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Freeman81
(Bruce )
67M
945 posts
10/1/2006 3:19 pm

Last Read:
11/1/2006 2:11 am

The Passion of Christ...

On my soap box again...

The movie ‘The Passion of Christ’in my view depicts the crucifixion as a tragedy!

But was it though?

If we view the crucifixion of Jesus as a tragedy don’t we rob ourselves of fully experiencing the most amazing act of love ever shown in the history of the whole world?

Lets think about it for a moment…

If Jesus hadn’t died for us we would have had no choice but to perish forever.

What are your thoughts?


TheTropical_Guy
(Dennis )
68M

10/1/2006 4:02 pm

I concentrate on the resurrection. The movie didnt even depicit that. I watched it but the more I studied it, the more I realized how messed up it was. The Catholic Cultism came through in it making Mary look so Powerful and Jesus relying on her.

Personally...I wouldnt watch it again.


Freeman81 replies on 10/1/2006 5:18 pm:
Wow! Yes well we all see things so differently, Don't we?

eli_777
(Eli )
62F

10/1/2006 7:22 pm

And here, his wisdom starts

I have beeen soooo waiting for you to start posting good things like this !!!!

okay (rolls up sleeves, bent over keyboard and starts manically typing....)....

For me, there is no way around it.
The crucifixition WAS a tragedy.... that had to happen.
Jesus cried.
Jesus wept.
His family and friends cried and wept.
Depths of despair
Hope against hope of believing in the miracle coming to pass of the words He had spoken to them.... and in a blur, no one quite understood what He had told them... but He had given signs and signals that He would have to have this tragedy, to enable the new beginning, to begin.
Even He, had to die to himself.... He had to die for all of us.... the tragedy that was ordained when God had to sacrifice His Son, for us.
Thats not a tragedy ???? In my eyes, it is.
But.... here comes the best bit huh..............
OUT OF THE TRAGEDY....... came Glory and Love and Victory and Celebration. His tragedy, has saved many of us from our own tragedy.
There is always a purpose for death.....
I know a lot of people dont see it that way or believe that, but I do.... death is a tragedy to those left behind...... and God can use all tragedies to bring His goodness, His Glory, His Mercy... and it ushers in the full power of His Love.
blah blah blah lol...... I know what Im trying to say, ...
His tragedy, God turned into Victory ! Without the tragedy, there would be no Victory.
HALLELUJAH JESUS FOR THE BLOOD YOU SPILT FOR ALL OF US
WE HONOUR YOU AND GIVE YOU OUR HEARTFELT THANKS FOR THE TRAGEDY YOU BORE, SO WE WOULDNT HAVE TO.... YOU GAVE US THE VICTORY INSTEAD.

Thats how I saw the Passion of Christ movie

~ contending for the truth ~
...eli...


Freeman81 replies on 10/1/2006 8:19 pm:
Fantastic response eli, you make very valid points and that is all true… But can I ask, does a coin have two sides? Is a cup half full or half empty?

So many people I have spoken to seem to look at the negative side only. With the crucifixion many so ponder it strongly from the negative stand point that they want to blame and point the finger at Judas or the Jews or even the Romans for murdering God. Than ultimately those feelings and attitudes spill over and get directed to their own brothers and sisters in Christ.

As I was growing up I had a very legalistic, judgemental bias to the Christian message, O I was preached at about the love and grace of God but I discovered that the real truth of what’s in the heart always shows itself it ones attitudes and actions. So I grew up with a view of my Heavenly Father as this being with long flowing hair with beard to match, looking down his nose at me saying ‘If I must accept you I must, after all My Son died for you’.

Praise God that over the past few years He is changing my view of Him.

In John 10:17-18 Jesus says “The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life-only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." NIV

Truth is that this was all planed by God (our loving Heavenly Father) way before He created the world. Rev 13:8b says that …the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. Prov 8:22-31 says "The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world. I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence, rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind. NIV

I’m just so grateful that He looked from before time began and saw me born with out hope and loved me so much that He did the only thing He could to save me. He died in my place, motivated by the most amazing, perfect love. GOD IS AWESOME!

serannade
(Netty )
58F

10/1/2006 7:45 pm

I never watched the movie, I dont want to.....

