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RichardPyle 79M
667 posts
10/27/2011 3:10 pm
Confederate Flags Displayed or Flying?


The bloodiest war in American history, was, and still is the civil war. 500,000 killed, and many more wounded is still a sore spot in our nations history. This war preserved the US Constitution that guarantees free speech.

Putting the Confederate flag on license plates and flying the Confederate flag in the southern states capitals is an issue that seems to not go away. Should it be allowed? Freedom of speech is a right of everyone, but it seems to me that the majority of people decide if someone has this right or not.

Is this issue even a Christian issue? Maybe this depends on where in the USA we live? In the south, it might be approved. In the north, it might not be approved. Southerns will say it is their heritage and their grandparents are just being remembered. They will further say that they have no intentions of starting another civil war, but display the confederate flag as a memorial of the lives lost to everyone, the south especially. My guess is that the south is only using the confederate flag as a memorial. Is our country great enough to allow this?


danZ 46M
48 posts
10/28/2011 1:28 am

The Confederate flag is a symbol of the Confederacy. That is what it represents-not slavery, not racism. It is the symbol of a country that once existed and a rejection of centralized government(how refreshing that would be in todays day and age!)

To tens of millions of southerners, it is family heritage to them because their not to long ago ancestors fought and died for that flag.

A lot of uneducated liberals think the civil war was about slavery even when the war started slavery was still legal and common in washington DC, the capital of the north. Plus a number of Union generals, including Grant, were slave owners.


RichardPyle 79M
701 posts
10/28/2011 11:38 am

    Quoting danZ:
    The Confederate flag is a symbol of the Confederacy. That is what it represents-not slavery, not racism. It is the symbol of a country that once existed and a rejection of centralized government(how refreshing that would be in todays day and age!)

    To tens of millions of southerners, it is family heritage to them because their not to long ago ancestors fought and died for that flag.

    A lot of uneducated liberals think the civil war was about slavery even when the war started slavery was still legal and common in washington DC, the capital of the north. Plus a number of Union generals, including Grant, were slave owners.
It seems to me also that the confederate flag is today a family heritage, rather than a symbol of rebellion now. It's a piece of history that means a lot to some people of the southern states. The country is united now and has began to move on from its civil war past.

I do not see any group of people seriously calling for secession of their state from the union. The flag of the confederacy seems to represent an emotional part of our nations history. When General Lee signed the documents of surrender at Appomattox, the first thing the union soldiers did was to feed food to the rag tag hungry southern soldiers. It was a grand gesture of brotherhood and national unity.

In my opinion if we do not make an issue of the confederate flag, it will then not be an issue. Slavery is not constitutional or moral or christian, even if it was allowed. This flag represents a way of life that they could not give up, but at the end of the war the nation was again one nation.

The civil rights movements has come a long way. The issues of the civil war are mostly history now. The evening vespers of that war and the haunting sound of the bugle have faded. The confederate flag does not bring the past back. It is more a memorial today and a heritage of southern people. As long as people are not trying to resurrect old issues with this symbol I would be okay to just leave them alone. I believe our country is big enough for this.


ladylightwalker

10/28/2011 2:23 pm

Hi Richard, For me, well, I'm southern, and would not fly that flag, as it would offend even my own friends. My family is proud of being from the south and it's rich culture etc., but I know how offensive it is to people who's grandparents etc., were slaves. Just my experience living interacial with extended family. I am remembering in Louisiana driving by plantations, and I could not stop and go into them. They were beautiful, but I got this sense of such sadness and pain. The slave houses are still along the roads some places. Sugar Cane is grown all over so it looks like ya stepped back in time except for the paved road. Good topic.



"Love is Patient..."


RichardPyle 79M
701 posts
10/28/2011 5:04 pm

    Quoting ladylightwalker:
    Hi Richard, For me, well, I'm southern, and would not fly that flag, as it would offend even my own friends. My family is proud of being from the south and it's rich culture etc., but I know how offensive it is to people who's grandparents etc., were slaves. Just my experience living interacial with extended family. I am remembering in Louisiana driving by plantations, and I could not stop and go into them. They were beautiful, but I got this sense of such sadness and pain. The slave houses are still along the roads some places. Sugar Cane is grown all over so it looks like ya stepped back in time except for the paved road. Good topic.
It is quite obvious that you and friends are still sensitive to the civil war and issues surrounding it. Its very nice to hear from someone of the South about this. For you and many others perhaps this flag brings back haunting memories of this terrible conflict, the pain and suffering that still lingers even today.

My guess is that people who want to fly the confederate flag and put it on their car license plate are trying to find some closure to these awful memories by using this symbol as a memorial. Just as veterans of our many wars find some help in visiting the national memorials like the Vietnam war, the new WWII memorial, the new Martin L. King Memorial, maybe this flag is all the south has in the form of a memorial.

I know it sounds crazy, but maybe the south should erect somewhere in the south, like in Charleston, a fitting memorial to all those who died in the civil war. It should be a tribute to both north and south but located in the south.

I wish those slave houses along the road would be torn down. But, maybe not, as the crematories of the Jewish holocaust are left standing as a reminder of that tragedy. It sounds to me like something is needed today for closure. I believe now we need something more than the confederate flag on license plates. We maybe need a fitting memorial but located in the South. This war was and is still our nations largest. Yet, we have no memorial to help people deal with it.


ladylightwalker

10/29/2011 7:23 pm

I have been to a few battle sites/museums here. They are the memorials I guess. I never have looked into if we have one big memorial or not. My great grandfather fought at Pea Ridge here. Oh, and for the Confederacy. He lived obviously ha. Thanks for the understanding comments. It is a deep subject for sure...



"Love is Patient..."


RichardPyle 79M
701 posts
10/29/2011 10:51 pm

    Quoting ladylightwalker:
    I have been to a few battle sites/museums here. They are the memorials I guess. I never have looked into if we have one big memorial or not. My great grandfather fought at Pea Ridge here. Oh, and for the Confederacy. He lived obviously ha. Thanks for the understanding comments. It is a deep subject for sure...
There are battlefield memorials here and there around the country. I have often wanted to go to Gettysburg, but I don't know if I am emotionally ready for this. The site is not only sacred, but also reportedly one of the most haunted grounds in America. Before I go I need to be sure I have enough respect for what happened there.

What I am talking about is a national memorial for the civil war, not just places here and there. The ones in Washington, D.C. that I have visited are for the nation. They are visited daily by people from all over the world. They are an agreed upon place for the nation to meet and find some healing if possible and move on from that.

The experience people have at these national memorials is very moving. At Lincoln's memorial women were crying, also Roosevelt's, and I was very touched. At Arlington cemetery it was hard to even grasp what it represented. People were not allowed to talk in places above a whisper.


ladylightwalker

10/30/2011 5:58 pm

I've been to the "Moving Wall" when it was here. The vets do a great job with that. Run the whole thing... but would like to go the one in Washington D.C. too. And the others you wrote about here. Blessings



"Love is Patient..."


RichardPyle 79M
701 posts
10/31/2011 3:25 pm

    Quoting ladylightwalker:
    I've been to the "Moving Wall" when it was here. The vets do a great job with that. Run the whole thing... but would like to go the one in Washington D.C. too. And the others you wrote about here. Blessings
I hope you can someday make the trip to Washington, D.C. The city is alive with energy that you can feel immediately and all the time you are there. The city is a very large storehouse of museums, galleries, memorials, and replica's. Seeing pictures is never the same as actually being there. The Park Service, in my opinion, provides the best tour. Blessings always.