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why dont people take the time? Aug 19, 2008 10:14 pm
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I wonder why people do not take the time to find out about preachers, leaders and fads? Do you ever wonder why? These same people always get caught with egg on their face in many situations. We all get egg on our face, but do we want the hen living on our face?
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The Party Saturday the 23rd in St Pete Florida Aug 19, 2008 8:20 pm
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It will start at 10 am and run as long as people like. Some people are coming in the afternoon after work. We will have a CD player so feel free to bring some cd's.

We are going to have a time of prayer and any prayer please feel free to add here.

In the evening the restaraunt at the top of the pier has a live band and we may mosey over there.

They have public grills there in the park and at the pavillions in the park. We want to meet as close to the Pier as possible so it will be easier to meet. We will put up a sign saying BC Gathering, so it will be easy. Many people have my cell number or Mia's so it will be easy. If you do not just email us and we will oblige you.

Bob (Clearwatermail) Is bringing ice and some drinks with a Kooler. I am going to bring an extra 2 liter and a fav glass to use all day. I am also going to make some baked beans and bring those as well as some hotdogs and buns.

Mia is making her world famous Potato Salad, recipe right out of Canada. She is also going to bring a few other things.

Suzy is bringing her world famous "Baltimore Macaroni Salad" which she claims is the best ever.

Tonya says she is bringing some meats and we need some bread/ buns.

The address is 800 2nd Ave NE
St Pete,

Directions are: From I-4 take Take the exit onto I-275 S toward Tampa Int'l Airport/St Petersburg 21.9 mi

. Take exit 23A on the left to merge onto I-375 E toward Bay Walk/The Pier 1.1 mi

. Exit onto 4th Ave N 0.4 mi

9. Turn right at 4th St N 0.2 mi

10. Turn left at 2nd Ave N 0.9 mi

and you are there.
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well they wouldnt let me in the ocean Aug 19, 2008 3:29 pm
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50 mph winds and crashing waves. I am so disappointed.
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Rick Warren and the Occult Aug 19, 2008 8:12 am
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PAGANISM in the

PURPOSE DRIVEN TEACHING



or "WHAT ON EARTH AM I DOING READING THIS BOOK?"


“…your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.” I Corinthians 2:5


As committed Christians, we shouldn't be so cavalier about the way our popular church leaders and teachers dissect and disseminate God's word for our edification. Best-selling or not, Christian authors cannot indiscriminately recast verses to fit their inventive teachings or mix God's truth with the fanciful notions of the world. By buying into this evangelical herd mentality, today's Christians are abandoning the pure word of God for a poor imitation where deception is the likely result. Whether sincere or not, Christian teachers like Rick Warren must be held to a biblical standard. But until the evangelical community stands up for God's truth and stops placing their faith in the "next big thing" in Christian consumerism, the Bible will continue to lag behind these bestsellers in influencing postmodern Christian thought and practice. Case in point: Rick Warren's Purpose Driven Life...


INTRODUCTION:
PARDON ME, MR. WARREN, BUT SOME PAGAN ROOTS ARE SHOWING...


The logo for Warren’s “Purpose Driven” teachings is a flourishing tree that represents the purpose-driven life of a Christian; a tree that, as Jeremiah 17-8 says, has deep roots and green leaves, and produces delicious fruit. In applying this symbolism to his teaching, Warren is acknowledging the critical importance of a tree’s roots in supplying strength and vitality to the trunk and branches. Admittedly, this is a recurring illustration found throughout Scripture to depict a person’s spiritual well-being, or lack thereof.

In keeping with this parable of the tree, The Sacred Sandwich asks the legitimate question: If the “Purpose Driven” teaching of Warren were viewed as a tree, then where is it rooted? Is it planted deep into the rich soil of Christ’s teachings or is it found in the rocky ground of worldly wisdom?

Sadly, Warren has planted his “Purpose Driven” tree in mixed dirt. While there may be much to commend in encouraging Christians to find their godly purpose, Warren’s teaching has grounded its authority in the world’s wisdom as much as in the Bible. As a result, he has compromised his teaching with manmade sciences that supercede the clear dictates of inspired Scripture.

