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Greetings, As I see it, there are three points most Christians fail to see, that allows satan to deceive this world, and probably more as well. Before I point them out though, I will show you satan's plot against Christ's lineage from the beginning. Who can say that satan did not covet the "Mercy Seat"? When was this? Who sits upon the "Mercy Seat"? Who's "Mercy Seat" is it? In the "Garden", satan wholly seduced Eve. Through Eve would Christ come. This is satan's first attempt to make the lineage of Christ un-pure. Thank God for Seth. For, through Seth would the lineage continue, and not Cain, the father of the Kenites, and the one spoken about in the eighth chapter of John. Now to Noah and a bit beyond. The Hebrew word "Tamim" means, "Without Blemish" as to physical aspects, and not to moral. So Noah and his family where "Perfect" "Tamim", without blemish physically, in their "Generations", family history, as in Gen. 6:9. Note that all other flesh had become corrupted, physically vs' 11-12... How? Go back to verse four. Satan, and his, again, trying to make all mankind un-pure, to stop the lineage Christ would come through. Notice again, from verse four, there had to be another influx of nephilim after the flood, thus we see in Gen. 12:6 the nephilim spawn was already occupying what land God would give to Abraham's seed, and God's instruction for the sword of Israel to utterly destroy them after the exodus. Here is another attempt to make the lineage of Christ un-pure, by pre-occupying the land, of which wise Isaac instructed Jacob not to take a wife of, in Gen. 28:1. Satan, and his fallen ones, have always, and will always, try to corrupt any and all the descendants of Adam and Eve, as well as, any other race. That's what they do. Now to the three points most Christians fail to realize, and so as to make clearer what I have said above. Point 1) When did satan covet the "Mercy Seat"? In the first age of heaven and earth... "What?" you say. Yes, as I have explained in my conversation about "Creation" with a blogger named Noah on my blog, most people can not see the truth behind the first two verses of Genesis, that there was an age prior to our present one. This was when the "Catabol" or, satan's rebellion, happened, in the first age of heaven and earth. Point 2) Most people fail to understand the difference of the adam of Gen. 1, and the adam of Gen. 2. Separate, different, adam's. For the adam of Gen. 1, is "Mankind" i.e., the races (be fruitful, multiply, subdue and fill the "earth", not "Garden")... And God said it was GOOD... The adam of Gen. 2, is a different Hebrew word then in the first chapter. This word specifically implies a certain singular and separate man that can show "red" in the check, i.e., blush, rudy complected, and this specific race of adam would be the lineage Christ would come from. Sorry, but God made all the races Good, and chose just one race, for His peculiar people, which Christ would come. Point 3) Noah was instructed to take two of "EVERY FLESH" aboard the ark. Are not the races flesh? This is one explanation how the nephilim may have been after the flood, if it was not another influx of them, yet this is how all races made it through. Noah and his family where not the beginning of the races, they where the only eight, chapter two of Genesis, Adamic souls who had not corrupted themselves in the flesh with the nephilim. Now I am sure I will be called a racist here, as other places, but will people here call me a race traitor as I am called else where because I say God created all the races on day six, (except the race of chapter two adam as He looked back and saw He had not created yet a "adam" to till the soil, and formed him, and breathed the "ruach" into him and planted him in the "Garden"), and when He, God created them, male and female, and told them to be fruitful and multiply and subdue and fill the "earth", not "Garden" on day six, that He created them "GOOD"? Satan has always used all the races. He and his are sneaky. They would just love to either have each race at another's throat, or homogenized. Either of them are confusion, and God is not it's author. I try to tell people, that God chose one race, not to be superior to the rest, but as servants to God, that through their service to God, all peoples are blessed. Satan puffs up one with racial vanity, so as to make God's redeemable, not worthy of redemption. I see this happening in a few races at present, yet