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Sweethoney2007
9/9/2008 9:18 am |
No where in the Word of God are we ever told that baptism by water saves. Rather we are told that to be born of the Spirit,(baptized, immersed in, filled with) is what saves. Regeneration is a holy Spirit miracle that is performed by the will of the Father to those called of God to salvation. The holy Spirit falls on and immerses in and enters into the person being saved. If you have God's holy Spirit living in you then you are saved, if not then you can believe with your intellect all you want or even believe another gospel(one perverted from the true gospel) and you are not saved. Romans 8:9-17 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. Being baptized cannot forgive our sins. Getting baptized will just get you wet! The bible teaches that that baptism is only symbolic of the Gospel, not the Gospel itself. Baptism is symbolic of the new life in Christ but it has NO POWER to save. Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Romans 1 declares that the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. Baptism is not mentioned. Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images." |
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9/9/2008 10:06 am |
Kim, I dont think anyone here has even so much as hinted that Baptism itself saves us  Jesus is my Saviour, I shall not be moved.
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9/9/2008 3:13 pm |
AMEN I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS ONE
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 9/9/2008 10:44 pm |
Claudia, Thats because it does not save us ...alone or with anything else either! Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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9/9/2008 10:45 pm |
crucified777 Good and now all you need to understand now is that works do not save either! Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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9/10/2008 9:50 am |
SW I never said that works saves.JESUS is the only one that saves.I do believe that once you receive that FREE gift YOUR ACTIONS,WORKS prove the validity of that FREE GIFT.. without the HOLY SPIRIT YOUR good deeds ,actions,WORKS are nothing they are done out of selfish heart,which gains us nothing...... So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase. 8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor. 9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. 16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
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9/11/2008 6:48 am |
Baptism alone does not work but when you come to repentance and baptism then you receive the Holy Ghost that God gives you.Pray to God and repent name your sins in the Name of His Son, our Lord, Savior and Redeemer, Jesus Christ and then be baptized in the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost and receive God's gift then you can testify yourself. Words From God of Heaven and Earth
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9/12/2008 8:28 am |
Repentance is NOT a Good Work That We Do For God.Repentance is a gift which God grants to us. Repentance is humbling. The enemy of Grace and Repentance is pride and God resists the proud. Repentance awakens us to our desperate need of grace and thus prepares us to receive Christ, with humbling gratitude. Repentance embraces Christ in faith. Acts 11:15-18 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as [he did] unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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9/12/2008 8:30 am |
I am born again and filled with the holy Ghost BUT God gave me repentance because of his wonderful grace. I did not earn my salvation, those who work for salvation don't have it in the first place. ALL ARE SINNERS...WE HAVE A SIN NATURE AND THAT IS WHY WE SIN...IT MUST HAVE TOOK YOU MANY YEARS TO SIT AND CONFESS EVERY ONE OF YOUR SINS...STILL MUST TAKE ALL YOUR TIME SINCE NO ONE IS SIN FREE. I AM SO ETERNALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE BLOOD OF JESUS SHED FOR ME THAT CLEANSES FROM SIN AND FOR GODS REPENTANCE THAT BRINGS US BACK TO HIM AND FOR GODS SAVING FAITH THAT HELPS ME TO BELIEVE AND TRUST IN HIM...I HAVE NOTHING TO BOAST IN EXCEPT JESUS CHRIST. I TESTIFY IN GODS WONDERFUL GRACE!!!! Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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9/26/2008 3:22 pm |
Awake to righteousness and sin not Romans13:1-2 Let every soul be subject unto the higher power. For there is no power but of God, the powers that be are ordained of God whosoever therefore resist the power, resist the ordinance of God and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. Words From God of Heaven and Earth
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9/27/2008 1:10 pm |
shalla Taken out of context. That scripture is talking about people obeying the laws of the land as long as they do not conflict with Gods law or else one will pay the price. The lost are under the law in order to control sin but the law does not save. Only the blood of Jesus saves. You will never measure up to Gods law...his standard is perfection...you will fall short in the end. Jesus is the end of the law because he personifies that perfect law. Those born of God and justified by Jesus Christ have fullfilled the requirements of the law..Jesus is our perfect righteousness and true holiness! Romans 3 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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10/8/2008 2:02 am |
> No where in the Word of God are we ever told that baptism by water saves. See 1 Peter 3: 21; and several other verses elsewhere. I do not believe that baptism, done in Faith, is to be classed as a "work". It is like a gift, as is Faith, repentance, and the Holy Spirit Who is Life (as is Christ, as is YHWH ). © Feel free to come see my Blog. And Enjoy! If you want to meet me or just get to know me. Hallelu-Yah! Praise Yah! wpx1 ©
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10/8/2008 11:49 am |
wpx1 SDA believe in Baptismal regeneration and I am pointing out the error. Isaiah 42:8 " I am the Lord; that is my name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."
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