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 If there truly is no such thing as free will for the common human, then one would not have the freedom to decide whether or not such a thing actually exists or not; thus it would be futile and a fools errand to bang on and on about it. Of course then again- if free will truly does not exist, this post would have no effect on those who bang on about it, because they like-wise would not have the freedom to decide to stop banging on about it. Therefore resistence from illogic- as well as logic- would be futile I suppose. Or do I??LOL?  GB! sabrefire Copyright © 2008 MAS |
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7/3/2008 9:19 pm |
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. Ever watch a movie, then watch it with someone who has not seen it? You know what is going to happen next, you have seen the end. God knows us even better than that. There is no choice, except just apparently so, at the current moment of execution of a seeming choice, that God foreknew already. Including the out come. Know? Yes? ? . . Continue to be faithful, deliverance is near, obedience must be seen, be an unconditional blessing as He continues to bless you. This time is short, serve Him well, serving all. Without exception. Know? Yes? ? . Meow ? .
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 7/3/2008 9:21 pm |
Hey sabre, I'm commenting of my own free will... well... sorta... kinda... hmmmm?????? LOL Great insight brother. Very thought provoking!! wisdom back to you! God Bless!! Grace, like water, always flows downward, to the lowest place. Amazing Grace!!
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7/4/2008 6:01 am |
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. Ever watch a movie, then watch it with someone who has not seen it? You know what is going to happen next, you have seen the end. God knows us even better than that. There is no choice, except just apparently so, at the current moment of execution of a seeming choice, that God foreknew already. Including the out come. Know? Yes? ? . . Continue to be faithful, deliverance is near, obedience must be seen, be an unconditional blessing as He continues to bless you. This time is short, serve Him well, serving all. Without exception. Know? Yes? ? . Meow ? . It is my opinion that the elect and the very elect who are numbered in Rev, do not have free-will, but divine will. To the rest their souls are in question as they have been endowned with free-will. Whom will they follow after beng born of water (by woman)? Life of death? This is the meaning of this Life. Even Nebachnezzer was called His servant. GB! sabrefire
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7/4/2008 6:07 am |
Hey sabre, I'm commenting of my own free will... well... sorta... kinda... hmmmm?????? LOL Great insight brother. Very thought provoking!! wisdom back to you! God Bless!! GB and thanks! sabrefire
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7/4/2008 6:18 am |
More on my thoughts about free will see my post What's the Hubbub about Free-Will???
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7/4/2008 6:29 am |
Hi Sabre, LOL! This reminds me of Descartes' Cogito, ergo sum. (for those who don't know it: I think, therefore I am. Why not expanding it in: Credo, ergo salvus ero! (I believe, therefore I'll be saved. ??? As far I've noticed here, those that won't mix Free Will and God's Grace and insist saying one can't accept Salvation (since it's a gift), are for the most only those following the "old" reformed Calvinist doctrine (even if they deny it); Calvin and his successors developed Luther's doctrine of justification and emphasized the grace of God and the doctrine of predestination. (That is: only those that are elected will accept Christ.) However, getting at the bottom of this stubborn conviction reveals instead that it makes the grace of God even more illogical, and it completely nullifies the Power of the Gospel "to attract" ALL human kind and every single one to be forgiven. Hence they have to defend and deny that no one by one's own "free will" can ever accepts to follow Christ unless they are drawn by the Father. Therefore, to preach the gospel worldwide means (in their beliefs) that only the elected a priori will come to listen to it and be saved. (!) Don't try to discuss with them since they will overlook and ignore even the scriptures you might present against their narrow-minded view. I like this Latin saying better: CREDENDO VIDES = By believing (faith) one will see (and not by seeing one will believe!)  God bless!  ______________ 
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7/4/2008 7:01 am |
Hi Sabre, LOL! This reminds me of Descartes' Cogito, ergo sum. (for those who don't know it: I think, therefore I am. Why not expanding it in: Credo, ergo salvus ero! (I believe, therefore I'll be saved. ??? As far I've noticed here, those that won't mix Free Will and God's Grace and insist saying one can't accept Salvation (since it's a gift), are for the most only those following the "old" reformed Calvinist doctrine (even if they deny it); Calvin and his successors developed Luther's doctrine of justification and emphasized the grace of God and the doctrine of predestination. (That is: only those that are elected will accept Christ.) However, getting at the bottom of this stubborn conviction reveals instead that it makes the grace of God even more illogical, and it completely nullifies the Power of the Gospel "to attract" ALL human kind and every single one to be forgiven. Hence they have to defend and deny that no one by one's own "free will" can ever accepts to follow Christ unless they are drawn by the Father. Therefore, to preach the gospel worldwide means (in their beliefs) that only the elected a priori will come to listen to it and be saved. (!) Don't try to discuss with them since they will overlook and ignore even the scriptures you might present against their narrow-minded view. I like this Latin saying better: CREDENDO VIDES = By believing (faith) one will see (and not by seeing one will believe!) God bless! ______________ Im glad you caught the "illogical and logical both being futile in this view" argument in my post. It's true, it's impossible to argue anything with one who presumes no one has free-will, because nothing could ever be gained, as they think everything is fixed. Futility. GB BB and thanks brother, Great points! sabrefire
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7/4/2008 8:26 am |
Very good thread here. Yes, freewill is a wonderful thing and the Lord surely loves us and desires us but does not force us. Amen. GBU From one bride to another, God keep you, bless you, increase you, Rhonda  
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7/4/2008 10:02 am |
Very good thread here. Yes, freewill is a wonderful thing and the Lord surely loves us and desires us but does not force us. Amen. GBU sabrefire
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7/4/2008 10:04 am |
 
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7/4/2008 1:54 pm |
LOL thanks, this post was bound to come into existence of course! There was no preventing it. Resistence is futile. Vulcan mind meld to all readers! Lol...
