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Christians and alcoholic beverages... "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - part of Jim Elliot's October 28, 1949 journal entry One life will soon be passed, only what's done for Christ will last! |
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It says in 1 Corithians...........drunkerds will not inherit the Kingdom. Sorry, don't quote me, I know I didn't write it in full abd my Bible is downstairs, don't feel like going to get it. However, we did debate this in great depth, in one of my Bible Study class. I do not drink. Never did really but now for allergy reasons, I just don't. I've always been the "designated driver". I'm fine with that. It just was no fun to take care of kids not feeling well. So, no biggie for me. I have other addictions, so I am clearly not perfect. Potatoe Chips - now there is a 12 step program I can belong to. I am doing much better now and ONLY when I am absolutely desperate. (giggles) Then there is Coffee, but I am doing much better and only getting 1/2 decaf and then with Iced Coffee I get total Decaf because I drink so much of that. Also, I love Ice Cream, but that's under control now. Every once in a while will I give in to Coffee or Vanilla Haagan Daz. Hey, nothing but the best on my very rare indulgence. Ummmmmm, and salt, I actually don't feel well and crave it, if I don't get enough. But Jesus did turn water into wine. And wine does represent the Blood of Christ in some cases. So, hmmmmmmmmmm just don't know. I grew up for part of the time in a dry house. My WILD in-laws kind of broke that BIG TIME when I had the rehearsal dinner at my house and then went wild at my wedding. Oh mercy me, the shock of those wild ones on my side of the family. It was funny to watch their faces!!!! After that, everyone kind of relaxed about it and my parents have been known to relax with age and have some beer or wine. My Dad loves his "Near Beer" - HA!!! But my Mom's been known to do some shots of Yager Meister (don't know how to spell that). GO MOM! She's 77 and you'd never know it. I hope I have 1/2 her energy at her age and she had 7 kids too!!! Can we possible say that they don't make them like they used to about people too???? Stay Blessed Jim, Ginny * Sin is sin. Careful what comes across your lips & out your finger tips!!! * We are all the Body of Christ. Let's treat each other as such, with the same respect we give to HIM!! * Relationship advice: DO NOT make someone a PRIORITY, when they ONLY make you an OPTION!! * A woman's heart should be so lost in God, that a man has to seek HIM in order to find her!!
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p.s. - not to mention the wasted calories. Save it for dessert!!! (or chips - LO * Sin is sin. Careful what comes across your lips & out your finger tips!!! * We are all the Body of Christ. Let's treat each other as such, with the same respect we give to HIM!! * Relationship advice: DO NOT make someone a PRIORITY, when they ONLY make you an OPTION!! * A woman's heart should be so lost in God, that a man has to seek HIM in order to find her!!
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Wine can be taken for health reasons. 1 Timothy 5:23 Paul said to Timothy, " Stop drinking only water, and use a LITTLE wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses." (NIV). JUST DON'T GET DRUNK........... " We are fearfully and wonderfully made." Psalm 139:14a
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10/22/2007 8:26 am |
I have to "Request" for the opportunity to comment on your blog post! I will give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume it is a BC Glitch. Good hing that I know CODE!  203(This helps)
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10/22/2007 9:08 am |
I know somewhere in the bible it says do not put things in your temple (that being your body) that will harm you dont know where its at sorry. But i have never been a drinker but have had a few hang overs in my life time. I knew it was wrong to drink but when u go through trials and tribulations here on earth sometimes u feel like all hell is going burst loose. I have asked for gods forgiveness if i have ever done anything a christian isnt supose to do. keep your light shining brightly 4 jesus !!!  Romans 10:13 For who so ever shall call upon the name of the lord shall be saved
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10/22/2007 10:17 am |
Drink responsibly is my argument. The Bible warns of drunkenness nothing more nothing less. I battled with this question as a young christian for a long time. The more I searched the Bible the more I wondered where we had got the misconceived mentality that alcoholic drinks were sinful in and of themselves. It's the same debate I have in my head with smoking ( busykydad - wonder how you're doing with your cessation program  ) Anyhow I don't smoke and I'm aware of the negative effects that tobacco has on the body. My thinking is that this is the approach the church should be adopting in addressing such issues that the Bible is silent about instead of condemning those involved to everlasting fire
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Drinking in moderation, for instance no more than 1 or 2 glasses of wine, is actually beneficial to our bodies as the bible tells us, see levs_514's quote above. However drinking in excess to block out life, our issues and problems, the things that we ought to be taking to God, is not only harmful to our spiritual well-being but also our mental and physical well-being. We will indeed reap the consequences. Hopefully, most people will wise up before its too late to do any permanent damage to their overall health... If the bible tells us its okay to take wine in moderation to benefit us, why would we try to mislead non-believers by indicating that if we drink so sensibly that God will be displeased? Am I misunderstanding the question?