Perhaps the worst of Warren’s reliance on human ingenuity comes when he directs his readers to the heart of The Purpose Driven Life teaching: “finding your SHAPE.” This is where the Christian is encouraged to complete Warren’s SHAPE program in order to find their “purpose.” By taking this assessment course, the Christian explores how God has “shaped” them for ministry through their Spiritual gifts, Heart, Abilities, Personality, and Experience. According to Warren, the SHAPE program identifies “the secret” (pg. 24 that helps you “see more clearly how God is calling us to minister in His world.”

The question must be asked, however, how did Paul and the other apostles conduct their ministry without it? In truth, the SHAPE program has little basis in Scripture, and is generally a conglomeration of business techniques, psychology, gnosticism and outright paganism.

Clearly, the fourth tenet of Warren’s SHAPE program, the personality assessment test, is fully rooted in the pagan philosophy of temperament divination. It has no foundation whatsoever in any biblical teaching, not even in part. At the risk of mixing metaphors, the SHAPE program is like a building constructed upon both rock and sand, which will soon collapse upon its shaky foundation. Regardless of whether the rock/sand mix is 90/10, it is still an unreliable and unbiblical underpinning that calls into question the judgment of Warren’s “Purpose Driven” ministry to correctly build up the body of Christ.



THE PAGAN AND OCCULT ORIGINS OF PSYCHOLOGICAL TYPOLOGY


“...in the latter times some shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits and the doctrines of devils...” I Timothy 4:11

Rick Warren, whether he realizes it or not, has utilized pagan and occult-influenced psychological theory to help formulate the Personality Theory section of his SHAPE program. Though we have no evidence that it is a calculated act by Warren, we do believe that his refusal to ground his teachings solely on Scripture has led to his misguided involvement with fashionable philosophies of pagan origin.

The charts at the bottom of this page have been created to give a quick overview of the clear and observable connection of the SHAPE personality theory program to historic pagan thought and practice. For the sake of expediency, we have only gone back to second century Greece to show the striking similarities between the pagan teachings of Galen, Swiss psychologist Carl Jung, and Rick Warren’s personality assessment in SHAPE.

To truly see the original roots of paganism, however, one would have to go all the way back through history to Adam’s fall when man first rebelled against the revelation of the one true God and fell into idolatry. As a deliberate religious system, paganism found its true birth in the Egyptian and Babylonian kingdoms through the development of astrology and other manmade philosophies. As a polytheistic nation, the Babylonians saw the skies as incorporating the language of their gods. Through the observations of celestial forces, they attempted to read omens and predict future events, like famine and war, that would affect their people.

As centuries passed and kingdoms came and went, pagan astrology spread to Persia and points beyond, and was eventually embraced by the Greeks. During this Hellenistic period, astrology was molded to fit more closely with Greek philosophy and religion. Thus, astrology was no longer used to predict the fate of the nation, as the Babylonians used it, but was adopted for divining more intimate and personal information. Much of the philosophical underpinnings of historic astrology were used to create the Greek sciences that pertained to the body and soul, like psychology, anatomy and pharmacology.

It was on this pagan foundation that Galen of Pergamum developed his teachings on the four temperaments, or humors, for studying and understanding the construct of the body and soul. (The Galenic temperaments, in fact, are the source for some of Warren’s teaching on personality theory in ministry.) Galen based his beliefs on the earlier work of Empedocles and Hippocrates. Empedocles believed the universe was made up of four elements: fire, air, earth and water, with each having its own god or goddess. Hippocrates, known as the Father of Medicine, believed that these four elements had four corresponding body fluids or “humors.” These were defined as blood, yellow bile, black bile, and phlegm; each one designating personality types. Galen took this premise and further developed the temperament theory into the four categories of melancholic, phlegmatic, sanguine, and choleric.

It is no coincidence, perhaps, that Galen was from Pergamum, a city mentioned by Jesus Christ in Revelation (Rev. 2:12-17). Pergamum was the renowned site of the temple of Asclepius, the Greek god of healing. In his early formative years, Galen was an attendant in that pagan temple and was schooled there in the knowledge of Greek medicine.

