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Tropical_Man 68M
6573 posts
8/4/2008 4:46 am
Who is Jesus? I am kind of shocked


If you believe that Jesus was just God's messenger then, how come you don't believe what Jesus said? Jesus said "I and the father are one." (John 10:30)

The reason that I bring this up is there is a very dangerous viewpoint going on around here with a few people that maintain that Jesus was an Angel which is held by Gordy and that he is a Messenger or Angel, held by Windsage.

People, in each day we hear people talk about God, and that does not mean thet the "God" that everyone talks about is the God of Abraham.

Allah is not God, he is traced back to a pagan moon God, and all false gods are from whoom? Satan, thats whoom. There are two forces in this universe and one is the creator of the Universe; our Father God and the other is a fallen angel that wanted to be God.

How can one God be three persons?

The doctrine of the Trinity – that God the Father, God the , and God the Holy Spirit are each equally and eternally the one true God – is admittedly difficult to comprehend, and yet is the very foundation of Christian truth. Although skeptics may ridicule it as a mathematical impossibility, it is nevertheless a basic doctrine of Scripture as well as profoundly realistic in both universal experience and in the scientific understanding of the cosmos.

Both Old and New Testaments teach the Unity and the Trinity of the Godhead. The idea that there is only one God, who created all things, is repeatedly emphasized in such Scriptures as Isaiah 45:18:

“For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; …I am the Lord; and there is none else.”

A New Testament example is James 2:19:

“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well; the devils also believe, and tremble.”

The three persons of the Godhead are, at the same time, noted in such Scriptures as Isaiah 48:16:

“I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.”

The speaker in this verse is obviously God, and yet He says He has been sent both by The Lord God (that is, the Father) and by His Spirit (that is, the Holy Spirit).

The New Testament doctrine of the Trinity is evident in such a verse as John 15:26, where the Lord Jesus said:

“But when the Comforter is come whom I will send unto you from the Father, He shall testify of me.”

Then there is the baptismal formula:

“baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the , and of the Holy Ghost” (Matthew 28:19).

One name (God) – yet three names!

JESUS – That Jesus, as the only-begotten of God, actually claimed to be God, equal with the Father, is clear from numerous Scriptures. For example, He said:

“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:.

HOLY SPIRIT – Some cults falsely teach that the Holy Spirit is an impersonal divine influence of some kind, but the Bible teaches that He is a real person, just as are the Father and the . Jesus said:

“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will show you things to come” (John 16:13).

TRI-UNITY – The teaching of the Bible concerning the Trinity might be summarized thus. God is a Tri-unity, with each Person of the Godhead equally and fully and eternally God. Each is necessary, and each is distinct, and yet all are one. The three Persons appear in a logical, causal order. The Father is the unseen, omnipresent Source of all being, revealed in and by the , experienced in and by the Holy Spirit. The proceeds from the Father, and the Spirit from the . With reference to God's creation, the Father is the Thought behind it, the is the Word calling it forth, and the Spirit is the Deed making it a reality.

We “see” God and His great salvation in the of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, then “experience” their reality by faith, through the indwelling presence of His Holy Spirit.

Though these relationships seem paradoxical, and to some completely impossible, they are profoundly realistic, and their truth is ingrained deep in man's nature. Thus, men have always sensed first the truth that God must be “out there,” everywhere present and the First Cause of all things, but they have corrupted this intuitive knowledge of the Father into pantheism and ultimately into naturalism.

Similarly, men have always felt the need to “see” God in terms of their own experience and understanding, but this knowledge that God must reveal Himself has been distorted into polytheism and idolatry. Men have thus continually erected “models” of God, sometimes in the form of graven images, sometimes even in the form of philosophical systems purporting to represent ultimate reality.

Finally, men have always known that they should be able to have communion with their Creator and to experience His presence “within.” But this deep intuition of the Holy Spirit has been corrupted into various forms of false mysticism and fanaticism, and even into spiritism and demonism. Thus, the truth of God's tri-unity is ingrained in man's very nature, but he has often distorted it and substituted a false god in its place.

*Christian Answers

hejsan5 61M

8/4/2008 7:24 am

I thought the word Allah means God.