think on this, what argument is there of endless genealogies when Christ has offered salvation to all who repent of evil and call upon Him? Yet, there must be the redeemed, as stated in prophesy, who are "Tamim", without physical blemish in regards to race, as well as, "Whom shall ever believe on Christ" unto salvation. Any one, even a Kenite, can be saved, but only His own, can be redeemed. Regardless of which you are, if you have not the Son in your heart, you have not the Father, and by this fruit, all can see who is who...But be careful, cause satan and his know the bible very well, and would like nothing better then to fool the whole world, religiously, into being partakers of satan's plan of, "Can't we all (religions) just get along as one?". Don't believe me that there are separate races at the end? Look at Revelation 7. Sealed of the tribes of Israel, and, what's that in verse 9? Surely these are the races other then the one "Tamim" race Christ came through. All right, I'm ready for the attack now...  No King but CHRIST JESUS!!! |
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 6/23/2008 6:20 pm |
No attack, just think you have rather odd reasoning but to each their own interpretation as in the end all that matters is we'll all be one with Him in glory! Susan aka Red God gives the very best to those who leave the choices to Him. Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine...to Him be the glory. Eph 3:20 Find me at my screen name, blogspot and the usual ending. See ya there! Where I For Everything There is a Season Halloween Pics from Work
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6/23/2008 6:40 pm |
Nice to hear someone mention the Nephilim. Noah was indeed perfect in his generations and being a man of God, he was selected to build the ark. Satan has been conspiring to try and stop God's plan since Genesis 3:15. He knew the Messiah would be the seed of a woman and the race was on try and stop it. But of course he failed as Jesus was indeed born of a woman, saved us all and defeated Satan as prophesied from the beginning. As for the races attacking each other, whether it be verbally, physically or subconsciously, of course it's all satanic.
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6/23/2008 7:13 pm |
there is none perfect cept Christ
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6/23/2008 8:11 pm |
the racial attacks are satanic i believe to but where do you get Nephilim? i Know God chose the Israelites as his Holy people i do know that...show me further where you get all this from...im curious...i love to study theology...anyhow i do agree with reading androses to your interpetation of it...its intersesting and i need to knoew your bases of it...actual laymens terms with backed up scriture would be nice. did you notice too that churches segregate each other too on there beliefs? are we not all supposed to be believers in Christ....i mean comeon...Lutheran,Methodists,Babtists...etc...the list goes on and on....didnt the bible say somehting about not arguing over theology or something to that effect? People argue over the Trinity for petes sakes... they get so latherde up about things they forget the nitty gritty stuff of our faith like who we believe in and they end up making a church around their"interpretations" im mean really are we not supposed to be a family and at least a little more peaceful than the world out there??? how can we bring or keep the secular people in and saving the lost thru example and teaching if we are ourselves arguing over little things ....things that are not as important as grace and forgiveness...and ultimetaly our very reason for being...our faith in Jesus Christ? when i experience this thru these churches i feel im in revelations when it discusses the church ages and it makes me wonder...what age are we in now???!!! 
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6/23/2008 8:33 pm |
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. Many who can see are blind and many of the blind can see, are we looking through our natural eyes or His eyes? What was Peter told on the roof top? What did Peter learn? What apparently have many failed or chosen not to learn? And of those who are, how many are not as Peter? Interesting? Know? Yes? ? . . Continue to be faithful, deliverance is near, obedience must be seen, be an unconditional blessing as He continues to bless you. This time is short, serve Him well, serving all. Without exception. Know? Yes? ? . Meow ? .
