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skystar13 57F
761 posts
8/12/2008 2:44 pm
THIS SINLESS PERFECTIONIST- NEEDS AN EXORCISM!

This is a 100% direct quote from GORDY505... the "perfect" example of why you should NOT be decieved by him or listen to his foolish brand of nonsense"

For real Gordy... I know you think you are just two letters away from being God- but do us all a favor and get back on the meds- please!


Yes.
Jesus- in His time here WAS an "angel"- and in the 4 Gospels STILL IS an "angel". SO why did you have to ask this STUPID question? WHo do you think you are fooling with your BAITING of someone else when YOU are the wicked unlearned "smart ass" woman in this case? Hmmmmm?
Your primary question is FULLY DECEPTIVE and does nothing but bastardize Christ. ignorant loser.



God's love reaches all- growing means thinking outside the box... love one another


vintagetin
(Steve J)
64M

8/20/2008 8:42 pm

Cool


Hidden_Treasure 66F

8/20/2008 11:18 am

    Quoting skystar13:
    Oh yeah, that's what this post was about... everyone went chasin' all them other wabbits... I almost forgot.

    Dennis, Claudia... I know it comes a total shock but this just ain't about you. Why do you two always have to find an excuse to have at it? After all of is time and arguing can't the two of you just call a truce and find a way to agree to disagree, or something please!

    It's gettin' old with the two of you in your battle of doctrines- gee and you wonder why people don't like doctrine- yeah that's a real head scratcher... like a dog chasin' it's tail- it's a vicious cycle- give it a rest!
Because I was talking to Intpretation about what she posted.

And as far as giving it a rest I guess its about as easy as you and Merlin giving it a rest.

Why did you start this topic about Jesus/Angel in the first place and not expect it to be discussed? If someone like Interpretation is going to sit and wonder why others like Dennis keep saying that we are saying Jesus is a literal Angel, I really dont see why you would expect me not to say something about it.

But anyway I will just keep away from your blog.

Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.


vintagetin
(Steve J)
64M

8/18/2008 10:01 am

Oh, I go off on tangents just like anyone else, but usually it has to do with that hummingbird that just peeked at me through the porch screen or some other such nonsense hehehe


vintagetin
(Steve J)
64M

8/17/2008 3:36 pm

Mybad, I tend to look at things simply, like a child would. Was this supposed to be complicated?


vintagetin
(Steve J)
64M

8/14/2008 2:48 pm

Gordy's quote there is quite something, how Christlike


BristerBate 70M
6377 posts
8/14/2008 12:48 pm

I certainly can't understand why using so much time and efforts in defending the "angel attribute" on Jesus??

Let it be! Let angels be angels, messengers be messengers, and Jesus be Jesus.

What Jesus really is, is the CORE of the entire Christianity!!!

I already tried to explain WHY to avoid it altogether!

Here: ===> [post 130366]

There are a lot of old posts that take up each bible verse sustaining FOR and AGAINST!

The majority is AGAINST using that title on Jesus!! And even less making him the same and equal to the archangel Michael.


Hidden_Treasure 66F

8/14/2008 11:46 am

Interpretation,

Let me just add to what I said, Dennis is OBSESSED with trying to make me look bad...

and you see, its the easiest weapon for him, the Angel/Jesus thing... because that way he can make people actually believe that I teach that Jesus isnt God.

Which of course couldnt be further from the truth.

anyway its not going to make any sense because basically what hes doing is setting up a "Straw Man" arguement... then knocking it down.. in other words, making an arguement out of something I didnt even say to begin with....

Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.


Hidden_Treasure 66F

8/14/2008 11:39 am

    Quoting Interpretation:
    I don't get it.
    As far as I understand...Angel in it's meaning is 'messenger'. Jesus was God in human form as a messenger so that fits into the meaning of the word.

    I read some of the angel posts and I just don't get all the hub bub.
    If read in completion, I dont see where the insinuation is that Jesus was likened to one of the angels of heaven being tossed down to earth.

