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Would you attend a fellowship that denies remarriage? |
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I think you make some good points. To me, two people who stand before God and speak their vows are married in his eyes whether or not they have a paper or not. Its just been in the last 50 years we had state liscences. I dont care how many times people are married.
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As Jesus said he that is without sin let him cast the first stone. Jesus was always ready to forgive and forget. I don't think that people should just arbitrarily get divorced. But a church that would not allow it needs to look at themselves and then forgive. If God be for us; who can stand against us!
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I agree mountainman. Unfortunately most "doctrinal " beliefs are a mixture of the defunct covenant of law and the Covenant of grace which in effect forms a muddled view of what the Gospel is.
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righteous judgement is very merciful and loving. The Martyrs are continually calling out for justice in the book of revelations.
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I think you make some good points. To me, two people who stand before God and speak their vows are married in his eyes whether or not they... I dont care how many times people are married. Interesting to read this "two people who stand before God and speak their vows are married in his eyes: but you don't care how many times people are married," do you ever honour God and your vow of marriage in front of God eye or marriage for you just is just a game, once it was over then go for the next one?  Wish you Peace, Joy and Love!
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remember, hebrews 8:13 declares old testament law dead What about what Jesus said in New Tastement? Let us not see what you say, let see what did Bible says and Jesus said.. Let see what The WORD of GOD talk about those who divorce and intend to remarry again... When Christ was asked if it was lawful for a man to put away his wife "for every cause" He replied that a man "shall cleave to his wife, and they two shall be in one flesh...What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder." (Matt 19:3-6) And the Apostle Paul wrote "But to them that are married, not I but the LORD COMMANDETH, that the wife depart from her husband. And if she depart, that she REMAIN UNMARRIED or to be RECONCILED to her husband (1 Cor 7:10-11) In Matthew 19:9 christ does not permit divorse in cases of fornication. He permits SEPARATION, this is clear from the fact that those who separated were cautioned NOT TO REMARRY. Read Mark 10:11-12 and Luke 16:18 So think about the consequences of adultry, heaven or hell there all are exits! I know many left certain church like Catholic Church because they are not allow to re-marry again and I think Church is making a good stand for what Jesus value in this modern days! I think many should not blame Church, others or how other see, the more important things is look into oneself, are you first obey God and honour God in your marriage vow and life. Wish you Peace, Joy and Love!
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what Jesus said in the New testament was also before Christianity ever began. He was fulfilling the law of the old covenant which is dead.
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You tried to find your own justification for yourself, Bible has clearly said this out in many places, since Bible Alone is the only authority and yet you did not obey it from cover to cover and this is the main problem of the Bible Alone is the only authority in many churches. Point out to me where does the Bible said you can marry and remarry as many times as you want while the other spouse is still alive. Do you think The Ten Commandment is also dead, do remember, Jesus did not condemm all the laws, he condemmed only the corrupted laws! Wish you Peace, Joy and Love!
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I would rather NOT attend a church that allow guy marriage or remarry because you were once married because they do not honour God, His words and marriage! " He replied that a man "shall cleave to his wife, and they two shall be in one flesh...What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder." (Matt 19:3-6) I think it is better to change WOULD YOU ATTEND A FELLOWSHIP THAT DENIES THE WORD OF GOD INSTEAD OF REMARRIAGE! Wish you Peace, Joy and Love!
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well we are all a completed believer in Gods eyes, yet a work in progress as a person here on earth
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1/28/2008 8:17 pm |
No I would not attend a fellowship that says "I can not remarry because I once was married". However I would attend a fellowship that TAUGHT the people the pitfalls and dangers that remarriage can bring. If I was once married and now divorced (or available to remarry), wouldn't my divorce be indicative of some character or moral flaw in myself or my mate (or my marriage)? A shepherd (pastor) oversees the spiritual welfare of the flock. Any marriage in the fellowship must have sanction of the spiritual leadership as I would be married (again) and my marriage (again) would affect the spiritual health of the fellowship to which I belong. Marriage is a covenant between me and my mate and God and therefore requires that my part in covenant be substantial in order to be in obedience to my God in submission to His instruction for His people for marriage. If I am available to remarry prudence would require me to learn from my past marriage what went wrong that resulted in my divorce. Unless I allow God to strengthen that area of weakness I have no business in seeking remarriage at all. Therefore let the shepherd teach me these things and allow me to submit to the spiritual instruction of my leaders. A true disciple of Christ follows the shepherd. The Lord is my shepherd. PS The law of Moses has three parts (ceremonial, civil and moral). That part of the law to which we are no longer under is the ceremonial law which deals with the sacrificial offering of an animal for the sins of the people. Jesus Christ died for the sins of His people once and for all. "Thou shall have no other gods before me . . . " is from the moral law and I would be ignorant to believe that I am no longer under this command. Now that the LAW/Holy Spirit is in me I can now please God.
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anyway you look at it you are under grace. It only needs the sabction of God. Pastors as they were before man changed them were overseers. They were servants to the group. They werent orators and they werent Kings as they are now. The huge part I think you are missing is that many times, many people have no choice based on the actions of their spouces. It isnt just cheating it is the defiance that sometimes people just want out. The word says to let them go in peace. There werent even "marriage liscences" until the 1900's. That is when government got involved. Before it was a certificate. Before that it was nothing in many cases.