People from all over the Roman empire came to seek healing in the temple of Asclepius: the shrine area was inhabited by thousands of non-poisonous snakes that were believed to bring healing to those who were touched by them. To the Greeks and Romans, medicine and science were worshipped as gifts from the gods, and the symbol of this worship was the serpent. The “caduceus,” the staff entwined with a snake, was the healing scepter of the god Asclepius, and is still used as the preeminent symbol of the medical arts community today. (The engraving on the left shows the god Hermes and a merchant approaching Asclepius, who is holding his large caduceus.)

Indeed, Pergamum, Galen’s hometown, was the center of many pagan cults. It was the seat of Babylonian sun worship, and home to many splendid pagan statues and temples to nature and the gods, most notably Zeus. For this reason, Jesus called Pergamum the abode of “Satan’s throne” (Rev. 2:13).

Clearly the religious atmosphere in Pergamum was not conducive to the Christian life, and as a result, the church in that city was sharply admonished by Christ for compromising itself with her surrounding pagan culture. In reaction to this compromise, Christ corrected them by bearing the “sharp sword with two edges,” which is symbolic of the penetrating word of God that is the “discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart,” and from which nothing in creation is hidden (Hebrews 4:12-13).

Sadly, like the church at Pergamum, Warren has seen fit to compromise his biblical principles with the surrounding secular culture of our day. Whether Warren devotees want to admit it or not, Warren’s SHAPE program for personality classification is directly tied to Galen’s (and Jung’s) pagan teachings on temperament and psychological typology. The facts seem to show that Warren has compromised his Christian beliefs with the ways of the pagan world. Therefore, it would do well for Warren and his followers to heed Christ’s eternal admonition for the churches to ground their faith in the “two-edged sword” of God’s word, see the error of their ways, and not be “overcome” by the current paganism in our midst.

For any Christian who defends Warren’s approach and sees no harm in applying Greek or Jungian psychological typology to their lives, you should be informed of the blatant pagan origins of these manmade theories. Not all “truth” is God’s truth, despite the prevalent sentiment of evangelical circles to profess such an idea. Just as Paul wisely resisted the temptation to apply Greek philosophy to the Christian faith in his day, so, too, should contemporary Christian leaders be wary of using the world’s “wisdom” as a proper tool to build up the body of Christ. As Paul taught us, “Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers.”

The following charts will make it all too clear that these personality and psychological theories advocated by Warren not only contradict Scripture, but they are based on occult divination and satanic deception.

google:sacred sanwhich paganism in purpose driven
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The same old thing as the new thing Aug 19, 2008 8:07 am
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Mike Offenheimer

Benny Hinn gave a prophecy on 12/30/02 explaining on “ the 18th of December at 2 am I awakened to a prophecy ringing in my heart. I was hearing myself prophesy. ... Jeremiah the prophet said that when the Spirit of God came upon him, when the word of the Lord came upon him, it was as fire came into his being. And he could not hold the prophesy. When the Word of the Lord is given to you, you'll prophesy even if you're alone in that place. And so I felt as though my mouth was about to burst with this prophesy. But what I heard was frightening. That was on Wednesday. Thursday morning at 2 am in fact. And now I'm hearing the words “Rivers of blood, rivers of blood.” And the Lord revealed to me what's coming in the next few days and weeks with this war with Iraq. I will tell you this, I won't say everything, but I'll tell you this -- dangerous days are ahead for this world. …I will tell you this, Satan is ready to unleash horror and terror on this earth as never before. But I heard the Lord say, literally I heard Him speak those words, He said, “Dark days are ahead for the world, and bright days for my people.” (Applause) I was prophesying it. “Those who know me and those who walk with me will know light and beauty, says the Lord.” God began to speak these words. Hinn: Now soon I will share the whole prophesy. But then a second prophesy came. But saints, in that first prophesy I saw things that frightened me.” “Hinn: But then there was a second prophesy where I saw a scroll unfold before me and God showed me Satan's plan for the future.”

“I sensed things I never thought I'd sense. For the first time in years, Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. He's coming very quickly.”

