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THE CONSERVATIVE RIGHT......HOW STUPID CAN THEY GET ?
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There's a big to-do about a video that was made in a public school ( now being shown on Youtube ), where children sang songs about President Obama. The hype goes like this. " The children are being brainwashed, and the resemblances to the Hitler youth groups should be obvious. How can this be allowed in our schools, they even give the Hail-Hitler sign several times during their worship of this Neo-Nazi.... Barack Obama. " Is there no end to the foolishness of the so-called conservative right ? They continue to come up with, every wicked device they can imagine to put President Obama down. He's been called a socialist, communist, lair, and now a NEO-NAZI. Do these fools have any idea who ( and what ) the Neo-Nazi movement is ? They ( the Neo-Nazi's ) want to assassinate the President, not embrace him. The Neo-Nazi's are a white supremacy group, which has one desire, i.e. to kill everything that's not white. The conservative talk shows have played this right into the hands of the weak-minded, who are stupid enough to believe it. Let's face it, the right can't quite get over the fact, that they lost the election ( along with their power ). So, now these conservative talk show host; have nothing better to do; then to incite people ( those who don't have brains ) to attend tea parties ( so they call them ) where they get to hold up signs which read " Death to Obama ", and think its protected by their right to " Free-Speech ". One of these fools is going to try to assassinate The President ( and may even succeed ), and I wonder what they'll say then ? No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7 |
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9/25/2009 12:32 am |
Is there no end to the foolishness of the so-called conservative right ? They continue to come up with, every wicked device they can imagine to put President Obama down. He's been called a socialist, communist, lair, and now a NEO-NAZI. You forgot a few Steve; Like Anti-christ, Baby-killer, Closet-Muslim, and illegal alien. This is the nature of fault finders. If they can't find something that's real, they will make it up as they go. I have never seen a President embrace diversity like President Obama does, and even listen to opposing views. He has even acted positively on a few views that oppose his personal agenda. It may not always be what the right wing wants, but at least he listens and considers. Unlike his predisessor GWB who frequently labeled opposition as "terrorists". Every time GWB ever came to my city, any and all public protesters were arrested and incarcerated. Yet as you stated, Obama protesters calling for his death, are claiming "free speech," where as GWB protesters with signs simply asking to end the Iraq war were regarded as terrorists. There seems to have been a mass distribution of 'stupid pills' in our nation. When our spiritual leaders have called upon us to pray for President Obama, somehow the message got twisted to prey on President Obama. Isaiah 66:2b; But to this one I will look, To him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word.
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9/25/2009 2:02 am |
I think the whole Presidency has gone south centuries ago. He wasn't suppose to be that powerful. That's a fact both democrats and Republicans should see. Neither should the courts be that powerful. Just because a team wins doesn't mean it's good. Caesar and other leaders through history have conquered armies and won approval but God destroyed their nations, and they deserved that. I wouldn't equate the conservative right with white supremacists. Obama who is for vaccines completely lied to the people. Is that what winning should do. I thought the swine flu pandemic was dangerous. It' isn't. Everyone recovers quickly from the swine flu without the vaccine except those very very weak someway. His cronies which include the higher power of the democrats also uses fearmongering to make people take things they shouldn't. It's all to support the white robe elitists social worker mentality. I wonder how much of Jesus do people know in the social acceptance part of the liberal agenda. Instead, under Obama, abortion increases and every other hazardous lifestyle. It's tyranny. We need to reduce the power of D.C. and bring back biblical morality. Even you should agree with that, and liberals are a far cry from it. At least conservatives help more people without sticking poisonous vaccines and drugs in people's butts. I don't care if leaders approve of Obama's brainwashing. God is on our side. That's why we own the airwaves and a whole lot more. Clinton will be the worst President following Carter, and later following Obama.
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9/25/2009 4:35 am |
" The children are being brainwashed, and the resemblances to the Hitler youth groups should be obvious. How can this be allowed in our schools, they even give the Hail-Hitler sign several times during their worship of this Neo-Nazi.... Barack Obama. " Who made this statement and is this statement representative of the conservative right? How about the death to Obama sign,was that a right wing conservative holding the sign or were they in a group of conservatives and you took it upon yourself to have others on this site believe that right wing conservatives support this idea? Does Obama fit the description of a socialist, communist or a lair? Just because someone is against the tremendous control this new administration is trying to impose on the American people funded by the American people does not mean they are brainless.It also does not mean they have to sit on the sidelines keeping silent for fear of someone accusing them of speaking up because they "can't quite get over the fact, that they lost the election".
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9/25/2009 4:55 am |
Hmm--it looks like Godlycook and HisGlory are 2 very liberal men---very interesting--I AM the religous right Godlicook and oyu best get used to us being around lol--NO I dont in eny way hate this President or want him dead--how ridiculous is that lol--BUT he will go down as being one of the worst Presidents we have ever had--and he wil only be a 4 Yr President--Thank God for that!!! None that I know in the Right Wing want him dead--their are extremists in every facet of society--so pleeze dont be so stupid as to call those of us who are in the Christian right--extremists--Because we arent!!
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9/25/2009 8:26 am |
Hmm--it looks like Godlycook and HisGlory are 2 very liberal men---very interesting--I AM the religous right Godlicook and oyu best get used to us being around lol--NO I dont in eny way hate this President or want him dead--how ridiculous is that lol--BUT he will go down as being one of the worst Presidents we have ever had--and he wil only be a 4 Yr President--Thank God for that!!! None that I know in the Right Wing want him dead--their are extremists in every facet of society--so pleeze dont be so stupid as to call those of us who are in the Christian right--extremists--Because we arent!! No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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 9/25/2009 3:55 pm |
No dear.......I respect the government, because God ordained it, and commands me to. But I belong to Jesus, not the Government ( the left or the right ). You haven't been around long enough ( at BC ) to read my post, on how I feel about politics. So, don't label me a liberal, I gave up on politics when I became a Christian; because I understand we aren't called to try and change this country ( or the world for that matter ) by being involved in politics. Men change when they hear the Gospel; and God moves on their hearts, not because we use the government to pass laws to try to stop abortion. I wouldn't brag about being on right, if I were you, because there's no difference between them and the left. Don't get me started. If Christians would wake up and start telling these un-wed mothers, young girls, young men, and couples that just don't want children (but had an accident) the TRUE Gospel of Jesus Christ, then abortion would not be an issue. I have often envisioned a law being passed that would elminate abortion in this country. All the Christian leaders and church society would cheer about this, then move on to another issue. Then thousands of children would be born to mothers who hate them, throw them off at hospitals, put them in dumpsters. MAKING A LAW AGAINST SIN DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM IS THAT CHRISTIANS HAVE FAILED TO CARRY THE GOSPEL TO THE PEOPLE AS JESUS INTENDED.