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6/24/2008 3:16 am |
there is none perfect cept Christ
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6/24/2008 6:52 am |
Well I suppose you were waiting for "a blogger called Noah" to respond on this blog at some point, and here I am! I've no wish to attack you personally, but you will not be surprised that I disagree with your 3 points: 1. There is no "gap" between the first 2 verses of Genesis. This gap was suggested in the 19th century when secular geologists challenged the historicity of Noah's Flood and claimed they had proof the earth was much older than the 6000 years that are correctly deduced from the Bible records. Christians sadly compromised the integrity of the Word of God and performed linguistic contortions to "create" such a gap between Genesis 1v1 and 1v2. It just isn't there. 2. Genesis 1 and 2 give different perspectives on the creation of mankind. Chapter 1 gives a general description of the whole of creation week and chapter 2 gives a more detailed description (a "close up"). Jesus himself links the two chapters together in Matthew 19 v 4-5 when discussing the origin of marriage. There is no justification for claiming the 'man' of chapter 1 is different to the man first created in chapter 2. There is only one race of humans and Adam and Eve were the first. 3. Nobody really knows who the 'Nephilim' were. Much of what we think we know is pure speculation. However the inhabitants of the land of Canaan when Abraham first visited were descendants of Noah's grandson Canaan {son of Ham}. Noah himself pronounced a curse on them because of the actions of Canaan's father Ham. Read Genesis 9 for more information about this. As for the origin of the 'races', we are all descendants of Noah's three sons. Here is an extract from my posting on Terrie's {racefan4} blog about interracial marriage: The colour of a person's skin is determined by how much of a pigment called 'melanin' it contains. If the human race had stayed together then we would have seen that there is sufficient genetic variability in us to result in vastly different quantities of melanin, and therefore different colours of skin. Even today there are well documented examples of people with mid-brown colour skin having children with a range of colours of skin. There is even at least one case of TWINS where one twin is white and the other is black! So there is no problem in Noah and his wife producing descendants of varying skin colour. But the human race did not stay together. A couple of hundred years or so after the Flood, God split up the human race into language groups after the Tower of Babel rebellion. The break up of the language groups also resulted in the partition of the gene pool. Thus some groups LOST the genes for dark skin {"lots of melanin"} and became predominantly white. Other groups LOST the genes for light skin {"small quantity of melanin"} and became predominantly black. Certain climates gave advantages to different colours of skin so those with the 'wrong' colour became less numerous in certain areas. Revelation 7 refers to "every nation, tribe, people and language" which is easily understood in the context of Jesus' command to "make disciples of all nations". Jesus is our redeemer or, as the Old Testament puts it, "kinsman redeemer". So he must be related to all of us or there would be some of us who could not be saved. Peter  "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth" 2 Timothy 2 v 15
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6/24/2008 7:42 am |
No attack, just think you have rather odd reasoning but to each their own interpretation as in the end all that matters is we'll all be one with Him in glory! Yes! I do seem to have a different view then most, and so did Another before me, or at least that's what the elders of that time believed. And in the beginning, not the end, the beginning of eternity which starts the third and final age, all that attain to eternity, will have neither different gender, or color, as we are Graced by God to give God eternal praise. No King but CHRIST JESUS!!!
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6/24/2008 7:51 am |
Nice to hear someone mention the Nephilim. Noah was indeed perfect in his generations and being a man of God, he was selected to build the ark. Satan has been conspiring to try and stop God's plan since Genesis 3:15. He knew the Messiah would be the seed of a woman and the race was on try and stop it. But of course he failed as Jesus was indeed born of a woman, saved us all and defeated Satan as prophesied from the beginning. As for the races attacking each other, whether it be verbally, physically or subconsciously, of course it's all satanic. I have seen some of your posts, and have even had you comment on one of mine before, and I would like to say, I believe, you NJBeliever, have come to learn some of the Truths, that many have not seen yet. Soon, when all are changed, all will see, not "nepesh" soul brothers, but "Ruach" Spirit brothers. (no gender implied) No King but CHRIST JESUS!!!
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6/24/2008 7:55 am |
there is none perfect cept Christ Correct, in the aspect of morality, but not to lineage. There has never been a perfect "Adam", both racially and morally, except Christ Jesus. No King but CHRIST JESUS!!!
