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I goggled up types of Witch craft and this is all I could find....(3.1) Fortune telling (3.2) Interpreters (3.3) Spiritism (3.4) Seances (3.5) Palmistry (3.6) Cartomancy (3.7) Pyromancy (3.  Mirror Mantic (3.9) Psychometry (3.10) Tea cup reading (3.11) Geomancy (3.12) Arithmancy (3.13) Aeromancy (3.14) Capnomancy (3.15) Rhapsodmancy (3.16) Augury (3.17) Ouija Board I didn't see tithing there so I have to assume that anyone who would consider it as a form of witch craft is only voicing their personal opinion and really don't have the facts right. You may not support the local church in either your attendance or your giving and that is your right but please don't go on in a tirade about it as being evil or something God isn't pleased with because I' afraid you don't have any basis for that! The local church and it's Pastors, elders, deacons, sunday school teachers, ushers the children ministries, the parking lot attendants, and even the custodians are there only because of their love for God and their desire to help others in knowing His love too! I praise God for my church, for all Godly churches, and all the men and women that have unselfishly gave of their time to help minster to the needs of others. None of this should be taken for granted or especially thought of in some evil way! Churches cost money to build, maintain, and operate and they wouldn't exist without the congregation giving to them as unto the Lord and doing it cheerfully so if you are of the opinion as some here are that it is wrong to give to the local church then please by all means stay home and hang onto your filthy Luger God certainly doesn't need it! |
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 5/8/2008 7:27 pm |
Google does NOT equal God (no matter how good they are  ...nor does Wikipedia.
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5/8/2008 7:28 pm |
I agree with you. Tithing isn' somehow evil . . . I didn't even read that post by the way - just saw the tirade beginning and tiptoed away! LOL I believe ALL our money belongs to the Lord - 100% of it. And we're to ask Him for guidance in how to be a good steward's of what he has blessed us with, including giving. As my Pastor says "If you're not sure what to give, 10% is a good rule of thumb since there is scriptural back up for it."
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5/8/2008 7:34 pm |
P.S. I have not even heard of some of these. I will do a study when I have some time. Bless your heart, Greg From one bride to another, God keep you, bless you, increase you, Rhonda  
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5/8/2008 7:49 pm |
Each to their own I guess Greggie, but it is not right to manipulate people with doctrine, that to me is witchcraft... not tithing.. I will tithe, as I know in my heart before God too, it is a personal thing between me and God, not something to be debated... Blessings Duncanny, and it is so great to see you , especially your new pic 
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5/8/2008 7:49 pm |
Thanks for keeping this clear!!! I would not some new baby christian coming through here and leave thinking that a tithe is witch craft!!! Blessing Greg!!!  "THE PATH OF MAN IS TOO DARK, THE CROSS OF CHRIST IS TOO GLORIOUS, AND THE HEART OF GOD IS TOO GRIEVED, FOR ME TO QUIT NOW."
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5/8/2008 7:51 pm |
There are so many ways man/woman kind justify what they do or don't do. I agree with what you say. If it's not your cup o' tea to give then don't, but don't try to drag all of God's kids into the mud pit to justify yourselves! Witchcraft is rebellion and manipulation, so if anyone says titheing is witchcraft- well, that would be witchcraft more than about anything I have heard but probably only spoken in ignorance and not in front of a cauldron with a big witch spoon! Good post Greg! This comment is not actually to insult those who don't believe in tithing, but these matters just seem to be brought up to stir up controversy. From one bride to another, God keep you, bless you, increase you, Rhonda
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5/8/2008 8:01 pm |
anytime you are trying to "control" a group of people or a person it is a form of witchcraft. And the teaching of tithing is absolutely wrong. It did not start here in America until 400 years after the country was discovered. Think about that. Greg the tithe in the old testament which is by the way done away with was never about money. NEVER It was usually about Wheat, which Farmers were required to give to help feed the poor. In Malachai God was mad at the Leviticus Priests for keeping the best for themselves. It speaks directly to them in Chapters one and two. It is not speaking to Isreal. They were also under a drought at the time and God said he would pour out blessings if the Leviticus Priests would do what they were supposed to do and not steal. (Rain) Michael, you do better when you dont let ignorant drivel come out of your mouth. You know nothing.Absolutely nothing! Greg, we are under blessing. Jesus did not tithe, neither is disciples and neither did the poor. Jesus taught giving. But this does not mean just money. Its your time and your talents. Yet, we are taught to abide, so in abiding the overflow of the Lord in our lives is where the giving comes from. If it is money then its something the Holy Spirit tells you, and not some ignorant brainwashed preacher. There were no fulltime speakers in fellowships until constantine initiated that well over 300 years after Christ Yes it is not only wrong (witchcraft) but it is totally unscriptural what they do in Fellowships today.