Tom45
(Tom )
68M

8/4/2008 8:26 am

    Quoting  :

Can you show me a scripture that says Jesus is a angel?

You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.


aneleh 67F

8/4/2008 8:33 am

Jesus in not a messenger. HE IS THE MESSAGE!

Hebrews 1:
3The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

5For to which of the angels did God ever say,
"You are my Son;
today I have become your Father"? Or again,
"I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son"?
6And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
"Let all God's angels worship him."
7In speaking of the angels he says,
"He makes his angels winds,
his servants flames of fire."
8 But about the Son he says,
"Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy."[f] 10He also says,
"In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end."
13To which of the angels did God ever say,
"Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet"?


Jesus is Made Like His Brothers for awhile...
5It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking. 6But there is a place where someone has testified:
"What is man that you are mindful of him,
the son of man that you care for him?
7You made him a little lower than the angels;
you crowned him with glory and honor
8 and put everything under his feet."


In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him. 9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.


Hidden_Treasure 66F

8/4/2008 11:41 am

Dennis,

you just dont understand BIBLE TERMINOLOGY... thats all.

Zechariah 12:
8: In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORDbefore them.

The word "angel" merely means "Messenger of God"... thats all.

Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.


Hidden_Treasure 66F

8/4/2008 11:45 am

FOR HEAVENS SAKE!!

its as if people were just DEAF AND BLIND!

I dont know how many times people have told you JESUS IS NOT A LITERAL ANGEL...

It is merely TERM used...

I really dont know about you guys, seriously!

Jesus is NOT a created Being, He is GOD, the CREATOR...

Dennis, are you being HONEST? I mean, it seems like you just try to PRETEND that you dont understand what people are saying!

..just to make them look bad. Its just not right.

Its awful.

I dont think anyone on this entire Big Church site actually believes or has even said or implied that Jesus is literally an ANGEL...

Get the cotton out of your ears!

geeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzz!!!

Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.


Hidden_Treasure 66F

8/4/2008 11:45 am

This is all just TOO STUPID! Im not going to even bother with this anymore.

Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.


Hidden_Treasure 66F

8/4/2008 12:22 pm

Maybe you will comprehend if I put it to you this way... it was JESUS who was the one that followed them... and He was GOD.

Most people dont realize JESUS was there all along IN THE OLD TESTAMENT... Its BEAUTIFUL and people are trying to turn it into something UGLY!! It doesnt mean Jesus was a LITERAL ANGEL, for heaven's sake! It means JESUS was with us all along... FROM THE BEGINNING

Zechariah 12:
8: In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

Ex:14:19: And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them

1Cor:10:4: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.


Hidden_Treasure 66F

8/4/2008 12:31 pm

I shouldve quoted this entire passage...

1 Corinthians 10:
1: Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2: And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3: And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/4/2008 3:45 pm

No Claudia, You do not understand. An Angel is not God. The scriptures clearly say who they are. Jesus is God. It is that simple. That is how cults are formed.

Mustard and Pearls. I already had you figured out.

hejsan5 google: prophet of doom it is one of the best books on Islam and fully explains.


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/4/2008 4:12 pm

“And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which showed me these things. Then said he [the angel] unto me, ‘See you do it not: for I am your fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.’”
• Revelation 22:8‒9


If Jesus were the angel, John would not have been denied worship of Him. John knew Jesus. He grew up in his neighborhood. He lived in very close contact with Jesus for at least 2½ years with the other disciples. Jesus appeared to Thomas and the other apostles after the resurrection. In John 20:28, when John was present, Thomas exclaimed when Jesus appeared, “My Lord and my God!” Thomas was not rebuked or corrected for that expression of joy. But in Revelation 22:8‒9, the angel was not Jesus. He was not worthy of worship and he corrected John.

Finally, Revelation 22:16 shows that there is a distinction between the Jesus Christ and the angel, that they are different personalities.

Strongest Evidence

The passage that completely denies Jesus was an angel of any kind is found in Hebrews chapter 1. This analysis is unique:

“Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time,
[1] ‘You are my Son, this day have I begotten thee’? [2] And again, ‘I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son’? [3] And again, when he brings in the firstbegotten into the world, he says, ‘And let all the angels of God worship him.’
And of the angels he says, ‘Who makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.’ But unto the Son he says, Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever [literally, the age of the age or the greatest age]: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.”
• Hebrews 1:3‒8


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/4/2008 10:05 pm

more:

Angels:

Servants Of God or New Age Messengers?

