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5/8/2008 3:30 pm |
I LOVE watching you try to manipulate the facts Dennis! =) Remember the time you accused Catholics of murdering Protestants and I pointed out that Protestants murdered Catholics too? But you totally ignored that little fact of history!? This is JUST like one of those times man! LOL Only this time you've found a very loooong winded way at doing it! You just keep using that Catholic New Testament Canon Dennis! I promise I won't tell anyone the Catholic Church put that together if you won't!!! It'll be our lil secret... 
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he has no answer. He also fails to acknowledge many things.
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5/8/2008 6:44 pm |
look Dennis im well aware of gross perversion in the pre protestant era i know all about it...but JESUS IS NOT A PROTESTANT OR A CATHOLIC we are called to come out of he my poeple lest you share in her plagues (you know the one) we should not underestimate how corrupt things can be at the core of ANY WORLD RELIGION that has enormous wealth and power i could tell you a million stories and errors and abuses in catholic histroy as well but there are catholic ladies that are fervent intercessors for their families and feed the poor and they will recieve FAR GREATER REWARD than most of us by a long way THEREFORE BABYLON IS A PRINCIPALITY NOT A DENOMINATION read that again...and yes i agree i see FAR more of babylon the great whore in the historical tendencies of Rome than i do anywhere else i WILL discuss these with much discretion to people in my churches that are free from ROME and its heresy and its corrption HOWEVER JESUS IS NOT A PROTESTANT>>>if he came he WOULD rail agaisnt the catholic system TOTALLY yet he would PRESERVE AND LOVE ther catholics FOR THE ELEMENTS OF VERY TRUE FAITH THAT ARE OFTEN DISPLAYED ..in the general masses i mean remenber we are saved by grace,,and if any catholic is genuine and perservering in their faith they are just as much being saved as i am so i fear you can be a little too divisive when can havev PERFECT doctrine yet still not be as DEEPLY in JESUS as we should be escaping from babylon is being in jesus ITS like this...i wouldnt come onto this site saying that if you beleive in the american govt you are decieved because info wars .com will PROVE TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO LISTEN THAT BUSH AND HIS ADMIN DID TOTALLY PLAN CReATE and administer sept 11 hands down proof...but i dDONT GO AND TRY TO CONVERT PEOPLE ON THAT ON >>>COZ GEORGE BUSH GOT THE CHRISTAIN VOTE i could freak people out with these HIDDEN ILLUMINATI facts and i have mass distributed the video at my church becoz my church is an appropriate environmnet BUT I DONT GO WITNESSING ON THIS TANGENT BECAUSE WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT GEORGGE BUSH AND HIS CORRUPTION WONT SAVE ANYBODY>>>ONLY ABIDING DAILY IN JESUS WILLL>>AND HE IS COMING SOON<<AS IS maSS DESTRUCTION,,,forget about burma...every day..is a burma SPIRITUALLY IN THE WEST NOW heres the point: IF I FEEL THAT TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT THE CORRUPTIONS OF CATHEOLICISM WILL HELP THEIR FAITH IN TERMS OF GROWING IN JESUS SO BE IT ..i will by all means be vocal in this regard If i feel that arguing with a catholic who loves jesus about catholic v protestant is futile and counterproductive..i refrain (by the way dennis i love your posts im just wrestling with you coz you love this stuff....i havev deep enormous respect frro your posts by the way...i just make sure i keep you in check...the uninvited ref in a wrestling match if you like i want the MOTIVES of peoples wrestels to be pure i have not posted a question on sept 11..because i have discretion yes i be;leive people NEED to be informed about sept 11 but im well aware the GRREATER agenda is people knowing about jesus therrefore you could isolate someone from the faith if you destroyed their faith in their govt IF i feel the sept 11 truth will lead someone CLOSER to jesus i proceed...if i feel it is a truth that would bring them AWAY from things i refrain ...we are called to honor the govt/king etc so subversion could lead to reevolt but would the socilaist anarchist revolt to overthrow bush leave us in any BETTE PLACE (just an aside) I leave the Governemnt to the hand OF GOD..likewise the catholic church (by the same token the catholic thing,,,so im just making sure your bringing correction for LOVES SAKE and NOT for the sake of mere contention) LET THE TARES GROW UP WITH THE WHEAT,,,every large power base in history has been grossly corrupt whether thta be catholics fighting protestants fighting muslims... or many regimes BUT ARE WE ABIDING IN JESUS thats what matters if mr catholic rejects me for NOT being catholic HE DOES