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5/8/2008 8:07 pm |
NO TITHING IN THE CHURCH OF THE APOSTLES We have Scriptural proof that no such law or custom as Christian tithing was taught or practiced in the Church by the early apostles. Their epistles are totally devoid of any such tithing custom or law. Gentile converts were never taught to tithe to anyone. Although the temple and priesthood in Jerusalem remained until 70 AD, not even Jewish converts were taught to give their tithes to the Apostles rather than to the temple priests. In the Acts 15 Jerusalem Conference we find outlined what the apostles all agreed was necessary for the newly converted Gentiles to practice, and by inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God, tithing is conspicuously missing. Some believing Pharisees wanted the apostles to teach the Gentiles to keep the Law of Moses (which certainly contained the law of tithing, Acts 15:5), but the apostles headed by Peter, James, and Paul would not hear of it (Acts 15:28-29)! Yet, what is one of the very first legislated duties taught to Gentile converts by the Church today? It is that they must tithe their annual salaries to the Church. Where did this unscriptural law of Christian tithing come from? Notice this telling bit of history from the my Encyclopedia Britannica, "Tithes in Christendom—The earliest authentic example of anything like a law of the State enforcing payment appears to occur in the capitularies [ecclesiasticals] of Charlemagne at the end of the 8th or beginning of the 9th century. Tithes were by that enactment to be applied to the maintenance of the bishop, clergy, the poor, and the fabric of the church. In the course of time the principle of payment of tithes was extended FAR BEYOND its original intention. Thus they became transferable to laymen and saleable like ordinary property, in spite of the injunctions of the third Lateran Council; and they became payable OUT OF SOURCES OF INCOME [not just farming and herding, but other trades and occupations and salaries paid in the form of money] NOT ORIGINALLY TITHABLE." (1963, volume 22, page 253, ‘TITHES’).
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5/8/2008 8:09 pm |
THE MYSTERY OF MALACHI REVEALED It is the book of Malachi that today’s clergy uses as their main authority for promulgating the doctrine of "Christian tithing." Christian tithing means that everyone must give 10% of their gross income (which is in the form of MONEY, 99%+ of the time), or they will be "cursed with a curse." It will be well worth your time to read the real meaning of Malachi’s prophecy. Mostly one will hear only three verses of Malachi quoted by those attempting to wrest a doctrine of Christian tithing from this prophecy. Here are the "cursing" verses: "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed Me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed Thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed Me, even this whole nation" (Malachi 3:8-9). Here is the "blessing" verse: "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat [bread] in Mine house, and prove Me now herewith, says the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that thee shall not be room enough to receive it" (Malachi 3:10). Their interpretation of these proof texts are as follows: Rob God of His ten percent of your salary and be CURSED, or pay God ten percent of your salary and be BLESSED. Before we go any further, just who is cursing whom in this Malachi prophecy? Does God, indeed, say, "You are CURSED with a curse" (Mal. 3:9)? This definitely sounds as if it is GOD Who is doing the cursing, doesn’t it? But say, did you notice that the word "are" in your Bible is in italics? That means that the word was supplied by the translators and was not in the original manuscripts. Remove it, and the verse says: "You cursed…" rather than "You are cursed…" Is it God, or Israel, who is doing the cursing in this verse? The Sopherim (Jewish Scribes) understood this verse to say that it was Israel "cursing God" rather than "God cursing Israel." I have a few translations that make this correction: "With the curse YOU are cursing [me], and me YOU are robbing—the nation in its entirety." And: "With a curse you curse Me, and Me you are defrauding—the nation, all of it" (Mal. 3:9, Concordant Version of The Old Testament). We must always keep in mind that when the Bible says "tithes" it means products from the land—as grains and cattle. But when the Priests of Christendom say "tithes," it always means MONEY. Because the clergy prefers to be paid in MONEY, it therefore, became necessary to change the Biblical use of the word "tithes" to now include MONEY. And if "MONEY" can now