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3/14/2009 3:26 am
 Through Preaching And Prayer

We know God is all powerful and has the freedom and the sovereign right to save any and all lost sinners.Well then if one doesn't believe in election why pray for a lost soul at all?
If one doesn't believe in the sovereignty of God in election then how can one faithfully and consistently pray that God will actually save lost sinners we pray for?

If we have a relative,lets say,who doesn't believe in Christ and we pray"Lord please save my son/daughter,please Lord do whatever it takes!" we have to believe God has the right and power to save unbelieving,unrepentant,hardened sinners.
God has the right to intrude upon a persons rebellion
and overcome it,and draw that person effectively to Him.That is
in essence election.

But if one don't believe in Gods right to determine ones election and conversion then how can one consistently pray that it be done?If its all about a persons own self-determination and not Gods election whats the point in praying for them?If God can change their heart,surely He can change their mind and draw them effectively to faith and salvation through the Holy Spirits prompting so that they too become Gods elect.It is not in the hands of man who will be saved and who will inhabit the kingdom of heaven its in the hands of God.If you ask God to save someone He is the one who actually saves them through Christ Our Lord.

So the next time you pray for someone to get saved know that God has the power and the right to take away that persons self-determination as He makes it His determination that their eyes and hearts are opened to the Gospels Good News so that they may come to Christ and be saved.

And we have confidence by faith that God not only hears our prayer but He acts as well according to the riches of His glory.
meow33744
23279 posts

3/14/2009 11:09 am

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As long as there is breath in the body, there is hope for the soul it bares.


Fail as I may, attempting to be consistent, saved by grace unto good works, are you?

When we were redeemed, we were called to make disciples, raising them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord, so they in turn may do likewise.

Saying I am sorry is WORTHLESS without real repentance.

True or FALSE ?

Without a personal and intimate relationship with God, how can you ever realize the true identity and person of God?

Continue to be faithful, deliverance is near, obedience must be seen, be an unconditional blessing as He continues to bless you.

This time is short, serve Him well, serving all.

Without exception.

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For me to live is Christ and to die is gain.

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Gordy505
2637 posts 

3/14/2009 11:04 am

 "God can take away that persons self-determination..."
Ummmmmmm.... yeah.... "jonah"... "moses".... Noah (though NOT a great example ) "most all of the prophets"...
Jesus DID say we can SURRENDER or DIE-
OR be chosen-
OR become one of the "elect".
The ELECT are taken OUT FROM AMONG THE CHOSEN- elevated ABOVE all others and given something else to do- that we have yet to understand.
But the point of God "taking away that persons self-determination" IS TRUTH and once done- yer backside is HIS to do with what ever He wants. Literally WHAT EVER HE WANTS. Ain't pretty sometimes.
Addendum to "losing my faith"...

joyblogger
607 posts 

3/14/2009 8:11 am

 AGREE "you are right that you should pray for the salvation of ALL men because salvation is available to ALL that will hear the gospel of salvation and believe and trust it."

AGREE "God has the right to intrude upon a persons rebellion
and overcome it,and draw that person effectively to Him.That is
in essence election."

PRAYER: In the holy name of our Lord Jesus i pray for Calvin, Sue and David Green, that by Your sovereign power, that You take away their confusion, false beliefs, self-determinations and open their hearts, souls and eyes to Your way, Your truth, Your light, Your word so that they will come to Christ and be saved. AMEN

archangel1954
406 posts 

3/14/2009 6:11 am

 You know that the bible says that we are in the dispensation of the grace of God.

Have you ever stopped to think what this proclamation means?

It means that during this time, God is not dispensing wrath on mankind, but rather is DISPENSING grace.

You see that there was a time before the cross that salvation was NOT available to the gentiles UNLESS one became a proselyte to Israel and the jewish religion.

Gentiles were ALIENS , STRANGERS to God and WITHOUT any hope,and WITHOUT God.

Eph:2:11: Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph:2:12: That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

That was in times past.

BUT NOW!!!!!!!!!

Eph:2:13: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

BUT NOW!!!!!!

Ro:3:21: But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

BUT NOW!!!!!!!

Ro:6:22: But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

BUT NOW!!!!!!

Ro: 7 :6: But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

BUT NOW!!!!!!

BUT NOW, God's will is that ALL be saved by believing and trusting in the finished work of the Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ and what He accomplished on that cross for us by His death, burial and resurrection.

SO, CAN God choose some for salvation and some for damnation if He wills? HE CERTAINLY CAN.

HE IS GOD and can do as He will.

But my bible says that His will during this dispensation of His grace is that ALL be saved.

Why must men always complicate the word of God instead of simply believing and trusting it?

Why is it many have such a hard time understanding the littlest words like ALL, BUT NOW, FREE, GIFT, GRACE, FAITH and TRUST?
2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

archangel1954
406 posts 

3/14/2009 5:20 am

 1Tm:2:1: I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

(Do you notice the statement ALL MEN?)

1Tm:2:2: For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

1Tm:2:3: For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

1Tm:2:4: Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

(Do you notice that this says that God's will is that for ALL men to be saved?)

1Tm:2:5: For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1Tm:2:6: Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

( There it is AGAIN. Jesus Christ gave Himself as a ransom for ALL.)

Good post Loki. I think we just need to believe the words on the page. Let the words mean what they say and say what they mean without reading men's preconceived notions into it.

The word of God says that God's will is that ALL men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. What does ALL mean? It means ALL.

You know, scripture must interpret scripture.

Beliefs about salvation being available to SOME,
and NOT available to others, must line up with the above scripture that says God's will is that ALL be saved.

So Loki, you are right that you should pray for the salvation of ALL men because salvation is available to ALL that will hear the gospel of salvation and believe and trust it.

You know something Loki?

Men will continually try to boggle your mind with great theological discussions about this, that and the other thing. How proud they are in their own conceit.

2Tm:3: 7 : Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

But these same so-called learned folk with ALL their knowledge, just can't seem to understand the simple word ALL.

Grace and Peace, archangel
2Co:4:3 KJV: But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

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