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Tropical_Man 68M
6573 posts
8/15/2008 7:51 am
Is God a counter? Is he a good Dad?


How many of us count the bad things our do during the course of a day? If we did, then one sin would kick us out of the family if we looked at sin the way some people do. Some people come up with these elaborate man made teachings that if a person has sin in their life (a christian) then they are out of fellowship with God.

Thats like we as a parent not accepting our as ours and not talking to them as long as they have not confessed and repented to us.

God isn't like that either. If he were, we would be flying around like a yo yo.Salvation would be a yo-yo. God is not like that. Jesus Christ forgave the sin of the world, once and for all on the cross.

Its simple. Receive him and believe he did that and sin, as far as God is concerned is done with. You might say well, I have seen people walk away. Thats why we pray for them.

The Prodigal walked away too. His actions were about as blasphemous as you can have towards a father. The interesting part is that he never was not the because of his rebellion. Fellowship with his father was stopped because of him leaving, but it was never stopped on his (Fathers) side.

That Father was always looking, always had an eye open for when the would return. How do I know that? Because the word says that he saw him from afar and did what? He ran to him. He ran to his . That doesn't sound like someone that is kicked out of the family to me. It sounds like someone that is treasured. he also risked humiliation. In order to run he had to lift his robe. They didn't have underwear. To expose yourself back then meant being humiliated. For a man of stature like the Father in this case, it meant alot that he did what he did. He tossed all to the wind and ran out of Love.

What brought the back home? Remember he had squandered his inheritance on wild living. He was at an all time low. What brought him back was this. The word says that he thought his life would be better if he could even be a servant to his father because his fathers servants lived much better than he was.

So the answer is once again found in God's word. It is his goodness and kindness that brings us to repentance. He was drawn home to his father because of his fathers goodness and kindness to his servants. The bottom of the totem pole at the Family residence.

So what does he say to his dad? He says father forgive me, for I have sinned against heaven and you. So, his repentance was complete. But what did the Father say? Did he say, I forgive you , but never never do that again! NO, he never even says I forgive you. He was already forgiven the moment he left. Thats how God is with us. We are his . Its a relationship, not a group of rules in order to participate in the family. Just as it would be with your family.

But what did his father do? Bring a robe and a ring. Kill the fatted calf. He celebrated the return he had waited on, real fellowship with his . But what did the brother who had always performed as expected do? He was upset. Even said that the father had never thrown a party for him..here he was a basic lawkeeper. Thats what we would call him as Christian. A lawkeeper. Its sad, because he never knew the heart of his father, despite performing as expected.

The Father pleaded with the other to celebrate as well. We have all been that other brother.We have all wondered why God even puts up with the vile people. The word says the law was only given to the unrighteous to begin with.

I ask people why God hates divorce. In most cases they will say its because a law or a covenant broken. After reading the Prodigal , its clearly not about Laws or Covenants. Its about how things affect the people that God so dearly loves.

If we truly Love our Father, we will un with him to embrace that lost brother. We will get the robe gladly. We will place the ring on his finger and we will kill the fatted calf and rejoice. Rejoice if for no other reason that our Father's heart is complete again.

God Bless


Hidden_Treasure 66F

8/15/2008 9:53 am

1Tim1:
9: Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10: For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine

Okay lets think about this for a minute

The law of God is made for the lawless and disobedient and for SINNERS.

What law are they being lawless to?

What are they being disobedient to?

and what is a SINNER?

"for murderers"

Thou shalt not kill

for those who do "if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine"

is adultery sound doctrine?

is bowing to idols sound doctrine?

2Pt:2:14: Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children

and what is sin?

1Jn:3:4: Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Dennis,

Isnt it obvious? When it says the law was made for the lawless, that means it CONDEMNS the lawless, the disobedient.

Romans 13:
3: For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil

If you DO EVIL then be afraid! why? Obviously because then you are a transgressor of the Law... and it will CONDEMN YOU.

THE LAW out there in the world was made for TRANSGRESSORS as well.. but that doesnt mean we dont then have to keep it!

You have everything so twisted around.

Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.


Hidden_Treasure 66F

8/15/2008 10:19 am

Zechariah 5:
1: Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.
2: And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.
3: Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
4: I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

you see this is speaking of the Law of God, it condemns only they who are transgressing it. Thats why it says the law is for the lawless and disobedient.

Rom:8:1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

and why no condemnation if you are walking in the Spirit?

can anyone guess? the law of sin and death is... the cycle of ...you sin, you die because under the condemnation of the law... but the Spirit, if we walk in it, makes us free from that miserable cycle... because if we walk in the Spirit. then we are fulfilling the righteousness of the law, NOT BREAKING IT!

2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Dennis this is easy to understand.

Rom:8:6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Rom:8: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

and so that being the case do you think you are to KEEP the carnal mind that hates God's law? or get something DIFFERENT?

8: So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

AGAIN, this is easy to understand. The HOLY Spirit causes you to be HOLY... and holiness isnt breaking the Law.

13: For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.


Hidden_Treasure 66F

8/15/2008 10:20 am

Zechariah 5:
1: Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.
2: And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.
3: Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
4: I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

you see this is speaking of the Law of God, it condemns only they who are transgressing it. Thats why it says the law is for the lawless and disobedient.

Rom:8:1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

and why no condemnation if you are walking in the Spirit?

can anyone guess? the law of sin and death is... the cycle of ...you sin, you die because under the condemnation of the law... but the Spirit, if we walk in it, makes us free from that miserable cycle... because if we walk in the Spirit. then we are fulfilling the righteousness of the law, NOT BREAKING IT!

2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Dennis this is easy to understand.

Rom:8:6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Rom:8: 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

and so that being the case do you think you are to KEEP the carnal mind that hates God's law? or get something DIFFERENT?

8: So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

AGAIN, this is easy to understand. The HOLY Spirit causes you to be HOLY... and holiness isnt breaking the Law.

13: For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/15/2008 1:03 pm

Hebrews 8:13... the LAW IS DEAD to Christians


Louisiana 57F
1177 posts
8/15/2008 9:17 pm

Brother I wish a friend of mine was able to read this post. Could you please read my latest post and give me your honest opinion? Blessings to you, Louise

The body of Christ is like a patchwork quilt! All stitched together with God's love.


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/16/2008 12:15 am

I promise I will later today when I am awake...I just woke up

Loed Bless ya Lou


honest352000 53F
791 posts
8/16/2008 12:53 am

WOW!!!!
Reading my mail? Just went back to my home church
I was received with open arms, love, and prayer.
It is what it is....He Loves Me Too!!
great post Brother man.


All things work for the good of those who Love the Lord, Jenn friend


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/16/2008 4:11 am

Jenn:WOW!!!!
Reading my mail? Just went back to my home church
I was received with open arms, love, and prayer.
It is what it is....He Loves Me Too!!
great post Brother man.


Thanks for sharing Jenn, That is wonderful news


NJBeliever 48M

8/16/2008 6:33 pm

We cannot just discard the law. It is written on our hearts. We are too live by the law in our lives.

I agree with you about the prodigal son except about his repentance. it was necessary for him to return. Until then I don't think he could come back.

I only point this out because I know many people who say "Jesus ate and drank with sinners. He was just there to love everybody." And while those statements were true, Jesus did not condone the behavior of those people. He preached to them to lead them to repentance.


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/16/2008 6:51 pm

the law does not justify us or discount us

We are to be lead by the spirit