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6/16/2008 3:31 am |
a third option is needed, which is the Biblical option. 3. People in Hell will suffer till they are BURNED UP and NOT ever go to Heaven. Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.
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6/16/2008 4:29 am |
a third option is needed, which is the Biblical option. 3. People in Hell will suffer till they are BURNED UP and NOT ever go to Heaven. The Poll is updated. You may now vote the way you wish.
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6/16/2008 4:31 am |
For the record, I believe the damned shall continue to be on fire, I don't believe they will suffer until there "all burned up" I believe they will suffer from Hell Fire indefinitely.
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6/16/2008 9:41 am |
If they only suffer until they are "burned up"- there is but a small issue to fix... what if hell is more than just "fire"... and "burning up" is the least of your worries? In fact- what if burning up (completely ) would be a blessing? God going to bless you in hell then? What a JOKE that idea is on the FEW who made it to life. Why is it even an issue if you are "following Christ" as He said to do? Let's examine a command that does away with all possibility of ever knowing exactly what HELL IS... "What is that to THEE- FOLLOW THOU ME." Though said to specific person about another specific person and dealing with a separate issue- the command is a blanket statement for who we are to follow unerringly. Are ANY of us following Jesus- or are we sinners who are indeed fooling ourselves about or "heavenly destination"... might wish to think about reality as taught specifically by Jesus. Perfection... Possible? Yup... IF ya wanna TRY.
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6/16/2008 10:33 am |
I picked Door #1, obviously. I honest to goodness can't believe this question actually needs to be asked. Have so few people read and understood "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" by Jonathan Edwards? That should be required reading for anyone who wants to discuss the issue intelligenty. Save a life, please adopt your next pet from a shelter, pound or rescue. "Iron Chef Bobby Flay, willing to sacrifice life and limb all in the name of flavour!". Alton Brown "Well you black out lane-lines one and three, and a four-lane highway becomes a two-lane comfort cruise". Kramer, "The Pothole" "If life gives you lemons, save the receipt". Stephen Colbert
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6/16/2008 3:47 pm |
They will be completely and absolutely destroyed. Malachi 4:1-4 says that "all who do wickedly will be stubble and the day that is coming shall burn them up.,,,,That will leave them neither root nor branch. ,,, You shall trample the wicked. They shall be ashes under your feet." The terms, eternal fire, eternal damnation, eternal confusion, are hyperbolic. They are used to signify a complete and absolute anihilation of all wickedness. An example we can see in the way one of those terms is used is in Jude 7, "as Sodom and Gomorrah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,are set forth as an example, suffering the ( punishment) vengeance of eternal fire." At this very moment, we do not see that part of land in the middle east still burning, or do we? We know that God destroyed those cities and the ones around them, and according to this verse, their punishment was so swift and so complete that up to this date, no trace has really been found to exactly place those cities on the map. Such will be the punishment for the wicked, swift and complete. Remember, they will be like stubble, that when set afire it burns rapidly and is completely consumed. And the only thing left are ashes. Let us remember also one characteristic about God, that, it is not in His nature to allow anyone to suffer alive for an eternity. Not even the evil. God will destroy evil men, but will not allow such suffering that only occurs in the human mind.
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6/16/2008 5:44 pm |
Rev. 20:10-15 10. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 11. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. ALSO ........ Joh 5:29 And shall come forth;they that have done good,unto the resurrection of life;and they that have done evil,unto the resurrection of damnation. JESUS SAID THIS AND THERE IS NO LIE IN HIM
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6/16/2008 8:24 pm |
They will be completely and absolutely destroyed. Malachi 4:1-4 says that "all who do wickedly will be stubble and the day that is coming shall burn them up.,,,,That will leave them neither root nor branch. ,,, You shall trample the wicked. They shall be ashes under your feet." The terms, eternal fire, eternal damnation, eternal confusion, are hyperbolic. They are used to signify a complete and absolute anihilation of all wickedness. An example we can see in the way one of those terms is used is in Jude 7, "as Sodom and Gomorrah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,are set forth as an example, suffering the ( punishment) vengeance of eternal fire." At this very moment, we do not see that part of land in the middle east still burning, or do we? We know that God destroyed those cities and the ones around them, and according to this verse, their punishment was so swift and so complete that up to this date, no trace has really been found to exactly place those cities on the map. Such will be the punishment for the wicked, swift and complete. Remember, they will be like stubble, that when set afire it burns rapidly and is completely consumed. And the only thing left are ashes. Let us remember also one characteristic about God, that, it is not in His nature to allow anyone to suffer alive for an eternity. Not even the evil. God will destroy evil men, but will not allow such suffering that only occurs in the human mind.  The entire religion says sinners die in sin- but go to heaven anyway since Jesus died so they didn't have to follow God's Laws anymore. Sooooooooooooooooo... the OT describes a lot of PHYSICAL DEATH and destruction at the hands of an angry God- when once the body is destroyed- it is indeed gone and not coming back. Yet the OT is only part of the story- since it also speaks of spiritual punishments, of both the living and the dead. The NT ALSO repeats the direct teachings of PHYSICAL punishment of ALLLLLLLL sinners right along with spiritual DEATH for sin. What for? Believing we don't have to follow God's laws. Simple isn't it? Disobey- you break that "new covenant" just as in the OT. How then - if sinners constantly break the new covenant- they believe God is not hunting them down- providing lots of great mental pains- physical pains- and doing a lot of killing BUT WE THINK HE'S NOT... We lie about God all the time. The Bible says liars will never enter heaven... yet we never even STOP TO THINK-------------- our own religion teaches us how BEST TO LIE ABOUT GOD. A lie is a lie is a lie... we will never ever repent for sins we can not recognize from inside them. God is pretty good isn't He? Told us all whom to follow and listen to... If we didn't/don't- He's out there waiting to do us damages we can't even imagine yet. Paul warned us... He also lied through His teeth to us. Just as God wanted- if we were too stupid to stick only with His Son. Don't believe me... God is a sinners worst nightmare- not Satan. The entire BIBLE tells you that. God's day of wrath... Not "Satan's day of fun hurting people"... Eternity is a long time to us- but it's just a single BLINK OF GOD'S EYE. Remember?Perfection... Possible? Yup... IF ya wanna TRY.