be shown to be a tithable commodity, guess what? Abracadabra, hocus-pocus, open sesame—every believer, of every occupation in the whole world (not just the farmers as in the Law of Moses), now is required to pay ten percent of his income to the Church. They increased their base of productivity a hundred fold. What then is the 21st Century application of this Malachi Prophecy? Are we now to tithe MONEY? Let’s read Malachi 3:10 very carefully: WHAT were they robbing God of? "tithes AND offerings." Tithes of what? Products from the land—grains and cattle. WHERE were they to bring the tithes? To the "storehouse" [Hebrew: ‘garner’-- a granary for grain]. WHY did God want these tithes of the land brought to the "storehouse" (the granary)? "That there may be meat [bread] in Mine house [God’s house, Not the granary]." If there is no spiritual application of these statements and we rather take them literally, there appears to be a contradiction here. Why should the people bring the tithes to the "storehouse" (a granary for storing grain) when what God wanted was "bread in His house," (the tabernacle/Temple, and not the "storehouse")? The only food in God’s house—the tabernacle, was a dozen loaves of bread. And that bread was for the Priests only, not for the tribe of Levi. Since there were only twelve loaves of bread in the Tabernacle/Temple of God, are we to believe that the whole nation of Israel did not bring enough grain to the storehouse to make even twelve loaves of bread? God does not contradict Himself, there needs to be something other than a need for enough grain from the whole nation of Israel to make twelve loaves of bread! Just what does God mean, "that there may be meat [bread] in Mine house?" Is God really reprimanding Christians of the 21st Century through Malachi’s prophecy to bring our checkbooks to church, "that there may be MONEY in Mine house?" Yet this is the teaching of the Church regarding Malachi’s message. What is the Truth? Does God ask Israel to bring all the tithes and offerings into the storehouse, or treasury, or granary, so that there will be "tithes and offerings in Mine house?" No. God says so, "that there may be meat in Mine house?" We know that they did not bring the tithes and offerings into the holy place of the tabernacle. Only bread was kept in the holy place. The "bread" in the holy place was a type of something future, just as everything that happened to Israel and all of their offerings and ceremonies were a type of something future (I Cor. 10:11). He must indeed be spiritual blind who cannot see that the "bread" in the holy place foreshadows "The True Bread of Life—Jesus Christ." If God wanted more MONEY in His house, why did Jesus do what He did in the House of God? "And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the MONEY changers… and said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves" (Matt. 21:12-13).
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5/8/2008 8:09 pm |
I have plenty more
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5/8/2008 8:11 pm |
anytime you are trying to "control" a group of people or a person it is a form of witchcraft. And the teaching of tithing is absolutely wrong. It did not start here in America until 400 years after the country was discovered. Think about that. Greg the tithe in the old testament which is by the way done away with was never about money. NEVER It was usually about Wheat, which Farmers were required to give to help feed the poor. In Malachai God was mad at the Leviticus Priests for keeping the best for themselves. It speaks directly to them in Chapters one and two. It is not speaking to Isreal. They were also under a drought at the time and God said he would pour out blessings if the Leviticus Priests would do what they were supposed to do and not steal. (Rain) Michael, you do better when you dont let ignorant drivel come out of your mouth. You know nothing.Absolutely nothing! Greg, we are under blessing. Jesus did not tithe, neither is disciples and neither did the poor. Jesus taught giving. But this does not mean just money. Its your time and your talents. Yet, we are taught to abide, so in abiding the overflow of the Lord in our lives is where the giving comes from. If it is money then its something the Holy Spirit tells you, and not some ignorant brainwashed preacher. There were no fulltime speakers in fellowships until constantine initiated that well over 300 years after Christ Yes it is not only wrong (witchcraft) but it is totally unscriptural what they do in Fellowships today. We are what we believe we are. C. S. Lewis
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 5/8/2008 8:22 pm |
Just hand over the filthy luger Dunk!!! 
