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Last Days?
8/16/2006 9:23 pmLast Read: |
I Cor. 13:8-10 Beareth all things, believe th all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away." Some are saying that this part of scripture is where Paul is supposed to be predicting that these things will end prophesy and speaking in tongues will end. "but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease" I asked that if that were the case, then wouldn't this part have to be included as well? "whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away" After all, it is all in the same sentence. I believe it is obvious that he did not mean that knowledge would end, why then would he mean that prophecy and tongues would end? But the only reply I received was: I think you may be misinterpreting what Paul means by knowledge. I believe he means the the Holey Spirit inspired Word of God will no longer be penned. In other words, the ability for any human to add to the Scriptures will shall vanish away. And it has. Which as far as I know not a fact, just an assumption. So it is my understanding that we are to believe that the gifts of the spirit are all passed away. That then would include all of these: Romans 12:6-8 Prophecy Ministry Teaching Exhortation Giving Ruling Showing Mercy Speaking in Tongues Interpretation of Tongues I Corinthians 12:8-10 The Word of Wisdom The Word of Knowledge Faith Healing Miracles Prophecy Discerning of Spirits I Cor 12:28 Apostles Prophets Teachers Miracles Healing Helps Governments Diversities of Tongues God forbid! What then is our hope if faith has passed away? Why then do we strive if teaching is gone and helps and mercy are no more? We fool only ourselves if wisdom and knowledge are forever taken from us. I ask again, how can it be that God would give and then take away? Is there then the possibility that somewhere down the road He will change His mind and take away the grace that He gave? That He will reclaim the sacrifice of His son? Let it never be!!!! God is the same, yesterday, today and forever. His word never fails. We are His and His gifts are ours, today just as yesterday, for our benefit and for His glory. Also how would this scripture and the one in Joel that it refers to, be explained? Ac 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. So if what you folks are saying is true, and the gifts of the Spirit are all gone, have been gone since all the original apostles died and the Bible was completely written, then will one of you please tell me at what point in time we are living since the last days have come and gone? And while we are at it, will one of the folks that say that woman aren't supposed to speak in church please explain why this says a daughter or handmaiden will prophesy? I truly am not trying to argue I am simply trying to make a point. It is quite obvious that there are scriptures that are contradictory to each other. Does that mean that the Bible is in error? NO! A thousand times no. It simply means that there are different tools for different members! God gives according to His will and according to the work that He has for the individual. If you have a gift, Praise the Lord, use it, if you don't, Praise the Lord, 'cause He's given you something different. Stop worrying about what you do or don't have, stop worrying about what your neighbor does or doesn't have and just go about doing the work that the Father has given you to do. Stop worrying about whether it's real or if it's "for" the church today. Stop quibbling about who's right and who's wrong, who's better than who. We are all parts of the same body and we are all necessary. We each have our own work to do and we each need tools that fit the job we have been given. The foot doesn't need glasses and the eyes don't need shoes so if your a foot stop worrying about how glasses work, whether they should or shouldn't be used, how they should be used, if they were meant for todays church or just for the early church. Tend to things that the foot needs to be tending to and let the eyes worry about the glasses. And the eyes need to do the same thing concerning shoes. If we all took the time we spend attacking and tearing down our fellow Christians and used it to bring in the harvest as we have been commissioned to do can you imagine the number of souls that would be saved? Please remember above all that I love you all because you are my family. I am not asking anyone to accept my beliefs, just accept that I am not a heretic or an apostate because of my beliefs. Stop condemning me to hell because I worship differently than you do. Ephesians 6:13 . . .and having done all, to stand 
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8/16/2006 10:41 pm |
Very well said.
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8/17/2006 2:48 am |
Amen!! God bless you...
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8/17/2006 7:16 pm |
Redbird, I support your argument 110%. If the gifts of thr Holy Spirit are already finished, why bother praying for anything; there is no Spirit power to ans. U To my understading, the cessation of the Holy Spirits ministy will occur around the time of the Rapture when All True Believers are taken to be with Jesus in HIs Kingdom Surley, that is just commonsense. Yr borther in His Service.