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7/4/2008 2:04 pm |
Sabre, I linked your post to my new one... +++THOSE THAT DISTORT JESUS, DISTORT OBVIOUSLY ALSO THE 1st LETTER OF JOHN! +++ as a continuation of Sheri's blog! Some negative comments already arrived, but I think they didn't read the entire post!  United we stand in His Holy Name until the end! Amen! BB
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7/4/2008 7:20 pm |
 Well thought out & orchestrated there buddy Luv is patient, kind, unselfish, hopes 4 the best...
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7/5/2008 12:39 am |
Sharing the luv, Steve's orders  ...Luv ya Luv is patient, kind, unselfish, hopes 4 the best...
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7/5/2008 12:46 am |
Sabre, I linked your post to my new one... +++THOSE THAT DISTORT JESUS, DISTORT OBVIOUSLY ALSO THE 1st LETTER OF JOHN! +++ as a continuation of Sheri's blog! Some negative comments already arrived, but I think they didn't read the entire post! United we stand in His Holy Name until the end! Amen! BB  Gb, sabrefire
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7/5/2008 12:55 am |
Well thought out & orchestrated there buddy LOL, Gb and thanks again! sabrefire
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7/5/2008 12:57 am |
Sharing the luv, Steve's orders ...Luv ya sabrefire
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7/5/2008 10:08 pm |
Sheryl that makes a grrrrrreat lesson for Free-will! Thanks!!! Concerning G-d's Love for His children; True Love only exists with the freedom to chose to love. Eg...I can record my own voice on my laptop saying 'I love you.' and play it whenever I want. But it would mean nothing compared to another who freely says it of their own volition! G-d didn't create in us, robots or machines programed to say "I love you." I don't love my recording software!! But that is why He loves us beyond all other creation here. That's why we are different. That's why we were deemed by Him worthy to come and die for... TRUE LOVE!! The kind that's just to die for, literally. sabrefire
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7/6/2008 9:06 am |
Youth- by Matisyahu Miller some of them come now some of them are running some of them are looking for fun some of them are looking for a way out of confusion some of them don't know what to be some of them don't know where to go some of them just got instincts that something's missing from the show some don't fit society, insides are crying low some of them teachers quash the flame before it had a chance to grow some of them embers do glow them charcoal, hushed and low some of them come with the hunger suppressed, not fed them feel a death blow young man, control in your hand slam your fist on the table and make your demand take a stand fan a fire for the flame of the youth got the freedom to choose better make the right move young man, the power's in your hand slam your fist on the table and make your demand you better make the right move focus your own energy into a laser beam streaming shattered light unites to pierce between the seams and it seems in a world open peering, the children see rapid fire for your mind they say the Truth is just a lie they rub me the wrong way then say "now why're you fallin behind?" some of the children disconnect without the concept this wine is spiritual emptiness of the youth said, no respect young man, control in your hand slam your fist on the table and make your demand take a stand fan a fire for the flame of the youth got the freedom to choose better make the right move young man, the power's in your hand slam your fist on the table and make your demand you better make the right move
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7/7/2008 4:40 pm |
Your taste in music is very compelling and eclectic- you should be a youth leader my friend! The Divine Illogic... of why you don't leave your inspiring comments on my blog like you used to... unless I ask you to... still friends right? So at least say something about my Civil War song... please. -Sky God's love reaches all- growing means thinking outside the box... love one another
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7/19/2008 10:49 am |
It's not Revolutionary and it has nothing to do with the signing of the Declaration of Independence... but it is a reflection of love and patriotism and fighting for what we believe in... "One nation under God... with liberty and justice for all" Love and war... It's a bit of romantic irony that this is a love song inspired in part by the violent re-birth of our nation during the Civil War. I was inspired to write this years ago after seeing the Civil War documetary by Ken Burns. When it comes to war and the fight for freedom and independence- both men and women have given and sacrificed on and off the battle field. This song is a reflection of that- it's called... LOVE ENDURES In the summer of 1861 Betsy and Johnny had just begun their lives together They bought some land built