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5/8/2008 8:34 pm |
I have plenty more "Sorry" Dennis.
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5/8/2008 9:05 pm |
I love you Greg Duncan. It is apparent to me that there are some who only wish to cause strife by their lack of love and the weight of their words. It is one thing to disagree in love. It is yet another to consider giving witchcraft....when what we give is already HIS. We are merely stewards of what we have. Let us be careful we do not cross the line toward blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. God is merciful, but He will not tolerate outspoken belligerence. Maybe a good look at the book of Acts of the story of Ananias and Sapphira would help. Did I say it already? Greg Duncan, I love you. Your heart is right and your spirit does not strive with mine. Thank you. P.S. Now don't get me in trouble with the love of my life, Jim You know I love you like a sister...with Jim...I love, love him Gee, do I love him OK, I'm outta here.... 
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5/8/2008 9:47 pm |
dennis i agree that if a church is corupt tihing can go to corrupt means but you are encouraging insubordinance yourslf...OF COURSE ITS MONEY TODAY COZ WE DONT TRADE without it i personally beleive tithing is potenatially ABUSED but christains should be ENCOURAGED TO give at least ten percent for the general operation of the local church!!! STOP IT DENNIS IM BEGINNING TO LOSE respect for you you have AWEEEESSSSSOOOOMMMME thngs to say often but this one must stem from locxal church wounding surely Look TITHING IS NOT A LAW>>>>>>>we are under grace...but if the OLD testamant is a shadow or type ....of jesus...surely we should be encouraged to adhere TO THE SPIRIT OF IT NOT THE law if any christain CANT give ten percent of his MONEY away HOW DOES JESUS HAVE HIS HEART IF YOU GET DISTURBED ABOUT A LOCAL CHURCH...leave in humility and find a church that you CAN support its not rocket science AND NO JUST BECAUSE MILLIONS OF CHRISTAINS GET ABUSED BY PREACHERS WHO TRY TO BASH TITHES OUT OF THEM AS A LAW (WHICH I DO BELIEVE IS WRONG) the answer is obedience to CHRIST not rebellion we arent under compulsion to give...and if we arerin a church that flogs it there is a problemmas there is with MONEY hungry megachurches ...the ones that love MONEY more than their mandate to be a large church (ie some mega churches are called by God..some mega churches are called by the LUST FOR MONEY PRESTIGE ETC) GOD knows the di=fference despite error and abuse...do you think that GOD wouldnt want a christain NOT UNDER LAW BUT UNDER LIBERTY AND JOY.. to give more than ten percent an d do it cheerfully if we are grieved that the church we are in is misusing things we can pray to God and GVE WHERE HE LEADS BUT FOR GOODNESS SSAKE DONT ENCOURAGE A LACK OF GIVING expose the LAW as being unecessary compulsion,,,,,tell OTHERS that we ALL TRULY HAVE THE LIBERRTY TO FOLLOW THE TITHING PRINCIPLE WITH LIBERTY...ie to give elsewhere PROVIDED WE ARE CONVINcED IN OUR HEART THT WE ARE NOT NEGELECTING THE NEEDS OF THE LOCAL CHURCH BUT FOR GOODNESS SAKE EXHORT PEOPLE TO GIVE MORE NOT LESS its not a law but it is a spiritual principle GOD CANT HAVE YOUR HEART IF HE DOESNT HAVE YOUR WALLET GOD HAS AT TIMES INSTRUCTED ME TO GIVE TO THE POOR WIDOW RATHER THAN TO THE PASTOR LISTEN TO THE LORD>>>HAVE YOUR MONEY SURRENDERED TO JESUS THATS THE PRINCIPLE At least 30% of the modern church lives under LAW at least 30% may be lawless too (general trends) the answer is the liberty of loving God in all things including MONEY WHERE ON EARTH DOES THIS LEAVE PEOPLE DENNIS... uneccessary STICK TO YOUR STRENGTHS youve missed it on this one,,,im often gracious to you coz you have alot of awesome things to say..but not this one DONT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENCOURAGING INSUBORNINATION IN ANY INDIVIDAUL THE DEVIL LOVES IT IF WE DONT TITHE,,,australia is notoriuos for poor tithing...america is known to BLESS its intinerant preachers and i assume that a similar trend wold cross over in tithing if you teach people no tithe you could encourage rebleeion why dont you teach that we have the liberty to place the MONEY where the Spirit is leading us....that is SPIRIT not letter be careful Dennis,,,im saying this out of respect FRED if you lead people out of LAW you must lead them inot HIGHER PRINCIPLES OF OBEDIENCE eg giving out of a cheerful heart as God directs,,,,greater than 10% as a passion to jesus you could be leading poeple to lawlessness
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5/8/2008 10:05 pm |
Whenever the offering plate comes around at church I always take a little bit out and ay thank you - I think tithing is a great idea 
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5/8/2008 10:07 pm |
No big deal, as long as I give to God. Anyway, God never question where I spent my 90% share. God is always fair. Anyway, if i can give to others, how much more to my source of everything? I never see any problem with that.......... WHAT'S THE BIG PROBLEM ABOUT TITHING?  God will never force us to open our hands to Him if we don't want to.Just my thought......... That's how I honor my GOD.