VERY MUCH HAVE A PROBLEM but my role is not to reject HIM....i accept HIm i go to a church that is WELL AWARE of the corruptions of catholicsim but im more concerned with LOVING MY CATHOLIC (genuine) brothers ...and i deeply respect mr catholic for his convictions have you read the hebrews thing on meat v vegies Ps did you know that despite MARTIN LUTHERS GREAT USE BY GOD,,,he was im told an anti-semite..and politiacllay very ambitious..and had other significant issues should we reject everyhting or exhort wherre there is deception and let the tares grow up with the wheat and attend to the planks and tares in our own lives diligently HEY DENNIS I RESPECT YOU VERY VERY MUCH ..just keeping a fellow watchman honest ok JESUS is greater than any knowledge,,therefore OUR MOTIVES are the key...far be t from ME to judge... but was it a MOTIVE of contention or LOVE...i wouldnt know
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5/11/2008 9:00 pm |
"The delusion.... and the lie...." God never once invented a church- nor did Jesus. What exactly IS a religion? Look around you NOW- and ask for truth- Is God a Christian? Is God Jew? Hindu? Buddhist? ANY OTHER RELIGION? Or is our God laughing at all of us? He sent Jesus to show us something- tried to get us to listen to HIM. He had Jesus tell us something crucial to our future (back then )- that we have fully and irreparably ignored and for what reason? We think we know better than God- even still. Religion simply gives us further reason to remain in sin... Has us believe in "the delusion- and the lie". Paul tried to warn us too... "don't do as I say- DO AS I DO". COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF HOW THE CHURCH IS TEACHING TODAY... If we only knew what the Gospel actually WAS- we would spurn sin and men's teachings. Jesus tried to warn us what was coming- and sure enough- He was correct. Paul and all the others also tried to fix what was going so horribly "wrong". Just made it worse is all... "catholic"- ha. Just another part of the delusion- and the lie. Best we can do is fine tune it and "reform" it so as to better fit our explanation as to why we still fail God even when we don't have to. gordy 2 Timothy 2:4 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. If you claim you love your brother but don't correct them, how much do you really love them?
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5/11/2008 9:20 pm |
solid point Nj beleiver my church renounces the generational foundations of all the things you mentioned as long as were not excluding genuine ones from the faith ..now that would grieve the Spirit thanks FRED i appreciate your thoughts..keep on correcting me if you feel thus led as you have in other posts...unlike otheres i never set out thinking im right love to learn
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ROMAN CATHOLICISM TEACHES Omnipotence of Mary: "I come to thee in my distress, O Blessed Mother, for thou art all powerful in heaven and on earth..." Our Lady's Book, Rev. Jas. J. Cashman, CM, ed., (Vincentian Foreign Mission Soc., St. Louis, 1942), p. 31 Imprimi Potest, Marshall F. Winne, CM; Nihil Obstat, Wm. M. Drumm; Imprimatur, Jas. P. Murray, May 20, 1949 "...thou, O Mary, art all-powerful..." Ibid, p. 14 "We need never fear to cast our cares upon Mary, all powerful Mother of God." Ibid, p. 7 "... by the ordinance of God, her power is without limit. All that He could give to Mary, He has given..." The Official Handbook of the Legion of Mary, by Concilium Legionis Mariae (1959), p 11 Nihil Obstat: Michael L. Dempsey, S.T.D., Imprimi Potest: Joannes Carolus, Archbishop of Dublin, March 25, 1953 [Note: A letter, posted in the foreword, from Pius XI to the Legion of Mary 16th Sept., 1933, states his approval thus: "We give a very special blessing to this beautiful and holy work...."] "Virgin most powerful..." Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary, "The Reign of Jesus Through Mary," p. 248 Imprimi Potest: A Josselin, SMM; Nihil Obstat, John MA Fearns, STD; Imprimatur, Francis Cardinal Spellman, Archishop of NY, 6/24/49 Note: This litany was approved by Rome for 7 years indulgences, 1817; 1933. The Scriptures say God alone is omnipotent (all-powerful): God the Father is omnipotent: Genesis 18:14 Isaiah 43:13 Jeremiah 32:17, 27 Matthew 19:26 Jesus is omnipotent: Daniel 7:13, 14 Matthew 28:18 1 Peter 3:22 John 3:31, 35; 17:2 The Holy Spirit is omnipotent: Psalms 104:30
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1 post 5/15/2008 5:59 pm |
Hello, Just a thought. It is always a good idea to remember we are all christian first and human beings. Treating each other with respect is alwaqys a good idea. Dogmatic approaches only alienate and there are ways to get our point across without being crass. I for one am new here and do not much care for truth without charity. Robin
