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Wormdust
5/15/2006 12:34 am

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This area of sexuality is grossly misunderstood. The Christian community has woefully failed to address this area in an effective manner and minister to those who have problems with homosexuality.

Unfortunately, the approach to those caught up in homosexuality has been one of judgment and condemnation. We have failed to adequately deliver the pure Gospel to the "Gay and Lesbian" community in a language they can understand.

Often the person caught up in homosexuality hears an abundance of criticism with no offer of practical spiritual help or explanation of how to change. Gays don't really need to hear how bad they are, they have lived with the concept of being condemned for who they are most of their lives.

Like other people, Gays don't delineate who they are from what they do. The thought process may go something like, "I have those feelings, and therefore I must be gay. Others hate me because I am gay and I don't even like myself. In addition, I can't stand the deceit of pretending to be something I am not. I might as well be honest about who I am. I am accepted by the gay culture and rejected by straight society. I might as well embrace the gay community because they accept me."

We fail to make a distinction between what we do, what we feel, and who we really are. God didn't make Adam and Jimmy. He created Adam and Eve. If there is something wrong with our lives, we tend to accept that for being what or who we are. The truth is that we all come into this world as damaged people and different from the way God truly created us.

Since the fall in the Garden of Eden, we have all been born into sin and in need of the Savior. Some lives look better than others from the viewpoint of the world. However, not one of us is perfect and able to enter into eternal life except for the redeeming work of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary. He paid the price for us all. "There is no one righteous, not even one." (Romans 3:10)

We can sit around and argue whose sin is more socially acceptable than another. Apart from God's grace and mercy, the smallest problem would be enough to buy any of us a ticket to eternal darkness. On the basis of our best performance, on our best day, not one of us is capable of saving or changing ourselves. If we were, that could only produce self‑righteousness, which the Bible calls "filthy rags." God is the one who does the healing, changing and saving. The key to victory in the area of homosexuality is not simply to stop acting out sexually. That is the way the world responds to sin, and that is a shallow and temporal victory. This method just takes care of the outside.

The Lord has provided a way for our healing and that is to enter into a personal relationship with Him and totally yield to His control. That means we come to Him exactly the way we are. He then covers with His grace those things that are out of order and will enable us to have true fellowship with Him. Then, He changes us into the people we would like to become. He may first change our desires to coincide with His desires.

A spiritual program of recovery has proven to be effective recovery from homosexuality, but that doesn't start by bombarding the gay community with how bad they are. They have probably heard enough of that already, and that approach hasn't worked. It hasn't worked in approaching any other addictions either.

Homosexuality may have been imposed in a person's life through molestation or some other form of victimization. The Bible also talks about generational sin: "Children are afflicted to the third and fourth generation as a result of the sins of their forefathers." There may have been social pressures to push a person in this direction. Whatever pushes us in a harmful direction, may or may not be understood. Like alcohol or drugs ‑‑ we eventually yield to it and it becomes a willing part of our lives.

Individuals in the gay community need to hear the depth and breadth of God's love available to each and every one. Jesus Christ will embrace us with His love - Just the way we are. We don't get good and go to God. We go just the way we are, and with the willingness for Him to deal with our lives as He sees fit. The willingness is our part. The changing is His part. There is no problem that is beyond God's ability to fix and no affliction beyond His healing - No bondage or sin beyond His deliverance and forgiveness.
BeastMster
574 posts 

5/15/2006 3:39 am

You bring up a very interesting point. It really goes way beyond homosexuality. The church has come up with so many programs over the years that seperate the people into so many uneeded groups...seniors over here, married couples here, singles and also the childrens ministries.

It really should not be like this. We can all glean from others because it says when we gather we all have a psalm etc to share.

One of the hard things to realize is that the word also says to not even eat dinner with the sexually immorral brother. I have not really thought about that one.

Any person without Jesus is caught in a cesspool of condemnation. When a person is also caught up in an abomination to the natural then I could imagine that even magnifies much more.

In acts it talks about what does a man gain if he gains the whole world and loses his soul? It is not talking about salvation. The will is in the soul. It is speaking of the reprobate mind. Being in bondage to something and losing your God given freedom of choice.

This is basically what the spiritual condition of homosexuality is.

