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Is It Okay for Christians to Drink Alcohol?
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4/1/2006 8:01 am |
The Word of God speaks about drunkeness not drinking. Eph 5:18 And be not drunk, with wine, wherein, is excess- but be filled with the Spirit;  Elizabeth
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4/1/2006 8:07 am |
I think this is an area where each person needs to decide that for themselves, with the exception of drunkeness. I think these are some of the areas to consider; 1. If you think it's sin, it is and you should avoid it. 2. If it would cause someone to be tempted to sin or sin, it should be avoided, ie- around someone who has cleaned themself up from an addiction to alcohol. 3. If it's keeping you from doing what you know you should do. (Going on Sat and not being able to get to church on Sun.) Personally I do drink occasionally, but I don't drink when I'm around my sister who is a recovering alcoholic. I don't use it as a crutch as escapism. I may have a glass of wine for dinner if I go out but that's about it.
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4/1/2006 9:01 am |
I think it's OK to drink, as long as I don't get drunk. I know some don't see it that way. A couple of years ago some fellow youth group leaders and I went to the local rodeo here. There were 5 of us and we each ordered a can of beer. To carry it, they just gave it to us in the 12-pack box. So, we drank our beer. About an hour later, someone went down and got us another one - same thing, in the 12 pack box, but only 5 beers. Well, we're pretty loud and laugh a lot anyway, but people thought we were drunk - which we weren't!! But, we had those 2 12-pack boxed sitting next to us. I guess some of the kids and parents complained to our pastor and we got called into the ole office. Two of the leaders actually quit because of this - not me - because they said they wanted to be able to have a beer now and then without the fear of who was watching. I agreeed, but I also said we should have probably thrown away the boxes, it just looked bad. I can see both sides. But now, I still look around if I got out for dinner and have a beer, or even if I am having friends over and buy some at the store. I'm always afraid of how it looks. I NEVER want anything I do be a reason for someone to stumble in their walk. Even non-Christians - if they saw us at that rodeo and thought we were drunk, what kind of example and testimony is that???? I voted for #4 - It's ok - just not drunk.
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4/1/2006 10:06 am |
I voted "other" on this even though I do think it's okay for a Christian to drink. I think it has to be a personal decision. Personally, I choose not to drink. I will allow other adults to drink in my home, as long as they don't expect me to supply their alcohol. I grew up with alcoholics raising me. When I was a young adult, I started feeling strange. So, I went to the doctor. He told me that, in effect, I was a dry alcoholic. He said that since both my parents are recovering alcoholics, I have a high chance of becoming an alcoholic if I choose to drink. That's not why I chose not to drink though. My choice came about because I had to take care of my parents and younger sisters when Mom and Dad were drunk. I remember standing on a chair at the stove to fix dinner for my sisters and I. I didn't want my children to have to deal with that. I decided at age fifteen that I wasn't ever going to drink. I've made the right decision for myself. But, not everyone feels led to make the same decision. I agree with fullofjoyeternal on her three points about drinking. I am more sensitive to reason number two she gives for not drinking. But, that's just my opinion. 
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4/1/2006 10:57 pm |
its not a big deal. I dont drink. I have maybe a strawberry dacqurri or so a year. I will say why drink something that you have to aquire a taste for and why exactly do you drink it in the first place? personally wine makes me sick to my stomach.
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4/2/2006 1:39 am |
I think it can be okay if the person doesn't get drunk, but is dependent on the individual, propensity for addiction, previous alcoholism, health condition, and family history. If the person can to have one and stop, it's okay; but if a person cannot control the amount of liquor, then maybe the person should not even have one.
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4/2/2006 2:15 pm |
It is fine as long as it isn't a vise for you. I rarely drink, but when I do, it is in the company of others and usually for libationary reason only. My vise is my nasty smoking habit!