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5/9/2008 1:10 am |
Not only does the Lord claim the tithe as His own, but He tells us how it should be reserved for Him. He says, "Honor the Lord with thy substance, and with the first fruits of all thine increase." To say that has nothing to do with our money is missing the entire idea of it. A tithe of our income is "holy unto the Lord." The New Testament does not reenact the law of the tithe, as it does not that of the Sabbath; for the validity of both is assumed, and their deep spiritual import explained. . . .
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5/9/2008 1:30 am |
Greg, actually if you look at the Bible definition of Witchcraft, ...well just take a look yourself: 1Sam:15:23: For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Rebellion of any kind against God is considered as Witchcraft. Because there's only being on God's side or Satan's side. But for Dennis to equate Tithing with Wichcraft, I think is way off the mark, it would in reality be the opposite. Tithing isnt "legalistic" or else we are actually calling God "legalistic" since He is the One who put the Tithing System into being. Just like the Sabbath, the Pharisees kept the Sabbath legalistically and Jesus set them straight on it in all that He did, such as rubbing the grains together, and the Religious Leaders wrongly accused Him of breaking the Sabbath in doing that. Jesus said it is LAWFUL to pull your ox out of a ditch on Sabbath, it seemed unlawful when David ate the shewbread in the temple but in reality it was lawful because love is the underlying principle of the Law, including the Sabbath. Tithing isnt any more "legalistic" than the Sabbath is. PEOPLE make it that way by how they choose to carry it out. Its a real shame alot of Christians dont understand this concept. But if you can understand it when it comes to Tithing, then you can also comprehend the same principles when it comes to the Sabbath. The Sabbath wasnt re-stated in the New Testament and neither was Tithing because it was assumed everyone already knew about both things. Had it been abolished, God would've made sure to SAY SO. No need to re-tell people all over again in the New Testament about tithing.
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5/9/2008 4:15 am |
Google does NOT equal God (no matter how good they are ...nor does Wikipedia.
