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our names are written in the Lamb's book of life..did He write them there just as we accepted Him in repentance..no they have always been written there..for all time...have any been blotted out by any trasgression on our part, including suicide...no none has been blotted out..conclusion..our names have been and always will be in that book...once saved, always saved and my prayer for you is that God open your eyes shine His light on your mind so that you can accept this most wonderful,precious valuable truth
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Well stated carolinehampton. Have you wondered about Judas? Afteral, he did return the money and I have often wondered whether that was an act of contrition. granted he is called the son of perdition but I wonder if . . . Life is too short not to be nice.
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armsofchrist - caroline stated well the question of once saved always saved. There are those who believe that to remain saved we must work out our salvation in fear and trembling. I am however not quite settled on this subject as I do believe both are true. Can we undo the work of God? Most likely not but we can certainly hinder it by our actions. What I like most about God is that it really does not depend on us but on him. God is God and it is he who takes care of us and nudges us when we need such. There is so much that really cannot be fully known but that bothers us and not God. I think maybe that the working out our salvation is not what keeps us saved but rather is there for us so we fully participate in what it means to be saved while we are here on earth. God is by nature responsible and if we are made in his image and likeness then we need to become responsible and I think this is how God allows us to participate in our salvation. (Boy, I hope that makes sense.) Life is too short not to be nice.
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I think you'll find mindispower that Judas Iscariot is not and never has been and never will be written in the Lamb's book of Life
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I agree mindispower that God allows us to participate in our salvation in that He is the Life giving waters and we are the containers He puts them in when we receive Him through repentance and faith but He was the craftsman who made the containers to be able to receive Him as well. am I making myself clear
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6/2/2006 2:35 am |
lets start a suicide cult, so we can all get to heaven together.
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livingscrafice that comment is not and never will be welcome here or anywhere so I had to report you for abuse again
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6/2/2006 4:15 am |
My thoughts are a little different. I'm not in the "once saved always saved" camp. My thoughts are probably hard to take if you've lost someone from suicide, so please read with caution. Mark 3:29 says "whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of eternal sin." Blasphemy is basically saying "you are not who you say you are and you are not able to do what you say you can" and isn't that what suicide is- it's like saying "God, you cannot get me through this and you are not enough for me, so I'm taking this into my own hands." When I was in high school and college I went through a very dark time and I very seriously entertained suicide, I was in the "once saved always saved" camp until God revealed this to me. We don't know the answer to the question and we will drive ourself crazy to try and answer it. I am hesitating sending this through, because I don't want to cause you pain, but then I'm thinking that believing something falsely can also hurt. Ulitmately we don't know where God stands on this. I wish I could go with the "He forgives", perhaps it comes down to the motive with it more than anything. So now my head is swimming with thoughts. And when it comes down to it, where a loved one who has "passed on" is spending eternity isn't something we can change. Their fate is sealed, but we are to focus on the here and now, of loving Him, of serving, of bringing as many people as we can along with us to Heaven. I'm sorry if this causes pain, it's not my intention at all, I'm just having trouble conveying what I believe, it's such a "hot" topic. Please forgive me if I have wounded you in the way I have presented this but not in what I believe to be the truth. Sharyl
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6/2/2006 4:24 am |
There is nothing in the Bible that says a believer will lose his/her salvation upon committing suicide.
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6/2/2006 5:08 am |
our names are written in the Lamb's book of life..did He write them there just as we accepted Him in repentance..no they have always been written there..for all time...have any been blotted out by any trasgression on our part, including suicide...no none has been blotted out..conclusion..our names have been and always will be in that book...once saved, always saved and my prayer for you is that God open your eyes shine His light on your mind so that you can accept this most wonderful,precious valuable truth Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from slain from the foundation of the world. Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.  Elizabeth
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6/2/2006 9:35 am |
lets start a suicide cult, so we can all get to heaven together.