I am brought to tears sometimes when I meditate on the death of Jesus,

But I know that it was the Fathers will to bring salvation to all of us, and Jesus willingly went to the cross, so we could be united with HIM........

It is pure love and unselfisness....
What Jesus did for us we can never fathom, but we can open our arms and embrace the total forgiveness and love poured out to us ...

What a wonderful God we serve...


Netty

Lying in bed would be a truely supreme experience if only I had a coloured pencil long enough to draw on the ceiling


eli_777
(Eli )
62F

10/1/2006 8:33 pm

isnt it odd... so many people who watched that movie, told me that it was horrible, etc

I bought the movie, sat down and watched it about 3 times by myself, and through it all, asked Jesus, what do you say about this movie.

I felt tears sting my eyes, my heart was wrenched, but also and simultaneously, there was a well of Love that rose up in me, a proudness of what He has done, whom He is.... it was truly a beautiful movie in my eyes, in that, I saw just how deeply Jesus suffered for us.

What a far cry from the lame pictures and stories of Jesus, where He is portrayed as just have pins stuck in his side (so to speak) and saying "oh ouchie".

I actually sat down with all my three children, and watched it, the fourth time I watched it. Before that, I explained things to them.

I guess, we saw it through a different perspective and different eyes..... when my children saw this, they knew their daddy had already gone to heaven, and this movie,(as was my prayer) cemented in them, just how much Jesus loved their daddy, that He went through all that, so daddy could be with Jesus in heaven now, today.

We saw it through the eyes of a deep, passionate love story.
The tragedy that turned out to be a celebration, after all.

I guess Bruce, see, I did not grow up with knowing God or His love at all ( [post 45791] ) ...... and so when I discovered the power of Jesus, the Love of God, the depths of His love, in that, they werent just words, nor were they shallow..... but He went to death, to find our hearts and give us the gift of Life.... eternally.
And the beautiful thing about all of this......is that God reaches us, where we are, according to our understanding and comprehension of our hearts at the time. THAT is His amazing Grace eh....

I just cant get over that. The greatest love story, ever told

~ contending for the truth ~
...eli...


Aslan17
(Jeff S)
63M

10/1/2006 8:49 pm

"The Passion of the Christ" was one of the greatest movies ever made about Jesus. Some complained that it was not a good representation
of the full ministry of Jesus. My reply to that was "It wasn't supposed to be!" It was the most detailed account of the suffering of Christ ever put on film. Its true that it does not show more than a glimpse of the resurrection, but it does show that the suffering was not in vain, that it ended in victory. More believers should study what the cross accomplished in detail. How the suffering of Jesus fulfilled all the requirements of God's justice.
But what moved me most about "The Passion" was that is showed the price that was paid on our behalf. The suffering was real, the pain
was real, the blood was real. It was hard to watch, it was brutal,
it was honest and the truth of it was profound.It is not a movie to
watch casually, but prayerfully.
It is not the full story, but concentrating only on the resurrecton
is like tuning in for the moment when the marathon runner crosses the finish line. Its great, but its not the whole story.
btw-welcome to BC
Jeff

We are what we believe we are.
C. S. Lewis


CaringTeacher 75F
1925 posts
10/1/2006 8:50 pm

Thank you so much for sharing. I'm looking forward to more you have to say.

LeAnne
Gracious, Merciful, Compassionate


urputerluverboi
(Peter McLachlan)
53M

10/2/2006 1:33 am

It was great to see a hollywood movie that depicted the truth truthfully. It never even occurred to me that there would be christians who didn't approve of it. I was very moved to see my saviour crucified, and I understand that the film managed to sneak the truth into Muslim territory also.


eli_777
(Eli )
62F

10/2/2006 4:31 am

Amen CL.... Amen

~ contending for the truth ~
...eli...


eli_777
(Eli )
62F

10/2/2006 4:36 am

    Quoting urputerluverboi:
    It was great to see a hollywood movie that depicted the truth truthfully. It never even occurred to me that there would be christians who didn't approve of it. I was very moved to see my saviour crucified, and I understand that the film managed to sneak the truth into Muslim territory also.
wow..... Peter, that is a VERY good point....
Amen, and... Amen
God bless u bro


~ contending for the truth ~
...eli...