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Hi Lesly Ann ...  Blessings to you
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1/29/2008 5:46 pm |
The pastors I know are servants and are far from kings. Last year when we had a huge storm my senior pastor was out along with the other pastors helping clean up the debris for over a week from church members yards and from surrounding neighbors yards. When I moved my senior pastor volunteered to help me move along with others from the church. I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but I believe you have found the exceptions and not the rule among pastors. Regarding marriage licenses and governments, only a formality. The real issue is the covenant you have entered into not only with your spouse but with God. This is not to be taken lightly, which happens in many of the cases today. Marriages/relationships are hard, you MUST work at them. Many people give up when things really get tough. You will not be able to sustain a marriage on your own strength. It can and will only happen if both partners keep their eyes on the Lord. Take your eyes off God and try to make it work in yourself, you will sink. Ask Peter. That's why it is so important that you are equally yoked. Yes we are under grace and yes there are times a spouse will walk out of a marriage but then do we learn from those mistakes? When looking to get married do we really take the time to get to know the person we are considering marrying? How long should we know a potential mate before getting married? I fear many people really dont' know their future spouse and rush into marriage way too soon. Waiting and getting to know a potential mate could keep us from getting married to the wrong person. The Bible tells us that God hates divorce and so should we.
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Hi! I am agree with you that "The Bible tells us that God hates divorce and so should we" Yes, we should be here to encourage one another according to what the Bible says for the marriage in God is for lifetime, we should cultivate that love, commitment, sacrifice in marriage instead of our OWN THINKING, OWN WAYS, OWN JUSTIFICATION for divorce and remarry again. Wish you Peace, Joy and Love!
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If a Pastor stands in a Pulpit and orates every week... he is a King
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i would not attend because that would be judgement IS GOD A MAN OR A WOMAN
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1/31/2008 12:45 am |
If a Pastor stands in a Pulpit and orates every week... he is a King Why do you knock pastors and look for their failures? You should be placing your eyes on God instead. Take your eyes off man and put them on God and allow Him to open your heart to mercy and grace and forgiveness. This is YOUR pulpit and you post almost eveyday. What does this make you? Stop pointing an unrighteous finger at others and look at yourself in the mirror everyday when you wake up... smote your breast and say, "God, be merciful to me, a sinner. A real friend tells you when your face is dirty.
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well the scriptures you are using in Matthew is simply Jesus saying what the law was. The Law was done away with at the cross. The New Covenant we are in did not begin until Jesus gave his life for us. Heb 8:13 says the law is dead. Jer..31-31-34 speaks on this and says God writes moral law on believers hearts. Like you said...it takes 2 God hates divorce because of what it does to people he loves. Not because it breaks a rule that was given.
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2/1/2008 9:11 pm |
well the scriptures you are using in Matthew is simply Jesus saying what the law was. The Law was done away with at the cross. The New Covenant we are in did not begin until Jesus gave his life for us. Heb 8:13 says the law is dead. Jer..31-31-34 speaks on this and says God writes moral law on believers hearts. Like you said...it takes 2 God hates divorce because of what it does to people he loves. Not because it breaks a rule that was given. To be in total conformity to the Word of God as you can see means divorce is not an option. As God keeps his promises and commitments, we too are commanded to keep our promises and commitments. Here in Matthew 19 Jesus declares a plan for marriage. It was because of hard hearts that Moses allowed separation by divorce. Hard heart means lack of love. There is another word that can be used and the word is "schism." You say we are not under the law but as I said above there are three parts to the Mosaic Law. The part of the Law that was nailed to the cross was the ceremonial law. This had to do with atonement and worship through the sacrificing of an animal for the sins of God's covenant people. The moral and the civil part of the Law are still valid and these are written upon our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33). The Law was a foreshadowing of the Holy Spirit. It is necessary for these two parts of the Law to remain in effect else we would not be bound to not having other gods before us or neither would we be required to honor our father and mother, nor would we have to remember the sabbath day and keep it holy. If we were no longer under the Law as you say, to be quite frank with you, would mean there would be no Holy Spirit in the world today. I suggest you take a closer study on this question as to whether or not we are no longer under the Law as you say. Even the apostle Paul understood that we were still under two thirds of the Law (moral and civil). Paul quotes the instruction of a command from the Civil Law in 1 Cor. 9:9 ... "For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?" If the apostle Paul who taught us in Romans about the Grace of God vs the Law of God can still quote from the civil part of the Law of Moses I'd say that we were under command to these Laws because it is these laws that are written in our heart by the Holy Spirit. And another thing . . . keep in mind that unless you are a Jew the covenant God made with Abraham and Moses does not apply to you. You must be a Jew. Are you a physical Jew and can you trace your ancestors back to Abraham? I think you need to study this some more because there is error in your understanding and in your doctrine.
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You quote scriptures becfore the New covenant existed. That old covenant was called imperfect and to be done away with: Jer 31:31-33 31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. 33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Hebrews 8 7 For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away. The old law is dead. We are under grace. Galatians 5 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 1 Tim 1:9 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
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