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I think Beastmaster has explained it most eloquently and I can agree with fullofjoyeternal that blasphemy...which is disbelief in God alienates the person from God. I think why she has trouble combining the two ideas is that she hasn't yet realized the one who's name is not found in the Lamb's book of life is the one that is a blasphemer. Another title for a blasphemer is a permanent unbeliever..which Rebekka has given very appropriate references for
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6/2/2006 11:08 am |
well, I am wondering if this IS something to be discussed in public. Also, please, no one worry about offending me, anyone. As much as I feel I got my answer somewhere last nite, I still welcome all your comments. As for LS: it's really quite sad to see his posts. God will deal with him. (only someone miserable would say the things he says - he can't hurt me) fullofjoyeternal: you have not offended me. I would love to speak with you more about it. Can you email me? NOTE TO ALL: "Don't take your gift of grace for granted and treat it lightly; having faith means maintaining it; not putting it away. Don't let satan decieve you in your walk. We often see God as a merciful, loving God. But the Lord is a god to be feared; and he is a JUST god. If we continue to seek Him, and ask for HIS Wisdom, He will give it freely...stay in His Word." I love all of my brothers and sisters in Christ! Thanks for caring and sharing!
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I think you'll find mindispower that Judas Iscariot is not and never has been and never will be written in the Lamb's book of Life Life is too short not to be nice.
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I agree mindispower that God allows us to participate in our salvation in that He is the Life giving waters and we are the containers He puts them in when we receive Him through repentance and faith but He was the craftsman who made the containers to be able to receive Him as well. am I making myself clear Life is too short not to be nice.
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6/14/2006 8:43 pm |
i believe that when the Ten Commandments says , Thou shall not kill, it's refering to, each other, if you are included in the House of Israel. Not to kill each other off, because they were the people of God. But Moses did go and kill other's who were not of the House of Israel. But if one was to take their own life , only God knows what he would.
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6/16/2006 1:07 am |
interesting that you brought that up BeastMstr. For it seems to me that Christ didn't come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. Jesus said, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Til heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, til all be fulfilled" (Mat. 5:17-1  ."This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord. I will put my laws [plural] into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them" (Heb. 10:16). In the OT it was "an eye for an eye" and adultery was physical. However, when Christ came it tightened the reigns. No more "eye for an eye" but to love your enemies, and adultery became about just upon lusting at someone with your heart. "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord. I will put my laws [plural] into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them" (Heb. 10:16). The true Church is the "Israel of God" (Gal. 6:16). "If ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the [Old Covenant] law" (Gal. 5:1 .We are not under the old covenant but under grace. But are we to sin, GOD FORBID. We now have the Holy Spirit to indwell IN us and a sacrifice to end all sacrifices. We are living by grace under the New Covenant. Grace is the desire and power to do God's will. In the Gospel of John, God tells us that "the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ" (1:17). because we are not under the Law, does this mean that we can do what we want to? The inspired apostle Paul said, "Sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the [Old Covenant] law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid" (Rom. 6:14-15). Narrow is the gate and few will find it...being lukewarm is not acceptable in God's eyes. Is backsliding allowed? Yes. but we are to endure to the end and hang on to our FAITH. Lastly, what did Jesus mean when He said, "If ye love me, keep my commandments" (John 14:15)? While we are not under the Old Covenant Law there are New Testament commandments. We are commanded to obey God in these things that are clearly written in the New Testament. If we do not obey these commandments it is irrefutable proof that we do not love Jesus Christ. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I think that Christian teachings have watered down the truth to God's word. The more I read it, the more I abhore the teaching that I was taught. And although sin is sin and a crime is a crime, each crime is punishable upon cause; for not all are the same. To me, the NT is clear on these things and what makes a believer a TRUE believer vs. a "lukewarm" believer. God spits out those that are lukewarm. How often do we take Him for granted and not treat Him as the God He is?
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6/22/2006 12:17 am |
thanks beastmster. Likewise! 
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6/27/2006 2:52 pm |
sorry beastmster, I deleted your post. I appreciate it, but I've read all sorts of articles and such and was not looking for a lengthy opinion of scripture from another man. As the post starts out, I was really looking for life stories... I did have one such lady email me her's, about how God had spoken to her. Thanks anyways!
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