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FaithfulToHim 44F
16 posts
11/8/2010 5:16 am
HEY GIL LETS SEE HOW SERIOUS YOU ARE ABOUT SIN !!!


Hey no, Gil, I actually think its GREAT that you would take a stand against SIN [transgression of the Law] --but let's just see how SERIOUS you really are about it!

[and these are only A FEW of the quotes]




SABBATH QUOTATIONS

“POWERFUL TESTIMONIES!”

The vast majority of Christian churches today teach the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, as a time for rest and worship. Yet it is generally known and freely admitted that the early Christians observed the seventh day as the Sabbath.

HOW DID THIS CHANGE COME ABOUT?

History reveals that it was decades after the death of the apostles that a politico-religious system repudiated the Sabbath of Scripture and substituted the observance of the first day of the week. The following quotations, all from Roman Catholic sources, freely acknowledge that there is no Biblical authority for the observance of Sunday, and that it was the Roman Church that changed the Sabbath to the first day of the week.

In the second portion of this article are quotations from Protestants. Undoubtedly all of these noted clergymen, scholars, and writers kept Sunday, but they all frankly admit that there is no Biblical authority for a first-day sabbath.

ROMAN CATHOLIC CONFESSIONS
James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers, 88th ed., pp. 89.

“But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.”

Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism 3rd ed., p. 174.
“Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

“Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.”

John Laux, A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies (1936), vol. 1, P. 51.

“Some theologians have held that God likewise directly determined the Sunday as the day of worship in the New Law, that He Himself has explicitly substituted the Sunday for the Sabbath. But this theory is now entirely abandoned. It is now commonly held that God simply gave His Church the power to set aside whatever day or days she would deem suitable as Holy Days. The Church chose Sunday, the first day of the week, and in the course of time added other days as holy days.”

Daniel Ferres, ed., Manual of Christian Doctrine (1916), p.67.
“Question: How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days?”

“Answer: By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of, and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.”

James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore (1877-1921), in a signed letter.

“Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer YES. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day —Saturday — for Sunday, the first day? I answer YES. Did Christ change the day? I answer NO.
Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons;”

The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.

“The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.”

Catholic Virginian Oct. 3, 1947, p. 9, art. “To Tell You the Truth.”

“For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the[Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible.”

Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Converts Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957), p. 50.

“Question: Which is the Sabbath day?”
“Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.”

“Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?”
“Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.”

Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About (1927),p. 136.

“Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday .... Now the Church ... instituted, by God's authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. “We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday.”

Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Society (1975),Chicago, Illinois.

“Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:”

“1.) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.”

“2.) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws.”

“It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible.”

T. Enright, C.S.S.R., in a Lecture at Hartford, Kansas, Feb. 18,1884.

“I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic Church says: No. 'By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.' And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church.”

PROTESTANT CONFESSIONS

Protestant theologians and preachers from a wide spectrum of denominations have been quite candid in admitting that there is no Biblical authority for observing Sunday as a sabbath.

Anglican / Episcopal

Isaac Williams, Plain Sermons On The Catechism, vol. 1, pp.334, 336.


“And where are we told in the Scriptures that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day .... The reason why we keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things, not because the Bible, but because the church has enjoined it.”

Canon Eyton, The Ten Commandments, pp. 52, 63, 65.

“There is no word, no hint, in the New Testament about abstaining from work on Sunday .... into the rest of Sunday no divine law enters .... The observance of Ash Wednesday or Lent stands exactly on the same footing as the observance of Sunday.”

Bishop Seymour, Why We Keep Sunday.

“We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy Catholic Church.”

Baptist

Dr. Edward T. Hiscox, a paper read before a New York ministers' conference, Nov. 13, 1893, reported in New York Examiner, Nov.16, 1893.


“There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week .... Where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament absolutely not.”

“To me it seems unaccountable that Jesus, during three years' intercourse with His disciples, often conversing with them upon the Sabbath question .... never alluded to any transference of the day; also, that during forty days of His resurrection life, no such thing was intimated.”

“Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history .... But what a pity it comes branded with the mark of paganism, and christened with the name of the sun god, adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism!”

William Owen Carver, The Lord’s Day In Our Day, p. 49.

“There was never any formal or authoritative change from the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath to the Christian first-day observance.”

Congregationalist

Dr. R. W. Dale, The Ten Commandments (New York: Eaton &Mains), p. 127-129.


“ .... it is quite clear that however rigidly or devotedly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath — . . 'The Sabbath was founded on a specific Divine command. We can plead no such command for the obligation to observe Sunday There is not a single sentence in the New Testament to suggest that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed sanctity of Sunday.”

