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Tropical_Man 68M
6573 posts
8/11/2010 6:15 am
The Simplicity of the Gospel


Yesterday my friend Will and I met with another friend, Sherwin. We met at a Wendy's in Longwood, Florida at 11 am. The conversation started out About politics, the godless democrats and how socialism is trying to destroy our country; let alone the fact that it has failed everywhere in the world. All of that was easy to agree on.

Then we went back to the Gospel of Christ. What is it. Well, that is when it becomes interesting when legalism and Grace spar. For Will and I, it is different than it was a majority of our lives. We can see where Christianity begun. We can see where prophecy is fulfilled. We can see where the believer needs to rest in todays life.

In Jer 31:31-34 God Shows us a preview:

31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. 33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

That was the proclamation of the New Covenant of Christ. He puts his moral law within us.

But what must a man do to be saved?

The word says first that God sent his into the world because he loved us that the world might be saved. Jesus was sent into the world for everyone.

The word says that all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. This puts everyone in the same boat with a decision to make.

John the Baptist proclaimed when he saw Jesus come to be baptised, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world". The Sin of the world has been taken away if you receive the forgiveness.

First John 1:9 is the way of Salvation. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Romans 3:
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. 27 Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. 28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

Prayer of Salvation

Lord Jesus I confess to you that I am a sinner and separated from God because of my sin. I ask you to forgive me of my sin and to come into myu life as Lord and Savior. I believe that you died for those sins and that you alone can save me. Thank You Lord

We see that all fall short. We see the remedy. We see that it is an act of faith and not an accomplishment of works of any kind.

The problem we had with Sherwin is that he reads these books that state apostle Paul should be ignored...well then you throw out 2/3rds of the New Testament and the person that promoted the New Covenant more than anyone. He wishes to believe somehow that what Jesus said, Paul did not say.

The Gospel is simple. It is about faith and trusting in Christ to be your savior. In the old Covenant you did this and God did that. In the new covenant, Things are, because of what Jesus did. You are righteous before God because of what Jesus did. You are complete because of what he did. It is never about us. It is all about him. That is what being washed means. Clean because of what he did and nothing we can do. Otherwise Jesus never need come.

The Gospel is
A: Realizing all fall short and have sinned and that because of that sin you are separated from God

B: Recognizing that Jesus Christ gave his life so that you could be forgiven and have a personal relationship with God

C: Once You receive Christ as savior you have eternal life because of him

But What now?

Good Question...but look at what Jesus stated in the Gospel of John. He told people that the words he spoke and the miracles he did were not his words or miracles, but of his father.

This is called abiding, allowing to live through you. We aren't called to emulate. We are called to abide. Jesus went on to say that he is the vine and we are the branches. Real life in branches comes from the vine. To thrive the branch has to be in the vine and receiving from it. Paul stated it is no longer him that lived but rather Christ living through him. That is Christianity.

Our moral guide is written on our hearts as born again believers. God stated in Jer that I shared above the writing of right and wrong on our hearts.

Its simple. It is about relationship and not law keeping. You can not mix an old defunct Covenant only meant for the Jews with the New.

First Tim One states:

6 For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, 7 wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions. 8 But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers...

{turned aside to fruitless discussions... steeped in the law hmmn}

The Gospel is simple. Admit you have sinned, receive the one time forgiveness of past present and future sin. Then allow Jesus to live through you...that's it....It is simple because it is for everyone. Man complicates it. God did/does not

Ifyouonlyrealize 66F

8/11/2010 12:08 pm

New Covenant

Heb:10:16: This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them

It is not the law that is defunct.


Ifyouonlyrealize 66F

8/11/2010 12:09 pm

Will you, as a retort, do 10 posts about Ellen White?


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/11/2010 12:21 pm

very well stated


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/11/2010 2:15 pm

actually the law is dead. Dead to believers because we arent justified in keeping the law. we are justified by what Jesus did on that cross.

I guess you missed this scripture:
6 For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, 7 wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions. 8 But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers...


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/11/2010 2:17 pm

and dont forget Collosians 2 that warns against this:

10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. 11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with [Him] through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in [false] humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase [that is] from God. 20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as [though] living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations -- 21 "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle," 22 which all concern things which perish with the using -- according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, [false] humility, and neglect of the body, [but are] of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/11/2010 2:20 pm

and dont let Galatians 3 make you cry where the law is called a curse to Christians as Jesus is now our tutor:

(KJV) Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if [it be] yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, [doeth he it] by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/11/2010 2:20 pm

this is just too easy


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/11/2010 2:23 pm

10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/11/2010 2:25 pm

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14 For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 17 For he testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God. 20 And inasmuch as not without an oath [he was made priest]: 21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec 22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. 23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24 But this [man], because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 26 For such an high priest became us, [who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. 28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, [maketh] the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/11/2010 2:27 pm

its sad when people miss out on God's grace which is the New Covenenat with the father.


ladylightwalker

8/11/2010 7:38 pm

Some think we're trying to be off the hook, when actualy we're hook, line, and sinkered, by grace.



"Love is Patient..."


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/12/2010 3:39 am

thank you Lady and Looking for your responses. Some people who are caught up in performance and law do not understand being at peace and empowered by him.


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/13/2010 4:25 am

Hey ifyouonlyrealize... this is Just for YOU

THE ACHILLES' HEEL OF SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISM
From: Exposing Seventh-day Adventism
by Russell Earl Kelly

The Investigative Judgment Doctrine is the cultic doctrine of Seventh-day Adventism which they cannot explain. Yet it is the only reason for their existence. The Investigative Judgment (from their false explanation of Daniel 8:14) is built on the SDA presupposition that their interpretation of Daniel 8:10-12 is correct. One problem for them is that EGW did not discuss 8:10-13 and SDA theologians cannot connect their own explanation of 8:10-12 with the question of 8:13 and their answer in 8:14.

Do you want to confuse the SDA Babylon? It is easy and will send them running from you. First, ask them to explain 8:10-12. They will proudly tell you about the little horn's opposition to Christ in AD 31, the little horn's destruction of paganism several centuries later, the little horn's imposition of the confessional during the Middle Ages and the little horn's supremacy for 1260 years ending in 1798. Second, ask them to tell you which of the events in the vision mentioned in 8:10-12 actually ended in 1844 according to their date from 8:14.

8:13 How long shall be the vision? How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled? When will the vision end? None of their answers answer the question asked in 8:13 because all of their answers are wrong! The little horn did not stop persecuting Christ or His saints in 1844; the little horn did not stop destroying paganism in 1844; the little horn did not expose the errors of the confessional in 1844 (the Protestant Reformation claims this in the 16th century) and the events of 1798 did not occur in 1844. Worse yet, SDAs teach that their Investigative Judgment only BEGAN in 1844. Therefore, no part of the vision of 8:10-12 ended in 1844 and the question of 8:13 is still unanswered in SDA theology.