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9/25/2009 5:59 pm |
Amen to that Steve. If Christians would wake up and start telling these un-wed mothers, young girls, young men, and couples that just don't want children (but had an accident) the TRUE Gospel of Jesus Christ, then abortion would not be an issue. I have often envisioned a law being passed that would elminate abortion in this country. All the Christian leaders and church society would cheer about this, then move on to another issue. Then thousands of children would be born to mothers who hate them, throw them off at hospitals, put them in dumpsters. MAKING A LAW AGAINST SIN DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM IS THAT CHRISTIANS HAVE FAILED TO CARRY THE GOSPEL TO THE PEOPLE AS JESUS INTENDED. Making laws are ways society deals with some of the sins committed in society. Take murder or rape for example,should we do away with the laws against those crimes.I don't think you would find many people answer yes to that question so the issue at hand for many people is,should there also be a law against abortion also. It is easy stating that we should take no part in government when our toes are not being stepped on very hard.If our government were sending our families and loved ones off to extermination camps,most likely we would not hold the same idea of not being involved in politics.
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9/25/2009 9:02 pm |
Is there no end to the foolishness of the so-called conservative right ? They continue to come up with, every wicked device they can imagine to put President Obama down. He's been called a socialist, communist, lair, and now a NEO-NAZI. You forgot a few Steve; Like Anti-christ, Baby-killer, Closet-Muslim, and illegal alien. This is the nature of fault finders. If they can't find something that's real, they will make it up as they go. I have never seen a President embrace diversity like President Obama does, and even listen to opposing views. He has even acted positively on a few views that oppose his personal agenda. It may not always be what the right wing wants, but at least he listens and considers. Unlike his predisessor GWB who frequently labeled opposition as "terrorists". Every time GWB ever came to my city, any and all public protesters were arrested and incarcerated. Yet as you stated, Obama protesters calling for his death, are claiming "free speech," where as GWB protesters with signs simply asking to end the Iraq war were regarded as terrorists. There seems to have been a mass distribution of 'stupid pills' in our nation. When our spiritual leaders have called upon us to pray for President Obama, somehow the message got twisted to prey on President Obama. Christians shouldn't become so involved ( in politics ) that they join in protest, that call for the death of the President. Christians know ( at least the ones who read their Bibles ), that the President is a servant of God, and is put in office by God. We don't have to agree with ( or like ) him; but we are told to respect authority, and pray for those who hold such an office. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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9/26/2009 12:50 am |
Hmm--it looks like Godlycook and HisGlory are 2 very liberal men---very interesting--I AM the religous right Godlicook and oyu best get used to us being around lol--NO I dont in eny way hate this President or want him dead--how ridiculous is that lol--BUT he will go down as being one of the worst Presidents we have ever had--and he wil only be a 4 Yr President--Thank God for that!!! None that I know in the Right Wing want him dead--their are extremists in every facet of society--so pleeze dont be so stupid as to call those of us who are in the Christian right--extremists--Because we arent!! If you spent less time listening to Rush Limbaugh blame all the world's problems on liberals, and more time reading the Gospel of our Salvation, you would quickly realize that the one and only issue that Christians use to judge President Obama, (that being abortion) really means nothing at all. "NOTHING!!" you would likely say, and add to that, "What about all those babies that are being killed?" Yes, what about them indeed. If you actually believe that abortions are killing babies that God himself has predestined to live, then your faith in God is non-existant, and is in fact blasphemy against God, because you are in effect saying that God is powerless, and that every abortion that takes place is one more victory of Satan over God. That's the lie. However, we are told in God's written Word that God has already predestinated everyone that He will call and ordain. Which means not a single soul that HE has ordained would ever be aborted as a fetus. Does that make abortion right? No it doesn't. It just means that abortion is not the mandated issue we claim that God says it is. Strange how we have decided that God is going to end abortions by us electing a biased President who will appoint Supreame Court Justices who have already decided in advance, without seeing the evidence that abortion should once again be made illegal. Then we call these people godly, and those who want to make a fair ruling based on the evidence presented, are regarded as heathen. I've never seen or heard of God working that way. At least not MY God, who is the father of our Lord Jesus, and of us. MY God arrainges the circumstances to the point that the cards are heavily stacked against him, so that when he comes through, everyone knows it was by God, and not by man. MY God told Gideon that ten thousand rag tag men were too many to go up against several million disiplined, seasoned troops, so he dwindled the number down to three hundred. MY God instructed Elijah, his lone prophet, to soak his offering to be burnt with hundreds of gallons of water when he stood against 950 prophets of the idol to show which god is real. And now we have spent over 35 years trying to do God's job of ending abortion by stacking the deck in HIS favor. For all our efforts we have made NO progress at all. Then we have the audicity to blame our failures on people with different views then us. This alone should tell us we are going about the wrong direction. Now, for the record, I do not support abortion. I personally believe it is wrong, and if I were to counsel a pregnant young woman on the matter, I can't think of any situations in which I would say it's okay to abort a pregancy. But, I also don't believe there should be a law against abortion. Why in the world would I be so contradictory? Because the abortion issue does not belong in the political realm to be decided by mere humans who make man's laws. It belongs in the church where a woman who has gotten herself into such a predictiment can receive real counsel from her spiritual leaders. However, the church has become lazy and complaceint, and doesn't want to deal with the tough issues, so we try to push our government to make laws which would prevent us from having to deal with it ourselves. Isaiah 66:2b; But to this one I will look, To him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word.
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9/26/2009 1:16 am |
I understand the nature of the beast i.e. the political arena. There are none so treacherous as politicians, when it comes to destroying the character of their opponents. It can be so bad that it can lead those who can't stand the pressure ( and the lies ), to commit suicide. Christians shouldn't become so involved ( in politics ) that they join in protest, that call for the death of the President. Christians know ( at least the ones who read their Bibles ), that the President is a servant of God, and is put in office by God. We don't have to agree with ( or like ) him; but we are told to respect authority, and pray for those who hold such an office. I do believe that we should be involved in the political process, even running for and holding public office, if we are so inclined and qualified. We can actively campain for the issues of concern, and candidates we support. However, our opinions on issues are entirely our opinions. We dare not proclaim, "Thus saith the Lord!" and presume to speak for the Lord, when the issues are not His, but ours. We have the right to lawful assembly, but protesting our President by calling for his death is not what our forefathers had in mind when they spoke and wrote of lawful assembly. It is our right, and duty to become knowlegable of the issues and candidates, and vote as we feel is correct. Our right to vote is given to us by God, and our freedom is not free. Our freedom was literally bought and paid for in blood, and when we refuse to vote, we are snubbing what God gave to us. PTL we have the rights to our own opinions, and live in a country that allows us to express them. But calling for anyone's death, let alone an elected leader, crosses the line well beyond our rights, and even what's right. Isaiah 66:2b; But to this one I will look, To him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word.