    I understood it to be a comparison of vocabulary.

    Sometimes we have to think outside of our native language of English. Other languages use words differently. And even in our language a single word is used in multiple ways. Generic terms can be differentiated from specifics. Rollerblades don't always mean that brand of skate.
Interpretation,

To be truly honest with you, Dennis will do ANYTHING tp try to make me look bad. So thats why he keeps on about the Angel thing. hes well aware I never meant or said that Jesus was a LITERAL Angel or that he is a created being. Hes also well aware I say and believe Jesus is the Creator-God.

He will keep this up till kingdom come. Trying to act like I said something I didnt say.

He also keeps trying to make it seem like Gordy is a Seventh Day Adventist because he realizes Gordy isnt so popular at BC and thus, he can make me look bad to associate Gordy with me.

Thats why you dont get it, it isnt really "getable" its ridicuclous.

Angel simply means Messenger... its terminology the Bible uses. The old testament even refers to John the Baptist as an "angel" and called the angel Gabriel a "man" in the book of Daniel.

Dennis will just keep on acting like he doesnt understand what I mean.

Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.


BristerBate 70M
6377 posts
8/13/2008 2:03 pm

Doesn't Matthew 26:52 read:

... Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

The sword should be the Word of God, not the sword of man!

Romans 12:21 reads: Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Do all get the same spiritual gifts? NO! Let's keep on our granted domain!

1 Corinthians 12:4: Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

1 Corinthians 14:12: Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.


TEST the Spirits and walk in the Right Spirit:

1 John 4:1: Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

John 14:26: But the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Galatians 5:16: This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

1 Peter 1:22: Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently.

1 John 3:11: For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.



Aslan17
(Jeff S)
62M

8/13/2008 12:39 pm

    Quoting skystar13:
    Well, he deletes all of my posts too... not sure if I am banned and don't really care much either. He's just so mean and abusive in his comments to people when they dare to disagree with him and then he goes on and on about this sinless perfection thing.

    For real, if He has achieved any level of that... it sure ain't showin'. I hate to be the one to break it to him, but he makes for a really lousey poster child when it comes to his screwy doctrinal theories... not sure if it's religion or self imposed- all I know is it just ain't right!

    That's what I was trying to point out here. I don't really care if he believes that Jesus was an angel or not- doesn't really affect me as long as He's my saviour... and thankfully by God's grace He is, and I am a sinner saved by grace- and I am forgiven... imperfections and all!
There does seem to be a large gap between the profession of the doctrine and its demonstration in behavior!

The post you quoted is typical of Gordy. The attitude that comes through overwhelms any "message" that he is trying to get across.

We are what we believe we are.
C. S. Lewis


Interpretation
(Darlene G)
57F
1316 posts
8/13/2008 5:00 am

I think people read what they want to read.
No me entienden.


Aslan17
(Jeff S)
62M

8/12/2008 10:30 pm

    Quoting skystar13:
    Wow... looks like opened up a can on this one... really all I was doing was trying to warn people who were falling for some of his twisted logic and maybe get Gordy back on his meds... LoL that's all! Yikes!
Got myself banned on Gordy's blog for simply asking a question!

He says it will only be temporary? I think he just can't handle it!

We are what we believe we are.
C. S. Lewis


chocnroses 69F
2405 posts
8/12/2008 10:19 pm

No, theres no can of worms! Think we're mostly being ok with each other arent we? GBU!


chocnroses 69F
2405 posts
8/12/2008 8:54 pm

    Quoting Tropical_Man:
    Choc:Jesus was made a little lower than the angels when He was born in the flesh ... psalm 103 .. 20-22 Bless the Lord you His angels, who excel in strength, who do His word, heeding the voice of His word .. Bless the Lord all you His hosts, you ministers of His, who do His pleasure .. Bless the Lord, all His works, in all places of His dominion, bless the Lord oh my soul! Jesus is not an angel, He is God! Hope this helps, GBU