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5/16/2008 8:05 am |
ring theres the bell
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5/18/2008 11:18 pm |
Tropical Man's posting classic quotes on Mariology is standard ultra-conservative fundementalist fare on Catholicism. Citing the Boston Cathecism is also. A question for you T.M. ... What is the difference between being Catholic and Catholicism? I not following your initial post to this thread, the answer to my question I think is a legitimate starting point. T.M. please remember all four genres of fundementalism are represented on BigChurch. I would prefer discussing what a current edition of Cathecism of the Catholic Church used in RCIA (ie. Roman Catholic Initiation for Adults) classes. Are equivalent things said about Mary in this book? If so, please share specific citations.
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Well, Tropic, you really stirred up a hornets nest with this one mate. It is sad to see such division in The Word but Jesus did not come to unite. He came to cause such a division. Mostly from these answers it seems that most catholics do not even know their own doctrine so there is little chance of them knowing the Bible itself. Before you all get carried away with righteous indignation. I am baptized and was raised a catholic. I also have no respect for the pope as I do not wish to worship a man or live by the words of a man. There is only One True Living God and His name is a powerful tower into which the righteous run for protection. Cheers, Katididaustralia.
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5/19/2008 7:13 pm |
Perhaps a lack of understanding of this type of argument is exactly what the problem actually IS. The Bible is NOT "our authority- but a portion of the "roadmap" BACK TO our authority. The book itself is simply information we need so as to be able to do as Jesus said- know the Father- AND the Son- so as to also become as He said- FREE. If one never uses the roadmap- OR has it upside down and backwards- what good is it to study it, hold it as "authority" or even have it in the first place? Let's examine the past nearly 2000 years. Has anything actually changed concerning our level of SIN? The answer is yes- it has indeed changed. It's gotten MUCH WORSE instead of better. WHY? Has some to do with catholicism- but more to do with what protestants also erroniously teach. Has NOTHING to do with what Christ Himself taught. Do I need to belabour the point of rampant sin in EVERY MAN'S HEART even though Jesus came to take away the sin of the world? If that is what He did- why do we cling to SIN- instead of Him and HIS GOSPEL? Doesn't matter what you want to think- the Catholics got it partly correct. If they KNOW the true Gospel- they hid it so as to enslave the world. I seriously doubt they did that though- since as I said- they got it partly correct. Protestants? Threw away the baby with the bath water. Which is better then? Neither one- Catholic OR protestant has the slightest clue why Paul wrote the things he did- nor does either group follow Jesus as Jesus taught. If God wanted it otherwise- it would be pure and holy. It isn't- so what does that tell you about what God wants? I point to Paul once again- his warning- "the delusion- and the lie it creates" as imposed by God Himself. Your post says you don't understand "this type of argument"... That's because you have no clue who The Father is- nor His Son. If you knew either one- the argument would not exist for you. Have you ever desired perfect clarity in what Jesus came to tell you? Then why do you rely on RELIGION at all? Men created that. Not The Father or The Son. Consider it carefully... whom do you serve? The Father... or your own self- through faith in RELIGION? It makes a huge difference... and it will change "depart for I never knew you" to "welcome thou good and faithful servant". Jesus tried to warn us. We simply refuse to listen. Can it be changed? Yes. It still can be changed. If we really want to. You have been corrected... will you change? Or will you continue pounding on hell's gate? simple choice. Hard path to follow. What's it worth to truly FOLLOW CHRIST PERFECTLY for a change? gordy I don't care to discuss Oppression by the Catholic Church or the Inquisition or any of that. What is the relevance? Sin in the heart of man is established. I am talking about one's theology and faith. And if you are reading the Bible it is abundantly clear that mixing religions and faiths is not a go. Just simply look at the Golden Calf the Israelites had Aaron make. The Calf was for a feast for THE LORD. Exodus 32:5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD. The intention was to honor the Lord but they did so using an Egyptian idol. And what was God's reaction?? He ordered thousands to be executed. The rest has to drink the ground up statue with water. And what did Moses say to Aaron, who was trying to "do the right thing"? 