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9/26/2009 4:26 am |
Dee Dee, I am NOT a liberal. If you spent less time listening to Rush Limbaugh blame all the world's problems on liberals, and more time reading the Gospel of our Salvation, you would quickly realize that the one and only issue that Christians use to judge President Obama, (that being abortion) really means nothing at all. "NOTHING!!" you would likely say, and add to that, "What about all those babies that are being killed?" Yes, what about them indeed. If you actually believe that abortions are killing babies that God himself has predestined to live, then your faith in God is non-existant, and is in fact blasphemy against God, because you are in effect saying that God is powerless, and that every abortion that takes place is one more victory of Satan over God. That's the lie. However, we are told in God's written Word that God has already predestinated everyone that He will call and ordain. Which means not a single soul that HE has ordained would ever be aborted as a fetus. Does that make abortion right? No it doesn't. It just means that abortion is not the mandated issue we claim that God says it is. Strange how we have decided that God is going to end abortions by us electing a biased President who will appoint Supreame Court Justices who have already decided in advance, without seeing the evidence that abortion should once again be made illegal. Then we call these people godly, and those who want to make a fair ruling based on the evidence presented, are regarded as heathen. I've never seen or heard of God working that way. At least not MY God, who is the father of our Lord Jesus, and of us. MY God arrainges the circumstances to the point that the cards are heavily stacked against him, so that when he comes through, everyone knows it was by God, and not by man. MY God told Gideon that ten thousand rag tag men were too many to go up against several million disiplined, seasoned troops, so he dwindled the number down to three hundred. MY God instructed Elijah, his lone prophet, to soak his offering to be burnt with hundreds of gallons of water when he stood against 950 prophets of the idol to show which god is real. And now we have spent over 35 years trying to do God's job of ending abortion by stacking the deck in HIS favor. For all our efforts we have made NO progress at all. Then we have the audicity to blame our failures on people with different views then us. This alone should tell us we are going about the wrong direction. Now, for the record, I do not support abortion. I personally believe it is wrong, and if I were to counsel a pregnant young woman on the matter, I can't think of any situations in which I would say it's okay to abort a pregancy. But, I also don't believe there should be a law against abortion. Why in the world would I be so contradictory? Because the abortion issue does not belong in the political realm to be decided by mere humans who make man's laws. It belongs in the church where a woman who has gotten herself into such a predictiment can receive real counsel from her spiritual leaders. However, the church has become lazy and complaceint, and doesn't want to deal with the tough issues, so we try to push our government to make laws which would prevent us from having to deal with it ourselves. No progress at all you say,now just how in the world would you know that one child was not saved from all the efforts made by those who stand against abortion,if that were the case? "And if I were to counsel a pregnant young woman on the matter",what do you mean "if".Do they have to come to your door or to your church in order for you to counsel them,is this what you mean when you say the church has become lazy and complacent? How do you deal with the tough issues?
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9/26/2009 7:30 am |
I do not know ANY conservative Christians that are calling for the death of the President!.. There's always a few wackos in every group, right, left, up or down(BC is a good example of that)..lol but is NOT the norm!.. ..Why shouldn't Christians be involved in politics Steve?.. We live in a society that allows us too! Banana and toothbrushes... Oh no not again... lol Life is too short so Lighten Up a bit...
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9/26/2009 9:16 am |
HisGlory---geez you sound just like Jeremiah withhis Attakcs against Longing--You Are obvioulsy a Cal;vinist--I am not--and dont Attack mY salvation because I dont adhere to your liberal Stance on Political Issues--and yes Abortionis murder--just to clear up that issue!!!! So Ease on down the Road Buster Brown--because I have no desire to argue these issues with somone like you!!!!
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9/26/2009 1:59 pm |
HisGlory---geez you sound just like Jeremiah withhis Attakcs against Longing--You Are obvioulsy a Cal;vinist--I am not--and dont Attack mY salvation because I dont adhere to your liberal Stance on Political Issues--and yes Abortionis murder--just to clear up that issue!!!! So Ease on down the Road Buster Brown--because I have no desire to argue these issues with somone like you!!!!
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9/26/2009 2:01 pm |
I do not know ANY conservative Christians that are calling for the death of the President!.. There's always a few wackos in every group, right, left, up or down(BC is a good example of that)..lol but is NOT the norm!.. ..Why shouldn't Christians be involved in politics Steve?.. We live in a society that allows us too! " I do not know ANY conservative Christians that are calling for the death of the President! " You must have forgotten about our friend Dennis........who was hoping President Obama would choke to death on a chicken bone. I rebuked him for the comment, and he never repented. I'm sure he still would rather see President Obama..... DEAD. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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9/26/2009 2:02 pm |
Steve, Christians should be involved in politics in that is their calling from God. Some do have this calling.
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9/26/2009 3:29 pm |
Lets See Donnie--the Blood Of Jesus is my covering!!!