    . Jesus has two natures, God and man. Man is created a little less than the Angels. But Jesus was also God, and that scripture does not say anything about him being an Angel. Understanding God come in the flesh is very self explantory.
psalm 103 is about who the angels are in relation to God, they are His ministers and are under His authority. Jesus was always God come to earth and born in the flesh, scrip says He was made a little lower than the angels, when that happened... GBU


chosenson2 68M
1117 posts
8/12/2008 8:17 pm

    Quoting Tropical_Man:
    He was God, how can he be his own messenger? John the Baptist is a messenger. The Bible is very clear that Angels are created beings, created by God. Its simple. Knowing exactly who Jesus is is everything. Not something to stick your nose up in the air about.
If He God, He can be anything he wants to be. Whether we understand how He does it or not. He was God and became human, didn't He?. And I'm not sticking my nose up in the air about anything.


chocnroses 69F
2405 posts
8/12/2008 7:30 pm

    Quoting Tropical_Man:
    I am with you on this one. Very good of you to point it out. Jesus Christ was God come in the flesh that gave atonement with his blood for the atonement of mankind.

    I am going to say something that perhaps to some may seem harsh, but to those that know and Love God because of their relationship to Jesus Christ, just truthful. I do not believe any person that has received Jesus Christ as their savior can call him an Angel. If you have received Jesus Christ as your savior, you will know he is Godl part of the trinity, three in one.

    This is why, when I read someone saying Jesus was an Angel, then they do not in any way know Jesus Christ as lord and savior, because to do that, you know he is God.

    Some of here can have our differences about things, but the one tir that must bind in order for us to be real brothers and sisters is that Jesus is Lord and that he is God. Otherwise, those people are not saved. Not because of our discernment regarding who we think they are, but because of who they propose Jesus is.

    There is a box for God, its called his word. That is where we will know who he is. That is where we will determine if something is of God. The word warns of "other Jesus's". Gordy's Jesus is clearly not "the Jesus". I am not sure if he is a Jehovah's wittness or whatever, but one thing is clear based on his proclamation of who Jesus is... he is not a born again believer.
Jesus was made a little lower than the angels when He was born in the flesh ... psalm 103 .. 20-22 Bless the Lord you His angels, who excel in strength, who do His word, heeding the voice of His word .. Bless the Lord all you His hosts, you ministers of His, who do His pleasure .. Bless the Lord, all His works, in all places of His dominion, bless the Lord oh my soul! Jesus is not an angel, He is God! Hope this helps, GBU!


chosenson2 68M
1117 posts
8/12/2008 6:40 pm

Jesus is God. Part of the Holy Trinity. Plain and simple. Angels are messengers. I think He may have acted in the capacity of an angel in the old testament when dealing with Abraham, regarding Melchizedek. Even so, it still wouldn't change who His is. If you dress up as a pirate on halloween, does that make you one? (I know it's a poor example, but you get the point) To be honest, I don't understand the fascination with these types of questions, and why people get hung up on them. Once we get to Heaven and see Him face to face....that stuff won't matter anyway.

As far as Gordy is concerned, use this rule of thumb.....the next time he's right will be the first time, so what ever he says, believe the opposite.

And I agree with Trop on that one. I don't' think he is either. I just told him off on my blog. Then I banned him. Good (or should I say Gordy) riddance.


Interpretation
(Darlene G)
57F
1316 posts
8/12/2008 6:31 pm

I don't get it.
As far as I understand...Angel in it's meaning is 'messenger'. Jesus was God in human form as a messenger so that fits into the meaning of the word.

I read some of the angel posts and I just don't get all the hub bub.
If read in completion, I dont see where the insinuation is that Jesus was likened to one of the angels of heaven being tossed down to earth.

I understood it to be a comparison of vocabulary.

Sometimes we have to think outside of our native language of English. Other languages use words differently. And even in our language a single word is used in multiple ways. Generic terms can be differentiated from specifics. Rollerblades don't always mean that brand of skate.