spirit, and yes, we are to practice separation and not be "of this world". Did Jesus go out with tax collectors and collect taxes or with the prostitutes and turn tricks? NO! He allowed them to fellowship with Him and not He with them. Big difference! And I think that is where the mix up is coming from here in this exchange. I think you are taking everything Bryan is saying the wrong way and are making a lot of assumptions. The body of Christ is made up of many different parts and we each have our own special gifts. I can say one thing about Bryan and that is he is using his gifts daily. Can most on here say the same thing? I bet not! Probably too busy Blogging! Would the world be better off if all Christians were like Bryan? Hell no! But he plays a vital part in the body of Christ! We need folks like you too Eli! Are you spreading your agape love and the Gospel daily? I would hope so. If not, how many souls have you let slip through your hands? The BC blogs are full of Christians and nobody here really needs to be saved for the most part. So anytime spent on here is really a waste of souls if you want to get right down to it. The real need is out there on the streets and not here bickering back and forth because you or Bryan think your way is best. You both have a mission. Get your butts out there and do it! Sorry for the rant!
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8/31/2006 3:52 am |
Ken, It is okay about your rant. I agree that she is making many assumptions. For example, she thinks that me bragging about my Lord and sharing His Word with both the brethren [encouragment] and the lost [Gospel], that somehow I am being egotistical. Go figure. It is not about how much I know about the Bible, but whether I am using it or not. That is what we are each being held accountable - what we did for what we are responsible for. To whom much is give, much is required. Bryan
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8/31/2006 7:34 am |
Oops! wrong smiley... See how much difference even something like that makes... One stroke of the key and the meaning is completely different... Hmmm...
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8/31/2006 7:47 am |
Oops! wrong smiley... See how much difference even something like that makes... One stroke of the key and the meaning is completely different... Hmmm... 
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8/31/2006 11:03 am |
Better late than never.
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8/31/2006 11:21 am |
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8/31/2006 2:44 pm |
I second that! What God does in our lives during the waiting period is just as important as what we are waiting for. John Ortberg CHRISTIAN WAYS TO REDUCE STRESS
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8/31/2006 3:39 pm |
Done. Soul Winning Lessons
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8/31/2006 5:32 pm |
Those who are religious get upset by things I post. It goes against their church teachings or traditions and they get upset. That is part of the life of preacher. I am used to the name calling. After all, they did worse to my Savior. Bryan
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8/31/2006 5:38 pm |
To the Angelo's of life... ......dont be shamed. ......dont be shamed. this might seem cryptic, but to those who have read my blog.. they will understand. lookin.... I believe, you looked... and saw. and as for the rest of this whole thing...?.... I apologize profusely and sincerely from my heart, if what I wrote above in my last post, caused any offense to anyone. I still have a warcry .[post 40727]...[post 41168]~ contending for the truth ~ ...eli...
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9/1/2006 1:21 am |
huh ? I did not allude to the fact you even read my blog. I am surprised you did.... when I mentioned about you 'seeing', I was referring to exactly as your above text suggests . If I have worded that in a way that caused you to misunderstand, Im really sorry.hugs sis ~ contending for the truth ~ ...eli...
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9/1/2006 4:18 am |
No problem. I don't understand the elephant illustration. Personally, I find a lot of people make assumptions about my blog posts or read them with preconceptions. Then they attack me for what they "read between the line" when there is nothing there. I am one of those guys who is "what you see is what you get". Too many are looking for stuff not there. Hope that helps. Bryan
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9/4/2006 2:43 pm |
Actually, here is another way to look at it. We are to be the salt of the world. People are wounded by sin, the Devil, and the world. Many times these are open wounds. What happens when salt touches those wounds? Yes, it will heal but it will sting like crazy.
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9/5/2006 2:52 am |
Even recently, I had an open wound in my mouth. The gums over the lower jaw [inside, left side] some how got ripped away. It exposed the bone. Then every time I talked or ate, this exposed bone was cutting the side of my tongue. One of the things the dentist recommended was gargling with salt water. I have heard of medical professionals recommend salt for open mouth wounds before. Being someone who used to teach first aid [as a lifeguard and Boy Scout] as well as many family and friends in various medical fields, I have heard various stories of salt being used for medical purposes, including cleaning of open wounds [though not so much any more]. And this is not even getting into the fact that Epsom salts actually has dozens of healthful benefits. Of course, these are not for open wounds, usually. Most of the people I deal with on a regular basis [homeless, poor, victims, domestic abuse victims, ICU patients, funeral homes, inmates, etc.] all have wounds. Most of the times I don't need to point out why they are at the situation of why they are where they are at. That is different than this type of informal and impersonal setting of the Internet. Many of BC cannot seem to distinguish the difference. Does that make sense? "Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins." [Isaiah 58:1]
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9/6/2006 11:08 am |
Warm saltwater is actually healing: if you have a sore throat, use warm saltwater and gargle....it makes the pain go away. Also, recovering from mouth surgury, warm saltwater aids in promoting healing, it has healing properties in it.