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6/16/2008 9:49 pm |
I voted #1  Wish you Peace, Joy and Love!
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6/16/2008 11:26 pm |
Hidden Treasure, where in the Bible "the Biblical Option" do you find "burned up"?
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6/17/2008 2:44 pm |
Hidden Treasure, where in the Bible "the Biblical Option" do you find "burned up"?
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6/17/2008 6:46 pm |
You are right, I haven't found any passage that says "burned up" for the wicked and ungodly. However, in Malachi 4 : 1, you will find, "And the day that is coming shall burn them up." Two different places- two different things. "Fear God". Simply STOP SINNING. Won't need to worry about hell. Perfection... Possible? Yup... IF ya wanna TRY.
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7/21/2008 7:41 pm |
Hey Cathoholic, you sure have opened a can of worms. right up your alley. be blessed my friend. Hope you are enjoying your summer and relaxing.. but as I see here you are in the thick of it. peace, Lisa well. i guess generally we need to be out serving more.. in these days
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 8/28/2008 12:16 am |
I believe the word "Hell" is misleading, with so many viewpoints, and possible borrowing from pagan sources. I do believe the Bible refers to: Hades. Gehenna. Tartarus/Tartaroo. Abraham's Bosom. The "Lake of Fire" (or whatever ). Heaven. The Kingdom of Heaven. The Kingdom of God/elohim. Earth, LOL. And, The worlds (plural ). Regarding condemnation, and "eternal judgment", I believe that Scripture indicates there will be judgment -- even here on Earth, and later -- and that resulting suffering that will seem like "forever" to those suffering, but that the suffering itself will not be eternal. I believe a doctrine of eternal suffering to be unconscionable, and against the very nature of a pure and perfect God; and that all passages and words that I have heard or read that were being used as texts to support such a doctrine have a more reasonable interpretation than this. On the other hand, I do not believe in a "universal" salvation, per se, for everyone, that is; though I would believe that such decisions may be up to a pure and perfect God Who may be more merciful than some people. There is more, and it can get quite lengthy or involved. But this is enough for now. I hope all reading this will fully consider this belief, and not just rail against it for the doctrine of eternal suffering. Keep in mind that most Bibles are translated by people with biases (or expected translations ) toward certain doctrines, including this one. © Feel free to come see my Blog. And Enjoy! If you want to meet me or just get to know me. Hallelu-Yah! Praise Yah! wpx1 ©
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8/28/2008 12:25 am |
FOREVER. Btw, the term forever -- again, a translation -- in the original is used in various places to mean a time period that is NOT eternal. Some uses of it refer to periods of time even during this life. In other words, "forever" or "eternally" may be, and probably often are, mistranslations based on doctrinal assumptions. This is what I believe. © Feel free to come see my Blog. And Enjoy! If you want to meet me or just get to know me. Hallelu-Yah! Praise Yah! wpx1 ©
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8/28/2008 12:26 am |
They will be completely and absolutely destroyed. Malachi 4:1-4 says that "all who do wickedly will be stubble and the day that is coming shall burn them up.,,,,That will leave them neither root nor branch. ,,, You shall trample the wicked. They shall be ashes under your feet." The terms, eternal fire, eternal damnation, eternal confusion, are hyperbolic. They are used to signify a complete and absolute anihilation of all wickedness. An example we can see in the way one of those terms is used is in Jude 7, "as Sodom and Gomorrah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,are set forth as an example, suffering the ( punishment) vengeance of eternal fire." At this very moment, we do not see that part of land in the middle east still burning, or do we? We know that God destroyed those cities and the ones around them, and according to this verse, their punishment was so swift and so complete that up to this date, no trace has really been found to exactly place those cities on the map. Such will be the punishment for the wicked, swift and complete. Remember, they will be like stubble, that when set afire it burns rapidly and is completely consumed. And the only thing left are ashes. Let us remember also one characteristic about God, that, it is not in His nature to allow anyone to suffer alive for an eternity. Not even the evil. God will destroy evil men, but will not allow such suffering that only occurs in the human mind. Some GREAT thoughts here!!! © Feel free to come see my Blog. And Enjoy! If you want to meet me or just get to know me. Hallelu-Yah! Praise Yah! wpx1 ©
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