32:21 And Moses said unto Aaron, What did this people unto thee, that thou hast brought so great a sin upon them? He rebuked him! So just having "the right intentions" and knowing God was not enough. Clearly. 3,000 people were executed for a Feast to The Lord. Why? Because they did not follow the doctrine that was given to them. They did not listen to their authority figure or the commands to worship only The true and Living God who had taken them from captivity. You know, all that stuff you call religion. I don't know how well you know God, but I know Him to be a jealous one who has made it clear over and over again not to mix with any other religions or faiths and not be seduced into unwittingly doing so. So I'll pass on your "correction" and stick with my Bible that is 100% Correct and The Authority in my life.
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5/20/2008 5:02 am |
I differ in that I used the book to find the Father- once done, what would be the purpose of going back through the process repeatedly? It's not the "authority" of the Bible- as you suggest- that brings you into compliance with the Father's will- but the Father Himself. "The Bible is authority"- only if you don't know and belong exclusively TO the FaTher. Then as I said- It is only a road map to be used as Jesus said- As the pathway back TO the Father. Can you do that then? Or do you proclaim that the Bible itself can save you somehow by reading it, repeatedly- without ever FOLLOWING the road map home? Seems that is what christians do- never finding God- but always searching. Jesus did indeed explain that as "the blind leading the blind". Why? Because men's DOCTRINE about the Bible hides that "pathway" through the book FROM the seeker who will not cling only to Christ and His specific message. The idea that the Bible can "perfect us" is valid only in part. God perfects us- by His own choice to do so. Following the BOOK does not guarantee God will choose you. That too is found in scripture as "God does not respect persons" and - the further statements of "predestination from before time began" and other similar references about God's own ability to have chosen ONLY a few to find LIFE as Jesus also said. The discussion of various idols- must also include peoples penchant for venerating the BIble. Such is also a form of idolatry that will and HAS proved deadly to the soul. God said nothing and no one would replace HIM- or indeed provide salvation- but HIM ALONE. I dare you to take that to it's N'th degree and apply it as necessary to God's "salvation". It MAY reveal something crucial to your understanding of the "delusion and the lie" as mentioned by Paul. Be very careful what you ask for- or/and which door/gate you are knocking on- before you seek the answer to what the delusion God sent- includes. It will indeed either destroy you- or reveal the exact way back to God. I can't begin to emphasize how deadly such knowledge is to a sinner. As for your "you will stick to your bible"- so much the better. But when will you dump Moses and Aaron- and follow only the teachings of Christ? Jesus already told you about the past- (according to HIS time line ) and who was there- including Moses and Aaron and all the others. He put them INTO THE PAST and revealed that they had failed miserably for one reason- They attempted to follow GOD- but didn't KNOW whom they were following thus they were indeed not finding the "perfection" you mention. Indeed Moses made SIN worse. As did AARON. How so- if they were "following God's instruction? WHO IS GOD? Find that answer- as Jesus said you must. So far- all you have is doctrine couched in BS from the one named Moses... Think about it.... READ the scriptures with new eyes as Jesus had... it will literally scare hell out of you. Religion will DEFEAT YOU. Doctrine will DESTROY YOU. Only Jesus and what He alone taught- will lead you home. Your Bible IS correct- but only if you understand what Jesus said about it. (IE: the OT- because that's all there was back then ) Does that help? The NT is a "dead end" if you don't follow Christ alone where HE alone leads. gordy To think the Bible is just here to get you saved ignores so much of the books that really discuss many other topics than that. Is the book of Romans really about "how to get saved"? It is establishing the Doctrine of the church. meaning of salvation, how one is saved, the various differences between Jews and Gentiles, dealing with sin and a multitude of other issues. And certainly if you read you will know that God saves, and the faith in Him comes from Him, again another important concept one learns by reading the Bible. You also did not