In Jesus Christ there are no generational curses. He broke the curses. That was part of his work on the cross. However to the unsaved they live in these curses. It is important to understand who is in the New Covenant and who is not. Believers are but non believers are still under the old covenant.

I am not so sure seperate groups to "handle" these situations are necessary. This is no rain on Exodus International, I just deep down believe that every born again believer who has the Holy Spirit is equipped when willing to walk in any gifting as needed.

The same thing that saves the nonhomosexual saves the homosexual. It is God's goodness and kindness that brings all to repentance. It is our free will that we use to receive it or not.

We can not catagorize.

BeastMster
574 posts 

5/15/2006 3:45 am

and I have to add one more thing....It is shoved down peoples throats as an acceptable lifestyle. We are all human. Believers will get sick of it.So it is not a surprise people get upset with all the excuses for it and the continuing exploitation in the media to make people believe it is natural.

Words can be strong....Homophobic implies that if a person disagrees it is out of fear. The Christian disagreement is not out of fear but rather out of understanding Gods word where it is not just called sin. It is called an abomination to God's creation and intent. Pretty strong words.

heartfeltforyou
15529 posts 

5/15/2006 6:30 am

Hello Wormdust,

Excellent post. I totally agree with you. Do you have a ministry to those in sexual bondage? Is God calling you to this area?

The way things are going this is an area that needs to be dealt with in a better way. Not condemnation, not acceptance of the sin either.

Very tricky. Jesus will set the captives free if we don't ruin it first. This is something to pray about. Thanks, Blessings, Heart

Romans 14 verse 5 One person regards one day holier than other days, and another regards them all alike. 3 Each must be fully convinced in his own mind.


Wormdust replies on 5/15/2006 11:12 pm:
Dear Heart,

I am Recovering In Christ… my ministry is only to share my experience, strength and hope with another suffering individual. To this end, God has completely prepared me and provides continuing education each and every day. Each of us has been given this gift and calling – To Reach A Hurting World. Many of us have felt the pain of rejection and abandonment… and have “acted out” to try and feel better, or when that fails, to numb ourselves just so we don’t hurt anymore.

I practice the Biblical 12-Steps, and do not limit them to any particular dependency. My spiritual awakening was to realize that there just wasn’t enough stuff in the world to fill the gaping hole within my sprit… Not enough alcohol, drugs, sex, possessions, money, relationships, religion or people… I tried them all, and nothing worked. I did not become spiritual by intellectual assent or by any effort on my part; on the contrary, it was by default after I tried every other way and was still left alive! God has done for me what I could never have done for myself… to this fact, this incomprehensible and unconditional love; I had to surrender or die. For me it was not a difficult choice!

Tommy

ForsakenOne
(Danny Milligan)

5/15/2006 10:00 am

Tremendous teaching, brother Tommy. The heart of God just flows in your message.

-Danny


Wormdust replies on 5/24/2006 3:25 pm:
Thanks Danny!
You are a blessing to me!

Rebekka

5/15/2006 10:09 am

Jesus loves the sinner but hates the sin! Sin is sin! The Almighty God came in the flesh as Jesus, the sacrificial Lamb and shed His blood to cleanse us from all sin. What can wash my sins away? Nothing but the blood of Jesus!

Elizabeth


Wormdust replies on 5/24/2006 3:24 pm:
There is a fountain!

