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7/10/2006 6:40 am

False Experience Appearing Real - - - Fear

---F---alse... E----xperience... A----ppearing.... R----eal

and my reply is HOGWASH! There are many definitions we attach to fear, Let's just look at a few:

Being afraid or feel anxious or apprehensive about a possible or probable situation or event and it's likely outcome. ----- "I fear he might get aggressive, unkind, vicious, and may go out of control." I fear he may stalk me and does. I fear he will never stop the lies.

It's an emotion experienced in anticipation of some specific pain or danger. -----"I fear I might screw it up, by saying the wrong things, making the wrong decision by not acting when I should." I fear I will miss the train if I don't get off my tush and do something about it.

It can be also concern: An anxious feeling inside.-----"They hush it up out of fear of public reaction." Rebuttle on the blogs is "unGodly" or "not Christ-like" so we sit cowering over the lies. Ignore them they say as everyone comes by to peek in on the dirty laundry.
When does it end? Is the other Christ-like?

It is an apprehension about some event. ---- "I fear the results of the final exams or the possible outcomes." I fear an outcome - cause I know I have sinned and feal guilty as charged.

It can be reverence: To regard with feelings of respect and reverence; consider hallowed or exalted or be in awe of; Fear God as your heavenly Father.-----"I fear the Lord with all my heart, all my soul and all my mind."

What do you believe fear to be? It being superficial according to the definitions above, how come people say if you have fear, you haven't God? We know that the Lord is not the author of confusion. Heard that one a hundred times on the blogs. Also, heard Let go, let God. Not good enough, sorry! Definitely, prayer, yet, the fear still resides for some. Comfort from fear is possible, I know. So what do you do when it won't go away and you have done everything you are suppose to do? I know, pray.

Fear seems to be a bad seed that was planted in man through sin and it often feels to be a very real reality and a part of some people who choose to embrace it. So how can a Christian who has fear and no joy in their life disengage this negative seed?

(¯`•♥•´¯) ¤`•.♥.•´ ¤ (¯`•♥•´¯)

linus801
(Jerry C) 77M

7/10/2006 7:42 am

2Ch 19:9 He gave them these orders: “You must serve faithfully and wholeheartedly in the fear of the LORD

Job 28:28 And he said to man,
‘The fear of the Lord–that is wisdom,
and to shun evil is understanding

Ps 19:9 The fear of the LORD is pure,
enduring forever.
The ordinances of the LORD are sure
and altogether righteous.

Fear is a warning emotion given to us for protection, God commends it & for example, I'll feel it when I am about to seriously move out or away from the Will of God.

Does that help??

Indescribeable replies on 7/10/2006 1:46 pm:
"Fear is a warning emotion." I like that. It is the unnecessary fear not the obvious fear that I often need help with discerning. As a child I worried about everything my mother said. She said, I was quite sensitive.

Indescribeable replies on 7/10/2006 1:50 pm:
"Fear is a warning emotion." I like that. But, it is the "unnecessary" fear, the kind that shouldn't affect you, not the "obvious and real" fear, the kind that can harm you that I often need help with discerning. As a child I worried about everything my mother said. She said, I was quite sensitive.

adorable2eyes
(Freida N) 73F

308 posts
7/10/2006 8:47 am

Psychologist teach that fear is a "natural human emotion". As long as we are human we will experience some fear. Yes, it is a perceived threat. That is what causes the fear, the threat. Until we can acheive the "out of body" experience, I am afraid we will always have fear. Like you wrote in this blog, fear can be controlled, but it cannot be prevented from happening as long as we are in this human body.

Cherish all your happy moments: they make a fine cushion for old age.

Indescribeable replies on 7/10/2006 1:54 pm:
Fear is a natural human emotion. Can you shed some light on how somseone might live a life with less fear about the outcomes of daily events?

Indescribeable replies on 7/10/2006 2:04 pm:
Fear is a natural human emotion. Can you shed some light on how someone might live a life with less fear about the outcomes of daily events?

imavessel
(M H) 59F

7/10/2006 10:19 am

Thanks-
if it were otherwise- I guess I am lost

& Every day I walk out my own salvation with "fear" and trembling.