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Other: Prejudices... It says, Do not drink yourself drunk... not to just drink water all day along! When one would experience to override one's own limits and starting talking out of the blue... yeah... I think that person was indeed biting more than he can chew! Wasn't it all about being in control?? BB
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LOL, Jim! Are you trying to say that alcoholics can get drunk, or they can't?? (or better, are they always drunk or aren't they?) BB
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BB, I don't guess I'm saying anything, just rambling and trying to engage in conversations...what's for dinner tonight? What did you make?
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Truddie - I haven't condemned anybody for drinking...never have, never will. I was just engaging conversation based upon an article I read in a religious newspaper...gonna comment about the article in a later post. My smoking cessation is going well. I admit, I have smoked a couple times since I quit, but I have quit... * Sin is sin. Careful what comes across your lips & out your finger tips!!! * We are all the Body of Christ. Let's treat each other as such, with the same respect we give to HIM!! * Relationship advice: DO NOT make someone a PRIORITY, when they ONLY make you an OPTION!! * A woman's heart should be so lost in God, that a man has to seek HIM in order to find her!!
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10/23/2007 2:56 am |
Truddie - I haven't condemned anybody for drinking...never have, never will. I was just engaging conversation based upon an article I read in a religious newspaper...gonna comment about the article in a later post. My smoking cessation is going well. I admit, I have smoked a couple times since I quit, but I have quit...  . apologies if that's the way it sounded. Meant the body of Christ in general me included  . Can't wait to read your answer 
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Precious, I don't know where the notion that I incidated we should try to mislead non-believers comes from...can you clarify? If the bible tells us its okay to take wine in moderation to benefit us, why would we try to mislead non-believers by indicating that if we drink so sensibly that God will be displeased? Am I misunderstanding the question? This was basically in relation to the option in your original question which was 'It's ok to drink, but it can be a stumbling block for a non-believer to see a believer drinking' Was that option subtly suggesting that we ought not to drink at all so as not to provide a stumbling block for nonbelievers? Is that clearer?
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well, I cooked a frozen Uno's Chicago style deep dish pizza, some mozzarella sticks and spinach artichoke dip...Didn't get home from work and basketball practices, etc. until 8:00 - it was one of those quick and easy nights. Are you gonna share the bolognaise recipe? Don't tell me you have it cause I won't believe it!  Just kiddin'... BB
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I believe that it is just pure "legalism" from believers who say that we should not drink any alcohol, and they use the scripture that says drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God. This is why the scriptures also say the letter kills, but the Spirit (or spiritual exponding) gives life. We are not to drink to get drunk obviously. Having one drink or two, depending on the person, if they can handle 2 without clouding their mind, is fine. What I think is so grieving, is when believers who are "legalistic", are in sin, meaning sin, like backbiting, or coveting, etc when it is also these sins that will not permit believers to enter into the kingdom, but these sins, never seem to be brought up. We shall know them by their FRUIT, no matter what they profess... 
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My goodness, well said Siciliangirl...that girl has a way with words! BusKyDad I hear ya regarding your poll...Hope you get to your desired goal...God bless you.