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9/27/2009 12:36 am |
HisGlory---geez you sound just like Jeremiah withhis Attakcs against Longing--You Are obvioulsy a Cal;vinist--I am not--and dont Attack mY salvation because I dont adhere to your liberal Stance on Political Issues--and yes Abortionis murder--just to clear up that issue!!!! So Ease on down the Road Buster Brown--because I have no desire to argue these issues with somone like you!!!! You're the one who started the arguement, and now you've been bested and don't want to see it through. I understand. Quit before you get any farther behind. For someone who proclaims herself as a nonjudgmental person you sure are doing a good job of judging me. First you called me a liberal, then you compare me to Jeremiah, and then you called me a Calvinist. I am not self-righteous like Jeremiah, nor do I claim the office of a prophet like he does. I have been told I have the giftings of a teacher ministry, but that's not my self made claim. Now I can't address the Calvinist issue since I don't know what one is. I've not called you any names, or made any judgments of you. I have not said you must adhere to my stances, but you would require others to adhere to yours. I never said abortion is not murder, but you seem to think I said it. In fact I did say I personally am against abortion. I didn't question your salvation, I questioned your faith. Even then I did not make a direct accusation, but placed the matter as an "if." Obviously you didn't understand my point, nor do you wish to. Consider when Jesus was born. Herod had all children under two years old killed. Where was the folks who becry baby murders at when this happened? There was nobody knocking down Herod's door demanding he repent. How about when Moses was a baby? Pharoah ordered that all baby boys be killed. Did those murders defeat God's plans? You see Dee Dee; God has a plan, he knows what he is doing. Therefore nobody that God has predestinated is going to be aborted. Which means that all those babies you think would be saved by a law would in fact be unbelievers, and likely grow up to become people who are not so nice and law abiding. Now how do I know this? The Word says so in Romans 8:28-31; Anyone He will call in their time would be somehow spared in the event that the parents may consider anything like murder to prevent the child to come from fulfill their destiny. Just like Moses, and just like Jesus, yes others would die, and yes that is terrible, but the ones God has a plan for will not die. To say that they will, or could, or may die is to call God a liar, and shows a serious lack of faith. You may believe, teach, or preach whatever you want, and as long as you identify them as your beliefs, I have no problem, even if they differ from what I believe. I'm not going to condemn you, or pronounce judgment. But if you, or anyone were to claim to represent God on a matter he has not spoken on, I'm going to call it out and expose it for the personal opinion it really is. This is the issue I have with Jeremiah. He claims to represent God as a prophet, and twists Scriptures for his benefit, and proclaims judgment on anyone who does not agree with his twisted interpretations. Now you don't do that, so I don't have that issue with you. You just simply returned to your grade school playground and stuck out your tongue and call out names to what you believe is a mean boy on the playground. We are not children, this is not a play ground, and I am not a mean boy; so grow up and act like the adult you are. Isaiah 66:2b; But to this one I will look, To him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word.
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9/27/2009 1:29 am |
Do ya think there should be a law against anything,say murder for example? No progress at all you say,now just how in the world would you know that one child was not saved from all the efforts made by those who stand against abortion,if that were the case? "And if I were to counsel a pregnant young woman on the matter",what do you mean "if".Do they have to come to your door or to your church in order for you to counsel them,is this what you mean when you say the church has become lazy and complacent? How do you deal with the tough issues? Of coarse we need laws, that is soooo not the issue. The issue is making an unneeded law that didn't provide the protection it was hoped to have provided when it was a law. Nor would it provide any protection if it were a law now. Yes, no progress at all, and that is an absolute. In fact many abortion protesters themselves killed people while protesting aborton. I might ask you how many of those abortion doctors might have eventually repented and got saved had some radical protester who was not thinking clearly took their lives? Just because something is wrong to do, or a sin, doesn't automaticly mean man kind is going to, or even should make a law against it. Case in point. Adultery is not illegal in any state of the U.S. or in any democratic country. Yet adultery is clearly a sin against God, and a sin against that person's spouse. A law against adultery would be useless. Why? Because most of us have been taught that as a matter of morals adultery is wrong. For the vast majority of us that teaching occured in some kind of church environment. Abortion is the same way. If handled properly, and in the church, it would be all but eradicated. If the amount of effort Christians have expended fighting abortions was instead used to promote adoption, there would be so few abortions that it would quickly become a non-issue. Did you know that an estimated 88% of all abortions in the U.S. are done on Christian women? Yup, it's true. It breaks down as follows. 43% are Protestants 27% are Catholics 18% are Evangelicals (Charasmatics and non-denomenational) This means that each year a quarter of a million of the women obtaining abortions are from Bible believing churches. These stats come from Randy Alcorn's (a strong pro-life advocate) book entitled Why Pro-Life published in 2004. This is what I mean by the church becoming lazy and complacent. The leadership in our churches are so busy preaching 'feel good messages' that they don't have the resourses, nor do they want to deal with young women with a choice to make. So they do it without spiritual guidance. As for the counseling issue, I'm not implying that I am any kind of counsler. But my day by day walk brings all kinds of people into my life. My statement was along the line of "if" I encountered such a person in my day by day walk. Naturally you are not aware of it, but I do speak the Word of God every where I go, and I try to include God in everything I do. Any one observing me would quickly conclude that I am a believer. It is not beyond possiblility that I could encounter a young woman considering an abortion. I've never had such an encounter before, but it could happen. I deal with the tough issues with open honesty, after I have prayed about it. Prayer should always come first, and especially so with the tough issues. Ignoring them is wrong, and dealing honestly is always correct. Just today I was conversing with a woman about her concerns for her 18 year old daughter's $exuality. The girl is on her own, supports herself, and is a legal adult. The mother has no say, (other then advice) concerning if her daughter is still a virgin or not. She can offer her wisdom, indicate her desires for her daughter, but she can't make her retain her virginity. I told the mother that her grown up daughter's $exuality is no more her business, then her own love life with her husband is the business of her own mother. It was very hard for her to hear, but it is the truth, and she had to be told. Isaiah 66:2b; But to this one I will look, To him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word.
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9/27/2009 8:31 am |
Steve, Christians should be involved in politics in that is their calling from God. Some do have this calling. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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9/27/2009 8:53 am |
" The children are being brainwashed, and the resemblances to the Hitler youth groups should be obvious. How can this be allowed in our schools, they even give the Hail-Hitler sign several times during their worship of this Neo-Nazi.... Barack Obama. " Who made this statement and is this statement representative of the conservative right? How about the death to Obama sign,was that a right wing conservative holding the sign or were they in a group of conservatives and you took it upon yourself to have others on this site believe that right wing conservatives support this idea? Does Obama fit the description of a socialist, communist or a lair? Just because someone is against the tremendous control this new administration is trying to impose on the American people funded by the American people does not mean they are brainless.It also does not mean they have to sit on the sidelines keeping silent for fear of someone accusing them of speaking up because they "can't quite get over the fact, that they lost the election". No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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9/27/2009 9:17 am |