Timothy Dwight, Theology: Explained and Defended (1823), Ser. 107, vol. 3, p. 258.

“ .... the Christian Sabbath [Sunday] is not in the Scriptures, and was not by the primitive Church called the Sabbath.”

Disciples of Christ

Alexander Campbell, The Christian Baptist, Feb. 2, 1824,vol. 1. no. 7, p. 164.


“'But,' say some, 'it was changed from the seventh to the first day.' Where? When? and by Whom? No man can tell. No; it never was changed, nor could it be, unless creation was to be gone through again: for the reason assigned must be changed before the observance, or respect to the reason, can be changed! It is all old wives’ fables to talk of the change of the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day. If it be changed, it was that august personage who changes times and laws ex officio - I think his name is Doctor Antichrist.”

First Day Observance, pp. 17, 19.

“The first day of the week is commonly called the Sabbath. This is a mistake. The Sabbath of the Bible was the day just preceding the first day of the week. The first day of the week is never called the Sabbath anywhere in the entire Scriptures. It is also an error to talk about the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. There is not in any place in the Bible any intimation of such a change.”

Lutheran

The Sunday Problem, a study book of the United Lutheran Church (1923), p. 36.


“We have seen how gradually the impression of the Jewish sabbath faded from the mind of the Christian Church, and how completely the newer thought underlying the observance of the first day took possession of the church. We have seen that the Christians of the first three centuries never confused one with the other, but for a time celebrated both.”

Augsburg Confession of Faith art. 28; written by Melanchthon, approved by Martin Luther, 1530; as published in The Book of Concord of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Henry Jacobs, ed. (1 91 1), p. 63.

“They [Roman Catholics] refer to the Sabbath Day, a shaving been changed into the Lord's Day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it seems. Neither is there any example whereof they make more than concerning the changing of the Sabbath Day. Great, say they, is the power of the Church, since it has dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments!”

Dr. Augustus Neander, The History of the Christian Religion and Church Henry John Rose, tr. (1843), p. 186.

“The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a Divine command in this respect, far from them, and from the early apostolic Church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday.”

John Theodore Mueller, Sabbath or Sunday, pp. 15, 16.

“But they err in teaching that Sunday has taken the place of the Old Testament Sabbath and therefore must be kept as the seventh day had to be kept by the of Israel .... These churches err in their teaching, for Scripture has in no way ordained the first day of the week in place of the Sabbath. There is simply no law in the New Testament to that effect.”

Methodist

Harris Franklin Rall, Christian Advocate, July 2, 1942, p.26.

“Take the matter of Sunday. There are indications in the New Testament as to how the church came to keep the first day of the week as its day of worship, but there is no passage telling Christians to keep that day, or to transfer the Jewish Sabbath to that day.”

John Wesley, The Works of the Rev. John Wesley, A.M., John Emory, ed. (New York: Eaton & Mains), Sermon 25,vol. 1, p. 221.
“But, the moral law contained in the ten commandments, and enforced by the prophets, he [Christ] did not take away. It was not the design of his coming to revoke any part of this. This is a law which never can be broken .... Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind, and in all ages; as not depending either on time or place, or any other circumstances liable to change, but on the nature of God and the nature of man, and their unchangeable relation to each other.”

Dwight L. Moody

D. L. Moody, Weighed and Wanting (Fleming H. Revell Co.: New York), pp. 47, 48.


“The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God Wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?”

Presbyterian

T. C. Blake, D.D., Theology Condensed, pp.474, 475.

“The Sabbath is a part of the decalogue — the Ten Commandments. This alone forever settles the question as to the perpetuity of the institution .... Until, therefore, it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand .... The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath.”

FaithfulToHim 44F

11/8/2010 5:22 am

Ezek:20:12: Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

Ezek:20:20: And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

SATAN CHANGED THE SIGN POST.


FaithfulToHim 44F

11/8/2010 5:46 am

SUNDAY is our MARK of authority. . . . The church is ABOVE the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.”—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

"She (the Catholic Church) took the pagan Sunday and made it the Christian Sunday... and thus the pagan Sunday, dedicated to Balder (Baal) became the Christian Sunday sacred to Jesus". (Catholic World, March 1894, pg.809)

---------------

Like Elijah, I will say to you,

If God is God then worship HIM

If Baal if God then worship HIM


Do you have the Religion of THE BIBLE? or the Religion of TRADITION and FABLES?

And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! Mark 7:9


jeremiah1five 63M

11/8/2010 8:49 am

Hello C.