Indescribeable replies on 7/10/2006 2:32 pm:
I too, fear the Lord with all my heart, all my soul and all my mind, however, this fear is as in "reverence" not "fear and trembling" of Him. Do you fear the Lord as in, he will harm you or punish you?

WorshippingOne 66F

663 posts
7/10/2006 11:09 am

Sheri, I've never heard it as False Experience Appearing Real; rather, False Evidence Appearing Real.

I agree with Melody (gpsysong) that our English usage of the word actually has multiple meanings, and I'm sure when she reports back after researching, she'll report that there are multiple greek and hebrew words used, as well.

Joyce Meyer says one definition of the word fear means to take flight. I've heard her teach a lot on the subject of fear, and something she brings out often is that the Bible never says we are not to feel fear; just don't give in to it--or, in other words, don't run in fear.

And I happen to have a personal testimony of a specific application that might help you.

Since I was a child, I've been fearful of dogs. This is over and above what would be considered a healthy respect for certain breeds or those that are clearly dangerous.

When I took up bicycling, this became a real problem as dogs seem to be extremely drawn to whirling tires and rotating pedals! I began praying, asking the Lord to help me because I was quite aggravated about it.

One morning, I felt the Lord clearly direct me to ride a certain route near my home. As it turns out, the route had an extremely steep and long hill (i.e. I had zero oppurtunity to get up any speed)...and wouldn't you know it? About mid-way up the hill, three medium-sized dogs (about the size of a small collie or lab) came running after me from one of the houses.

My blood ran cold and everything in me started to panic. Did I feel fear? You better believe I did!!!

But because of the circumstance surrounding this little "exercise" (and I'm not talking about my cardio-exercise!), at that moment I had a decision to make: Would I trust God (i.e. have faith and trust that I heard Him in the first place and that these dogs were not going to tear me from limb to limb) or would I give in to my feelings?

So, with my heart racing (and NOT from the hill I was climbing) and with sheer determination of my will, I CHOSE to believe that these dogs--although APPEARING to be vicious and threatening to do me great bodily harm--were NOT actually going to harm me.

They ran up to me and made a huge racket. I yelled at them a few times and they eventually wandered off. It was an experience I'll never forget.

Does this mean I'm now no longer fearful of dogs? Nope! Still hate it when they come rushing up to me. I do my best to avoid them whenever possible. But what it taught me is that, like Joyce Meyer also says a lot, if needed, I can simply do it afraid! In other words, I may never get to the place where I don't feel the fear, but those feelings of fear don't have to control me. And I believe THAT'S the issue. What's controlling you? A spirit of fear or what you believe in your heart the Lord has spoken to you?

So how can a Christian disengage the negative seed of fear? The only way I know how, Sheri, is by the Word of God. Check out my post, Something From Beth Moore's Praying God's Word Pg 21 and take note of how Beth Moore talks about strongholds. Different fears in people can definitely be a stronghold.

Hope that helps!

Indescribeable replies on 7/10/2006 2:46 pm:
I used the word "false experience" because fear often evolves from a bad experience. It is a false mindset that we have pertaining to fear that was created by something, some event in time. Most of the time the things we fear are nothing more than an improper notion that we got in our head, perhaps at a very young age. Perhaps, from something that happened. A false or bad experience that appears and manifests itself as very real in ones life. Let me give an example: I fear that I will get fired if I miss one day of work. I fear that if I don't comply even if I don't agree, I will get persecuted. I fear that if I don't follow the law to the letter of the law that I will go to jail. I fear that even if I do the best I can in filing out my tax return that perhaps, they will find an error and then I will get fined. I fear that I will make the same mistakes again so therefore I will do nothing. In actuality, these extremes will never occur, yet the person worries about it unnecessarily. (yep, some of these, I have even been guilty of) All of these things are really stupid extremes and are being used just for examples sake, I have known this kind of fear to exist in many people throughout my lifetime and see it on the blogs as well, so it must be real. Thanks for stopping by, perhaps, if you this this you can come back to continue this conversation.