show us the verse that modifies the verse stating that the "perfecting" is only partial. Please show this verse as well. Or do you have other sources? God is not a respecter of persons, of course he isn't. But that has nothing to do with this verse which discuss a "a man of God", i.e., someone who has humbled himself, submitted to His Will and follows his Word. And I noticed you conveniently ignore the Bible being "profitable for doctrine." Which it is, Praise The Lord. Plainly stated. So, YES, I am very happy to have my doctrine with me right here. Your assertion about the Bible replacing God is pointless. I am not saying anything of the sort. I am saying that we can know and rely on God's Word to answer our questions because it is perfect and infallible. So when we have issues we are unsure of or debating we can look to The Word. But let's get to Jesus' teachings since you keep mentioning them. What did Jesus say directly to The Father when he prayed for his disciples? The men who were closest to Him. The ones He called his Friends. John 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. Jesus stated to The Lord that He gave the disciples The Word. And that they be sanctified by The Word. And i pray that you and I may be sanctified by it as well. I agree that The Father is The Creator and True and Living God but His Word is Eternal and what He has given us to know Him even better. Proverbs 1  The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.People often cite this verse. Notice it says "beginning" not end. We gain more knowledge and wisdom through studying and living what we read in His Word. 2:5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God. 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. The relationship comes from intimacy. Intimacy comes from greater knowledge and closeness to the person. And the way to do that is right here in front of us. Learning God's Word and obeying. As Jesus said: John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
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5/20/2008 1:59 pm |
Quoting you again- "As Jesus said: John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." DO you CONTINUE IN HIS WORD and nothing else... or do you believe the Bible in general is what He was teaching them to DO? It is two different things- one leads to life- one to destruction as Jesus also said. I fail to understand why people resist following ONLY Christ. You separate yourself out from all others, cling ONLY to Christ, and the book has absolutely NO remaining doctrine that matters at all after one "completes" the course Jesus set before His followers. That is how simple Jesus made it. AGAIN- "As Jesus said: John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." So the Lord gave 2 choices. CONTINUE IN MY WORD Or NOT. One does lead to TRUTH- the other leads elsewhere. What then is that TRUTH? He pointed to the subject(s ) of what that truth revealed- but left it up to those who followed Him to discover that truth via PRACTICE and perfectly following HIS INSTRUCTIONS. There is an underlying set of facts (truth) that does indeed set you free- but only if you have followed HIM and His teachings to their conclusion. Every other doctrine, notion and/or PERSON is a dead end. It will not bring you HIS truth nor will any MAN (sinner ) ever break the cycle of failure which Jesus broke back then. There is a JOB to be done that He taught to the disciples- a job we can do also. He prepared them for success in one certain "harvest" that christianity can't even name in today's world- much less do. You do a fine job of telling me I'm wrong to follow only Christ- and that I need to jump into religion again. I tell you- religion is what keeps you sinning and you will never be as Jesus said you MUST BE. If that horrifies you- to think that Jesus is the ONLY TEACHER to follow- by all means trust your religion. It has nothing to do with HIS WORD (teachings ) and can not possibly reveal HIS TRUTH. I expect more "discussion" to follow on here. By all means tell me more about why Christianity is better--- than Jesus. I will gladly watch you miss Jesus' simplest of points yet again. gordy I won't go over all the other points you ignore. I will conclude again you just rule all those other books and doctrine as "dead ends" to use your phrase. And on top of that you keep dancing around the the issue you trumpet: What are "HIS INSTRUCTIONS" that you keep mentioning but don't list? Go ahead, inform us of this sole thing we as His followers need to adhere to, shunning everything else in the Bible. And finally you again keep making this silly points about me putting something ahead or above or God or Jesus. These straw man arguments are getting nowhere because that is not what I am saying at all. But it is amusing to see you resort to that. lol.