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6/24/2008 8:14 am |
the racial attacks are satanic i believe to but where do you get Nephilim? i Know God chose the Israelites as his Holy people i do know that...show me further where you get all this from...im curious...i love to study theology...anyhow i do agree with reading androses to your interpetation of it...its intersesting and i need to knoew your bases of it...actual laymens terms with backed up scriture would be nice. did you notice too that churches segregate each other too on there beliefs? are we not all supposed to be believers in Christ....i mean comeon...Lutheran,Methodists,Babtists...etc...the list goes on and on....didnt the bible say somehting about not arguing over theology or something to that effect? People argue over the Trinity for petes sakes... they get so latherde up about things they forget the nitty gritty stuff of our faith like who we believe in and they end up making a church around their"interpretations" im mean really are we not supposed to be a family and at least a little more peaceful than the world out there??? how can we bring or keep the secular people in and saving the lost thru example and teaching if we are ourselves arguing over little things ....things that are not as important as grace and forgiveness...and ultimetaly our very reason for being...our faith in Jesus Christ? when i experience this thru these churches i feel im in revelations when it discusses the church ages and it makes me wonder...what age are we in now???!!! Please read my following blog titles; "Noah and creation issues", and "Being white, in a white world", then, if you need me to answer more, I will gladly respond. Yes, I have noticed the many denominations, and am my self amazed(not really for it was foretold in prophesy) at how the evil one has divided the Christians, and other religions as well (not that they are true religions, but chaos is chaos, and satan loves to give as many options he can to stray from the narrow path). We are presently in the second age of the heavens and earth. The age when all of us who have repented and attain eternal life, is the next, and final age of all time, and was created at the beginning. Like I said, please read what I posted already, and if you need some more clarification on any point, it will be easier for us to reason, once you acquire some basis. No King but CHRIST JESUS!!!
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6/24/2008 8:21 am |
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. Many who can see are blind and many of the blind can see, are we looking through our natural eyes or His eyes? What was Peter told on the roof top? What did Peter learn? What apparently have many failed or chosen not to learn? And of those who are, how many are not as Peter? Interesting? Know? Yes? ? . . Continue to be faithful, deliverance is near, obedience must be seen, be an unconditional blessing as He continues to bless you. This time is short, serve Him well, serving all. Without exception. Know? Yes? ? . Meow ? . Don't forget about the ears.....Yes, many never realize that God showed Peter that no man (no gender implied), of any race, should be considered, common, or, unclean. God made all the races, and He made them GOOD. Sad that people believe this about eating food.... Your right, people can see it with their eyes, but still not see.... No King but CHRIST JESUS!!!
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6/24/2008 8:23 am |
Amen. And a double Amen Amen, to the infinite Power... No King but CHRIST JESUS!!!
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6/24/2008 9:12 am |
Greetings Noah, What can I say that I have not said before? We do not agree. Point 1) We covered this on the other thread. Point 2) When you check the english words "adam" in chapter 1 and 2 of Genesis in the original Hebrew, you will see the difference. One is "eth adam" the other is "eth Ha-Adham". Remember not to change one jot or dot of the Word. Point 3) Seems that some know of the nephilim...Oh Noah, I know about the nakedness Ham uncovered which was his fathers nakedness, but why is it you can not see the reason Adam and Eve of the "Garden" sewed fig leaves together to hide their nakedness? Check with science, and see if it is possible for one woman, to birth two separate children, from two separate fathers...You will find it is rare, but totally possible. And this covers what you say below your point 3 response. Now think about this. What did God say to Rebekah in Genesis 25:23? Now, once again, I will tell you, when you put a formula together, to support your theory, you must account for all variables. Your theory about the races is based on melanin. What about bone structure? What about cranium structure? what about the socket of the eye? What about the position of the eye lid? And what about the fact that each race, has a different amount of nerve endings per square inch of skin? Are you saying, all of a sudden, all these different aspects of the separate races, was some how genetically transferred amongst eight people? Two of which are parents of three? Too many variables for your theory....You need to be careful here, for if you say God did not create all the races separate, and GOOD, but that some how all the races came from one race, you tread close to saying all evolved, and that is almost like saying, why not take it one further, and say the first man then evolved from? Ameba's? Yes, Christ Jesus is the Kinsman Redeemer, as well as, the Saviour Who affords salvation to all those who repent and believe on Him. This is another point many do not see. That there is a difference between "redemption" and "salvation". No King but CHRIST JESUS!!!