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4/2/2006 7:04 pm |
I think this is an area where each person needs to decide that for themselves, with the exception of drunkeness. I think these are some of the areas to consider; 1. If you think it's sin, it is and you should avoid it. 2. If it would cause someone to be tempted to sin or sin, it should be avoided, ie- around someone who has cleaned themself up from an addiction to alcohol. 3. If it's keeping you from doing what you know you should do. (Going on Sat and not being able to get to church on Sun.) Personally I do drink occasionally, but I don't drink when I'm around my sister who is a recovering alcoholic. I don't use it as a crutch as escapism. I may have a glass of wine for dinner if I go out but that's about it. Thanks, John
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4/2/2006 8:52 pm |
I'm seconding fullofjoyeternal, too. Excellent comments on her part. Great post, Reallysaved! Grace to you! Carol
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4/2/2006 9:46 pm |
Don't drink- I actually have more fun at gatherings watching other people drinking and falling down, but as a rule I try not to attend those gatherings if I know ahead of time there is going to be drinking.
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4/2/2006 9:54 pm |
there are many different levels of "drunk" i get a good buzz off 2 or 3 beers, and can go to 4 or even 5 without being what one might consider being drunk. the thing of it is...any more than one and i start to weaken my resolve against a lot of other things that i tend to associate with drinking and then am that much more likely to fall. ...any more than two and i tend to fall asleep quickly and my normal night time routine of prayer and praise is shorted ...any more than three and i have a harder wake up in the morning and my morning routine of prayer and praise suffers and my walk with god that following day is much weaker than usual ...any more than four; all of the above, and then my body will reject the poison and give me trouble taking me that much further from my path ...any more than five; and i am drunk and sinning. i don't think i need to do any more research on it. i have been trying to stop at one or two and have been somewhat successful at that. usually.
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4/2/2006 10:56 pm |
The bible speaks about being sober (1 Thes 5:6) and making a difference between clean & unclean, holy and unholy (Lev 10:10). This was a question and not necessarily a concern for me, these are some of the conclusion I have come up with. My choice is not to drink. Being a representative of Christ I can't see where drinking would fit in my lifestyle. Drinking impairs your thinking as well as actions. If an unsaved person, (someone who did not have an intimate relationship with Christ), calls and needs you to come over to minister to them how would you be able to justify to them the alcohol on your breath. Would you try to cover the smell before going? If so, Why? Especially if don't feel anything is wrong with what you are doing. Everything that we as saints do is under a microscope. Has anyone ever said to you "I thought you were saved" or "I thought you were a Christian"? Some are watching because they want us fail and others because they are searching for Christ but not quite sure if He is real, and that is where we come in as ambassadors for Christ. It is not always a matter of whether or not it is a sin but how others (non christians) will perceive what you are doing(Col 8:9). This is a question that each individuals has to find the answer for themselves. The Lord knows all of our hearts and if you will truly seek him regarding this matter he will open your eyes and reveal what His will is for you on this issue. God Bless
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4/3/2006 4:55 am |
I believe a sin will effect you. If you drink and feel like you have done a sin or feel not comfort to drink is because it is a sin !! We can't tell people what is wrong or right all the time. I think it's up to the person to make the decision. Like most of the things in life is between God and you so are this to.
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4/3/2006 6:52 am |
Just a thought here-- Jesus turned water into wine- if alcohol was not allowed by God- why would Jesus have done this? There is a verse (I need to find it) about not giving 'strong drink' to others- such as buying beer or alcohol. I'll have to look it up. I enjoy a strawberry daquieri (?sp)with my lobster- but then again- according to the bible- lobster is a no-no.
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4/3/2006 8:25 am |
It appears to me that we have some compromisers in the body of Christ. spirit realm.
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4/3/2006 1:45 pm |
It appears to me that we have some compromisers in the body of Christ. spirit realm. "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now." John 2:10 NIV Yes, Jesus even made some darn good wine! And, He whipped it up after the cheap stuff (maybe Mad-Dog 20/20) was all gone. Was He a compromiser or was He condoning the use of alcohol for libationary reasons? I don't believe it is a sin to get drunk. I do believe it is drunkenness (alcoholism)that is the sin.