a cabin too- their hearts were young and their love was new but it would stand the weather They believed in love so true, and in their hearts they held on too- 'cause they knew- Love endures all things- love endures all things From the sunrise in the morning to the evening they would sing- Love endures all things Well one day in town Johnny heard 'em say that the war would soon be coming this way and the time was drawing near. When he got back home to tell his bride the tears were something she could not hide but their freedom was so dear They believed in a land so new, and their hearts were brave and true and they knew- Love endures all things- love endures all things From the sunrise in the morning to the evening they would sing- Love endures all things Well the tele-graph said that she could be proud-Johnny was brave but her head she bowed for the loss of his life... And the tears that fell on the cold hard ground were heard by God as a piercing sound and He felt the pain of this young wife. She still believed in love so true and in her heart she held on too 'cause she knew- Love endures all things- Love endures all things From the sunrise in the morning to the evening she'd still sing- Love endures all things Love endures all things Love endures all things God's love reaches all- growing means thinking outside the box... love one another
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7/21/2008 12:58 am |
It's not Revolutionary and it has nothing to do with the signing of the Declaration of Independence... but it is a reflection of love and patriotism and fighting for what we believe in... "One nation under God... with liberty and justice for all" Love and war... It's a bit of romantic irony that this is a love song inspired in part by the violent re-birth of our nation during the Civil War. I was inspired to write this years ago after seeing the Civil War documetary by Ken Burns. When it comes to war and the fight for freedom and independence- both men and women have given and sacrificed on and off the battle field. This song is a reflection of that- it's called... LOVE ENDURES In the summer of 1861 Betsy and Johnny had just begun their lives together They bought some land built a cabin too- their hearts were young and their love was new but it would stand the weather They believed in love so true, and in their hearts they held on too- 'cause they knew- Love endures all things- love endures all things From the sunrise in the morning to the evening they would sing- Love endures all things Well one day in town Johnny heard 'em say that the war would soon be coming this way and the time was drawing near. When he got back home to tell his bride the tears were something she could not hide but their freedom was so dear They believed in a land so new, and their hearts were brave and true and they knew- Love endures all things- love endures all things From the sunrise in the morning to the evening they would sing- Love endures all things Well the tele-graph said that she could be proud-Johnny was brave but her head she bowed for the loss of his life... And the tears that fell on the cold hard ground were heard by God as a piercing sound and He felt the pain of this young wife. She still believed in love so true and in her heart she held on too 'cause she knew- Love endures all things- Love endures all things From the sunrise in the morning to the evening she'd still sing- Love endures all things Love endures all things Love endures all things I really like it a lot. I love all of Ken Burns docutmentaries too! Great stuff indeed. It kind of reminded me of the song Lucky Man by Emereson, Lake and Palmer. I only rarely hear the song come on, but it always makes me think when I do hear it... He had white Horses And ladies by the score All dressed in satin And waiting by the door Ooooh, what a lucky man he was Ooooh, what a lucky man he was White lace and feathers They made up his bed A gold covered mattress On which he was laid Ooooh, what a lucky man he was Ooooh, what a lucky man he was He went to fight wars For his country and his king Of his honor and his glory The people would sing Ooooh, what a lucky man he was Ooooh, what a lucky man he was A bullet had found him His blood ran as he cried No money could save him So he laid down and he died Ooooh, what a lucky man he was Ooooh, what a lucky man he was GB!
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7/25/2008 8:25 pm |
"But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth." 2 Thessalonians 2:13 There is a difference between the ELECT and the VERY ELECT and EVERYONE ELSE! The nummber of the elect in REV is given as 144,000 and the VERY ELECT is 7,000! Those who have gained the robe of salvation in REV are said to be WITHOUT NUMBER!!! Why is this so hard to read of? Not only is predestination of the totality- utterly illogical- its also unbiblical and simply ignorant. Perhaps with no little amount of hubris mixed in! Welcome to folly...it's no place to be.
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