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6/24/2008 11:15 am |
Hi JustChristian1, Yes it is clear we do not agree, so I will not go on at length, just a quick response on one or two things then I will leave it at that. God told Rebekah that 2 nations were in her womb. Jacob and Esau certainly fathered two nations, and that is a perfectly adequate interpretation of God's words. The other features you mention will also have simple explanations. Eye shape, for example, is mainly due to greater or lesser amounts of fatty tissue around the eye. I do not have ready answers to the other features mentioned but am willing to research them if necessary. The process of change through generations is brought about by 'natural selection'. Informed creationists do not deny the reality of natural selection, but we do deny that it can be the cause of "microbes to man" evolution. It can, however, operate with the vast genetic variability that God created within mankind {and was largely still there at Noah's generation} to produce all the races with all the variables mentioned and more. I do not plan to add any further comments on this blog as I do not wish to cause bad feeling. However I will be watching this post as I am very interested to see what other matters you and the other bloggers will raise. All the best. Peter  "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth" 2 Timothy 2 v 15
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6/24/2008 12:28 pm |
Greetings Noah, You know, I truly have respect for you, to be civil while yet opposed. Thank you. Here is a quote from your above post: "It can, however, operate with the vast genetic variability that God created within mankind {and was largely still there at Noah's generation} to produce all the races with all the variables mentioned and more." Not so Noah, for in your formula, you start with one adam, and one eve, if I understand you correctly that you believe adam and eve were the first two. All the variables would have to already be in adam and eve. How is it again that when Cain went to the land of wandering, he took a wife? That's right, if I remember correctly, is it you that explains this away by saying it was a sister? If Cain and Righteous Abel came to offer before God at the same age, when Cain slew Abel, how old would his sister be? Cause Cain was sent a packing right after... Oh yes, what about Cain's statement to God, that all those who find me will seek to kill me? Who were they that would do this? All Cain's younger brothers and sisters? They, if they were, were not born yet. Not even Seth was born yet. And you know what Noah? I just remembered it was not you that said Cain's sister, so laugh with me, and see that I'm not perfect too, and for sake of argument, pretend this would of been your answer, and this would have been my response. Sorry, now back to the formula. Once again, you want to have all races come from one (Noah), and say, all genes needed were acquired by that time from all the different races up to that time, which came from ONE (adam), again. Not possible. Adam and Eve would produce what Adam and Eve were. Two chickens make another chicken. Two chickens do not make another duck, nor eagle, nor sparrow. Do not say two chickens make chickens of different shapes and colors and sizes, etc. We are not comparing hair and eyes and melanin amongst chickens that are birds. All birds are birds, yet all birds are not the same. As there are different birds, there are different humans. Are you saying when God created the first birds, these two birds, laid different eggs? God created all the birds, as well as all the humans.. No King but CHRIST JESUS!!!
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6/24/2008 1:28 pm |
Greetings Noah, You know, I truly have respect for you, to be civil while yet opposed. Thank you. Here is a quote from your above post: "It can, however, operate with the vast genetic variability that God created within mankind {and was largely still there at Noah's generation} to produce all the races with all the variables mentioned and more." Not so Noah, for in your formula, you start with one adam, and one eve, if I understand you correctly that you believe adam and eve were the first two. All the variables would have to already be in adam and eve. How is it again that when Cain went to the land of wandering, he took a wife? That's right, if I remember correctly, is it you that explains this away by saying it was a sister? If Cain and Righteous Abel came to offer before God at the same age, when Cain slew Abel, how old would his sister be? Cause Cain was sent a packing right after... Oh yes, what about Cain's statement to God, that all those who find me will seek to kill me? Who were they that would do this? All Cain's younger brothers and sisters? They, if they were, were not born yet. Not even Seth was born yet. And you know what Noah? I just remembered it was not you that said Cain's sister, so laugh with me, and see that I'm not perfect too, and for sake of argument, pretend this would of been your answer, and this would have been my response. Sorry, now back to the formula. Once again, you want to have all races come from one (Noah), and say, all genes needed were acquired by that time from all the different races up to that time, which came from ONE (adam), again. Not possible. Adam and Eve would produce what Adam and Eve were. Two chickens make another chicken. Two chickens do not make another duck, nor eagle, nor sparrow. Do not say two chickens make chickens of different shapes and colors and sizes, etc. We are not comparing hair and eyes and melanin amongst chickens that are birds. All birds are birds, yet all birds are not the same. As there are different birds, there are different humans. Are you saying when God created the first birds, these two birds, laid different eggs? God created all the birds, as well as all the humans..  