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Tropical_Man 68M
6573 posts
9/18/2008 7:49 am
Law and Grace: Mortal Enemies


Law and Grace: Mortal Enemies
By: Dan Stone

Law and grace are mortal enemies. Religion asserts, "No, they aren't mortal enemies. They can flow together, like the Missouri and Ohio rivers flow into the Mississippi, and they become the Mississippi." Every place I've ever been in organized religion, I've found that belief. But Paul was saying, "NO? They never flow together. They've always been mortal enemies. They will always be mortal enemies. You can never marry the two. And you have to make a choice, Galatians. Are you going to live under 1aw, or under grace?"

Paul wasn't saying that if they stepped back into the law, they wouldn't be saved anymore. But he was telling them, "If you go back to the law, you're giving up the way of grace. Now, let me tell you something about the way of the law, Galatians: you have to keep it all."

They couldn't just pick out the law they wanted to keep. That's what I used to do. I'd pick out those parts of Mosaic Law, Sermon on the Mount law, Baptist law, my personal law, and whatever other law I thought I could keep at least some of the time. I didn't see that law and grace are mortal enemies. I didn't see that you can't live under both.

It made sense to me to be religious. It made sense to be an external Christian, trying to keep an external set of rules. I couldn't do anything else, because I had always been an external person. So were you. We all grew up as external people, defining ourselves in relation to other persons, things, and events that told us who we were. That's why as new Christians we were so prone to asking external questions: "What should I do?"

There's no life in the law. The only thing the law tells you is what you ought to do, but can't do. It will never relinquish its demand that you ought to do it, because it's a divine ought-to; God gave it to Moses. We'll keep ourselves under that divine ought-to, and the condemnation and death ministers (2 Corinthians 3), until we learn to live from the Person who dwells within us. Because there's nothing in our flesh that wants to say, "I can't do it. I can't keep the law through my own effort." Everything in our flesh says, "I want to try to do it, and with God's help maybe I can do it."

Like my friend Burt Rosenburg says, everything in that program is designed for futility, frustration, and failure. But they don't tell you that up front, do they? When you sign up, no one makes this announcement:

WE'VE GOT A WONDERFUL PROGRAM HERE, THE END RESULT OF WHICH WILL BE FUTILITY, FRUSTRATION, AND FAILURE! WHEN YOU HAVE COMPLETED THE COURSE, WE WILL GIVE YOU A DIPLOMA, SAYING:

"CONGRATULATIONS, YOU HAVE FAILED!"

I remember talking to a group and proclaiming, "We have succeeded! In what? In failing!" And everyone smiled. For we finally recognized that we had succeeded in what we were supposed to do, which was to fail. "Everyone is telling us that we failed in what we were supposed to succeed in. But the truth is we have succeeded in what we were supposed to fail in. Now, we can get on with it. We can get on with what is true life."

We usually quote Galatians 2:20 apart from its context. It immediately follows Paul's admonition to Peter concerning the law. When Paul said, "I have been crucified with Christ," he was referring to his death to the law. Paul was saying, "The old me died on the cross with Christ, and when I died, I died to trying to keep the law. Trying to keep the law is living according to the flesh, with me and my efforts as my point of reference. I died to myself as my point of reference. Now, Christ in me is my point of reference. He is living His life through me."

As believers, we no longer live under the law, looking to it to tell us what to do and not do, then trying our best to do it. Instead, we live on the faith principle, the inner life principle, of who really is our life-Christ. We trust that He directs us, opens or closes doors for us, and speaks directly to us, giving us a message or whatever is needed for the occasion. We trust that He is living through us. We may not feel it at any given moment, but we live by faith that He is our life.

From: Stone, Dan, The Rest of the Gospel: When the partial Gospel has worn you out. Dallas: One Press. 2000. pgs 143-145.


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
9/18/2008 11:26 am

Claudia, You are in a heretical Cult. The SDA is not even Christian at all. This man has one of the best understandings of the Gospel that there is.

You follow a heretical Witch in Ellen White that says in her own Words Jesus is not God Almighty and you come here and say this? The law was done away with as far as a Christian is concerned.

Yessssssssssssssssssssssss!!!! This is what you never get. Keeping a law is walking in the flesh! We are given moral concept of right and wrong placed on our hearts when we recieve Christ.

Hebrews 7 tells of why the Law is of no use, Hebrews 8 declares it dead.

SDA gets whooped left and right by the scripures when contextually used properly. I am not the one in a cult that claims whaa whaa thats a lie, when it is taken directly from the herectics you choose to believe./

Dan Said this and how True:As believers, we no longer live under the law, looking to it to tell us what to do and not do, then trying our best to do it. Instead, we live on the faith principle, the inner life principle, of who really is our life-Christ. We trust that He directs us, opens or closes doors for us, and speaks directly to us, giving us a message or whatever is needed for the occasion. We trust that He is living through us. We may not feel it at any given moment, but we live by faith that He is our life

I am truly sorry you do not understand who Jesus really is and it is because of people who didnt know anythimh about 160 years ago. Christians talk about Jesus and life in him, such as Dan Stone do. You talk about SDA garbage, and it is deceitful garbage... until you are blue in the face.


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
9/18/2008 12:50 pm

Claudia it was called an iperfect Covenant in Jer 31:31-34

People could not keep it. That is why Jesus Christ gave his life. It has been totally replaced by a Covenant of Grace. The old covenant law is dead. You are not justified before God because of how good you are or can be.

We are justified in what Jesus did. Thats our righteousness.


athabina
(john cobban)
74M
123 posts
9/18/2008 3:54 pm

"By GRACE are you saved through faith, and that NOT OF YOUSELVES; IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD, NOT OF WORKS ,lest any man should boast".