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising

themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even

Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore, it is not

surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants

of righteousness; whose end shall be according tho their deeds.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15

Time Magazine once noted, " If there is such a thing as a universal idea, common across cultures and throughout the centuries, the belief in angels comes close to it. " Leading philosopher Mortimer J. Adler, editor of the Encyclopedia Britanica stated; " Angels are more fascinating than any other science fiction, or the concept of UFO's ". Why? According to the Bible, angels helped shape the course of human existence. Directly or indirectly, angels have appeared in some shape or form in every culture and civilization. There have been hundreds of thousands of " angelic encounters" good and evil throughout history. They have also played key roles in every human world religion. From the angel Gabriel's announcement of the birth of the Messiah, called Christ, to the angel Gabriel who gave Muhammad the revelation of the Q'uran, and again to the angel Moroni, who revealed to Joseph Smith the location of the golden plates, which allegedly contained the ancient writings that would translate into the Book of Mormon.

Angels have resurged in modern society today so much so as to be labeled a craze. Polls indiciate the rising poqularity of angels. Almost three out of four americans believe in angels. That adds up to about 200 Million. Furthermore, worldwide this adds up to about three billion. Every year the American Conference on Angels holds it's meetings. There are angel seminars, newsletters, college courses and even angel sections in bookstores. There exists the Angel Watch Network, the Angels Collector's Club of America, the National Organization of Angel Lovers, all manner of angel novelty, gift and specialty stores, and many other associated angel enterprises.

Angels are believed to be anything from the mighty messengers and soldiers of God who are awesome, even fearsome, to the New Age version of chubby little baby cherubs, spiritual guides and companions, available to everyone for everything just like aspirin. ( Only the New Age Movement could it be possible to reinvent angels so mellow as to be ignored. ) Books continue to be published on angels and all manner of angel related topics. At one time, five out of every ten books on the religious best seller list were on angels. Some titles include;

Devotion to Holy Angels

100 Ways to Attract Angels

Know Your Angels

Ask Your Angels

Commune With The Angels

Creating With The Angels

Angel Voices

The Angels Within Us and hundreds more.

Why Are Angels So Popular?

Five reasons angels are so popular are;

1. A Dramatic Spiritual Awakening!

There is a renewed interest in spirituality, from Christianity and other world religions, to the New Age and the world of the Occult.

2. The Existence Of Angels Proves The Existence Of God.

The issue of the existence of a race of spiritual beings brings to mind some of the deepest personal questions man has asked throughout history. If angels do exist, then a spiritual dimension to this universe exists. This in turn carries us back to profound questions about God as creator and other related questions such as;

Who Am I?

What is the purpose of my Existence?

What will happen to me when I die?

3. People Inherently Want To Believe In Angels.

People cannot help themselves. They really want to allow for the existence of angels for many different reasons. One idea is the fact that an individual can experience the comfort of spiritual security, faith and guidance without obligations or responsibilities. No answering to a Personal God or Creator, or any specific writing or religion. It's gaining spiritual blessings without having to be spiritually accountable to anyone. Hollywood and the media capitalize on this in the theater, TV, literature, film, art and music, angels are in the minds of society, and even the skeptics can't seem to help themselves.

4. Angels Seem To Provide Answers To The Meaning Of Life.

Angels are thought to play a vital role in providing humanity with life's answers. There is a growing movement that teaches that angels reside within us and are waiting for us to use them to tap into our human potential, enhance our creativity, like the Greek Muses of mythology, provide psychological fulfillment and attain spiritual enlightenment. They target what humans seem to need most...Assurance, love, guidance and direction.

5. Angels Seem Eager to Interact With Us.

In 1 Peter 1:12, they seem to be curious creatures, In Psalm 91:11-12, they are assigned to protect us. In Hebrews 1:13-14, they are created to obey God and minister to us. They seem ready to give answers and intercede when God seems to be noticeably silent, or is not answering our prayers how and when we like.