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5/21/2008 4:47 am |
Jesus never once said "I am the word" nor did He even come to declare such a willful distortion of His message. So which "word" are you advertising here? There IS one specific detail found in Christ's words that reveals something about identity- His and the Father's- that does have to do with what LATER became called "the word" but did NOT apply to Jesus Himself. If we remove men's doctrine from what Jesus taught- "the word" means literally nothing- unless you follow His specific teachings- not those of the beginning portion of John. That reference and the doctrine it engendered is misused and wholly contradictory to the reality of what The Father had Him come to teach. I asked you again to stop with other men's doctrine- and tell us what God's Gospel WAS from Jesus own teachings. Where do you FIND those teachings? You say I don't cite "references" yet I cite the same source all of the time. JESUS TEACHINGS. So which is it? Will you indeed stop with your diatribe about ME- and tell us what is the GOSPEL God sent Jesus to TEACH them back then? Hmmmm? or will you continue to reveal that you simply do not know? Up to you. Jesus is your master- why have you not learned DIRECTLY FROM HIM SINCE HIS TEACHINGS ARE AVAILABLE? If you had done, you would not reference Paul as your "religious mentor" as you do so often. Learn from the MASTER- or remain in the darkness you reveal you are in. He alone taught what God wanted us to DO to find, know and understand HIM (the Father ). If you wish me to teach you- will you follow my teachings? You don't follow Christ- what business do you have with itching ears demanding I REPEAT HIM when YOU are fully responsible for doing as HE said... and what HE told those folks to DOOOOO if they wanted to find God and His salvation. Get over yourself- and do as Jesus said. That or continue ignoring my statement- that you must follow ONLY JESUS and no one else. He's your master. Not you. Are you doing what the Master said to DO in His own words? If you say yes- I will identify you as a liar. Simple truth. Nothing more.gordy We clearly have very different views on the Bible. I am glad that you are following Jesus though. God bless you and guide you in all you do.
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5/21/2008 2:43 pm |
I am not telling you anything. You are the one who said follow "HIS INSTRUCTIONS." You have ranted and raved about following Jesus' instructions but have not once said one thing of substance. You have been wholly rhetoric. You can call me a liar, sinner or of corrupt belief. That's completely fine with me. No personal slight is going to affect me. What would affect me is an actual substantive point of which you have not made. So again, if you are not interested in sharing your gospel, then don't share it. You have ignored numerous points I made in order to fire your shots and now make demands on me. lol Congratulations. But at the end of the day, you have not advanced your position because you are not supporting it with any real knowledge or information or INSTRUCTIONS. It's akin to saying "I'm right...because I'm right!" I never said you were not following Jesus. My initial post to you was calling out the "Traditions of man" and critiquing them. Again, I have no interest in a fight. I will gladly debate but the tone of this is just plain juvenile. So I will agree to disagree and keep reading my entire Word, which is profitable for doctrine and pray for more revelation and closeness with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
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