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8/17/2006 7:39 pm |
Please see the following post. The comments got away from the original post but the post is similar to this one. We are to fight for.....not against.  Elizabeth
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 8/17/2006 10:27 pm |
My sister, you are not a heretic. We are all one in the body of Christ. Faith means we have a gospel to shall and a faith to live by our actions, and this is in contrast to the wishy washy grey Christians who water down the faith to a beautiful hobby, an entertainment social for the weekend or a system of good manners and works. I do not believe any of us fit into this category or we wouldn't devote so much time with trying to convey clearly the message of Jesus as we understand it. Our hearts are in the right place and that is all that matters. The one thing that we must all be mindful and do is to grow to realise that eventually the Catholics -Evangelists need to work toward worshipping together. But we have to remember there are also big differences between us. Evangelicals do tend to minimize the faith and grace aspects. This has been proven in history and is not my opinion. They want to cut out lots of things that Catholics/Lutherans/other protestants believe are essential. We have a big problem about proper authority in the Church. There is still a large amount of distrust and misunderstanding between Evangelicals and those closest to the Catholic Faith. I have friends of the Catholic Faith that have been attending our services at church where I go and I have gone to Pentacostal and or (mild) Charasmatic services as well. In our efforts to work together we must not neglect the real points of division and disagreement which still exist. I find a strong reverence in the Catholic Ceremony as well as the Lutheran Ceremony. I find a spirit filled joy in a Charasmatic Ceremony. Perhaps we can learn from you and you from us. You know up until recently Lutheran and Catholics didn't carry around bibles, this was not encouraged. I know in my family it was dusty on a shelf. Did you know that it is not uncommon to see a Charasmatic not go anywhere without one. Now I have 20. Perhaps Catholics and Lutherans could loosen up a little and see some other aspects that might be able to Glorify God. I know I have because I come from a background of Episcapol and Lutheran and I have seem these things first hand. Well, I am tired and I am going to bed. I hope everyone is blessed and you all sleep well in His everlasting peace tonight. God Bless. BLOG COLOR FOR BEGINNERS
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8/17/2006 10:30 pm |
My sister, you are not a heretic. We are all one in the body of Christ. We have faith and a gospel to shall and a faith to live by our actions, and this is in contrast to the wishy washy grey Christians who watered down faith of a beautiful hobby, an entertainment social for the weekend or a system of good manners and works. I do not believe any of us fit into this category or we wouldn't devote so much time with trying to convey clearly the message of Jesus as we understand it. Our hearts are in the right place and that is all that matters. The one thing that we must all be mindful and do is to grow to realize that eventually the Catholics -Evangelists need to work toward worshiping together. But we have to remember there are also big differences between us. Evangelicals do tend to minimize the faith and grace aspects. This has been proven in history and is not my opinion. They want to cut out lots of things that Catholics/Lutherans/other protestants believe are essential. We have a big problem about proper authority in the Church. There is still a large amount of distrust and misunderstanding between Evangelicals and those closest to the Catholic Faith. I have friends of the Catholic Faith that have been attending our services at church where I go and I have gone to Pentecostal and or (mild) Charismatic services as well. In our efforts to work together we must not neglect the real points of division and disagreement which still exist. I find a strong reverence in the Catholic Ceremony as well as the Lutheran Ceremony. I find a spirit filled joy in a Charismatic Ceremony. Perhaps we can learn from you and you from us. You know up until recently Lutheran and Catholics didn't carry around bibles, this was not encouraged. I know in my family it was dusty on a shelf. Did you know that it is not uncommon to see a Charismatic not go anywhere without one. Now I have 20. Perhaps Catholics and Lutherans could loosen up a little and see some other aspects that might be able to Glorify God. I know I have because I come from a background of Episcopal and Lutheran and I have seem these things first hand. Well, I am tired and I am going to bed. I hope everyone is blessed and you all sleep well in His everlasting peace tonight. God Bless. BLOG COLOR FOR BEGINNERS
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8/17/2006 10:30 pm |