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9/6/2006 11:58 am |
Warm saltwater is actually healing: if you have a sore throat, use warm saltwater and gargle....it makes the pain go away. Also, recovering from mouth surgury, warm saltwater aids in promoting healing, it has healing properties in it.
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9/6/2006 6:23 pm |
Just so you know, I've never used straight salt, I was talking about warm saltWATER not just SALT.... No, warm saltwater for gargling is not bad first aid, it's been done for centurys... Where did I say throw salt on an open wound???, I didn't say that...GBY.
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9/7/2006 3:59 am |
Sort of like how I use rubbing alcohol on open wounds to get rid of infection [which burns], so did physicians during Biblical days use salt in different cultures. We don't do that practice today, as well as other medical practices from those eons. Yes, that is where that saying came from. Bryan
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LOL = laugh out loud. I LOVE THIS JOKE. Thanks for the laugh.
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9/8/2006 6:31 am |
LOL = laugh out loud. I LOVE THIS JOKE. Thanks for the laugh.
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9/11/2006 7:46 pm |
that was good i see nothing wrong with this blog if we all can't be nice to each other when leaving a comment thyen its best to just keep our mouths shut ad not say anything at all. god bless you from heavensangel80
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9/12/2006 4:09 am |
that was good i see nothing wrong with this blog if we all can't be nice to each other when leaving a comment thyen its best to just keep our mouths shut ad not say anything at all. god bless you from heavensangel80
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9/12/2006 7:16 am |
Holy cow now I see why God's word tells us to become like little children and some of you really have taken that literally. You are arguing like a bunch of children instead of acting like adult Christians. I was thinking about becoming a member again in a few days but I am not sure if I want to waste my money again for this garbage. Every post I go to in the last few days there is just arguing going on. I guess Satan is really good at his job. He sure is tearing alot of people down on this site. Sorry but I am one that feels if you are a preacher you would end this and just except the persecution. Who cares what other's think of you. It's what God thinks of you. John(alias-godsservant)
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9/13/2006 2:49 am |
Holy cow now I see why God's word tells us to become like little children and some of you really have taken that literally. You are arguing like a bunch of children instead of acting like adult Christians. I was thinking about becoming a member again in a few days but I am not sure if I want to waste my money again for this garbage. Every post I go to in the last few days there is just arguing going on. I guess Satan is really good at his job. He sure is tearing alot of people down on this site. Sorry but I am one that feels if you are a preacher you would end this and just except the persecution. Who cares what other's think of you. It's what God thinks of you. John(alias-godsservant) By the way, if you can find any congregation [from book of Acts forward] that there has not been some form of arguing at one point or another, be my guest. There isn't one.
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9/13/2006 11:42 am |
Personally, I would say that your three examples are being mean-spirited rather than actual persecution. Persecution is usually more severe and is just now starting in America. I wonder if Christians will be able to handle real persecution when it comes if they can be offended so easily.
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9/13/2006 12:04 pm |
***Laurie lights a match....!!!!!!!! and calls for Eli..... "ELI, oh ELI ...where ya at mate?"
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9/13/2006 7:56 pm |
Brian I wish you the best but I will not come to a mans blog that calls himself a preacher but is so prideful. Just remember his word says God opposes the proud and I am praying for you because I feel you are going to have a big wake up call from the Lord if you don't find some humbleness in your heart. Take care and God bless, John
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9/14/2006 3:21 am |
Exactly. People being mean-spirited is common from grade school on. Yet people today are saying this is persecution. Sad how comfortable we have become that is someone says something to us, then we cry persecution. Persecution is a street preacher being arrested for sharing the Gospel. Persecution is a coupl Christians arrested for soul winning. Persecution is a church being seized or fined by the government for preaching against sodomy. This is the persecution that is starting in America, where as in other nations Christians are being tortured or executed for their faith. It will come here. Bryan
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9/14/2006 3:24 am |
Brian I wish you the best but I will not come to a mans blog that calls himself a preacher but is so prideful. Just remember his word says God opposes the proud and I am praying for you because I feel you are going to have a big wake up call from the Lord if you don't find some humbleness in your heart. Take care and God bless, John Thanks for stopping by. I am little puzzled by your comments. I understand that pride is a sin and speak out against it. Do you understand that? Have you read my blog entries about this sin? The Power Of Pride SelfEsteem aka Pride Do you think that maybe my confidence in the Lord and the Bible is what you are confusing as pride? So You Think You Are Right July Newspaper Article Bold Or Arrogant Also, if I was filled with pride, would I openly admit ways that I have been wrong and God corrected me? Have You Ever Been Wrong In addition to this, I have openly and apologized to six different individuals here on BC. If I was filled with pride, I wouldn't have done that. With this in mind, will you attempt to read my blog again? If not, please tell me how I have committed this sin. Bryan
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9/15/2006 3:35 am |
Actually Jesus said it about 2,000 years ago that it will come, especially as we get closer to the Rature.
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