Freeman81 replies on 10/2/2006 6:30 am:
Yes a very good point and many Muslims are coming to know Christ more now than ever before.

Rebekka 77F

10/3/2006 4:34 am

I need to watch it again because the first time I was crying so hard through it all I missed so much of it. I can not even think of how they tortured my Beloved without sobbing my heart out.
Come to think of it, NO! I do not want to see it again!
Welcome

Elizabeth


Rebekka 77F

10/4/2006 5:37 am

    Quoting  :

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.............and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

Elizabeth


Freeman81 replies on 10/4/2006 5:39 pm:
Yes! John 1 & 14...

Freeman81 replies on 10/4/2006 5:41 pm:
YES! John 1:1 & 14

Ladywolf63 60F

10/4/2006 7:13 am

Ok, The Passion of Christ needed to be filmed and brought to the public. As for the glass being half full or half empty, let's face it, it has WATER! Yeh. Mel Gibson took alot of huff for filming this but he said he was called. He is not perfect but I believe he answered the calling. The scenes are rough, they stir up angry tears, but also joy. Many like to candy wrap what Jesus went through but he went through alot, i those time it was brutal, and it humbles me so much to know he did this for me full of sin and all and I can rejoice knowing that his pain has ended and oneday mine too and the many i love and hold dear to me. If you did not feel overwhelming emotions and a justified anger over the way he was treated we would not be christians. Just my thoughts. By the way, great blog and amazing comments. God Bless you greatly and may his face always shine upon you, your sis in christ, marylou


Ladywolf63 60F

10/4/2006 7:22 am

Note, look at the violence out there in movies, games, internet, an the news and real life. My kids watched it with me 3 times. The line going into the movies was amazingly long. Praise God. So many shows were sold out, what a huge blessing........Amazed. My mom was a bit shocked I took my 9 and 11 year old but I told her they want to know Jesus more and they read their bibles and even serve the homeless, and also they have seen(to my fault and others) much more graphic violence. They prayed more too after seeing it. As a teacher, this movie is a visual aid. It is how we learn many times that much better. God bless you, and Eli, amazing blogs sister., yours in christ, marylou


Freeman81 replies on 10/4/2006 6:26 pm:
Dear Marylou

Thankyou for your wonderful/insightful contribution to this blog, I agree with you.
I hope I haven’t given the impression that I disapproved of the film because it’s quite the opposite. When I came out of the movie I was feeling (as in you words) “stirred up with angry tears, but also joy”.

I saw the film a few years ago now and I’ve been processing my emotions and responses to it ever since. At first I was stirred up with anger towards those Jewish leaders at the time who rejected Him and handed Him over to the Romans to crucify Him.

But Rom 5:6-8 says; You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. NIV,

“At just the right time,” I’ve thought about that and realised that Jesus was crucified at the most brutal time in all of recorded history. He bore in His body ALL the sin and hatred that could express itself in the most painful and humiliating physical form. He went to the deepest depths of pain, suffering and humiliation. Then some time after I’d see the film I read that Mal Gibson was quoted as saying that “I film my own hands driving the nails into Jesus hands as my acknowledgement that it was my own sin being expressed through those who actually crucified Him.

I’m still pondering all that that encompasses…

As for Mal I reckon he’s a top bloke and I do not support the vilification he has been dealt recently over his know weakness. He has apologised for it so why the witch hunt! I totally disapprove and say bless you Mal and thank you for being obedient to the Lords call and doing such a wonderful job of the film “The Passion of Christ”

redbird1122 66F
1581 posts
10/4/2006 9:20 am

We all need to remember both the pain and suffering He endured on the cross and the victory of His resurrection. Whatever one must do, whatever He has put into their hearts, to stay faithful and in Him is right for them. Whether it be in remembering the sacrifice He made on the cross or the new life He lives, sitting on the throne in Heaven.

