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Tropical_Man 68M
6573 posts
11/5/2008 7:59 am
Gods will? answer me this

Do you remember in the old testament where God greatly desired to dwell with Isreal? What was their responce? They said no, thats ok God. Would you just give us a King instead?! Well he ended up giving the King to them. It was obviously God's will to dwell with Isreal and his will was not done. The peoples' will however was allowed and that is what has happened to America. God's will has not happened here.


NJBeliever 48M

11/5/2008 9:42 am

how can you say God's Will was not done when they got Saul? He was suceeded by David. Yes, the people rejected God in their decision, but ultimately God's Will IS always done.

How would there have been a House of David if the shepherd boy was never made King? Think it through a little. I know you're upset that your boy Mr. Globalist, Embryonic Stem Cell user, mcCain lost but let's not try and twist scripture around it.


froots 52F

11/5/2008 10:56 am

i'm not american, i'm not english (well not technically) i am south african, but of mixed race which do not come from africa. am i happy about obama's presidency, course i am, i am in sincere agreement that change is necessary. when there are internal conflicts in society, inequalities and undercover prejudice it manifests itself in other (usually unhealthy) ways. such as intolerance, crime, etc i'm from south africa, ask me ALL about it. marginilized people who are alienated from the mainstream society, they will come back to haunt you... also, a very good thought to bear is that A CHAIN IS ONLY AS STRONG AS ITS WEAKEST LINK.
This, from a biblical perspective, ties in to God's infinite wisdom when he said Love others as you love yourself. not more, not less, but EQUALLY. in this enlightened age where we have so much ease of sharing information , wisdom and intelligence, WHY CANT WE GET IT???
I as a Christian do not agree with his pro abortion approach (although it has been said it is not his PERSONAL view, but rather, one to accommodate the needy and helpless, or women who had been and then had to bear the child...i'm not justifying abortion, my views are clear, i'm anti abortion...)
Well, well well...what exactly makes y'all so miserable about Obama's presidency. He has my vote of confidence, give the man a chance. Live and let live. After all, don't look for the speck in your brothers eye when u have a plank in yours. Remember that a rainbow, God's promise, is made up of many colours and Katie Melua sings "spider's web" which talks about the piano keys being BLACK and WHITE, but it sounds like a million colours to the mind...
May God bless and enrich your lives and hearts, Take care x


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
11/5/2008 11:20 am

Frooty...this man Obama has not accomplished anything in life. Yet he is a President? A Racist communist is what he is. I prefer he would choke on a bone and die.

I have studied the man. He has your confidense based on? I have asked repeadly for one thing he has ever done and no one has anything. I hate what Barrack Obama is. He is a liar regarding who he is. he promises the whole world to ignorant people who have no clue.

His party has anever done anything for this country except screw it up.

Change? Change what? 2 years ago before the dems had the majority this nation had a 4.5% unemployment rate which is exreaordinary. The stock market was at record levels at over 14000
we had a economic growth of over 3.3% quarterly which is strong and magnificent.

52 straight months of job gain which is a record for a 2 term President in America. We did not need change. We needed people to get on board with what was going on. We needed a line item veto for our President. But no, the democrats are obstructionists. They never talk about our contitution in a good way. I dont know which is better, deporting Obama or impeaching him.

Change? Change gas happened in Hawaii. They tried Obama's health plan and it was so bad they are abandoning itafter 6 month. He is an idiot that gives pretty speeches. But they are filled with lies and half truths. I hope a crazy gets crazy. Thats how I feel about him.

I am not a communist.This loon is. He is an evil man. John Kerry was delusional but he did not hang out with racists and terrorists as this man has.


Sweethoney2007 64F
6565 posts
11/5/2008 11:24 am

The whole world loves this man..... the global pole says all nations except of course Iraq wanted Obama in power. That is because most western countries are liberal and the world is sick of Republican corruption. However, what is not shown is that this guy will pave the way for America to join world policy and eventually the one world government....man wants to solve their own problems without God. Macaine would have led USA into deeper doodoo anyway. God is allowing this ...IT IS WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE. No amount of prayer will change what is written. Christan's need to stop idolizing govern met and start living in Gods kingdom exclusively!

Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."


ruggedntender 75M
502 posts
11/5/2008 11:31 am

The way it turned out was not my choice or the way I voted, but I thought Gods will was to give the people choice even if it saddens Him. I still feel God is in charge of who rises and falls and uses it much of what happens to bring to pass things to come.