“Hinn: I am hearing it from the Lord right this minute as I'm standing here, I'm hearing from the Holy Spirit that a change is coming, a mighty change … yes, Lord, thank you … yes, Lord, thank you … I'm just hearing the Lord telling me when. I'm telling you ... Steve: When? Hinn: March 3rd. I just heard March 3rd in my ears. … I'm hearing the Lord say that to me. Hinn: But I'm hearing the Lord say that to me. (Benny Hinn, TBN “Praise The Lord”, 12/30/02)

Hinn compares himself to the prophet Jeremiah which has no true comparison. Hinn shares about coming in the next few days and weeks with this war with Iraq, rivers of blood. Well nothing happened in the weeks after he spoke this, certainly there was no bloodbath as he claimed. Yet we all know anything can happen in this world today and violence can break out even in our own country. What kind of prophesy is this that is so vague and wrong! We can add this day to the list of all the other prophecies that have not come to pass from Hinn’s lord. Yet it gets more indicting

“God Himself awoke Benny with a prophesy that is frightening to say the least. That's right God told Hinn that “rivers of blood” will come in the near future unless fervent prayer is exercised on behalf of TBN partners and the Body of Christ in general. He told Rod Parsley on this program that great judgment is coming and this is in addition to the fire, shaking, shuddering, and raining that is also supposed to come upon the church as seen in Hinn's past dreams. He said in closing that Mar. 3 will be a day to be remembered because God personally told him that He would do “something” super supernatural that day that was not for the pastors like Parsley or Hinn but for regular church people. We should of course get ready for whatever is coming by sowing a healthy financial seed into these guys ministries, and that almost goes without saying these days from them. (Benny Hinn, TBN, quoted in an email by a viewer on 2/27/03)

Well this day MAR.3 came and went like any other day, and this prophesy went bust as usual. Is anyone paying attention!!! The prophesy train pulls out of one station to the next and continues down the track…and the people get on board.

Only a few weeks later Mar.16,2003 Hinn has John Hagee as a guest. Although Hagee is one of the more intelligent word faith teachers it does not help his integrity by appearing on the Benny Hinn program. Hinn’s interview was about what is happening in the world today with Iraq and after this war. After Hagee gives an explanation of Ex.38 and a Muslim coalition descending on Israel. He says Jesus is coming back at any time to rapture the church, that it will occur before Ez.38 “The church of Jesus Christ could be raptured in months, think about that!” Hinn agrees and says “your right scripturally” it could happen in the next 6 months or next year. Hagee then admonishes the people that we need to give our time to witnessing “if you have a soul to win, win it now, if you have song to sing, sing it now, if you have an offering to give, give it now you may not be here next week.” He then says “he’s coming for those who look for his glorious appearing, the flip of the logic is. if your not looking for his coming he’s not coming for you. He’s just coming for those who are looking for him. I’m looking for him.”

Hinn then says, “I think all of us in the church have sensed something in our hearts about this war?” The audience responds in agreement. Hagee then tells people to get ready for the coming of the son of man because “were getting ready to leave this world, Jesus Christ is soon to appear in the clouds of heaven and everything people are developing ulcers trying to get together does not amount to that (clicks his fingers) were getting ready to meet the son of God in the heavens, because we are that close.”

Does Hinn believe Jesus is really coming soon?

I have nothing against this view in fact I like what he said about the immanency of Christ. However, what I am disgusted about is what Hinn did afterwards using it a grandstand opportunity to ask people for money. “Saints now listen to me, what we do for the Lord must be done now, you feel the urgency…souls are waiting by the millions, our ministry will do our job we will be faithful in our vineyard where God has placed us…but the important thing is we must not fail him, we cannot fail him he’s depending on us, I’m asking you as my partner asking you those that watch this program and have been blessed to support the work of God. If you have not in the past do it now, do it now for the sake of souls… I need many to stand with me, the healing ministry as pastor Hagee said earlier draws attention, people are watching and when they see the power of God, then we can say now Jesus is the answer. So today do your best, do your best to keep this ministry strong.” In fact there are some wonderful open doors for me right now on television and I don’t want to say yes before I know that you’ll support me, so we got to do it together. You can call in your donation or simply send it to …” (Mar.16, 2003)

It is this kind of manipulation that gets me angry enough to write this, because I care for people and this is nothing less than an opportunist taking advantage of a good pitch to further his kingdom. Is this what you tell people to do when Jesus is coming soon, send money to help his ministry?