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4/3/2006 5:55 pm |
It appears to me that we have some compromisers in the body of Christ. spirit realm. Sincerely, John Sincerely
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4/3/2006 6:30 pm |
The1Firecracker, You wrote: "Jesus turned water into wine- if alcohol was not allowed by God- why would Jesus have done this?" Different Greek word is used in that passage than is used elsewhere for alcholic wine. Here the word literally means "grapes, jam, or juice". Also, keep in mind that the Jewish culture taught that you drank "sweet wine" [a.k.a. juice] and that fermentation was a symbol of corruption just like yeast was a symbol for sin. Bryan
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4/3/2006 7:41 pm |
So I gotta throw my two cents in since this is something I have struggled with finding the answer. My conslusion is that's it's okay if your not going out to get drunk where it consumes your mind, and your ability to make appropriate decisions. I might go out and have a drink with friends, but I am not going to get drunk, I am not going to let alcohol make my decisions, and I am not going to make alcohol an idol for God says, "Thou shall not have any idols before me." That's my two cents.
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4/3/2006 8:04 pm |
The1Firecracker, You wrote: "Jesus turned water into wine- if alcohol was not allowed by God- why would Jesus have done this?" Different Greek word is used in that passage than is used elsewhere for alcholic wine. Here the word literally means "grapes, jam, or juice". Also, keep in mind that the Jewish culture taught that you drank "sweet wine" [a.k.a. juice] and that fermentation was a symbol of corruption just like yeast was a symbol for sin. Bryan
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4/3/2006 9:17 pm |
Think back to before you became a christian; You saw your Sunday School teacher,who had been trying to get you to accept the Lord,out downing a carton of beer.What would you have thought? I would have thought," what a hypocrite !" To have a glass of wine or beer with a meal is fine. Its your drink of choice. But to continue to indulge in a drink that will change your mood,your attitude,makes you a poor example to non-christians.
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4/3/2006 9:29 pm |
That is correct, Jesus did turn water into wine/juice, and they drank it immediately, He didn't make it and it sat for days on end. To qualify as wine as we know it today doesn't it have to set over a period of time and ferment to be an intoxicating "wine"? Preferring the old wine over the new wine. Luke 5:39. I cannot find where it specifically states not to get drunk, however there are several areas where it states "being sober" 1 Peter 5:8, 1 Thessalonians 5:5-7. The bible tells us to come out from among them and be ye separate, touch not the unclean thing and I will receive you 2 Corinthians 6:17. What glorification does God get out of our drinking what would draw others to him through our drinking. There are several things done in the biblical times that we are not permitted to do, He (God) could not find one to represent, he sent his son Jesus to set the example. Would you feel comfortable kicking it with Jesus with beer/wine/daiquiri? He loves us all and His desire is that NONE of us be lost. We will be lost giving into the lust of our flesh James 1:12-15. No good things comes out of drinking. The devil only needs a little space and over time he will enlarge the area.
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4/3/2006 10:52 pm |
That is correct, Jesus did turn water into wine/juice, and they drank it immediately, He didn't make it and it sat for days on end. To qualify as wine as we know it today doesn't it have to set over a period of time and ferment to be an intoxicating "wine"? Preferring the old wine over the new wine. Luke 5:39. I cannot find where it specifically states not to get drunk, however there are several areas where it states "being sober" 1 Peter 5:8, 1 Thessalonians 5:5-7. The bible tells us to come out from among them and be ye separate, touch not the unclean thing and I will receive you 2 Corinthians 6:17. What glorification does God get out of our drinking what would draw others to him through our drinking. There are several things done in the biblical times that we are not permitted to do, He (God) could not find one to represent, he sent his son Jesus to set the example. Would you feel comfortable kicking it with Jesus with beer/wine/daiquiri? He loves us all and His desire is that NONE of us be lost. We will be lost giving into the lust of our flesh James 1:12-15. No good things comes out of drinking. The devil only needs a little space and over time he will enlarge the area.
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4/3/2006 11:10 pm |
Well after being overseas for almost 3 years including a trip to the Holy Lands lots of places over there the water isn't fit to drink and so yes drinking of wine is a daily custom there. I'm not a drinker per say but will have a glass of wine ocassionally. The person who related to the rodeo and the beer being consumed in what looked like 12 pack or 6 pack boxes I can see might be a bad example and would almost be the same as if a youth Sunday School teacher took beer into church for the under age teens to consume or try. I think we would all be up in arms as parents if that happened. So no I don't think it's wrong to have a drink but to have an alcoholic around you or possibly a new babe in Christ with you and then take that person into that type of lifestyle where they just came from and had problems would be a sin in my mind. It says somewhere in the Bible that us that know better or more that we are held more accountable. Just my thoughts. Larry
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4/3/2006 11:55 pm |
The Bible says in Phillipians 2:12 "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." So the following is my own belief and do not take offence. The Bible also says in Hebrews 12:1 "let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us." I my self veiw drinking as a weight and if I am going to run my best than I need to be weight free. So my position is against drinking.