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5/9/2008 4:25 am |
dennis i agree that if a church is corupt tihing can go to corrupt means but you are encouraging insubordinance yourslf...OF COURSE ITS MONEY TODAY COZ WE DONT TRADE without it i personally beleive tithing is potenatially ABUSED but christains should be ENCOURAGED TO give at least ten percent for the general operation of the local church!!! STOP IT DENNIS IM BEGINNING TO LOSE respect for you you have AWEEEESSSSSOOOOMMMME thngs to say often but this one must stem from locxal church wounding surely Look TITHING IS NOT A LAW>>>>>>>we are under grace...but if the OLD testamant is a shadow or type ....of jesus...surely we should be encouraged to adhere TO THE SPIRIT OF IT NOT THE law if any christain CANT give ten percent of his MONEY away HOW DOES JESUS HAVE HIS HEART IF YOU GET DISTURBED ABOUT A LOCAL CHURCH...leave in humility and find a church that you CAN support its not rocket science AND NO JUST BECAUSE MILLIONS OF CHRISTAINS GET ABUSED BY PREACHERS WHO TRY TO BASH TITHES OUT OF THEM AS A LAW (WHICH I DO BELIEVE IS WRONG) the answer is obedience to CHRIST not rebellion we arent under compulsion to give...and if we arerin a church that flogs it there is a problemmas there is with MONEY hungry megachurches ...the ones that love MONEY more than their mandate to be a large church (ie some mega churches are called by God..some mega churches are called by the LUST FOR MONEY PRESTIGE ETC) GOD knows the di=fference despite error and abuse...do you think that GOD wouldnt want a christain NOT UNDER LAW BUT UNDER LIBERTY AND JOY.. to give more than ten percent an d do it cheerfully if we are grieved that the church we are in is misusing things we can pray to God and GVE WHERE HE LEADS BUT FOR GOODNESS SSAKE DONT ENCOURAGE A LACK OF GIVING expose the LAW as being unecessary compulsion,,,,,tell OTHERS that we ALL TRULY HAVE THE LIBERRTY TO FOLLOW THE TITHING PRINCIPLE WITH LIBERTY...ie to give elsewhere PROVIDED WE ARE CONVINcED IN OUR HEART THT WE ARE NOT NEGELECTING THE NEEDS OF THE LOCAL CHURCH BUT FOR GOODNESS SAKE EXHORT PEOPLE TO GIVE MORE NOT LESS its not a law but it is a spiritual principle GOD CANT HAVE YOUR HEART IF HE DOESNT HAVE YOUR WALLET GOD HAS AT TIMES INSTRUCTED ME TO GIVE TO THE POOR WIDOW RATHER THAN TO THE PASTOR LISTEN TO THE LORD>>>HAVE YOUR MONEY SURRENDERED TO JESUS THATS THE PRINCIPLE At least 300f the modern church lives under LAW at least 30% may be lawless too (general trends) the answer is the liberty of loving God in all things including MONEY WHERE ON EARTH DOES THIS LEAVE PEOPLE DENNIS... uneccessary STICK TO YOUR STRENGTHS youve missed it on this one,,,im often gracious to you coz you have alot of awesome things to say..but not this one DONT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENCOURAGING INSUBORNINATION IN ANY INDIVIDAUL THE DEVIL LOVES IT IF WE DONT TITHE,,,australia is notoriuos for poor tithing...america is known to BLESS its intinerant preachers and i assume that a similar trend wold cross over in tithing if you teach people no tithe you could encourage rebleeion why dont you teach that we have the liberty to place the MONEY where the Spirit is leading us....that is SPIRIT not letter be careful Dennis,,,im saying this out of respect FRED if you lead people out of LAW you must lead them inot HIGHER PRINCIPLES OF OBEDIENCE eg giving out of a cheerful heart as God directs,,,,greater than 10% as a passion to jesus you could be leading poeple to lawlessness So I do agree that we should give to the church and give generously and I always do. But we should do it with the understanding that we are not under the law. That we are saved by Grace through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And if people are following The Word, then they'd no to give generously even knowing that they are no longer under the law.
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5/9/2008 4:47 am |
Malachi 3 is being used as "Christian witchcraft." Malachi 3:8-12 is routinely taken out of context and used as a curse, a form of "Christian witchcraft" by the greedy, manipulators or sometimes by those just blindly following out of ignorance. Malachi was writing to an Israel that was under the law. The tithe was agrarian, NOT income based. Israel was completely backslidden, the Priests were NOT doing their jobs, the sacrifices were polluted and rejected by God and the people were completely neglecting proper marriage laws and the maintenance and restoration of the House of God. There was no acceptable sacrifices being given or sacrificed. To use Malachi 3 as a "curse" against saved people, who are trusting in God's Perfect Sacrifice, respecting marriage and are NOT neglecting the New Testament temple [their bodies and spiritual condition] or "the gathering of the Body together" is to misapply the word of God for financial gain. A best seller on mandated tithing states, "Every Christian who isn't honoring the Lord with the tithe is guilty of robbing God, is living under a curse, and will remain in financial bondage until he or she obeys God's Word and begins to Tithe. Tithing breaks the curse!" - God's