6. It Is Assumed That Angels Can Only Be " Good ". .

If it is assumed that there is no such thing as the devil or evil angels, how can contacting them be a risk and anything but a wonderful spiritual experience?

FEAR NOT

The word " angel " appears some three hundred times, in twenty-four books of the Bible. This does not include synonyms such as sons of God, holy ones, morning stars, Cherabim, Seraphim, ministering spirits, watchers etc. In all, these terms are found in thirty-five books of the bible. The Hebrew word Mal'ak and the Greek word Aggelos both mean Messenger. These terms can be used interchangeably between both men and spirits. This means that the context in which the words are used determines if it is meant as a human or spirit messenger. The most common Biblical use is that of a divine spiritual messenger.

A Fellow Sevant

What is the Biblical view of Angels?

a. Angels Are Spirit Beings Created By God.

Prior to the creation of the universe, they were created as servants of God to perform the will of God here on the earth. In Job 38:4-7, they were already in existence at the creation of the world. In Revelation 5:11, 8:2, 9:15, 12 they are innumerable and of various different ranks, duties and abilities.

b. Angels Are Personal Spirits.

They have wills - Hebrews 1:6

They rejoice at a sinner's repentance - Luke 15:10

They express concern at being worshipped - Revelation 22:9

They communicate with each other - Revelation 14:18

They worship and praise God - Revelation 7:11

c. Anges cannot die and have incredible power.

In 2 Kings 19:34-35, angels destroyed 125,000 enemy soldiers in one night. They possess vast intelligence and wisdom. In their natural, spiritual state they can move at unimaginable speed and are not bound by time or space. Angels may also be aware of men's prayers and future events. Luke 1:13-16. In spite of this, angels are neither Omniscient or Omnipresent. Daniel 10:13, Mathew 24:36, 1 Peter 1:12, Revelation 12. NOTE: Satan as an angel is not God's equal opposite. As a fallen Cherub, he is not all-knowing, all-powerful and cannot be in more than one location at a time. It might appear this way since Satan seems to have the cooperation of the entire world in his evil purposes and schemes.

d. There are different classifications of angels.

Cherubim - never called angels, probably because they are not messengers. Their chief purpose is to proclaim and protect God's glory, sovereignty and holiness. Satan was apparently one of the Cherubim class, making his rebellion and fall all the more significant. Cherubim appear in Genesis 3:24, Exodus 25:17-22, Hebrews 9:5, Ezekiel 10:4, 18:22.

Seraphim - These angels are consumed with personal devotion to God. Isaiah 6:2-3.

Archangels - Best known are Michael and Gabriel.

Angels of lower ranks and special groups of angels. Revelation 1:1, 8:2, 15:1,7.

Furthermore...

Holy angels glorify God and our lord Jesus Christ - Isaiah 6:3, Luke 2:13-4

They communicate God's will and obey only Him - Daniel 9:21-23, Psalm 103:19-22

They execute Christ's commands - 1 Thessalonians 1-8

They are ministering spirits to believers and unbelievers, but especially believers - Hebrews 1:14, Acts 27:23

They guide, provide, protect, encourage and deliver God's people - Psalm 34, Matthew 1:18-21, 28:5-7.

A true angel from God would confirm, and never contradict the Bible in any way - Galatians 1:8-9



Angelic Misconceptions

Many false concepts about angels abound today, inside and outside of the Body of Christ. Myths such as...

Angels are human dead.

Nowhere do the Scriptures teach that we are " angels in training " and that we become angels looking after our loved ones when we die. Do you think we could do a better job of looking after our loved ones than God and His Holy Spirit?

Angels can do God's work through occult practices.

Do Christians honestly believe God uses angels to accomplish His will and answer their prayers through the use of Horoscopes, Astrology, Ouija boards, Tarot Cards, Crystals, Yoga, Accupuncture and many other occult tools and practices outlawed by His own Word? Believe it or not...they do!

Satan is not a fallen angel.

Of course not, to admit this would be to admit that evil angels are a possibility.

Jesus Christ is an angel.

Some non-Christian sects believe Jesus to be simply another angel created by God. ( Jehovah's Witnesses, even some protestant denominations. ) Satan would like nothing better because Jesus is no longer who the bible says He is. Jesus defined and accepted in any way that contradicts the Scriptures is a false christ and does not have the power to save anyone. John 8:24, Matthew 24:23-26.