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4/4/2006 7:23 am |
Show me the scriptures to back up your claim....And may I suggest removing the plank from your eye first, as it will be much easier to understand fully what you are reading........LOL........Ken the alleged "Compromiser" "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now." John 2:10 NIV Yes, Jesus even made some darn good wine! And, He whipped it up after the cheap stuff (maybe Mad-Dog 20/20) was all gone. Was He a compromiser or was He condoning the use of alcohol for libationary reasons? I don't believe it is a sin to get drunk. I do believe it is drunkenness (alcoholism)that is the sin.
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4/4/2006 7:29 am |
I will never promote drinking because I am a recovering alcoholic but I will say this. Show me in scripture where God says not to drink alcohol at all. I will believe if you can prove this. But throughout his word it says do not be drunk. It doesn't say don't drink alcohol at all. I have not drank alcohol for 16 years because of alcoholism not because drinking a little is wrong but because I never drank a little. I drank to get drunk. Have you compromised today with a lie, gossip, judging or any other sin. Like prodigalson63 says let's take the plank out of our own eye before we can remove the speck from our brother and sisters eye. (Matthew 7:1-6) Sincerely, John Sincerely
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4/4/2006 8:04 am |
It appears to me that we have some compromisers in the body of Christ. spirit realm.
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4/4/2006 8:32 am |
First and foremost let's understand something, I am a strong believer in Holiness and peace with all brothers and sisters in Christ. You have the wrong one if you believe that I will go back and forth with you or anyone else. Discerning when the enemy is trying to come in the mist I strive to see. I must say this being led by the spirit of God, No he did not whip out mad dog 20/20 but he did send his deliverance to all who were open to it. Therefore, your comment is o.k. by responding to me in reference to compromising. God is good anyway God bless you my brother in Christ. Spirit Realm
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4/4/2006 11:09 am |
Okay, I think that drinking in excess is wrong, just like any behavior that can hurt you. This would include overeating, compulsively excersizing or driving too fast. In Romans, we get a lesson in not hurting other people's faith by our actions. Someone was stating that what was eaten was not lawful. While the apostles felt that nothing was off limits since Jesus had said that works would not get us into heaven, they agreed that to do something just because we can, did not leave a good impression on the new Christians. In the same light, while it is not a sin to drink alcohol, we must be viligant in making sure we do not harm someone elses faith in what we do. I am not saying to only hide your drinking, or justifying it, but if you are going to drink socially, make sure that you are not putting a bad picture for the unchurched or non christian to misinterpret.
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4/4/2006 11:49 am |
SpiritRealm, As I look back at my post on here, I see I may have come across as mocking you, but I really wasn't, hence the "LOL" after the plank comment. I have seen many of your post and you are a sister in Christ through and through. I just wanted you to know that I am sorry if this may have offended you.....Stay blessed....Ken
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4/4/2006 12:59 pm |
ACtually Jesus DID drink alcohol! We drank wine which was made from fermented grapes, and science tells us that anything that is fermented turns to alcohol! The more appropriate thing to include is: "What about gluttony, and eating junk foods?" That kills us faster in todays culture than drinking an occasional glass of beer!
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4/4/2006 1:01 pm |
CMARS: Eating at mcdonalds everyday will put more weight on you than an occasional glass of beer!
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4/4/2006 4:31 pm |
Where is yendor2 when you need him? Yesterday is past and gone, but tomorrow is forever.
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4/4/2006 5:32 pm |
I agree that drinking to the point of getting drunk is wrong but I would add as well that it would depend upon the reason for drinking. Drinking to relax a bit after a hard day, okay; drinking to become a part of a crowd, wrong because you are not being true to yourself if you have to drink that much to be accepted. drinking because you enjoy the taste and the relaxation - I think I go here - fine. drinking because you have to, then there is a problem. To drink or not drink should be a decision and once you can no longer make that decision whether due to pressure from others, having already had too much to drink, having an addiction, or using it as an escape, then you, or I for that matter as well, should never drink.