Seth was born to replace Abel, but there is nothing in the words of Genesis 4-5 that insists he was the third-born and there were no others around when Cain killed Abel. I believe the Jewish tradition is that altogether Adam and Eve had 40+ children. As we all know family feuds are the worst kind of feud and it is perfectly reasonable to suggest that it was those siblings who favoured Abel who would be after Cain's blood! In Genesis 1 we read that plants, trees, sea creatures, birds, livestock, wild animals and creeping things ALL have various kinds, but that phrase is never used of man who is created uniquely in God's image. I have read that, for any married couple, if they had enough time, they would be able to produce 10^80 children without any two being the same! 10^80 is a 1 followed by 80 zeroes, and is about the same number as there are atoms in the universe! Since today the gene pool is seriously depleted compared to Adam and Eve I see no reason not to believe that they (and later Noah and his three sons) were perfectly capable of producing the wide range of humanity that we now see without any assistance from other supposed 'kinds' of humans. Yes it is good that we can keep this civil although we have very different views on these things. I thank you for your respect and confirm that I too have the same respect for you. It is to your credit that you will accept opposing viewpoints on your blog as I know not all will do this. Peter "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth" 2 Timothy 2 v 15
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6/24/2008 6:52 pm |
Greetings again Noah, So, basically, I have already answered you in regards to the sister of Cain issue then? I truly remember now when I had this conversation before it was not you I discussed Cain's sister with, although you may believe the same, and posted on her, who we know not her name, and I believe not to be so. So do you believe in Lilith too, as the traditions teach? Very interesting Noah, that you use science and the "traditions of the elders" to answer what many can not see in the bible. I am sure Christ Jesus spoke about the elders traditions and their silliness. It just amazes me that science knows exactly how many atoms there is in the universe, as you say, yet they know not what electricity is, as in regards to being, animal, vegetable, or mineral. I seem to recall numerous biblical references' stating, the children of Israel alone, can not be counted, for they will be as numerous as the sands of the sea, and the stars in the sky. What does the bible say would happen if it where possible to count their number? The stars and sand that is.. Do you think there are more grains of sand in the sea then atoms in the universe? And as far as the traditions of the elders, which is "Talmud-ism", and the "Life's Blood" of Judaism as the jewish elders would say, I have read of, and can speak of many vile traditions which it contains, and Christ spoke against repeatedly. No King but CHRIST JESUS!!!
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6/25/2008 1:50 pm |
Greetings again Noah, So, basically, I have already answered you in regards to the sister of Cain issue then? I truly remember now when I had this conversation before it was not you I discussed Cain's sister with, although you may believe the same, and posted on her, who we know not her name, and I believe not to be so. So do you believe in Lilith too, as the traditions teach? Very interesting Noah, that you use science and the "traditions of the elders" to answer what many can not see in the bible. I am sure Christ Jesus spoke about the elders traditions and their silliness. It just amazes me that science knows exactly how many atoms there is in the universe, as you say, yet they know not what electricity is, as in regards to being, animal, vegetable, or mineral. I seem to recall numerous biblical references' stating, the children of Israel alone, can not be counted, for they will be as numerous as the sands of the sea, and the stars in the sky. What does the bible say would happen if it where possible to count their number? The stars and sand that is.. Do you think there are more grains of sand in the sea then atoms in the universe? And as far as the traditions of the elders, which is "Talmud-ism", and the "Life's Blood" of Judaism as the jewish elders would say, I have read of, and can speak of many vile traditions which it contains, and Christ spoke against repeatedly. As for Lilith, I assume you refer to the legend of Lilith being Adam's first wife. She is not mentioned in the Bible, and I cannot believe this for the simple reason that Eve is described as "mother of all living" {apart from Adam obviously}. Cain's wife IS