Christians are commanded to be fishers of men. The problem comes in when some Christians, are convinced ( more like fooled ) into believing that what we really need to do; is clean up the dirty fishbowl. So, what do they do......they resort to using the government to bring about change. But can the government bring about real change ? No !! Even if laws were enacted to restrict abortion, unconverted women will find a way ( or a place ) to have an abortion performed. Also, if you push too hard concerning abortion, things will revert back, to the way they were, and each state; will determine its own laws concerning abortion. In order for real change to take place, the Gospel must be preached, and those who hear it ( and believe ) will be saved. A true Christian woman won't murder her unborn child. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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9/27/2009 10:39 am |
Gee wizz Dee Dee; You're the one who started the arguement, and now you've been bested and don't want to see it through. I understand. Quit before you get any farther behind. For someone who proclaims herself as a nonjudgmental person you sure are doing a good job of judging me. First you called me a liberal, then you compare me to Jeremiah, and then you called me a Calvinist. I am not self-righteous like Jeremiah, nor do I claim the office of a prophet like he does. I have been told I have the giftings of a teacher ministry, but that's not my self made claim. Now I can't address the Calvinist issue since I don't know what one is. I've not called you any names, or made any judgments of you. I have not said you must adhere to my stances, but you would require others to adhere to yours. I never said abortion is not murder, but you seem to think I said it. In fact I did say I personally am against abortion. I didn't question your salvation, I questioned your faith. Even then I did not make a direct accusation, but placed the matter as an "if." Obviously you didn't understand my point, nor do you wish to. Consider when Jesus was born. Herod had all children under two years old killed. Where was the folks who becry baby murders at when this happened? There was nobody knocking down Herod's door demanding he repent. How about when Moses was a baby? Pharoah ordered that all baby boys be killed. Did those murders defeat God's plans? You see Dee Dee; God has a plan, he knows what he is doing. Therefore nobody that God has predestinated is going to be aborted. Which means that all those babies you think would be saved by a law would in fact be unbelievers, and likely grow up to become people who are not so nice and law abiding. Now how do I know this? The Word says so in Romans 8:28-31; Anyone He will call in their time would be somehow spared in the event that the parents may consider anything like murder to prevent the child to come from fulfill their destiny. Just like Moses, and just like Jesus, yes others would die, and yes that is terrible, but the ones God has a plan for will not die. To say that they will, or could, or may die is to call God a liar, and shows a serious lack of faith. You may believe, teach, or preach whatever you want, and as long as you identify them as your beliefs, I have no problem, even if they differ from what I believe. I'm not going to condemn you, or pronounce judgment. But if you, or anyone were to claim to represent God on a matter he has not spoken on, I'm going to call it out and expose it for the personal opinion it really is. This is the issue I have with Jeremiah. He claims to represent God as a prophet, and twists Scriptures for his benefit, and proclaims judgment on anyone who does not agree with his twisted interpretations. Now you don't do that, so I don't have that issue with you. You just simply returned to your grade school playground and stuck out your tongue and call out names to what you believe is a mean boy on the playground. We are not children, this is not a play ground, and I am not a mean boy; so grow up and act like the adult you are.
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9/27/2009 2:16 pm |
Why don't you start by re-reading what I said, and read what I said, not what you would read into what I said. Of coarse we need laws, that is soooo not the issue. The issue is making an unneeded law that didn't provide the protection it was hoped to have provided when it was a law. Nor would it provide any protection if it were a law now. Yes, no progress at all, and that is an absolute. In fact many abortion protesters themselves killed people while protesting aborton. I might ask you how many of those abortion doctors might have eventually repented and got saved had some radical protester who was not thinking clearly took their lives? Just because something is wrong to do, or a sin, doesn't automaticly mean man kind is going to, or even should make a law against it. Case in point. Adultery is not illegal in any state of the U.S. or in any democratic country. Yet adultery is clearly a sin against God, and a sin against that person's spouse. A law against adultery would be useless. Why? Because most of us have been taught that as a matter of morals adultery is wrong. For the vast majority of us that teaching occured in some kind of church environment. Abortion is the same way. If handled properly, and in the church, it would be all but eradicated. If the amount of effort Christians have expended fighting abortions was instead used to promote adoption, there would be so few abortions that it would quickly become a non-issue. Did you know that an estimated 88% of all abortions in the U.S. are done on Christian women? Yup, it's true. It breaks down as follows. 43% are Protestants 27% are Catholics 18% are Evangelicals (Charasmatics and non-denomenational) This means that each year a quarter of a million of the women obtaining abortions are from Bible believing churches. These stats come from Randy Alcorn's (a strong pro-life advocate) book entitled Why Pro-Life published in 2004. This is what I mean by the church becoming lazy and complacent. The leadership in our churches are so busy preaching 'feel good messages' that they don't have the resourses, nor do they want to deal with young women with a choice to make. So they do it without spiritual guidance. As for the counseling issue, I'm not implying that I am any kind of counsler. But my day by day walk brings all kinds of people into my life. My statement was along the line of "if" I encountered such a person in my day by day walk. Naturally you are not aware of it, but I do speak the Word of God every where I go, and I try to include God in everything I do. Any one observing me would quickly conclude that I am a believer. It is not beyond possiblility that I could encounter a young woman considering an abortion. I've never had such an encounter before, but it could happen. I deal with the tough issues with open honesty, after I have prayed about it. Prayer should always come first, and especially so with the tough issues. Ignoring them is wrong, and dealing honestly is always correct. Just today I was conversing with a woman about her concerns for her 18 year old daughter's $exuality. The girl is on her own, supports herself, and is a legal adult. The mother has no say, (other then advice) concerning if her daughter is still a virgin or not. She can offer her wisdom, indicate her desires for her daughter, but she can't make her retain her virginity. I told the mother that her grown up daughter's $exuality is no more her business, then her own love life with her husband is the business of her own mother. It was very hard for her to hear, but it is the truth, and she had to be told. How about laws against drugs,do you believe they should be repealed? You still did not explain how you know that not one child was saved by the efforts of those standing against abortion,I don't see how anyone other than God could make a statement like that. Radical protester is the key word,they do not stand for the majority for those against abortion and the majority do not support violence.Would you say the doctor was predestined to die just as all those children were predestined to die and God was in complete control of the situation? That's not my position. 88% of abortions are done on women that are professing to be a Christian,might be true but my personal guess is that only a very small % of those women who profess to be Christain are in fact Christian. If few people are going to turn to Christ as Jesus says,how is the church going to eradicate the problem?
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9/27/2009 2:35 pm |
The problem is, that the right ( conservative republicans ); call the left ( liberal democrats ) all of these names, as if they don't also apply to them ( the conservative republicans ). No one was calling former President Bush a socialist; when he started bailing out the banks. No one was calling for his death.......so why now ? That's known as the three P's; Partial, Political, Posturing.....its alright if your side does it; but its communism when the other side does the same thing. You people need to wake up !! No one was calling for the death of former president Bush??? Do a little research and come back and tell me what you find.I can present you with no less than two dozen death to bush signs and displays,only difference is that I could find no records of arrests made for those individuals unlike the person who was arrested for showing the Obama death sign. I think all government is corrupt and that anything that benefits the people just happens to be a by product of something that helped them gain more power or wealth,that is my side.It just happens that the rep support more of the ideas than the dems do.