When I saw this movie, I saw the closest depiction of the true sufferings of Christ I have ever seen. I believe that people needed to know the truth of the agony He went through for them. I know that many were brought to salvation through viewing it.

Yes, it was a tragedy, that God in His infinite wisdom, knew before He ever created us that we would dissappoint Him, but loved us and wanted us so badly, that He created us anyway and put a plan in place beforehand, to redeem us from our own self-destructive ways.

Ephesians 6:13 . . .and having done all, to stand


Freeman81 replies on 10/4/2006 6:28 pm:
AMEN, AMEN and AMEN!!!

FaithGirl4Him2 67F

10/4/2006 11:15 pm

Hal-le-lu-yah
Hal-le-lu-yah
Halleluyah
Halleluyah
Hal-a-ay-lu-YAH!!!

Handel's (or Handal??) Messiah was always a great synopsis of the resurrection and the crucifiction...

I did not go to see that movie, I am however planning on going to see "One Night With the King" when it finally comes out....


Godsgrayce 53F

10/7/2006 8:53 am

I thought the movie was amazing. I think it truely showed what Jesus endured for the stupid and awful sin in my life. It humbled me and I cried like a little baby. It brought to my attention how very, very real it was.....how it happened, how real the pain he felt was, how he did it for me - and of course everyone. But as I was watching it I just kept thinking about how blessed and utterly unworthy we are to be given this beautiful gift of Jesus. What he did on the cross - and before he was put up there, was the ultimate. Would I do that for people who didn't believe in me, hated me, or even loved me??? Wow! I don't think I could. But he did. What an amazing God we serve!!


Freeman81 replies on 10/7/2006 3:18 pm:
O AMEN Godsgrayce ‒ How right you are

Bless you and thank you for dropping in

Your bro, Bruce

christian771
(jane p)
65F

10/8/2006 3:53 am

i think that the pain and unbeleivable sorrow i felt in the passion of the christ, should be in our thoughts always , then we would truley appreciate what this man called jesus did for us.


Freeman81 replies on 10/8/2006 9:06 am:
O I totally agree Jane, it keeps our hearts tender toward Him as we ponder the depths to which He went for us doesn’t it. And it can sure help us when we are feeling in victim mode and sorry for ourselves sometimes to also know how valuable we are to Him ‘Greater love has know man then he lay down his life for his friends’…

Bless you Jane and a very BIG welcome to the Land of blog

Radiant34
(Josetta G)
58F
883 posts
10/10/2006 3:01 pm

I watched the movie with a dear sister in her house; never had the courage to look at it by myself. From the beginning though I felt peace. When Jesus prayed in the garden of Gethsemane I felt myself praying with Him. I could feel the Holy Spirit protecting Him and covering Him with a seal. It was a strange thing that happened; but through this Holy Spirit sealing Jesus with His Love I also felt protected and embraced by His Love. Of course I was moved by the moving, heartache moments; but I felt never in too much despair or depression by what I saw. During the cruxifiction though I had tears in my eyes; but He uphold me through the end and sent me company: the dog of my friend came laying on my lap that very moment. Awww, how wonderful animals can feel that you need extra comfort!! Halleluyah!

Afterwards when driving home and days later I wondered what kept me so at peace while looking at Jesus' execution... I have no other answer then that even during His extreme pain until death did us part He sent His Holy Spirit to comfort me indeed.. Praise Him!!

And knowing that HE lives right now and intercedes for us is the most wonderful assurance that I can think of: He interceeded for me when I watched that movie of the last hours of His live. He knows how sensitive I am. He know how weak I am. He knows how often I couldn't sleep after watching a movie of distress and horror and violence. But this time: He was the One and only that protected my heart and carried ALL for me already... It is finished! AMEN


Freeman81 replies on 10/10/2006 4:50 pm:
WOW! Awesome, thank you Josetta

Yes its like an oxymoron really, really hard to put into words.

A Tragedy and yet Victory and Freedom all at the same time.