You can always tell what something is about by how they wrap it up with the punchline.

On the November 9, 1990 Praise-a-Thon, Hinn told Crouch a new revelation. “Paul, I can say this -- Are you ready for this? We may have two years before the rapture. . . Can I be blunt with ya? I don't know if we have two years left. . . I'm gonna prove to you from the Word tonight, that we have less than two years.” Crouch then told people to give because of the time element we have left.1993 came and went with no rapture, and Hinn seems to have reversed his view. Hinn moved from his Alaqua home that was $685,000, and now lives in a 3 and half million dollar house. He has everything paid for in his ministry, and if he really believed Hagee’s stirring for people to get with it, he would not be saying what he did. Wouldn't they be telling everyone to drop what you are doing and use every spare minute to witness to others?

But there is more. In fact, one may question if Hinn actually believes any of this that was said. John Paul Jackson who was on Hinn's program Dec. 30, 2002 when Hinn gave his prophesy of Mar.3, 2003 had this to say: “Now what God is doing in these dreams is He's giving you a taste of a level of influence and insight and perception, spiritual perception, that you're going to walk in, in a more consistent basis in the weeks and months and years to come.”

John Paul Jackson has become known as an expert on dreams and dream interpretation he was on another previous program of Hinn’s at the beginning of 2002. He prophesied for Hinn what his ministry would be doing years in the future. The Lord told Hinn in his dream, “I’m going to give you eight years and then you have to walk through it.” He asks Jackson for God to speak to him to help understand this, John Paul: “Benny your clock started ticking last week when you walked through the house with your mother, that clock started ticking, so right around the year Christmas, new years 2010 this gate is going to open for you. And in the process of that opening it is exactly what is written in the book of Thiatira of Revelation, to the church of Thiatira, saying if you overcome this I will give you the ability to rule over nations; If you overcome this deep things of Satan, deeper then you think right now, when you overcome this you will have overcome that which seeks to usurp your reward.”

Jackson says “The gates of the 2nd dream represent a new authority that God is going to pour out to those who walk at a level unprecedented since the early church….” Hinn: “So what the lord was saying to me then was in the next eight years I am to fulfill the first dream.” Jackson: “actually what he was saying is you will fulfill the first dream, he was also saying to you, that, it is a process its not going to be instantaneous...” (This is Your Day Jan.16, 2002).

Putting aside the ominous tone of Hinn ruling over nations, I bring your attention to what both Hinn and Jackson who interpreted the dream said. The Lord told Hinn I’m going to give you eight years, Jackson gives the date of 2010. Hinn is affirming this interpretation as true, the Lord(?) has given him the date and he is required to do things along the way. So either Hagee is wrong about the rapture happening soon or Hinn, who has heard from his lord, told him years in advance what he would be doing on earth is wrong. Both cannot be right. Jesus said we cannot know the day or the hour but from these revelations we now know when Jesus will NOT come back...until.

Again these men bring confusion laying down a crooked line. Even though Hinn said “He's coming very quickly,” and affirmed to Hagee your right scripturally. In light of what Hagee said,s does Hinn actually believe Jesus could be coming soon if he accept a prophecy that says the opposite?

Oh yes, I forgot one other detail that may help us understand who is speaking to Hinn. In his Honolulu crusade in 1997 “I asked the Lord, I said, “Lord, how long will I live?” He told me, He said, “Sixty-nine, if you take care of yourself, seventy-three” (Hawaii Crusade Blaisdell center 2/28/97).

This kind of confusion cannot be from God.
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Gods Love or Gods sensational acts of Signs and Wonders Aug 19, 2008 6:11 am
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One is his staple. One never fails and yet the other he warns about us getting caught up in.

Would you want to be received for what you are or would you want to be received for what you can do?

Thats like loving a millionaire for his money.
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