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9/27/2009 2:45 pm |
Christians are commanded to be fishers of men. The problem comes in when some Christians, are convinced ( more like fooled ) into believing that what we really need to do; is clean up the dirty fishbowl. So, what do they do......they resort to using the government to bring about change. But can the government bring about real change ? No !! Even if laws were enacted to restrict abortion, unconverted women will find a way ( or a place ) to have an abortion performed. Also, if you push too hard concerning abortion, things will revert back, to the way they were, and each state; will determine its own laws concerning abortion. In order for real change to take place, the Gospel must be preached, and those who hear it ( and believe ) will be saved. A true Christian woman won't murder her unborn child. I agree with you on changing the heart of the person but many or most people are not going to change and this is the society we live in.I do what I can to try to keep some of the Hitlers and Stalins from being our government officials and imposing their laws and ideas on us.
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9/27/2009 6:18 pm |
We have laws on murder but we still have murder but it would be foolish to believe that the murder rate would not soar if the law on murder were abolished. I agree with you on changing the heart of the person but many or most people are not going to change and this is the society we live in.I do what I can to try to keep some of the Hitlers and Stalins from being our government officials and imposing their laws and ideas on us. Christians are ( or should be ) the most law biding citizens in the country; but we live by a different standard. To pass laws in hopes of making everyone else live by our standard; isn't what the Christian church is called to do. Before anyone can even care about obeying any laws; God must do a work in their hearts. No law has ever stopped ( or reduced ) sin. Here's a little history lesson for you ( copied from Wikipedia ): "In the history of the United States, Prohibition, also known as The Noble Experiment, is the period from 1919 to 1933, during which the sale, manufacture, and transportation of alcohol for consumption were banned nationally as mandated in the Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Under substantial pressure from the temperance movement, the United States Senate proposed the Eighteenth Amendment on December 18, 1917. Having been approved by 36 states, the 18th Amendment was ratified on January 16, 1919 and effected on January 16, 1920. Some state legislatures had already enacted statewide prohibition prior to the ratification of the 18th Amendment. The "Volstead Act", the popular name for the National Prohibition Act, passed through Congress over President Woodrow Wilson's veto on October 28, 1919 and established the legal definition of intoxicating liquor[1]. Though the Volstead Act prohibited the sale of alcohol, it did little to enforce the law. The illegal production and distribution of liquor, or bootlegging, became rampant, and the national government did not have the means or desire to enforce every border, lake, river, and speakeasy in America. In fact, by 1925 in New York City alone there were anywhere from 30,000 to 100,000 speakeasy clubs.[2] Prohibition became increasingly unpopular during the Great Depression, especially in large cities. On March 23, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt signed into law an amendment to the Volstead Act known as the Cullen-Harrison Act, allowing the manufacture and sale of certain kinds of alcoholic beverages. On December 5, 1933, the ratification of the Twenty-first Amendment repealed the Eighteenth Amendment. " That's a prime example of what happens when a religious movement ( The Temperance Movement ) tries to get laws passed to change the behavior of others. It doesn't work. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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9/28/2009 1:23 am |
An impossible discussion without sticking to well defined and stable premises. That's why there's always been necessity to have a "Social" Christian doctrine, and to study, formulate and advance Christian Ethics also on a "secular" basis. To Pilate Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. (John 18:36) ________________  And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth...
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9/28/2009 1:26 am |
I;mnot the ones playing games here--how hilarious is that!! You attacked everything I stand for--but like Jeremiah you are the one who is right--well I;m not going there with you--its defianntly not worth my time lol Apparently you seemed to have thought I was a pretty decent guy. Up until this particular blog string. Now since I don't hold the view that people's free will should be taken from them, and be forced to comply to what a bunch of hipocrites that don't even read the Bible claim that God has said, when it's only what they think God should say, or what they would say if they were God. Now suddenly I'm compared to a convicted $exual molester of children with his own self righteous twist on the Bible. I'm an ungodly man, just like the President; judged over one issue, which itself isn't even in the Bible. Be careful with that lady, we have all sinned, and we are all saved by grace. I don't recall being interviewed when I got saved, or being told that my salvation would become unrighteousness if I didn't agree with the majority on the abortion issue. If I have attacked everything you stand for, then I've done a good thing, because what you stand for is in stark contradiction of the written word of God, the Bible. The Bible doesn't call people murders and baby killers, who didn't personally kill anyone, but simply did not agree with the crowd. The Bible doesn't declare judgment against born again believers who expressed a view, and quoted a Scripture to back it up. The Bible doesn't say anything specific about abortion anywhere. The Bible doesn't tell us to call people names if we disagree with them. The Bible documents over and again that God gave us freedom of will to make our own choices. If we choose correctly we will be rewarded, if we choose wrong we will be corrected. God never imposed force on anyone ever to do His bidding, yet an abortion law, if written as the right wing would support, would force submission to a man made will. I do agree with you on one thing. This issue isn't worth arguing about with you. For you would rather remain ignorant and religious, pass judgment and call names. In this country you are free to do so. Isaiah 66:2b; But to this one I will look, To him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word.
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9/28/2009 2:27 am |
First you need to tell me how you came to the conclusion that the law against abortion did not provide the protection it was hoped to have provided,and for that matter,what protection was it hoped to provide? How about laws against drugs,do you believe they should be repealed? You still did not explain how you know that not one child was saved by the efforts of those standing against abortion,I don't see how anyone other than God could make a statement like that. Radical protester is the key word,they do not stand for the majority for those against abortion and the majority do not support violence.Would you say the doctor was predestined to die just as all those children were predestined to die and God was in complete control of the situation? That's not my position. 88% of abortions are done on women that are professing to be a Christian,might be true but my personal guess is that only a very small % of those women who profess to be Christain are in fact Christian. If few people are going to turn to Christ as Jesus says,how is the church going to eradicate the problem? But it was all kept hush hush. A matter that civilized people didn't discuss openly or publicly. Not much different then self $exual gratification. Everyone does it, but nobody admits to it, or talks about it. I can't provide you with documentation of what people were doing in secret in that day and time. I can't prove how many abortions occured, but then neither can you document a single life that the old abortion law saved. We do know how many abortions have taken place since the law was repealed, and we use that as our gauge, ignorantly assuming the number was zero before the ruling overturning the law was made. That is being sooo nieve, to count only the legal abortions and to ignore the possibility and the proablebility that there were just as many abortions done illegally then, as what is done legally now. The sad fact of the matter is that a law against abortion would be a 'feel good law' at best, immensely ineffective realisticly, and a great expensive mistake at worst. Please tell me, what should the penality be, if an abortion law was enacted, and some woman broke that law. Death penality? How fitting. Kill a woman who killed her baby so that she can't repent and have more children in the future. It may well be that as you said, "Radical protester is the key word,they do not stand for the majority for those against abortion and the majority do not support violence." But what about all the fruitless efforts to end abortion? What about all the money, political support, all the calls and letters to elected officials to oppose abortion? Millions of folks voting in elected officials on that issue alone, all the phone calls to jam the White House switchboards instigated by Rush Limbaugh? All the national solem assemblies held by people like Lou Engle to bring tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands to pray over a matter that has not yealded any results? Never has a matter been brought to God with so much attention, by so many people, without His devine resolution, except for abortion. There must be a reason for this and there is. One that makes a great deal of since to those open minded enough to think it through. Satan thrives on getting people's attention off of God. Anything that can get peoples attention away from God, and on anything else is the devil's first goal. Well the abortion issue has become Satans golden goose egg. He's got believers deceived into spending a lot of time, money, effort, and thought into a political agenda that will never happen. The Republican party knows how hot this abortion issue is with the Christian community, and how complaceint we will become once we get our way. So they string us along into believing that if we elect their party into power, that they will fix it for us with an unending string of events they say must happen to get abortion laws back on the books. As long as we think they are going to fix it we give them money, support, and our votes. Our attention has turned from God to these elected officials who we are hoping will achieve our goals. But there always seems to be some excuse they give us for why it hasn't happened. In truth, they have no intention of giving us an abortion law, because as soon as they do, our votes, money, and political support is gone, and we are back to our lazy complacent lives, and can not be bothered with political issues. So the real question of which political party is more ungodly boils down to... Which would you rather have? A party that says what we don't like, and does what they say? Or a party that tells us what we want to hear, but never gives it to us in order to maintain our support for those who lied to us? Isaiah 66:2b; But to this one I will look, To him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word.