I think if we are not careful we will see this divide the Body of Christ causing even more fights instead of unity or prayers together for this country and its leaders..

It seems to me it was a close vote, perhaps about 51 to 49 percent of the people.. We know the side who got in seem united, but I doubt we all are united and it could lower our voice or wishes if we are split and begin to fight. We know it is the end times and a time we need to look up and rejoice as well as be seen as a people full of love that love one another. This is the best year of our life.. next year will be a better one.. Sure we may have to feel a lot of that through faith and with a lot of praise, but it is true. We are blessed.. We are the head and not the tail. We are blessed coming in and going out.. What more can we ever want.. He said it and I accept it..


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
11/5/2008 11:40 am

republican corruption? Based on whjat Kim. Thats a stupid statement. Very stupid. The democrats have 17 people under indictment right now including the house speaker. They are responsible for continual voter fraud.Acorn. You dont find that on the other side.

The democrats pushed for the banks to make bad loans. Balaoney.

We just voted in the bigges moron in history. They liked hitler too and Obama and Hitler are both 10 point narcisists.

Obama is my enemy. He was on tuesday and he is today.

Gods kingdom is formed in capitalism and not socialism. The formers of socialism hate God. Something to think on.

Unity? Screw that.


ruggedntender 75M
502 posts
11/5/2008 2:29 pm

    Quoting Tropical_Man:
    republican corruption? Based on whjat Kim. Thats a stupid statement. Very stupid. The democrats have 17 people under indictment right now including the house speaker. They are responsible for continual voter fraud.Acorn. You dont find that on the other side.

    The democrats pushed for the banks to make bad loans. Balaoney.

    We just voted in the bigges moron in history. They liked hitler too and Obama and Hitler are both 10 point narcisists.

    Obama is my enemy. He was on tuesday and he is today.

    Gods kingdom is formed in capitalism and not socialism. The formers of socialism hate God. Something to think on.

    Unity? Screw that.
LOL, before your blood pressure gets so high we can not understand your squeaky voice we need you to tell us what you wish for us to do.. What, want us to repossess the White House as they sure are not making payments.. Shoot the fake money is getting wet and of no value and they have NO gold to pay us with.. Shall we repossess it?

What else would be good? Shall each of us try to take a Federal vehicle so we get something for the tax dollars we have paid? OH, some of those really BIG navy ships pass here at times since I live about 15 blocks off the coast and we could try to grab a chance to take a bunch of us on a joy ride with those.. but we need someone to drive I am sure..

OH and a few miles from here we have what was or still is one of the FBI top 10 hot spots for the militia and white supremacist.. If I shoot about half of them when they come out of the woods we might have a few that are calm enough to join with us and be some good.. YES SHOOT ABOUT HALF OF THEM.. I did not stutter. Most are so full of themselves they are of no value.

You want us to take all this by force? Is that the type Christan we are.. is that what the Body of Christ is to be about? If that is what we are going to become we better get a few of us to thin out the ranks of the radical Christan's so we can have a strong Army that is not so full of insubordination that they destroy us from within. We need to know who is the right ones to walk point.. Yes, I have spent many nights walking point and I will tell you a person has to know who is in the ranks.. It sounds like this Army you are talking of might well even shoot their point man..

Yes, we are in for some tough times.. Yes I agree that it seems many people believed the lie and have no clue what the people may have turned this country over to, but do we stop it by force? If we are needing to and the time comes to take the country back we need to have a lot better to offer than a bunch of radical self seeking glory hounds of divided militia that refuse to join forces or take orders..

I am more than willing to listen to you or anyone who can keep their blood pressure to a level they don't squeak like a ready to explode blow up doll, but if some of this spewing is what supposed Christan's happen to be I will NOT consider them any different than the ones they are wishing to fight..


ladylightwalker

11/5/2008 3:09 pm

I prayed not long ago that something would shake up the apathy in most church's in the U.S. This may be it, or the start. I'm sick of the spiritual obesity and apathy. The learning and more learning, and on and on with no doing.

Church is very different in china and other countries, where to worship may bring death, or imprisonment and torture. We are a nation of country club church's. I know there are good church's and faithfull christians. We will see them rise to the surface when the real persecution starts. And not for fighting, but for shining. For being killed for their faithfullness, as happens in the persecuted church around the world.