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10/23/2007 2:02 pm |
I have seen what it does to the person, who is hooked on it. Not to mention their families. It is a bad thing to be addicted to. I don't think it is bad to have a drink or two now and again. I believe the Bible says not to let yourself be drunk. This is because, I believe, that the mind becomes loose and it is harder to discern. Some may look at me as a Christian and say, well she's drunk off her butt, guess that is what Christians are like. That is why I don't take it too far, if I do have a drink. I have had the same 6 pack, now down to 2, in my fridge for at least 6 months. I know Christians who absolutely will not drink, except maybe communion. I know others who are secure enough to have a social drink occasionally. I guess to each his own.
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10/23/2007 3:32 pm |
If He turned the water into wine for a wedding celebration, I guess it was ok with Him, moderation being the key, the word also says 'take a little wine for your stomach'..key word being LITTLE...
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10/23/2007 3:34 pm |
Jean, are you seated? Your response is very close to what mine would be. I can make a good argument/discussion Biblically based to support drinking or not drinking...thus my inquiry. I really hoped to engage in some discussion on this...
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10/23/2007 3:42 pm |
I used to have a problem with alcohol in that I would binge drink, party til you drop etc..I used to be terrified of it after I became a christian, did not want to go back down that road!! BUT He set me free, now I will have a red Lambrusco maybe at xmas, but tip the rest of the bottle down the sink, a woman psychologist who was part of diagnosing my son, bought me a bottle of expensive Muscat Liquer, she said I didnt trust my self, that's why I tipped it down the sink...What she didnt realise is this, I tipped it down the sink, because I COULD, it has no hold on me!! She didnt get it!!
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10/23/2007 11:25 pm |
This is for discussion - I'm not agruing! Did Jesus turn the water into wine as we call it wine? The governor of the feast asked the bridegroom why he saved the "new" wine for last - the tradition was to serve the "old" wine last. Was the difference fremented and non-fermented??? Emphasis - I'm asking...
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10/24/2007 4:49 pm |
soda pop in our culture doesnt just as much dammage to our bodies! Why doesnt the church say anything about this, just because it was invented AFTER the bible was written!?
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When I was newly sober I was invited to a women's retreat to another denomination. I was looking forward to being with other Christian women and wanted to make friends that would kind of support my recovery at least indirectly. I was horrified when a number of the ladies pulled out wine, beer, etc.! I was so scared of the stuff. Liquor was like a snake at the time. A couple of the ladies leaned on me to have a drink with them. Even the pastor's wife who was leading the seminar and the lady leading the worship team drank. I was given instructions by my sponsor who told me to go to my room and close the door. She also wisely told me to never go anywhere I couldn't leave if I became uncomfortable. I think any of you might agree that a women's church retreat would be an unexpected place to find temptation. When I complained about it my sponsor vehemently told me not to judge them. She was right of course. Still....! I think drinking at a church function is inappropriate.
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10/27/2007 3:16 am |
Nothing wrong with having a drink. The Bible just says "don't get DRUNK on wine". When you get drunk you lose your inhibitions and are more susceptible to be tempted. Kind of makes sense really doesnt it!   PENELOPE "For I know the Plans I have for you, declares the Lord" Jer 29:11
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10/29/2007 11:45 am |
HI, I have always thought about the question of drinking alcohol and the way I am taught by the spirit of God is that it states in Romans "For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the spirit the things of the spirit". To me that verse tells me where I stand, either in the flesh or live in the spirit. If I live in the spirit why would I desire to drink alcohol if alcohol is needed for the flesh? About Jesus drinking wine, I read where Jesus didn't drink wine because Jesus said He would drink it with us in Glory, the spiritual kind of wine where it you read where when all the saints where in the spirit and looked as if they were drunken with wine BUT WERE'NT. Think about it , pray and see after if you need a glass of wine, how would you feel? I read from kjv and the spirit of God educates my spirit not the alcohol.
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