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9/28/2009 7:05 am |
LOL! I found the post I started thinking of! Here: ---> THE 44TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES Just 3 pages... strange how that abortion topic becomes the main political issue!
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9/28/2009 12:17 pm |
So you believe we can clean up the dirty fishbowl ? You miss the point, laws don't stop ( or reduce ) crime. What's the death penalty for ? Does that stop people from committing murder ? The newest crime rates released by the FBI; show very little decrease in crime rates across the country, and in some areas its gotten much worse. We have speed limits too; but do people follow the speed limits ? Not here in Georgia, even with the higher cost of getting a speeding ticket. All of mankind are guilty before God, because we have all broken His Holy Laws. Christians are ( or should be ) the most law biding citizens in the country; but we live by a different standard. To pass laws in hopes of making everyone else live by our standard; isn't what the Christian church is called to do. Before anyone can even care about obeying any laws; God must do a work in their hearts. No law has ever stopped ( or reduced ) sin. Here's a little history lesson for you ( copied from Wikipedia ): "In the history of the United States, Prohibition, also known as The Noble Experiment, is the period from 1919 to 1933, during which the sale, manufacture, and transportation of alcohol for consumption were banned nationally as mandated in the Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Under substantial pressure from the temperance movement, the United States Senate proposed the Eighteenth Amendment on December 18, 1917. Having been approved by 36 states, the 18th Amendment was ratified on January 16, 1919 and effected on January 16, 1920. Some state legislatures had already enacted statewide prohibition prior to the ratification of the 18th Amendment. The "Volstead Act", the popular name for the National Prohibition Act, passed through Congress over President Woodrow Wilson's veto on October 28, 1919 and established the legal definition of intoxicating liquor[1]. Though the Volstead Act prohibited the sale of alcohol, it did little to enforce the law. The illegal production and distribution of liquor, or bootlegging, became rampant, and the national government did not have the means or desire to enforce every border, lake, river, and speakeasy in America. In fact, by 1925 in New York City alone there were anywhere from 30,000 to 100,000 speakeasy clubs.[2] Prohibition became increasingly unpopular during the Great Depression, especially in large cities. On March 23, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt signed into law an amendment to the Volstead Act known as the Cullen-Harrison Act, allowing the manufacture and sale of certain kinds of alcoholic beverages. On December 5, 1933, the ratification of the Twenty-first Amendment repealed the Eighteenth Amendment. " That's a prime example of what happens when a religious movement ( The Temperance Movement ) tries to get laws passed to change the behavior of others. It doesn't work. What death penalty? I feel certain that I would have a very slim chance of being put to death for committing a murder,if so,it would be many many years down the road before it would be carried out.Just look at how many murderers have not received the death penalty and look at how many executions were carried out just in this country,compared to the amount of people convicted of murder,the odds are pretty good you are going to die of old age for that crime. Laws stopped me from committing many petty crimes when I was a teenager,if there were no law or punishment for theft,I would have spent my days looting. I don't for a minute believe laws and punishments are going to stop all crime but they do deter crime. Incarceration was never a form of punishment instituted by God,for some reason or another.Possibly God was a little smarter than us and new something that we are yet to realize for not using incarceration as a form of punishment. The history lesson you presented supports what I have said,laws by themselves do not stop or reduce crime,punishment has to follow. Quote from the article:"it did little to enforce the law".
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9/28/2009 12:20 pm |
You've already gone there. You started this, and you just keep on accusing me of being like Jeremiah. I've not said I was right, or that you were wrong. What is right is the Bible. Apparently you seemed to have thought I was a pretty decent guy. Up until this particular blog string. Now since I don't hold the view that people's free will should be taken from them, and be forced to comply to what a bunch of hipocrites that don't even read the Bible claim that God has said, when it's only what they think God should say, or what they would say if they were God. Now suddenly I'm compared to a convicted $exual molester of children with his own self righteous twist on the Bible. I'm an ungodly man, just like the President; judged over one issue, which itself isn't even in the Bible. Be careful with that lady, we have all sinned, and we are all saved by grace. I don't recall being interviewed when I got saved, or being told that my salvation would become unrighteousness if I didn't agree with the majority on the abortion issue. If I have attacked everything you stand for, then I've done a good thing, because what you stand for is in stark contradiction of the written word of God, the Bible. The Bible doesn't call people murders and baby killers, who didn't personally kill anyone, but simply did not agree with the crowd. The Bible doesn't declare judgment against born again believers who expressed a view, and quoted a Scripture to back it up. The Bible doesn't say anything specific about abortion anywhere. The Bible doesn't tell us to call people names if we disagree with them. The Bible documents over and again that God gave us freedom of will to make our own choices. If we choose correctly we will be rewarded, if we choose wrong we will be corrected. God never imposed force on anyone ever to do His bidding, yet an abortion law, if written as the right wing would support, would force submission to a man made will. I do agree with you on one thing. This issue isn't worth arguing about with you. For you would rather remain ignorant and religious, pass judgment and call names. In this country you are free to do so.