We don't know when this will happen here, but it's already happening all over the world. The 20th century saw more christians killed for their faith than in all the time before in church history! Blessings and keep the faith, Little Bird



"Love is Patient..."


froots 52F

11/5/2008 3:53 pm

Tropical storm in a tea cup, thats MISS Froots to you dear. Don't go getting frooty with me, take a chill pill instead and try eating less red meat (it is reputed to escalate aggression).
Does america need more aggression what with all the gun culture going on, there's a lot more pain and suffering in the world, than some poor old black dude who is trying to make it in an oppressive undercover white supremist regime. Now thats my real opinion sweetie, get over it.
I said earlier in another post, storing up anger and an unforgiving spirit only spoils the vessel in which it is stored. I may not know much about all of your ramblings mate, but you speak harshly, and generally what the heart is full of, the mouth brims over. God does not warm up to venom, he does however, to prayer.


chocnroses 69F
2405 posts
11/5/2008 7:04 pm

One thing to be thankful for, the NEXT election, pray ... The same thing happened in our country, everything at the best it had been for more than 20yrs! Now like you, we've got a young person at the head of our country, with the recession talk, our billions of dollars surplus is being squandered to try to prevent the recession happening here. Remember the wise virgins and the oil, also a wise man leaves an inheritance for his children, people need to be brought to their knees and sometimes it has to get tough for this to happen. But we, as christians, know He loves us and nothing by any means can harm us, amen .. GBU Dennis!


cathy51
(cathy b)
72F
220 posts
11/5/2008 9:01 pm

i must reply to dennis first comment.look what all bush has done for our country 60 billion dollars spend on war in iraq one that we should have never been in because it was iran that 9/11.i have my only son over in iraq his second tour duty thanks to bush.mcain is to old to have been our next president,palin spend 150 thousand dollars campain money that tax payers contributed sad i could have live off that for four years,look at all the hungry,homeless people that would have feed.thoses clothes will go in her closet not donated,apparently she didn't understand how our goverment was run.for this reason i would not vote for mcain,yes this country needs change.bush has almost destroyed it lining his pockets for his own greed.i will be paying for our new president and family also this nation.god was in contrl of this election he picked our president way before people so god's will will be done.


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
11/6/2008 4:59 am

Cathy 51....Ignorance is bliss. I have taken the time to find out truth. Try reading the Loftus report. Try reading Husseins transcripts and the words of his formal General. Then you might understand the significance of this war.

Change? Do you people have any clue what Obamas Change is? He is a dunbass first of all. I have looked at his change. He is a marxist. His plans are all bad for this country. Great Minds in this country have spoken about how bad.

Tell your son to get the hell out of the military if he doesnt want to be there. I appreciate his service, but the military is not a social club. It is a line of defense.

You have nade some of the stupidist remarks I have ever seen. Prove it. Thats so stupid its beyond words.

Froots your statements are just as stupid. You base them on what exactly? I can give you reasons for all of my statements. You give an opinion that has absolutely no sustenance.

Ruggedbartender....same ...you equate generalities.


Sweethoney2007 64F
6565 posts
11/6/2008 6:23 am

Psalms 75:5-7

Lift not up your horn on high: speak not with a stiff neck. For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the
west, nor from the south. But God is the judge: he putteth
down one, and setteth up another.

Daniel 2:20-21

Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for
ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: And he changeth
the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up
kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them
that know understanding.

Daniel 4:17

This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the
demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the
living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of
men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up
over it the basest of men.

Proverbs 21:1

The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers
of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will

1 Samuel 15:23-26

For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness
is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the
word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being
king. And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have
transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words:
because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice. Now
therefore, I pray thee, pardon my sin, and turn again with
me, that I may worship the LORD. And Samuel said unto Saul,
I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word
of the LORD, and the LORD hath rejected thee from being king
over Israel.


Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."


froots 52F

11/6/2008 8:18 am

Bush wasnt good enough, he got raked over the coals, Obama is practical if nothing else. Surely, each to his own. What exactly have YOU done to bring about world peace.
From where I'm standing you're sitting there spewing poison. Get your finger out and DO SOMETHING. then u come back and tell me all about it yea?


cathy51
(cathy b)
72F
220 posts
11/6/2008 4:50 pm

dennis the army is not social club my son is sgt over 20 men driving humbee through land mines.each person is intitled to there on opinion which is mine as yours.god has chosen our president longefore people voted we are in our last days bible is being fullfilled.so have nice life i will be praying for our nation and president