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hazelpride 53F
260 posts
8/22/2010 4:05 pm
What happens to the consequences of SIN, when God forgives our sins?


When we repent to our sins, God did promise as the bible teaches that there will be forgiven.

Yet, today I would like us to focus on the fact that we still need to balance the equation. God will forgive the sin, but we still face the consequence of that sin.

I do hope I can be able to elaborate my point and maybe I am wrong, it would be learning curve for me too. I would be happy to hear your views on this matter.

Looking at David, David sinned but did not live in sin because when confronted with sin he always displayed strong efforts to return to God and always did show loyality. David had a passion and love for God yet like us was overcome by weakness of the body.

When David committed adultery with Uriah and had his husband killed and as a result of the adultery a was born. Although David was remorseful for his action, he still had to pay for the consequences of his sin. The born as a result of his union with Uriah died, and I believe this was judgement from God.

Look at Samson his disobidence cost him his life when he told the secret of his power to Delilah a who was send by the Philistines to trap him. We see the last part of his life he called out to God to help him get his power back.

I do think that yes God will forgive our sins yet we still have to face up to the consequences of our sin. If one fornicates for example and becomes pregnant and catches a disease, God will forgive the deed, but the born as a result of the act will be there and the struggles that come with the will still be there. The disease will also be there. What would have changed is the heart condition of that individual. Just like God did forgive Adam and Eve when they sinned but they still needed to face up the the consequence of being disobedience, which is death.

I hope I made sense, if not please forgive. Amen!!

Kayswhims 60F

8/22/2010 5:51 pm

Yes, I understand what your saying. We still have to face the consequences and they are a reminder of the destruction of sin. Uriah was Bathsheba's husband. The son that died was David and Bathsheba's child.


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/22/2010 6:39 pm

you can face life's consequences, but David was a Jew, not a Christian; as was Sampson. Your sin, past present and future is forgiven when you receive Christ. The issue is repentance and God brings us to that with his goodness and kindness


ladylightwalker

8/22/2010 7:11 pm

Not only do we reap what we sow, but the Father chastises those who are His. Sometimes He shows mercy tho, I have experienced. And He never leaves us, even when we are grieving a loss due to sin. This I know. Good post and blessings to ya.



"Love is Patient..."


jeremiah1five 63M

8/22/2010 7:25 pm

    Quoting Tropical_Man:
    you can face life's consequences, but David was a Jew, not a Christian; as was Sampson. Your sin, past present and future is forgiven when you receive Christ. The issue is repentance and God brings us to that with his goodness and kindness
David looked forward to Christ (Messiah).

This makes him a CHRISTian.


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crucified777 60M

8/22/2010 8:06 pm

I do think that yes God will forgive our sins yet we still have to face up to the consequences of our sin.

I agree a lot of people believe that just because GOD forgives sin that it's okay but it's not if we sin we do have an advocate with the Father and HE is faithful to cleanse us from ALL OUR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS but the product of that sin still will come forth..

Gal 6 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

preachers like to use this scripture for tithing purposes but it's not for that...this is to show that whatsoever you sow will produce whether good or bad you will reap the fruit of it..WHAT IS OF THE FLESH?..WHAT IS OF THE SPIRIT?...yes GOD will forgive us if we repent but HE WILL NOT BE MOCKED

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jeremiah1five 63M

8/23/2010 7:36 am

    Quoting  :

Oh, no. Billy Graham has done MUCH damage to the cause of Christ and Christianity.

Much damage!


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hazelpride 53F
303 posts
8/23/2010 9:19 am

Thank you for all your response. Crucified777 it is true, what we sow of the flesh we reap of the flesh. Thank you.
And Donny you are very right, nothing that happens in our lives happens no particular reason, no matter how small. I have had questions answered through blogs I have read, so yes God will always be there when we call him even when we are crying out as a result of our sins.


hazelpride 53F
303 posts
8/23/2010 10:59 am

Jeremiah1five, maybe I might be wrong in how I have perceived you. I do enjoy your contributions to my blogs, but have realised that you focus on people's negative contribution rather than their positive. Sometimes it's good to teach people but at other times to let it go is not so bad. I hope you won't be offended by my observation. I feel you tend to bruise people's esteem if all you see is the negative rather than the positive.

It is easier to be critical than to let it slide. Food for thought.


jeremiah1five 63M

8/23/2010 11:21 am

    Quoting hazelpride:
    Jeremiah1five, maybe I might be wrong in how I have perceived you. I do enjoy your contributions to my blogs, but have realised that you focus on people's negative contribution rather than their positive. Sometimes it's good to teach people but at other times to let it go is not so bad. I hope you won't be offended by my observation. I feel you tend to bruise people's esteem if all you see is the negative rather than the positive.

    It is easier to be critical than to let it slide. Food for thought.
The esteem that gets bruised by my boldness and the Word of God in my soul will affect those who live on emotions and rely on feelings to get through their day.