Financial Plan by Norman Robertson - page 61 #12. This is what we tell everyone that becomes saved? The sacrifice of Christ isn't enough? Christ removed all but the "financial curse?" This is heretical FICTION [Fear Induced Condemnation That Is Oppressive & Negative]. That statement is mixing law with Grace, not rightly dividing the Word of Truth, a stumbling block, not of faith and is therefore sin. I recently heard one minister extend the misappropriated Malachi curse to the church stating that he was tired of his church not receiving the full blessings of God because of the "thieves" that came to the church that didn't tithe and gave corrupted seed. Would this minister consider refusing all money from these "non-tithing thieves"? Why does he choose to participate in their "thievery" and "sin" by accepting "corrupted seed?" God doesn't accept corrupted seed, so why should the ministers accept it? [Malachi 1:10, Amos 5:22, 1 Cor. 13] Peter exposed those giving corrupted seed. [Acts 5:3, 8, 9] To make sure there would be no deceit under agrarian law tithing, each Hebrew was compelled to make a declaration of honesty before the Lord. [Deuteronomy 26:13-15] This mandated declaration also stated that you had honestly given the tithe, "...to the Levite, the stranger, the sojourner, the fatherless and to the widow..." Oppress the poor with the curse of the Law and the judgement you see is Matthew 7:23! Richard Garganta
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5/9/2008 11:53 am |
Greg, I don't think that tithing is witchcraft. However, when ministers try to manipulate and control people into giving by using this Old Covenant doctrine today, then that is witchcraft. Manipulation and control are manifestations of the spirit of witchcraft. Tithing is not part of the New Covenant. It was part of the Law that we are now set free from. I thought you would know this since you are a man who believes in the finished work of Christ. Blessings, Jean
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5/9/2008 4:42 pm |
Greg, I don't think that tithing is witchcraft. However, when ministers try to manipulate and control people into giving by using this Old Covenant doctrine today, then that is witchcraft. Manipulation and control are manifestations of the spirit of witchcraft. Tithing is not part of the New Covenant. It was part of the Law that we are now set free from. I thought you would know this since you are a man who believes in the finished work of Christ. Blessings, Jean
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5/9/2008 5:44 pm |
Luger may mean: * Luger P08 pistol o 7.65 mm Luger cartridge o 9 mm Luger cartridge * Luger Industries, a boat manufacturer * Georg Luger, inventor of the above Luger pistol * Dan Luger, an English rugby union player * Lex Luger, an American professional wrestler and former football player * A participant in the sport of luge  
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5/9/2008 6:26 pm |
Excellently worded.
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5/9/2008 6:54 pm |
your being luger than life on this one im taking a potato to the church offering tomorow ,to be contreversial seems cool
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5/9/2008 7:20 pm |
gregduncan replies on 5/9/2008 9:53 pm: I know I mispelled that word I'm a lousy speller I mean the word that sounds like that but means money I still don't know how to spell it right Hey welcome to the blogs and I hope you'll continue to make mine look a whole lot better by coming back so we...I....can see your pretty face again Didn't you mean, "welcome BACK to the blogs" Gregory Duncan Hines???
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5/9/2008 7:43 pm |
I think you meant to say "filthy luker" ....I always thought a luger was a big lugie you spit out of your mouth! and yeah I would classify that as filthy.... Hey there aneleh....how's it goin? Long time no see!
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5/9/2008 7:51 pm |
I think you meant to say "filthy luker" ....I always thought a luger was a big lugie you spit out of your mouth! and yeah I would classify that as filthy.... Hey there aneleh....how's it goin? Long time no see!
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5/9/2008 7:52 pm |
gregduncan replies on 5/9/2008 10:44 pm: Hellen you little stinker ahhhh well yes then welcome back to the blogs sweetest ewe Its all your fault!
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5/9/2008 9:02 pm |
Hi! Good to see you here again...and with a great face shot! God doesn't need out "clean" Luger, either. Our tithe is the privilege of giving Him something in recognition of the fact it's all his, anyway.
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5/9/2008 10:36 pm |
lucre its related to the word lucrative and potato.. pot mens lu ato mens cre in pre greek
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5/9/2008 10:47 pm |
I think you meant to say "filthy luker" ....I always thought a luger was a big lugie you spit out of your mouth! and yeah I would classify that as filthy.... Hey there aneleh....how's it goin? Long time no see!
