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Tropical_Man 68M
6573 posts
7/5/2008 3:20 am
Jean Maxwell, Kristy, Terri and Fla Gal... Look what I have found.

FlG I know you arent sucked into this, but the Lord showed me a lot as he woke me up in the early saturday mprning.

Todd Bentley speaks of people that visit him. One of them is tied into others in the KCity Prophets. Bob Jones also speaks of having meetings with the deceased Sadhu Sundar Singh who is described as a Mystic. It even goes deeper as the man has been dead a long time.

Kundalini in the Hindu religion is a emotional state that people work themselves into where healings actually take place. Todd makes mention of this man appearing to him a lot and giving him advice and teachings. I will post about Sadhu Sundar Singh below.



Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
7/5/2008 3:22 am

google him as: Sundar Singh and click on: The Story of Sadhu Sundar Singh it is a homestead server site


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
7/5/2008 3:25 am

His Family & Religious Background

One hundred and twelve years ago on September 1889, Sundar Singh was born to Sher Singh of Rampur, Punjab in northern India. His mother, a deeply religious woman, nurtured him in the noble traditions of the Sikhs. Sundar often spoke of his mother with much love and respect because of the good foundation she laid for his life to come. Little did anyone know what God was about to do with this keenly intelligent and disciplined young man.
He was raised in the luxury of his family's wealth. As a Sikh, Sundar was taught about Hinduism and came along with his parents to Hindu and Sikh temples. By the age of seven he had already memorized Bhagavadgita, the intricate Hindu dialogue containing spiritual life lessons. At sixteen, not only had he mastered the Vedas, the ancient sacred books of Hinduism, but he had also read Qur'an, the sacred book of Islam. He then got acquainted with some sadhus who taught him Yoga. A sadhu is a Hindu who devotes his entire life to his religion and forsakes all the worldly pleasures. Sundar remained single and jobless. He travelled all over India wearing a yellow robe without any food and without having any permanent residence. He lived only on the charity of others.

The life of Sadhu Sundar Singh was most remarkable in its Christ-likeness. Being born amidst the depths of Indian culture and religion, and into a Sikh family, during the early part of his life Sundar's mother would take him week by week to sit at the feet of a sadhu, an ascetic holy man, who lived some distance away in the rainforest. It was his mother who first encouraged him to become a sadhu. She once told him, "Do not be selfish and materialistic like your brothers, but seek for your peace of mind and hold steadily onto your faith. Be a sadhu." However, he never achieved peacefulness in his meditations. Owing to his mother's connections with some women from a British mission in Rajpur, Sundar was able to enter the school run by the missionaries. It was there that Sundar was first exposed to the Bible. He wasn't interested in the Bible at that time. Instead, he ardently buried himself in Hinduism and yogic practices.


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
7/5/2008 3:34 am

This will come up on the same google page under: Todd Bentley and Sadhu Sundar Singh « End Times Prophetic ...

Todd Bentley and Sadhu Sundar Singh

Todd Bentley says he had a vision of Sadhu Sundar Singh, an Indian Mystic from around one hundred years ago. Bob Jones also interestingly enough says he had a vision involving ‘Sundar’ too. elijahlist. Fascinating how Todd Bentley often echoes his mentor, Bob Jones’ words, word for word.

Anyway, although Todd Bentley’s vision has now been removed from the Fresh Fire website, to be replaced with a much shorter, some say more ’sanitised’ version, the original word is still here on the Elijah List -.elijahlist. Here is just an excerpt of the vision, where Todd Bentley goes into great detail about what a great Saint Sadhu Sundar Singh is.

“… during this time of prayer that I was taken in a vision to what I believed to be the Himalayan Mountains. I saw an Indian man with a turban on his head. I heard the whisper of the Spirit say this is Sundar Singh. I am releasing anointing of revelation like this. I had no communication with this old saint nor did he say anything to me. The experience lasted only a moment….”

“Sundar Singh was a true example of a seer prophet, powerful evangelist, life in the spirit and holy devotion to Christ his master.”

Note that not only is Todd Bentley claiming to have somehow been translated in the Spirit to another place in the world during this vision, but he also claims somehow to have either gone back in time OR to heaven as Sadhu Sundar Singh is long dead. Most prophets in the Bible did not go over places in their visions - they saw other places but there was no need for them to be translated anywhere while seeing or hearing things. There are a couple of exceptions eg: with John ‘going up here through an open door in heaven’, but the normal visionary experience did not involve travelling back or forward anywhere - let alone in space or time. The prophet heard God where he was.