Man shall not live by feelings alone...

BUT BY THE WORD OF GOD!

ALL prophets of God came to direct the people of God to God. They focused on what was wrong in the direction people were going and in the false beliefs they held of God.

Any false belief of God is to erect another god, and in this it does not glorify the One True God.

I know my Bible, Hazel, and I seek true brethren who also know, and if they don't know, then ask.

The Word of tells me what to believe.

It tells me who are the obedient and who are not.

It tells me who is my family and who is not.

I am careful as to who I call brother and who I call sister...

We must have the same Father!


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hazelpride 53F
303 posts
8/23/2010 2:23 pm

Valleywest1

Sinning is a human condition and it happens everyday to most, just depends with the type of sin. That is why we still go down on our kneels and confess, of our sins everyday.

Prov 20 verse 9: who can say I have made my heart clean i am pure from my sin.

Ecclesiastes 7 V 20: For there is not a just man upon earth that doeth good and sinneth not.

It is when we are forgiven for our sins, we still have to face up to their consequences.


jeremiah1five 63M

8/24/2010 5:26 am

    Quoting jeremiah1five:
    The esteem that gets bruised by my boldness and the Word of God in my soul will affect those who live on emotions and rely on feelings to get through their day.

    Man shall not live by feelings alone...

    BUT BY THE WORD OF GOD!

    ALL prophets of God came to direct the people of God to God. They focused on what was wrong in the direction people were going and in the false beliefs they held of God.

    Any false belief of God is to erect another god, and in this it does not glorify the One True God.

    I know my Bible, Hazel, and I seek true brethren who also know, and if they don't know, then ask.

    The Word of tells me what to believe.

    It tells me who are the obedient and who are not.

    It tells me who is my family and who is not.

    I am careful as to who I call brother and who I call sister...

    We must have the same Father!

Hazel...

Do you disagree with anything I say?

If not why can't you say...

Amen?

And if you do, don't you love me enough to correct me?


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jeremiah1five 63M

8/24/2010 8:01 am

    Quoting hazelpride:
    Jeremiah1five, maybe I might be wrong in how I have perceived you. I do enjoy your contributions to my blogs, but have realised that you focus on people's negative contribution rather than their positive. Sometimes it's good to teach people but at other times to let it go is not so bad. I hope you won't be offended by my observation. I feel you tend to bruise people's esteem if all you see is the negative rather than the positive.

    It is easier to be critical than to let it slide. Food for thought.
Oh, and by the way...

You are wrong about me.


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hazelpride 53F
303 posts
8/24/2010 10:45 am

I disagree with how sometimes you come so hard on criticizing, even correcting. It's the way you put it across, not what you say sometimes.

You seem to be well read, but you appear to love confrontation and that is something no-one can correct, but you.

What is a shame is that you are well read, and your contribution could come to good reading only if you presentation was a bit different.

You obviously a great guy, and a good christian, we all love GOD, and hoping to be on the same side.

My question to you is CAN YOU LISTEN TO OTHERS, if you can, maybe listen to me when I say, you may need to change your approach.


jeremiah1five 63M

8/25/2010 7:05 pm

    Quoting hazelpride:
    I disagree with how sometimes you come so hard on criticizing, even correcting. It's the way you put it across, not what you say sometimes.

    You seem to be well read, but you appear to love confrontation and that is something no-one can correct, but you.

    What is a shame is that you are well read, and your contribution could come to good reading only if you presentation was a bit different.

    You obviously a great guy, and a good christian, we all love GOD, and hoping to be on the same side.

    My question to you is CAN YOU LISTEN TO OTHERS, if you can, maybe listen to me when I say, you may need to change your approach.
I behave as a prophet behaves. Specifically in the spirit and power as Jeremiah. I come across boldly as Jeremiah. I confront error and sin. I confront wrong things said about the One True God. Do you?

You desire I conform my presentation according to your dictates? I prefer to conform my presentation as God has commanded me to present it. Who do you think I will obey? If I were in Israel and giving my "presentation" they would ask me "Why are you so soft?"

No, we all do not love God. Speak for yourself. A person who sins against Christ is showing their hate for the Lord. The one in obedience (If you love me, you will obey me), is the one I see that loves God.

As much as a person in sin does not listen to God, nor does God listen to their prayers and answer the desire of their heart, the same I listen to an obedient saint as much as I close my ears to a disobedient one.

I do as my Father does.

My friendships and fellowship with brethren is built on Christ of Scripture. When you say a true thing about my Lord and my God, I say "Amen!" When you don't, then the Word of God is supposed to correct you. And when correction brings one into alignment with the Word of God...

Then we have fellowship.

Boy! Will we have fellowship!

In the multitude of counselors I am safe. In the multitude of idiots my life is in jeopardy. Therefore, I seek solid brethren and fellow-soldiers who have the testicular fortitude to stand...and having done all...

To stand.


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