You have much to say about Catholicism and the supposed change in the Sabbath Day observance for Christians, and for those Christians who've not been correctly taught or indoctrinated, then yes...there is that idea that Christians do observe the Jewish Sabbath Day on Sunday, but this is error. True Christians who belong to the true Church of Jesus Christ in the world have the Holy Spirit of Truth as their teacher and therefore come under His authority as His disciples. To say that these who are true Christians and observe the Jewish Sabbath Day as part of their liturgy, and under The Spirit's instruction says one of two things about this situation:

1. These disciples are not learning the truth the Spirit is teaching them.

or

2. The Spirit of truth doesn't know what the hell He's teaching them.

I, for one know that true Biblical Christianity for the true born-again Christian do not observe the Jewish Sabbath Day as their day of rest and worship of the Lord. True Biblical Christians observe EVERY DAY as a day of worship and (spiritual) rest to their souls.

Rome does not represent my Christianity. The first Church plant, Antioch, does not represent my Christianity. Neither does the Church in Jerusalem (Acts 15). Otherwise, any instruction as directed to me and for my Christianity would come from either Antioch or Jerusalem, but I do not recognize Rome and the Vatican as authority over my Christianity.

There is only ONE Person who not only has the authority over my life as Sovereign and High Priest that can rule over my affairs in both capacities as Church and State, and that is the one who is worthy to rule, and this Person is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Savior.


BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY:
Where Bible And Christian Meet


If You Only Knew


FaithfulToHim 44F

11/8/2010 11:05 am

Do Christians observe the Jewish Thou shalt not kill?

What about the Jewish Thou shalt not steal?

and what about the Jewish Thou shalt not have any graven images?

Why do you single out the Sabbath as being 'Jewish'?

That makes NO SENSE. Besides that, the Sabbath was instituted BEFORE the Ten Commandments were even given on Mt Sinai.

Then AGAIN given when God gave the Ten Commandments, THUS Jesus said the Sabbath was made FOR MAN.. He didnt say it was made FOR JEWS ONLY.

In addition, in Isaiah 58:12-14 God calls His people to rebuild the old waste places . . . to re-establish Sabbath Keeping.
Satan has torn down the Sabbath. A gap has been made in the law. The enemy is attacking. God is seeking for people to repair the gap.

Ten Reasons why the Sabbath is not Jewish

1) Adam and Eve were not Jewish. "God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it" (Genesis 2:3) before sin entered. "Sanctified" means "to be set apart for holy use." The only ones in the Garden of Eden for whom the Sabbath was "set apart" were Adam and Eve, who weren't Jewish.



2) "The Sabbath was made for man." Mark 2:27. Jesus said this. It was "made" in the Garden of Eden before it was "written" down on Mount Sinai. The Sabbath was "made" for "man," not just Jews.



3) The other nine commandments are not "just for Jews." God wrote "Ten Commandments" on stone, not just nine (See Deut. 4:12, 13; Ex. 20). Does "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," and "Do not bear false witness" apply only to Jews?



4) "The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God." Exodus 20:10. God calls the Sabbath, "my holy day." Isaiah 58:13. The Bible never calls it "the Sabbath of the Jews." It isn't their Sabbath, but God's.



5) The Sabbath commandment is for the "stranger" too. The fourth commandment itself says the "stranger" is to rest on the Sabbath. Exodus 20:10. "Strangers" are non-Jews, or Gentiles. Thus the Sabbath applies to them too. Read also Isaiah 56:6.



6) Isaiah said Gentiles should keep the Sabbath. "Also the sons of the stranger ... every one that keeps the Sabbath ... for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people." Isaiah 56:6, 7. Thus the Sabbath is for Gentiles and "all people," not just for Jews.



7) "All" mankind will keep the Sabbath in the New Earth. In "the new earth ... from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, says the Lord." Isaiah 66:22, 23. Here God says that "all flesh" we will be keeping the Sabbath in "the new earth." If this is the case - and it is - shouldn't we start now?



Gentiles kept the Sabbath in the Book of Acts. "The Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath ... Paul and Barnabas ... persuaded them to continue in the grace of God."' Acts 13:42, 43. Here saved-by-grace Gentiles kept the Sabbath (see also verse 44).



9) "The law" [of Ten Commandments] is for "all the world," not just for Jews. Paul wrote these words. Read Romans 2:17-23; 3:19, 23.



10) Luke was a Gentile who kept the Sabbath. Luke was the only Gentile who wrote any New Testament books (he wrote The Gospel According to St. Luke and The Acts of the Apostles). Luke traveled with Paul and wrote, "On the Sabbath we went out of the city by a river side." Acts 16:13. It was the seventh-day Sabbath, the memorial of the creation (see Ex. 20:11). Both Luke and Paul knew it.