Angels have to be good, simply because they are angels.

These false ideas indicate how important it is to know what the Bible teaches about holy and fallen angels. This also indicates how willing people are out of ignorance to get in line like sheep for a slaughter. People have no real test to ascertain whether an angel is good or evil. They simply deny the existence of the evil ones to serve their own interests. Any manifestation of a spirit claiming to be good must be taken at face value. How would you be able to tell the difference?

FALLEN

The Bible records that evil angels were once created as holy, and endowed with a free will. They are morally corrupt spirits that rebelled against God. Evil angels or demons, are not the spirits of dead human beings. The spirits of human beings are not allowed to roam the earth after death. Luke 16:19-1, 2 Peter 2:9, Hebrews 9:27.

Their rebellion was led by Satan, which resulted in their fall and expulsion from the presence of God. As a result, they became destructive, self-centered creatures who seek to thwart the purposes of God and Jesus Christ. Demons are forever set in their ways and beyond redemption. They have a seething hate for humanity and everything God has created. Their own destruction is guaranteed and they would like nothing better than to take as many humans with them as possible. God created hell for the devil and his angels, and those that die in rebellion and disobedience to God by their own free will choice will share the same fate. Matthew 25:31-41, Revelation 20:3,7,10.

Attributes

For a comprehensive listing of powers and abilities of angels, good or evil, please click here...Angelic Powers. I will mention a few.

1. A demon's strategy is Deception! John 8:44

They seek to blind people to spiritual truth. This can easily be achieved by seemingly granting requests and prayers. Once your requests is answered, you will be open and willing to believe in the grantor. They deceive through false revelations, visions, dreams, religions, manifestations, miracles, signs and wonders. God warns us against this...Deuteronomy 13:1-3. 2 Corinthians 4:4, 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10

2. They are not the product of insanity or mental disorders.

They are not just superstitious ramblings of an ignorant and backward people trying to explain mental illnesses or Epilepsy. The writers of Scripture clearly distinguish between mental disorders and demonic possession. Matthew 4:24, Mark 1:32-34

Lest You Dash Your Foot...

Do we have Guardian Angel? Yes. According to the Scriptures, we each have a host of them. BUT...the Bible does not teach that we have a special angel assigned to each one of us. God the Father sends angels to watch over us and especially children, who's angels have priority in the presence of God. Matthew 18:10. There are strict limitations as to how we are to interact with angels and they with humans. For starters;

We do not attempt to contact angels.

Nowhere in the Bible is contacting angels taught or encouraged. Angels obey and respond to God alone. They are under no obligation to communicate with us at our own desire. Only by God's will do angels come to us, and we are to submit ALL our petitions to God alone, through Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit. Psalm 103:19-22

Angels from God never accept worship or devotion.

A principle in Scripture that cannot be ignored is that angels sent by God are always overly concerned with eving any manner of worship or devotion. Revelation 19:10, 22:8-9. But in the Scriptures we see that when Satan tempted out Lord in wilderness, it was the foremost issue on his mind. Matthew 4. His followers will always follow suit.

Methods Of Contact

There are many books in existence from modern to ancient times that deal with contact and devotion to angels. In parts of the Catholic Church, there are child prayers that seek to initiate conversations witth their guardian angels. In the New Age, they use any and all methods typically found world of the occult. Altered States of Consciousness, Meditation, Visualization, Developing Psychic Abilities, Divination, Drug Usage, Magic Rituals and so on.

Some New Age authors have have justified their contacting and channeling of angels by citing the Catholic Church's practice of praying to departed human saints and to angels. Because they are relatively easy to contact, ( and eager to be contacted. ) for those individuals determined to do so, evil angels can and have influenced people's lives today.

Can a True Christian be demon-possessed?

Although the controversy rages, I firmly believe that although a demon can harrass, oppress or even zap you, it cannot ever possess a true believer. God's Holy Spirit would never share His temple with demons. 1 Corinthians 6:19, Colossians 1:13, 1 John 4:4. I would like someone to point out just one instance where a confessed Christian was ever delivered from demonic possession by one of the apostles or followers of Jesus. I will deal more with subject in another lesson.