Indescribeable replies on 7/10/2006 2:53 pm:
I used the word "false experience" because fear often evolves from a bad experience. It is a false mindset that we have pertaining to fear that was created by something, some event in time. Most of the time the things we fear are nothing more than an improper notion that we got in our head, perhaps at a very young age. Perhaps, from something that happened. A false or bad experience that appears and manifests itself as very real in ones life. Let me give an example: I fear that I will get fired if I miss one day of work. I fear that if I don't comply even if I don't agree, I will get persecuted. I fear that if I don't follow the law to the letter of the law that I will go to jail. I fear that even if I do the best I can in filing out my tax return that perhaps, they will find an error and then I will get fined. I fear that I will make the same mistakes again so therefore I will do nothing. In actuality, these extremes will never occur, yet the person worries about it unnecessarily. (yep, some of these, I have even been guilty of) All of these things are really stupid extremes and are being used just for examples sake, I have known this kind of fear to exist in many people throughout my lifetime and see it on the blogs as well, so it must be real. Thanks for stopping by, perhaps, if you this this you can come back to continue this conversation.

Indescribeable replies on 7/10/2006 2:54 pm:
I used the word "false experience" because fear often evolves from a bad experience. It is a false mindset that we have pertaining to fear that was created by something, some event in time. Most of the time the things we fear are nothing more than an improper notion that we got in our head, perhaps at a very young age. Perhaps, from something that happened. A false or bad experience that appears and manifests itself as very real in ones life. Let me give an example: I fear that I will get fired if I miss one day of work. I fear that if I don't comply even if I don't agree, I will get persecuted. I fear that if I don't follow the law to the letter of the law that I will go to jail. I fear that even if I do the best I can in filing out my tax return that perhaps, they will find an error and then I will get fined. I fear that I will make the same mistakes again so therefore I will do nothing. In actuality, these extremes will never occur, yet the person worries about it unnecessarily. (yep, some of these, I have even been guilty of) All of these things are really stupid extremes and are being used just for examples sake, I have known this kind of fear to exist in many people throughout my lifetime and see it on the blogs as well, so it must be real. Thanks for stopping by.

honest35 54F

7/10/2006 11:23 am

I do it afraid.How else do you brake though?

Your sister in Christ

Jenn

Indescribeable replies on 7/10/2006 2:59 pm:
Perhaps, we will find some answers, I hope more comment. Thanks for stopping by.

Indescribeable 65F

8057 posts
7/10/2006 2:50 pm

I did a Beth Moore study once and really didn't get it. Something to do with being a Queen of the Lord, and I quit the class, I just couldn't relate. Does she have one specific to fear and it's strongholds or does anyone know any other authors that deal with conquering extreme unnecessary fear?

(¯`•♥•´¯) ¤`•.♥.•´ ¤ (¯`•♥•´¯)

honest35 54F

7/10/2006 4:11 pm

More comment? How about do it in FEAR. we are saved by his grace.

Your sister in Christ

Jenn

Indescribeable replies on 7/10/2006 6:56 pm:
Fear as in trembling or fear as in reverence?

honest35 54F

7/11/2006 12:14 am

I have some aspirin,if you need it. I think you think to much.I am not scared of the Father I have reverence for him and all he has done.I do what he asks in fear,I know what I am like,so as a wise one told me,do it afraid.

Your sister in Christ

Jenn

imavessel
(M H) 59F

7/11/2006 4:00 pm

I fear Him in reverence.

The other fear--- I am sure is flesh or an enemy tool. Certainly one he will come at me with.

The walkig it out with fear and trembling---both

One, as we're supposed to

& Sometimes walking on despite whatever is bombarding me====

That I know only God helps me do.

& Though still there, has diminished a lot from where it once was.

But totally and completely aware of the Lord---- and personally feel where I might lean a little too far one way---

There are many that don't lean that way at all, and by their actions or inactions- are as if they do not fear God at all.

That is pretty bold. & Am glad I do not have that.

linus801
(Jerry C) 77M

7/12/2006 1:00 am

Re meow.

The only fear God wants in your life is the Awe and reverential fear of the Lord. All other fear is designed to be debillitating and actually come from Satan, so denounce it and send it where it belongs!!