FaithfulToHim 44F

11/8/2010 11:07 am

God has also pronounced a special blessing on all men who keep the Sabbath (Isaiah 56:2), including the Gentiles (Isaiah 56:6-7 ). The Lord requires us to call it "honorable" (Isaiah 58:13). Beware, ye who take delight in calling it the "old Jewish Sabbath," or "a yoke of bondage" (Galatians 5:1), for "His commandments are not grievous" (1 John 5:3).

All the holy prophets kept the seventh day Sabbath. When Jesus Christ came, He kept the Sabbath day all His life (Mark 1:21; 6:2, Luke 4:16; 6:6; 13:10, John 15:10). Jesus was the Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:2. He vindicated the Sabbath as a merciful institution designed for man's good (Matthew 12:8-10, Mark 2:23-28 ). Even after Christ died, the pious women (one of whom was his mother) who had been with Jesus kept the seventh day Sabbath, because the fourth commandment says so (Mark 16:1-2, Luke 23:56). (Did Jesus forget to tell his Mom that the sabbath was to cease at the cross?) This alone shows that those who were with Jesus did not believe the Sabbath was to cease after his death on the cross.

Thirty years after Christ's resurrection, the Holy Spirit expressly called it "the Sabbath day" (Acts:13:14). Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, called it "The Sabbath day" in AD 45 (Acts 13:27). Did not Paul know? Or shall we believe modern teachers, who affirm that it ceased to be the Sabbath at the resurrection of Christ? Luke, the inspired Christian historian, writing as late as AD 62, calls it "the sabbath day" (Acts 13:44). The Gentile converts called it the Sabbath (Acts 13:42). It was Paul’s’ custom to preach upon that day (Acts 17:2). The book of Acts alone gives a record of his holding eighty-four meetings upon that day (Acts 13:14,44; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4,11). It was kept by the apostles after the cross!

There was never any dispute between the bondmen of Christ and the Jews about the Sabbath day. This is proof that the Christians still observed the same day that the Jews did. In all their accusations against Paul (Acts 24:13), they never charged him with disregarding the Sabbath day. Why did they not if he did not keep it? But Paul himself expressly declared that he had kept the law (Acts 25:8 ). How could this be true if he had not kept the Sabbath? Jesus expected the sabbath to be kept by His followers after his death (Matthew 24:20). The Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament 60 times, and always with respect, bearing the same title it had in the Old Testament, "the Sabbath day."


FaithfulToHim 44F

11/8/2010 11:10 am

Its actually AMAZING that modern day Christians who balk at the idea of WORKS are the SAME ONES that seem to HATE the Sabbath REST.

There is NOT ONE PLACE in the Bible that says "every day is the Sabbath" now. Or that "Jesus is my Sabbath".

It is ridiculous to even say that.

If that were the case, God forgot to tell the Apostle Paul that, and all the rest of them.


FaithfulToHim 44F

11/8/2010 11:11 am

Andrew,

Contrary, you DO recognize Rome as your authority, if you are keeping the Sunday Sabbath for it is nowhere to be found in THE BIBLE.


FaithfulToHim 44F

11/8/2010 11:12 am

AT ANY RATE, Im not going to sit here and argue with you, Ive got other things to do.

If you are a serious student of the Scriptures, you can easily go online to the AmazingFacts site and find out the facts. Or the SabbathTruth site.


FaithfulToHim 44F

11/8/2010 11:15 am

It's Jewish
by Uriah Smith


When we present God's holy law,
And arguments from scripture draw,
Objectors say, to pick a flaw,
'It's Jewish.'

Though at the first the Most High blessed
And sanctified His day of rest,
The same belief is still expressed,
'It's Jewish.'

Though with the world this rest began,
And thence through all Scriptures ran,
And Jesus said "'twas made for man"--
'It's Jewish.'

Though not with Jewish rites,
which passed,
But with the moral law 'twas classed,
Which must exist while time shall last,
'It's Jewish.'

If from the Bible we present
The Sabbath's meaning and intent,
This answers every argument--
'It's Jewish.'

Though the disciples, Luke and Paul,
Continue still this rest to call
The 'Sabbath day', this answers all:
'It's Jewish.'

The good news teacher's plain expression,
That " Sin is of the law's transgression,"
Seems not to make the least impression--
'It's Jewish.'

They love the rest of man's invention,
But if the LORD's day we mention,
This puts an end to all contention:
'It's Jewish.'

O ye who thus GOD's day abuse,
Simply because 'twas kept by Jews,
The Saviour, too, you must refuse,
He's Jewish.

The Scriptures, then, we may expect
For the same reason you'll reject;
For if you will but recollect,
They're Jewish.