AMEN Rebekka... thanks

HOPE341947
(JUDY H.)
122 posts 

5/15/2006 2:13 pm

I DID NOT FIND OUT THAT MY SON WAS MOLESTED WHEN HE WAS A PRE-TEEN,UNTIL HE WAS AN ADULT.THE ENEMY...A LOVED AND TRUSTED BROTHER IN LAW.WHEN MY SON TURNED TO THE HOMOSEXUAL LIFE STYLE ,I LET HIM KNOW THAT I LOVED HIM SO MUCH,BUT I WOULD BE IN CONSTANT PRAYER THAT GOD WOULD SHOW HIM THAT IT WAS SIN.HE MOVED FAR AWAY WITH HIS LOVER,BUT GOD DID REACH HIM THERE.THE STORY IS A MARICLE IN ITSELF,BUT I WILL SKIP TO HIS LIFE TODAY.HE IS A CHRISTIAN,MARRIED AND THE FATHER OF MY ONLY GRAND-DAUGHTER.HE TOLD ME A FEW DAYS AGO THAT THERE ARE TIMES THAT HE IS STILL TEMPTED AND TIMES THAT HE IS STILL ATTRACTED TO THE OPPOSITE SEX.I WAS REALLY CAUGHT OFF GUARD AND DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.I TOLD HIM THAT WE ARE ALL TEMPTED.I AM DIVORCED,AND I AM ATTRACTED TO MEN AND I AM TEMPTED TOO.I AM TEMPTED ALSO TO GO SHOPPING AND LOAD UP THE BUGGY WITH THINGS I WANT AND NEED,BUT I KNOW I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY IN THE BANK TO PAY FOR THEM.WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP OVER COMING SIN,PERIOD.SIN IN SOME FORM WILL ALWAYS TEMPT US.WE HAVE TO TRUST THAT GOD WILL HELP US RESIST.WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU HAVE GIVEN? THANKS,JUDY


Wormdust replies on 5/15/2006 10:43 pm:
Judy,

Where there is breath there is life. We can all be reached by the prayers of our loved ones… and I thank God there is no fee for the mileage! It is our privilege to pray for the saints, and the lost. Yet so many of us consider the cost too high… thinking we may be disappointed, or that nothing really ever changes, or we just don’t have the time… Ask yourself where you would be if no one had prayed for you?

The most powerful change initiated by prayer occurs not to the one prayed for, but to the one who is obedient in trusting God and making the sacrifice of prayer to Him. Trusting God enough to pray to Him on the behalf of others is a pure form of worship and praise that God adores. Seeing God work in the lives of others increases our level of faith, and allows us to surrender ever more to His will. This process will conform us into the image of Christ. My prayer is that we all get what we need, not what we want.

Thank you for your testimony of faith, and the example of God’s awesome love for us. In Christ the war is over, the battle has been won. The darts may fly, the lion may roar, but we remain victorious when clothed with Christ, surrendered to Him. We only run into trouble when we think we can “do it” or we “should be able to do it” on our own.

Tommy

oceanmoonstone
(Maria M.)
301 posts 

5/15/2006 10:32 pm

Very interesting and diverse comments, Tommy! We knew this would have BC stirring! You know how I feel. I feel the same as Judy (HOPE34197). Prayers and letting a love one know that temptation exists among those of us who are not homosexual! We as Christians have to fight those temptations and do what is morally right!...

I, amazingly enough, also agree with BeastMstr and know you have mentioned to me the division into little groups at church. I understand fellowshiping with those who have similar views but to put us in a position that we must only socialize with Singles, Married Couples, Wives, Husbands, etc...can be enough to drive a person crazy!!...Aren't our focus the same~~the word of God!!?? Why is it at BC you are Divorced at 46 (don't mean to rub it in) can get along fine with people who are Married, Divorced at 30 something, people who seek Prayer or Bible Study Partners at any age, Men, Women, Young, Old, Seeking or Waiting on a Life Partner, etc...? I get frustrated in the divisions within the church and do not see how they truly help those who need God's Guidance! Each person has a different opinion and take on life. Whose to say someone Widow at 62 can't find comfort in what lessons that someone Single at 20 might have learned? Through Christ anything is possible. You are never too old or too young to seek/receive counseling from people of all different backgrounds...And you are never too old or too young to learn from one another!...I pray for us and those who are fighting a battle within themselves on their sexuality (including my sister). I agree with Elizabeth (Rebekka), too! "Love the Sinner, but Hate the Sin!" That goes for all! Love one another even though the current path traveled is not of God's will...

I have been blessed to know and become friends with so many here and have learned much more than I could have ever imagined from a number of people of different makeup and backgrounds. I have been humbled, lifted up, and educated! And it has been an experience that I shall never forget!