Messengers Of A New Age

What are the major differences between Godly angels of the Scriptures and the popular angels of the New Age?

1. Popular angels deny and distort the teachings of the Bible.

New Age angles teach basic paganistic beliefs including Hinduism, occult practices, Pantheism, Universalism, and that the Christ Consciousness resides in all human beings...regardless of what they believe. Galatians 1:6-9

Of course, most people assume that since these beings claim to be angels it is only natural for them to quote the Scriptures. Isn't that what we expect? John Randolph Price comments...

" Could an angel possibly be associated with Satan? "

He obviously does not think it's possible. But didn't Satan quote the

scriptures to Jesus when he tried to tempt Him in the wilderness?

Matthew 4

The following are several so-called revelations received from angels by different individuals, and the biblical quotes that relate to them. We see that there is no possible way these can be angels sent by God.

" You may think there is only one truth; yet we your angels suggest that all

of you have your own truth, your own interpretation of divine law..."

no one way is right or wrong.

John 14:6, 1 John 2:21, Romans 3:23

" It is wrong to feel that only one way is the authentic path to God. "

John 10:1-12, Acts 4:12, 1 Timothy 2:-6

" Love, is the capacity to allow all other living things to grow

into their fullest expression of self. "

John 3:16, 1 Corinthians 13:3-8

" In truth, I am the spirit of God;

For God is all, and all is God. "

Ezekiel 28:2-4

Consider the following meditation provided by angels channelled through John Randolph Price in his book, The Angels Within Us; A Spiritual guide To The 22 Angels That Govern Our Lives:

" All that God is, I AM. I Am divine purity, I Am perfect love,

I AM the peace that goes beyond understanding;

I Am omnipotent, I Am perfect judgment, I Am the only supply,

I Am that I AM. Read Exodus 3:13-14.

Modern cults and religions that began with angelic contact:

The Church Of Christ and Latter Day Saints( Mormonism ), Jehovah's Witnesses, Unity School Of Christianity, A Course In Miracles, Self-Realization Fellowship, Islam and many others to name a few.

Angels In The Church

The New Age Movement claims angelic revelations help us to create self-esteem, health, wealth and prosperity. Teachings such as:

" We should meditate for an understanding of what produced the condition

of lack in our minds, speak that word for healing, and work with the

angel of abundance to reveal a divinely prosperous life. "

Or as another popular angel reveals;

" I have promised you unlimited prosperity, I am the Lord

your healer, I heal all your diseases. "

Other angels advise you that:

" I harness the power that enables me to realize all my desires and objectives."

" I create my own miracles. "

" Make contact with the angel and ask how you are limiting your own success."

" Let him ( angel ) show ou any false beliefs that block

the flow of health and wealth. "

Amazingly enough, the modern Christian prosperity movement has aligned itself with those same new age teachings mentioned above. Like the New Age Movement, they claim to receive their teachings by direct revelation of God, through the mediation of angels. Kenneth and Gloria Copeland tell believers...

" When you use the Word in the Name of Jesus, angels are

obligated to follow your commands. There is no shortage of

angel power. How long do you think it will take them to make you wealthy? "

Popular TV evangelist Jerry Savellesays that when you apply the principles of the faith movement...

" The angels come on the scene to see that what you say comes to pass. "

Robert Tilton & Benny Hinn...

" When you talk positively about your dream, you not only release it's substance,

but you release the angels to work for you, causing your dream to come to pass. "

No wonder New Agers look at us, shake their heads and wonder what we are so upset about. We live in an age when we all need a more critical attitude towards spiritual phenomena. This includes practicing greater discernment towards many practices and beliefs that claim to be Christian. No one denies the ministry of God's holy angels; but for the individual who cannot tell the difference between godly and evil angels, they place their souls at risk. God bless you Saints.


Hidden_Treasure 66F

8/6/2008 3:22 am

Dennis,

I hate to say this but are you REALLY this stupid?

I never SAID an Angel is God.

Why do you keep on doing this?

I really question your integrity anymore.

Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
8/6/2008 7:15 am

Claudia. I NEVER said YOU. This is about the fact Jesus is not a messenger.