Thus the apostles, too, must fall;
For Andrew, Peter, James, and Paul,
Thomas, Matthew, John, and all
Were Jewish.

So to your helpless state resign
Yourself in wretchedness to pine;
Salvation, surely you'll decline,
It's Jewish.


hydrateme 68M

11/8/2010 2:02 pm

    Quoting  :

If this be true- then following Satan is just as valid as Following Christ.
Jesus followed Moses Laws and expounded on them, made those laws even more strict and told you if you weren't going to OBEY HIM- go home. Your words here are Satanic drivel and yes- you are a false prophet.


hydrateme 68M

11/8/2010 2:08 pm

    Quoting jeremiah1five:
    Hello C.

    You have much to say about Catholicism and the supposed change in the Sabbath Day observance for Christians, and for those Christians who've not been correctly taught or indoctrinated, then yes...there is that idea that Christians do observe the Jewish Sabbath Day on Sunday, but this is error. True Christians who belong to the true Church of Jesus Christ in the world have the Holy Spirit of Truth as their teacher and therefore come under His authority as His disciples. To say that these who are true Christians and observe the Jewish Sabbath Day as part of their liturgy, and under The Spirit's instruction says one of two things about this situation:

    1. These disciples are not learning the truth the Spirit is teaching them.

    or

    2. The Spirit of truth doesn't know what the hell He's teaching them.

    I, for one know that true Biblical Christianity for the true born-again Christian do not observe the Jewish Sabbath Day as their day of rest and worship of the Lord. True Biblical Christians observe EVERY DAY as a day of worship and (spiritual) rest to their souls.

    Rome does not represent my Christianity. The first Church plant, Antioch, does not represent my Christianity. Neither does the Church in Jerusalem (Acts 15). Otherwise, any instruction as directed to me and for my Christianity would come from either Antioch or Jerusalem, but I do not recognize Rome and the Vatican as authority over my Christianity.

    There is only ONE Person who not only has the authority over my life as Sovereign and High Priest that can rule over my affairs in both capacities as Church and State, and that is the one who is worthy to rule, and this Person is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Savior.

You say Rome does not have authority over YOUR christianity.
SO I must ask- how many timmes have you read the Holy Bible from cover to cover- every word IN PROPER ORDER including the outside covers and anything that may be printed on the "spine"?
How many times is a simple question. Just that question- front to back- every word IN ORDER - how many times?


his4ever2007 72F

11/8/2010 3:11 pm

I thought you were sick of everyone and was leaving again? Must not be a sin to lie, eh?

FAITH...Even when I can't see, I still believe.


jonconnah 51M

11/8/2010 5:02 pm

Answer to Jeremiah's post.

If Rome doesn't represent his Christianity then does Jeremiah:

1. Go to church on Sunday. yes?
2. Celebrate Easter, New Years, or any Lent days. yes?
3. has beliefs associated with mainline denominations that practice infant baptism? yes?
4. mixing secular govt. with Christianity? yes?
5. believes Jesus isn't subordinate to the Father, or believes Jesus knows the time of coming now? yes?
6. use church fathers to support doctrines when most of them were just intellectuals and not spiritually equipped with the truth? yes?
7 support organization in union or affiliated with catholic groups or the catholic church in any way? yes?
8. believes in interfaith projects or missions or accepts the vatican as an independent state unanswerable to any governmental body besides the cardinals etc.? yes?
9. believes in original sin when babies do not sin? yes?
10. believes the 144,000 are not already chosen and that Israel in prophecy is referring to past saved Jews? yes?


Sojourner06 60M
1768 posts
1/11/2015 3:34 am

Note:Uriah Smith (May 3, 1832 – March 6, 1903) was a Seventh-day Adventist author, minister, educator, and theologian who is best known as the longest serving editor of the Review and Herald (now the Adventist Review) for over 50 years.

Jehovahs Witness is an of-spring of Seventh-day Adventists.

Blessings



Mogens

I Can Explain It To You, But I Can’t Understand It For You

Good News For Christian Man ABP

"REVELATION"


Sojourner06 60M
1768 posts
1/11/2015 3:42 am

In Acts we can read how the disciples kept the Sabbath with the Jews AND how they gathered weekly by themselves on the day of the week for the Rising of Jesus Christ.
And Jesus rose from the grave on the day after the Sabbath. The day we now call Sunday.

The Sabbath was created for man (according to Jesus) and not the other way round.
It's not the exact day of the week that does the trick, but to keep a day a week as Sabbath.

Blessings



Mogens

I Can Explain It To You, But I Can’t Understand It For You

Good News For Christian Man ABP

"REVELATION"