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RichardPyle 79M
667 posts
2/12/2011 4:30 pm
Your Right To Choose Is Inviolable



Even God Himself won't force your right to choose. The more I think about it and understand it, the freedom of choice is indeed stunning. The hinge of history is a long list of people and empires that violated the right of choice and turned one way or another on this violation.

However, whoever owns the house has the right to make house rules. Still, we don't have to stay in the house. But, if we choose to stay in the dwelling, we must respect the rules of the owner.

Dictators, and leaders who are insensitive to the right of the people to choose, do so at their own peril. History is on the side of the right to choose and self determination. There was a TV series and movie sequel called Star Trek. The prime directive was to never ever interfere in the development of another culture so as to force change the direction of the culture development. This was the most sacred and inviolable rule given to the captain and crew of each star ship. The universal lesson was well understood by the 23rd century. We harm our self and sometimes beyond repair when we force another sentient being or nation to choose against their will.

As a nation, The USA has suffered this violation when we tried to force governmental changes without respecting the choice of the people of that culture. The results of this violation on our part were worse than what we had before we made the change. Our lesson in the Vietnam war is an example. If I read history right, our government was supportive of the assignation of Diem, the minister in charge of South Vietnam. What we got after his assassination was no better and some say worse. Then we got sucked into this war, never lost a battle, but did not win the war to force our government choice on the people because the vietnamese people were not so opposed to Ho Chi Minh as he only wanted to free his people from foreign domination by the French, the Chinese, the Russians, the USA, and any other country who had aspirations for running Vietnam for themselves. The American people in my opinion finally saw the truth of this violation of the right of the people of Vietnam to choose their government and we lost faith in our intervention and we had to get out. It cost us 55,000 lives and many more maimed in mind, body, and spirit.

The right to choose for individuals, and groups, cultures, and nations of people is sacred, or we suffer the consequences. No dominating person, or nation is well remembered in history and often as not do not even survive. Even if a bully person or nation lives out their life, it is not much of a life, but one of paranoia, anxiety, health issues and violence. Live by the sword, die by the sword, said Jesus.

This right of choice is true even in marriage relationships. Domination does not work.


weepingprophet15
(Andrew )
63M

2/12/2011 8:31 pm

QUOTE: "Even God Himself won't force your right to choose."

RESPONSE: We are born servants of sin. Do you understand the literal Biblical definition of "sin?"

If you did you may not have made such a heretical statement as the one above.

Paul likens our lives as slaves of sin. How much "freewill" does a slave have...especially under the power and grip of a cruel task-master as sin?

God knows that if left to yourself to choose you would NOT choose the light that has come into the world because your deeds are EVIL! Neither will you come to the Light (Christ).

Reason?

BOUND in sin. The stronger man needs to release you and the choice is His as to who and when He will do it (save).

God won't "force" you because He knows that as in Adam ALL sin and fall short of the glory of God.

No. your right to choose between chocolate and vanilla is only present IF there is chocolate and vanilla available to you to choose from.

But in spiritual matters we are ALL bound in sin and our nature chooses ALWAYS the sin.


John 3:19-20..."And this is the condemnation, that light (Christ) is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light (Christ), because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light (Christ), neither cometh to the light (Christ), lest his deeds should be reproved."

Men love darkness rather than Christ.

Men hate Christ.

Men neither come to Christ.

Because of sin.

There is NO FREE WILL, pal.

I think you are deceived.

Jesus has spoken.

Will you receive His Word?


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RichardPyle 79M
701 posts
2/13/2011 12:04 am

    Quoting  :

I would rather be loved by choice than loved by force. Thanks, for the welcome.


weepingprophet15
(Andrew )
63M

2/13/2011 7:09 am

    Quoting RichardPyle:

    Jesus leveled the playing field, giving us now the freedom to choose that sin took away. Once again, our right to choose is inviolable. Now in Christ we are on the way into a spiritual process of transformation from light to darkness. WE can now choose every day to follow the light in our daily events.
You are supposing that Adam was created sinless. If this is true can something Holy become unholy? And to carry it to the next conclusion God is holy. At what time will He become unholy since you teach that a holy "thing" can become unholy?

Your Arminian theology was rejected by the Church as heresy.

You must answer all questions to a full Biblical satisfaction and conclusion. You have much loose ends in your understanding. Could it be that the tares allowed of God to grow along the true wheat that someone told you you can become saved if you would only "accept Jesus into your heart" and you said a sinner's prayer which is a lie. Every time Jesus delivered someone in Scripture it was a traumatic thing to be torn from darkness and carried into the light. It was a serious experience that was not sterile. Every Biblical conversion came with loud cries, weeping, shouting, and even this needed to be discerned from true regeneration and emotionalism.

If Jesus atoned for sin and made everyone able to choose Him or not, then on what basis are the unsaved judged since Jesus freed them from sin? Your conclusions teach universalism and this, too, is unBiblical.

Either Jesus died on the cross and ACTUALLY saved someone, or He did not...and only made salvation "possible." If you believe this then the actual conclusion will have to be that Jesus saved NO ONE and was a complete failure.

Matt. 1:21.


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weepingprophet15
(Andrew )
63M

2/13/2011 7:30 am

    Quoting  :

Two kingdoms. You are in one or another.

You are born bound in sin until as such time the stronger Man comes to deliver you and that deliverance does not put you in limbo between both kingdoms. You are either in one or the other.

And in BOTH kingdom you are a SERVANT. Servants have no rights. The United States Constitution is based on Arminian theology.

Apply the Word of God to it. Either that document is Scriptural or it is not.

The Americanization of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is alive and well in gismo.


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chocnroses 69F
2405 posts
2/13/2011 9:25 pm

Even God Himself won't force your right to choose.
Exactly what I was thinking!


RichardPyle 79M
701 posts
2/15/2011 12:01 am

    Quoting chocnroses:
    Even God Himself won't force your right to choose.
    Exactly what I was thinking!
For God to leave something free of His control in His creation is stunning. Angels do His bidding because that is their job. But human beings can choose and learn to choose better. Perhaps this is His image in full form. But, I really do believe that it is a most sacred right of each person and any misuse or abuse of it is harmful to the perpetrator and perhaps even to the victim in some instances and so long as their are responsible.