mentioned in the Bible, although you are correct we do not know her name. The question at issue is where did she come from? I have expressed my opinion that she was Cain's sister {remember that Sarah was Abraham's half sister} and I am aware that you take a different view. The number of atoms, grains and stars are all huge numbers that I cannot envisage in real terms. However, since each grain of sand and each star are made up of large numbers of atoms, the number of atoms MUST be the biggest number of the three! {as a mathematician I can tell you that all three numbers are technically regarded as 'uncountably infinite'} Whether the number I have given you is exactly correct or not is not important in this discussion, I simply used it as an indication of the huge number of possible permutations in the human genome. My guide in all questions is what the Bible says. If another source states something that does not contradict the Bible, it can be considered on its merits, but if it contradicts the Bible then in my view it is automatically wrong. Peter "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth" 2 Timothy 2 v 15
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6/26/2008 8:30 am |
Greetings Noah, Interesting. On one hand, you state your case using works which you claim do not contradict the bible, and on the other say, any work which contradicts the bible is automatically wrong. Please, just look up some of the traditions from the "Talmud" and see they contradict the bible, or, would you like me to show you some of them? Also, if you open this can of worms, that any writing in regards to biblical history, which does not contradict the bible, yet is not contained in the bible, may be beneficial, you will allow me to quote numerous ancient writings I have thoroughly read, which would make it easy to show what I speak about, but since these books are feared, for what they contain, I seldom speak of them, but limit myself to what is written in the bible, which when one digs deep enough into the Word, they can find the Truth without additional support. You really don't want me to start quoting from either the first or second books of, "Adam and Eve", or the "Secret book of Enoch".. Just so you know, it does not say 40+ children in Flavius Josephus' work, "The Antiquities of the Jews" volume 1, Chapter 2, paragraph 1. Nor does it say Cain took one of his sisters for a wife, but that he took his wife. But if I quote from them other books I mentioned, which tells where Cain got his wife, you won't like it.. I am not sure why you mention Abraham and Sarah being half siblings (same father, different mothers), yet remember, the law of the land at that time, was the "Code of Khammurabi", for Abraham nor his descendent's had not been given the Law of God yet. I have found no law against sibling marriage in Khammurabi's code, and the "Law" at Sinai was not given yet. One can find a lot of supportive, non contradiction-al information if they wish from "Assyrian Tablets". Sadly, we are straying from the original topic, and as to get back at it, I would ask, are you saying whom ever the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hitties, Perizzites, Rephaims, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites, and Jebusutes are, some how, they are ALL descendants of Noah thru Ham thru Canaan? I would just ask you to study who fathered two of these. Who's daddies are the Kenites, and the Rephaims? But of course, it seems your bible does not mention anything about giants in Gen. 6:4 (and other places), nor can you see Cain was the product of Eve and satan, and the father of the Kenites. How did Cain's seed make it through the flood? Gen. 3:15.. Does your bible say, as mine, that God Himself put strife between the seed of satan, and the seed of Eve? Or do you have some other work that explains this away? No King but CHRIST JESUS!!!
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6/26/2008 12:13 pm |
Hello again, I think this time it truly is time for me to bow out of this discussion. I can see that you are a believer in the "Serpent Seed" doctrine which I have just done a little research on in response to your last post. I think it is unlikely that we will reach agreement on this, just as on the previous occasion. There are many issues to debate which would take huge amounts of space and time to address. I think I will just leave it there. Very best wishes, Peter "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth" 2 Timothy 2 v 15
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6/27/2008 4:40 am |
Greetings Noah, As I awoke this morning, and have done my morning routine, and made it now to my computer, and came here to B.C., and viewed my blog, and noticed you had commented, and prior to viewing, said to my self, " Ah, Noah has commented, I think I will have to tell him we just will not agree on this subject as well, and put our discussion to end." that I see, you as well, have come to the same assessment. When I read your current post, I laughed with pleasure, for though we do not agree, we do understand there is no sense beating a dead horse.. Thank you once again Noah, for your civility, in this present world where the heathen rage, it is commendable. No King but CHRIST JESUS!!!
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