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5/10/2008 12:32 pm |
Okay freddie, so I can't spell either...I had the phonetics right though! Well I know a luger is a gun hellen...but since I don't own one...I thought he meant to "point my finger"...at the package....sheesh some people....I can't believe he even suggested that. Sooooo lucre it is then....I knew that!....at any rate, you should want to give it out of love for Jesus and for no other reason....after all, it ALL belongs to Him anyway, we just have stewardship of it for the time we are here. Who cares about the name you place on the action of doing so. I don't.
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5/11/2008 8:07 am |
forgot my sacred potato i even soaked it in holy cloth and rocked with it for hours in cleansing prayer,,,,clensing it of generational iniquities,,its grandfather was the ringleader in the very sad irish potato famine will donate it shortly,,,i expect the heavens to open DRAMATICALLY 10 years ago my first sacred potato tithe cauased massive financial promotion in my life You can all order my book "potato tithe...the open heaven is one potoato away- techniques and rituals" its $800 bucks...i will even send you a free HOLY SANCTIFIED POTATO that wigglesworth grew if you order now (i have his crop of FRED
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5/12/2008 12:59 pm |
All I can say is wow. I can not believe that anyone would remotely begint to think that tithing was witchcraft. I have always been toaught to tithe and eve though at this point in my life I am in a backslidden state I still pay my tithes faithfully. I believe this is something that God wants us to do . I am shocked at some of the comments on tithing . I think some need to do some soul searching and pray in sincerity and ask God to show them . I think I will do some extemsive research on tithing and get back to this. In the mean time Thanks Duncan for your post . I dint see thithing anywhere on that list either . And I wonder exactly how is giving to God and his church withcraft? What an absurd idea that it is in anyway connected.
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5/12/2008 11:50 pm |
Tithing is The Word of God,...and none of God is witchcraft...1st Corinthians 16:1-2.....I do know that tithing,and paying offerings brings blessings..stealing from God will only get you into serious trouble...you guys' are totally wrong speaking about robbing from God's offering & tithing plate..Jesus is coming soon,..it is time to get ready..
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5/13/2008 7:58 am |
what was meant is that manipulation and coercion was witchchraft.... which it is,,,simple...tithing should be done free of compulsion of course if you want compulsion and witchcraft ..give your belongings to a shark ...i call that desolation not blessing tithe wisely...choose a church wisely..and tithe to it leave sharks to the judgement of God..and pray for Gods mercy on them
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5/22/2008 5:10 am |
what was meant is that manipulation and coercion was witchchraft.... which it is,,,simple...tithing should be done free of compulsion of course if you want compulsion and witchcraft ..give your belongings to a shark ...i call that desolation not blessing tithe wisely...choose a church wisely..and tithe to it leave sharks to the judgement of God..and pray for Gods mercy on them Give wisely. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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5/22/2008 3:02 pm |
Hello Greg,...I am glad you put this back up so that I could come back & repost,..I wanted to tell you that I am sorry,...I'm not sorry for what I said & defineatelly not sorry for the way I believe,..but I am sorry for The way I was feeling when I typed it,..even though you did not know how I felt,..I did...so I wanted to come back & ask you to forgive me for the motive that caused me to respond when I did..Jil..
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5/23/2008 12:26 pm |
I don't like tithing. I don't do it very often. I am poor. But I must admit that Jesus of Nazereth indicated that people ought to tithe and give to the poor. He also said people ought to love their enemies. Just because what he said is right doesen't make it easy OR pleasant.
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5/23/2008 6:52 pm |
To me tithing on one level is just having real faith in GOD. Kinda like put up or shut up! I tithe but sometimes get nervous but thats probably the money talking..lol
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5/25/2008 5:55 pm |
Giving seems to be the hardest thing anyone has to do, God says it in his word that when you give it comes back to you a hundred times fold! So why is it so hard for people to give, without God we wouldnt have anything at all. Amen to your blog! Thanks for getting that straightened out! God bless!
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6/6/2008 3:43 am |
Romans 13: 6. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Romans 13  . Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. 1Peter 4:8. And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. 2 Corinthians 9:6. But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 7. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
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I'm a lousy speller I mean the word that sounds like that but means money
Hey welcome to the blogs and I hope you'll continue to make mine look a whole lot better by coming back so we...I....can see your pretty face again
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