My sister, you are not a heretic. We are all one in the body of Christ. We have faith and a gospel to share and a faith to live by our actions, and this is in contrast to the wishy washy grey Christians who watered down faith of a beautiful hobby, an entertainment social for the weekend or a system of good manners and works. I do not believe any of us fit into this category or we wouldn't devote so much time with trying to convey clearly the message of Jesus as we understand it. Our hearts are in the right place and that is all that matters. The one thing that we must all be mindful and do is to grow to realize that eventually the Catholics -Evangelists need to work toward worshiping together. But we have to remember there are also big differences between us. Evangelicals do tend to minimize the faith and grace aspects. This has been proven in history and is not my opinion. They want to cut out lots of things that Catholics/Lutherans/other protestants believe are essential. We have a big problem about proper authority in the Church. There is still a large amount of distrust and misunderstanding between Evangelicals and those closest to the Catholic Faith. I have friends of the Catholic Faith that have been attending our services at church where I go and I have gone to Pentecostal and or (mild) Charismatic services as well. In our efforts to work together we must not neglect the real points of division and disagreement which still exist. I find a strong reverence in the Catholic Ceremony as well as the Lutheran Ceremony. I find a spirit filled joy in a Charismatic Ceremony. Perhaps we can learn from you and you from us. You know up until recently Lutheran and Catholics didn't carry around bibles, this was not encouraged. I know in my family it was dusty on a shelf. Did you know that it is not uncommon to see a Charismatic not go anywhere without one. Now I have 20. Perhaps Catholics and Lutherans could loosen up a little and see some other aspects that might be able to Glorify God. I know I have because I come from a background of Episcopal and Lutheran and I have seem these things first hand. Well, I am tired and I am going to bed. I hope everyone is blessed and you all sleep well in His everlasting peace tonight. God Bless. BLOG COLOR FOR BEGINNERS
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8/17/2006 10:37 pm |
My sister, you are not a heretic. We are all one in the body of Christ. We have faith and a gospel to share and a faith to live by our actions, and this is in contrast to the wishy washy grey Christians with watered down faith of a beautiful hobby, an entertainment social for the weekend or a system of good manners and works. I do not believe any of us fit into this category or we wouldn't devote so much time with trying to convey clearly the message of Jesus as we understand it. We would all be out partying on a Friday night. Our hearts are in the right place and that is all that matters. The one thing that we must all be mindful and do as we grow is to realize that eventually the Catholics thru the Evangelists need to work toward worshiping together. But we have to remember there are also big differences between us and these things will not just go poof. We are under authority of the Church. Evangelicals do tend to minimize the faith and grace aspects. This has been proven in history and is not my opinion. They want to cut out lots of things that Catholics/Lutherans/other protestants believe are essential. We have a big problem about proper authority in the Church. There is still a large amount of distrust and misunderstanding between Evangelicals and those closest to the Catholic Faith. I have friends of the Catholic Faith that have been attending our services at church where I go and I have gone to Pentecostal and or (mild) Charismatic services as well. In our efforts to work together we must not neglect the real points of division and disagreement which still exist. I find a strong reverence in the Catholic Ceremony as well as the Lutheran Ceremony. I find a spirit filled joy in a Charismatic Ceremony. Perhaps we can learn from you and you from us. You know up until recently Lutheran and Catholics didn't carry around bibles, this was not encouraged and often not allowed. To us you are cultish and to you we are cultish. Is this not the way that it has been throughout our entire History. This is not my opinion but history. I know in my family, the Bible was dusty on a shelf. Did you know that it is not uncommon to see a Charismatic not go anywhere without a bible and the bigger the better. Now I have 20. Perhaps Catholics and Lutherans could loosen up a little and see some other aspects that might be able to Glorify God. I know I have because I come from a background of Episcopal and Lutheran and I have seem these things first hand. Well, I am tired and I am going to bed. I hope everyone is blessed and you all sleep well in His everlasting peace tonight. God Bless. BLOG COLOR FOR BEGINNERS
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8/18/2006 9:39 am |
Myas' mom passed away this morning: Please hold the family up in prayer. She still has people to contact.Mya is such an inspiration because of her deep Love for the Lord. Such a wonderful person and i know those who know her through her blogs are rejoicing that her mother is no longer in pain but in the arms of Jesus. I feel honored and blessed that she took the time to share this. But please go over to her blog and show her your love right now Non-Responsive <---just click God Bless You for loving her!
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8/19/2006 4:25 pm |
I'm with you sister, you just said it so much better than I. God says I am the Lord and I change not! He is the same yesterday, today and forever! Amen! He is not a man that He should lie. When He says something is ours it is ours. He says the gifts and callings are beyond repentence. If He took all these gifts away, wouldn't that make Him a liar of sorts. If we can't trust God to keep His Word, who in the world can we trust? He says the Holy Ghost is a gift, what if He should decide to take that Gift away. God forbid! Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Bless you sister for you are a blessing to me. Keep on keeping on in the name of Jesus. Elizabeth
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