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4/4/2006 9:47 pm |
i completely agree with fullofjoyeternal
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4/5/2006 1:46 pm |
If you look at the bible it says that Jesus drank WINE, and scientifically anything that is fermented (Wine) turns to ALCOHOL! So of coarse its ok to drink alcohol! "Be ye immitators of Christ in EVERYTHING you do." My question is, why not apply this same standard to eating at mcdonalds everyday? and even soda pop? This GLUTONY kills us faster than a n occasional galss of beer!
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4/6/2006 12:02 am |
If you look at the bible it says that Jesus drank WINE, and scientifically anything that is fermented (Wine) turns to ALCOHOL! So of coarse its ok to drink alcohol! "Be ye immitators of Christ in EVERYTHING you do." My question is, why not apply this same standard to eating at mcdonalds everyday? and even soda pop? This GLUTONY kills us faster than a n occasional galss of beer!
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4/6/2006 2:47 pm |
ProdicalSon1963: Thank you! Your the 1st to agree with me! The bible even says, "Take A LITTLE wine for your ailments." So I think it can also be used for medical purposes.
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4/6/2006 5:50 pm |
I find the critical people here hard to believe. I myself do not drink because as a young adult, before I became a Christian, I discovered that I could not handle alchol. I quit before I ever knew any "man-made" rules about drinking. I think a lot of folks are going to be suprised who makes it to heaven and who doesn't!
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4/7/2006 4:02 am |
Don't get drunk;don't be addicted to alcohol.Be a light or social drinker if you must.Celebrate successes with a few glasses once in a while-but don't be controlled by it-see Prov 20:1
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4/7/2006 11:38 am |
I dont drink but I think its okay if its not beyond limits. My brother in law is a man of god and he takes wine and other drinks purely as an accompaniment for dinner. He lives in god and a role model.
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4/7/2006 1:45 pm |
If you look at the bible it says that Jesus drank WINE, and scientifically anything that is fermented (Wine) turns to ALCOHOL! So of coarse its ok to drink alcohol! "Be ye immitators of Christ in EVERYTHING you do." My question is, why not apply this same standard to eating at mcdonalds everyday? and even soda pop? This GLUTONY kills us faster than a n occasional galss of beer!
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4/7/2006 1:53 pm |
cynamun: That may be true for you, but even some people cant "tollerate" lactose, so is that to mean that absolutly NO ONE should drink milk? It all depends on personal chemistry. SOme pople can tollerate spicy foods if you are mexican, or Indian, but white people, for the most part, cant.
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4/7/2006 5:25 pm |
Let me correct you. Drink made out of grapes is considered as wine.Just like tea is considered tea only made out of tea leaves(though many other drinks has name tea today) Alcoholic drinks can be made out of many fruits or other subjects, but name wine is given rightly only for drink made out of grapes, and that drink doesn't need to be fermented, alcoholic. It is gluttony that the Bible frowns upon, alcoholism, compulsive over indulgence, and not drinking or even getting drunk on occasion. Quit condemning your brothers and sisters and do a little studying for once. Your guilt-trips have caused too many people from coming to Christ for too long. Study tips for you misinformed: 1. Consider to whom the passage is addressed. 2. Consider the context of the passage. 3. Consider other passages relating to the subject. 4. Never interpret a clear passage in light of an unclear passage 5. Always accept the literal interpretation of a passage if the normal word usage and meaning will allow. 6. Consider the original meaning of the words. This is from my earlier post rebuking the grape juice opinion. In the Greek there are the words oinos and methuo. These same words are used in Eph 5:18 where we read, "be not drunk with wine." If methuo means drunk in Ephesians, it must mean drunk in John 2:10. The word methuo is used seven times in the New Testament and is translated as "drunken" five times, "made drunk" one time, and "well drunk" one time (Matt 24:49; Acts 2:15; 1Cor 11:21; 1Thes 5; Rev 17:6; 17:2; John 2:10). The words are clear and for the thorough student who approaches the Bible with the intent of discovering what it says and what it means without regard for personal bias, the meaning is unmistakable. It is at best naive to claim that the wine in John chapter 2 was non-alcoholic. It is simply not possible for the serious student of the Bible to stick his head in the sand and contend that it was grape juice.