By His Grace,
Maria


Wormdust replies on 5/15/2006 11:26 pm:
Hi Maria,

Check out this new post: RELIGION DOESN'T WORK

Would you like to "Wok & Roll" with me?
Tommy

oceanmoonstone
(Maria M.)
301 posts 

5/15/2006 11:40 pm

Quote from Wormdust: "Hi Maria, Check out this new post: RELIGION DOESN'T WORK
Would you like to "Wok & Roll" with me? Tommy"


I'm not sure what you are asking, but it sounds like fun!! ...But now to check out the new post! Maria

BeastMster
574 posts 

5/16/2006 2:47 am

Maria it takes balance. If you look at most countries social systems that attempt to come up with plans to supposedly help people...well they come up with too many laws and they micromanage things way too much.

We do not need a ton of laws. Just some common sense. Many times we try and make our bad situation in life much worse than others. I look and see in society homosexuals crying out for laws to be made to "protect" them. Give them special priviledges. That is just wrong.

Now here I get the feeling it is the same thing in the church that is supposed to be happening. Jesus died for the sin of the World. All sin. All people. That is what is needed to be understood. Jesus Christ is everyones answer. I have friends that are homosexual. We do not go there on the discussion because we know we disagree.

It is a spiritual condition just like many other conditions. The hardeset thing for people to overcome is guilt and shame. In Christ, if we truely understand what his finished work is, we realize what he did for us. Who we are in him and we can have peace in that.

If you wish to be treated normally, approach life normally. God gave you all the faith you will ever have when you received Christ. Nurturing it and allowing it to flow into all areas o your life is a lifetime proposition.

That is one of the great things about true fellowship with other believers. Sharing how he did it in you. That is why the division in so called groups is bad. If all is one group then there will be a person in that one group that you can relate to. What good is a group with only people with the same issues and no answers?

cathy67
(Cathy )
37 posts 

5/16/2006 3:39 pm

Cool.Thanks for writing this.

Thank God for the cross.


Wormdust replies on 5/24/2006 3:22 pm:
Thanks Cathy, I shutter to think where would we be without that cross!!

oceanmoonstone
(Maria M.)
301 posts 

5/17/2006 2:52 am

    Quoting BeastMster:
    Maria it takes balance. If you look at most countries social systems that attempt to come up with plans to supposedly help people...well they come up with too many laws and they micromanage things way too much.

    We do not need a ton of laws. Just some common sense. Many times we try and make our bad situation in life much worse than others. I look and see in society homosexuals crying out for laws to be made to "protect" them. Give them special priviledges. That is just wrong.

    Now here I get the feeling it is the same thing in the church that is supposed to be happening. Jesus died for the sin of the World. All sin. All people. That is what is needed to be understood. Jesus Christ is everyones answer. I have friends that are homosexual. We do not go there on the discussion because we know we disagree.

    It is a spiritual condition just like many other conditions. The hardeset thing for people to overcome is guilt and shame. In Christ, if we truely understand what his finished work is, we realize what he did for us. Who we are in him and we can have peace in that.

    If you wish to be treated normally, approach life normally. God gave you all the faith you will ever have when you received Christ. Nurturing it and allowing it to flow into all areas o your life is a lifetime proposition.

    That is one of the great things about true fellowship with other believers. Sharing how he did it in you. That is why the division in so called groups is bad. If all is one group then there will be a person in that one group that you can relate to. What good is a group with only people with the same issues and no answers?
Beastmstr,

I have many friends here in FL and a sister who are homosexual. They have chosen that lifestyle and consequences for their choice. I do not believe in making laws to give them special privileges in same sex marriage or receiving health coverage for same sex significant other at their place of employment; and I don't abide with over-displaying affections for one another from hetero- or homosexuals. If you aren't married, it shouldn't happen anyways. My sister knows my heart. She knows my beliefs. I love her very much and pray for her all the time. She and her partner are different from others I have met. They both believe in God and both are conservative in most of their views. They do not display affection publicly. They do not believe homosexuals should be married or receive health care for same sex partner at the workplace. But they lack in submitting themselves to God and allowing Him to do His will. I have more hope for them than I do with friends who are also homosexuals. But I pray for all who struggle with this.

Now, on to the last paragraph, I think you hit it on the nail! God created us to love all...not just the people who are the same age, sex, race, etc...He wanted us to learn from our adversities and to testify on His behalf the incredible love He has shown us during such adversities. He remains unwavering when it comes to His children!

God Bless To All,
Maria

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