Note also that Sundar Singh was not a true follower of God, let alone a true prophet of God. Although he claimed to be a follower of Jesus, it was another Jesus he followed. Therefore if Todd really did have a vision of Singh and his god told him that Singh was greatly anointed and a true seer etc, then Bentley’s god is not the Bible’s God and false spirits are leading Todd Bentley.

IF Bentley’s god said he was releasing great revelation anointing of Sadhu’s type through Todd and his ministry, then Christians should be put on note not to recieve such an anointing from Todd, as this seer anointing is evidently not of God but the antichrist.

I am more inclined to believe though that rather than a demonic experience Todd is lying, and had no such vision, and is just making it up - in which case, he is a fraud and trickster and no prophet of God either, and would you really want what he and Bob Jones imparts? A false prophet anointing? There is no other conclusion to be reached whatever account you believe,

Sundar Singh was a mystic who believed in universalism (that is everybody will go to heaven regardless of whether they accept Christ or not - this is an antichrist doctrine of course that leads to hell) and experienced visions in frequent states of ecstasy. It has been said that “In him Christianity and Hinduism seem to meet”.

Singh would frequently converse with the deceased for wisdom and guidance. His communication with the ‘other side’ did not just stop at deceased ‘Christians’ but he conversed with dead unbelievers as well.

He believed that the dead could receive Christ after death.
He believed in a kind of purgatory. Asked about the doctrine of eternal punishment by some theology students in Calcutta, he said that “There was punishment, but it was not eternal,” and that “Everyone after this life would be given a fair chance of making good, and attaining to the measure of fullness the soul was capable of. This might sometimes take ages.”

He was a universalist - “However bad and evil-living a man may be, there is in man’s nature a divine spark … this spark of the divine is never extinguished … If this divine spark or element cannot be destroyed, then we can never be hopeless for any sinner… The Creator Himself will not destroy it (man’s soul)… even though many wander and go astray in the end, they will return to Him in Whose image they have been created; for this is their final destination.”

He was a follower of Emmanuel Swedenborg (who taught very dodgy occultic stuff) and Singh claimed to frquently converse with Swedenborg in heaven: “I saw him several times [in a spiritual realm] some years ago, but I did not know his earthly name. His name in the spiritual world is quite different just according to his high position or office and most beautiful character. He is exceedingly happy and always busy in helping others.” and “Swedenborg was a great man, philosopher, scientist and, above all seer of clear visions. I often speak with him in my visions. He occupies a high place in the spiritual world … Having read his books and having come into contact with him in the spiritual world, I can thoroughly recommend him as a great seer.”

Sundar believed that all angels and demons were once men, yet contradicts himself elsewhere by making a distinction between angels and humans that they are not the same.
Sundar believed that those who have gone to heaven (the redeemed) can act as angels on earth.


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
7/5/2008 3:43 am

THE GLORY CLOUD OF REVELATION & PROPHETIC MANTLES - PART 2: CONCLUSION BY TODD BENTLEY, FRESH FIRE MINISTRIES 1

This is what he saw:
"...in a vision, the Glory Cloud of Revelation descending upon the church. It was also during this time of prayer that God took me in a vision to what I believed to be the Himalayan Mountains. I saw an Indian man with a turban on his head and heard the whisper of the Spirit say, "This is Sundar Singh. I am releasing anointing of revelation like this." I had no communication with this old saint, nor did he say anything to me. The experience lasted only a moment...."

And this is the revelation he learned from the man with a turban


Tropical_Man 68M
6389 posts
7/5/2008 3:44 am

Sundar Singh's Universalist Beliefs:

However bad and evil-living a man may be, there is in man's nature a divine spark ... this spark of the divine is never extinguished ... If this divine spark or element cannot be destroyed, then we can never be hopeless for any sinner... The Creator Himself will not destroy it (man's soul)... even though many wander and go astray in the end, they will return to Him in Whose image they have been created; for this is their final destination. (from his book, Meditations on Various Aspects of the Spiritual Life in the chapter "Finally All Men Will Return to God)