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4/7/2006 10:01 pm |
The same greek and Hebrew words are translated "wine". It makes no difference as to the fermentaion of the juice of the grape. there are always those who read wine and automatically conclude an alcoholic beverage.... This is generally because of filtering the Word of God through beliefs and thought patterns that are not derived from the Word of God. We all do this at times and to varying degrees. God help us all
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4/7/2006 10:43 pm |
Why focusing in alcohol aspect, when that is not the issue in the scripture part. This subject was chewed over before in godlycook's pol. trulysaved only picked it from him to take it to an other level of argument. Devil makes people to focus always in wrong things to cost un necessary arguments between people. The contend of alcohol in the drink is not the teaching in the scripture in the wedding in Cana at all. Do not miss the teaching because of it. Ps. Jesus didn't make it more, he made it to remove the lack, thats different. (If you have no finance to pay your bill, he provides the bill money, he doesn't make your to be a millionaire in a second.) It's good to focus on the miracle it self.
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4/8/2006 7:59 am |
Hi there everyone, A few words here..... My husband of 32 years was an alcoholic. I watched him suffer through the devasting effects of liver disease and eventually end in his early death at age 55. During the course of our marriage I never had any alcohol or kept it in the house. I come from an Italian background and it was common for us to drink wine with our dinner. None of my 5 siblings have ever had any problems concerning the wine. I have to say here... when we are around those who are weak in a particular area it is our responsibilty to refrain from doing anything that may harm that person. If I desire to have a an alcoholic drink or glass of wine I am now at liberty to do so.
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4/13/2006 4:21 pm |
If no one ever had the 1st drink there would be no drunkards or alcoholics! Why take it risk? Some people amoung us are weak in this respect.....and ended up getting drunk and finally destroying themselves and the love of their loved ones. I think most if not all of us don't know for sure if we are weak or not. I personally don't think it's wise to take the risk. This was probably why the priests were forbidden to drink wine as they went into the Tabernacle to offer sacrifices. Lev. 10:9 and the pastors or Bishops were forbiden to drink wine. It was risky then and it is, I believe, risky now.
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4/14/2006 7:40 pm |
Just a thought here-- Jesus turned water into wine- if alcohol was not allowed by God- why would Jesus have done this? There is a verse (I need to find it) about not giving 'strong drink' to others- such as buying beer or alcohol. I'll have to look it up. I enjoy a strawberry daquieri (?sp)with my lobster- but then again- according to the bible- lobster is a no-no. Tea
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4/14/2006 11:12 pm |
Ka-Bam! Jean! You've done it again! You picked a great topic for discussion! So many different thoughts and views! Love your posts Sis! Tea
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4/24/2006 10:44 am |
BreezeandI: If no one ever ate at mcdonalds after church service, there would be no heart attacks taking place and the Dr.'s in hospitals would go out of business, so "why take the risk?" That thinking is full of holes. If God didnt intend for alcohol to be consumed, it woldnt be edible! Just like gasoline can be swallowed, but will immidiatly make you sick and put one in the hospital! Shouldnt we all be using some God given common sence?
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6/6/2006 8:27 am |
Bible study man you are equating drinking alcohol to eating a hamburger? Come now. 50% ot all deaths on the highways is attributed to drinking alcohol. Usually men who eat ....even too many...don't come home, kick the cat and beat their wives. Men who drink often do. I'm not too convinced that tomatoes, beef, bread, pickles, mustard and kepchup causes heart attacks. But then maybe I need a dose of common sense. lol I now have Heart Failure I've been told. Strange...I have never eaten many hamburgers. "After church service"? Oh oh picking on Christians. Tut! Tut! lol I see Micky D's filled with customers many times in the weekdays . It might surpeise a lot of us how many people eat beef at home. We buy the ground round and it's 15% and 85% . ahhhhhhhh good ole protein! Good for ya !
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