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9/28/2009 12:22 pm |
As if I'm to give you a case by case rundown of how the law failed. You are not old enough to remember what went on when there was a law against abortion. Folks still did it. They went to other countries, or back alley butchers that often killed the mother as well. Even well known doctors had clandistine occasions to perform abortions. But it was all kept hush hush. A matter that civilized people didn't discuss openly or publicly. Not much different then self $exual gratification. Everyone does it, but nobody admits to it, or talks about it. I can't provide you with documentation of what people were doing in secret in that day and time. I can't prove how many abortions occured, but then neither can you document a single life that the old abortion law saved. We do know how many abortions have taken place since the law was repealed, and we use that as our gauge, ignorantly assuming the number was zero before the ruling overturning the law was made. That is being sooo nieve, to count only the legal abortions and to ignore the possibility and the proablebility that there were just as many abortions done illegally then, as what is done legally now. The sad fact of the matter is that a law against abortion would be a 'feel good law' at best, immensely ineffective realisticly, and a great expensive mistake at worst. Please tell me, what should the penality be, if an abortion law was enacted, and some woman broke that law. Death penality? How fitting. Kill a woman who killed her baby so that she can't repent and have more children in the future. It may well be that as you said, "Radical protester is the key word,they do not stand for the majority for those against abortion and the majority do not support violence." But what about all the fruitless efforts to end abortion? What about all the money, political support, all the calls and letters to elected officials to oppose abortion? Millions of folks voting in elected officials on that issue alone, all the phone calls to jam the White House switchboards instigated by Rush Limbaugh? All the national solem assemblies held by people like Lou Engle to bring tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands to pray over a matter that has not yealded any results? Never has a matter been brought to God with so much attention, by so many people, without His devine resolution, except for abortion. There must be a reason for this and there is. One that makes a great deal of since to those open minded enough to think it through. Satan thrives on getting people's attention off of God. Anything that can get peoples attention away from God, and on anything else is the devil's first goal. Well the abortion issue has become Satans golden goose egg. He's got believers deceived into spending a lot of time, money, effort, and thought into a political agenda that will never happen. The Republican party knows how hot this abortion issue is with the Christian community, and how complaceint we will become once we get our way. So they string us along into believing that if we elect their party into power, that they will fix it for us with an unending string of events they say must happen to get abortion laws back on the books. As long as we think they are going to fix it we give them money, support, and our votes. Our attention has turned from God to these elected officials who we are hoping will achieve our goals. But there always seems to be some excuse they give us for why it hasn't happened. In truth, they have no intention of giving us an abortion law, because as soon as they do, our votes, money, and political support is gone, and we are back to our lazy complacent lives, and can not be bothered with political issues. So the real question of which political party is more ungodly boils down to... Which would you rather have? A party that says what we don't like, and does what they say? Or a party that tells us what we want to hear, but never gives it to us in order to maintain our support for those who lied to us? Now you are trying to tell us all the efforts made by those against abortion were fruitless and that nothing is going to change,again,only God could make such a claim as this.God does use people to get things done although maybe not at the speed or manner in which you require and expect of Him. Feel good law you say?,That's opinion,not fact. What I would like to know from you is the number of children that would need to saved from being aborted for you to consider it a fruitful worth while effort? For me the number is one.I do what I believe to be right in the eyes of God no matter what the outcome may be as that is all I can do,the rest is up to God and in His hands,even if it does not seem He is doing things to my expectations. The death penalty for abortion if it were to become a law depends on two things. Does abortion shed the blood of an innocent person and if so,should the the death penalty be received for a person responsible for shedding the blood of an innocent person.
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9/28/2009 11:45 pm |
You are so funny--first you attack my faith as you call it then say I;m ignorant--and religous--all because I;m conservative in my biblical stand--interesting!! I;mnot religous--gave that up yrs ago--ignorant--also wrong--you seem to be the one calling names here!! Continue to beleive your liberal Garbage His--I will continue to stand on his word concerning murdering the unborn--but as far as I;m concerened this issue is over!! You can keep hammering away all you want lol
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9/29/2009 8:38 am |
Yes I believe we can clean up the dirty fish bowl.Laws all by themselves do not stop or reduce crime,punishment has to follow. What death penalty? I feel certain that I would have a very slim chance of being put to death for committing a murder,if so,it would be many many years down the road before it would be carried out.Just look at how many murderers have not received the death penalty and look at how many executions were carried out just in this country,compared to the amount of people convicted of murder,the odds are pretty good you are going to die of old age for that crime. Laws stopped me from committing many petty crimes when I was a teenager,if there were no law or punishment for theft,I would have spent my days looting. I don't for a minute believe laws and punishments are going to stop all crime but they do deter crime. Incarceration was never a form of punishment instituted by God,for some reason or another.Possibly God was a little smarter than us and new something that we are yet to realize for not using incarceration as a form of punishment. The history lesson you presented supports what I have said,laws by themselves do not stop or reduce crime,punishment has to follow. Quote from the article:"it did little to enforce the law". In order for true change to take place; people have to be saved ( born again ), once conversion takes place ( and that by God ), then the convert doesn't need laws to keep them in line; the indwelling Holy Spirit does the job. Stop trying to use the government to do what only the Holy Spirit can. " If you outlaw abortion......then outlaws will get abortions. " No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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9/29/2009 9:05 am |
For the record and my opinion,I don't consider conservative republicans or liberal democrats as socialist but I do believe President Obama fits the description of a socialist.I also believe this country has been getting more socialist through the years. No one was calling for the death of former president Bush??? Do a little research and come back and tell me what you find.I can present you with no less than two dozen death to bush signs and displays,only difference is that I could find no records of arrests made for those individuals unlike the person who was arrested for showing the Obama death sign. I think all government is corrupt and that anything that benefits the people just happens to be a by product of something that helped them gain more power or wealth,that is my side.It just happens that the rep support more of the ideas than the dems do. Who are we taking it back from ? Where did it go ? No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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9/29/2009 6:34 pm |
Christians aren't called to " clean up the dirty fish bowl ", Christians are called to be fishers of men. How do we fish for men ? By preaching the Gospel, to every creature. Not be forcing the unsaved to live by a Christian standard. That doesn't work. The example I gave, on the Temperance Movement; shows the foolishness, in passing laws in order to control people's behavior. You can't control anyone's behavior by introducing rules ( or laws ) which you hope will bring an end to certain sinful practices. You can't enforce such laws because man ( or woman ) will always find a way to get around it. In order for true change to take place; people have to be saved ( born again ), once conversion takes place ( and that by God ), then the convert doesn't need laws to keep them in line; the indwelling Holy Spirit does the job. Stop trying to use the government to do what only the Holy Spirit can. " If you outlaw abortion......then outlaws will get abortions. " Despite the poor job that is done by our criminal justice system,laws and punishment deter crime immensely.Like I said,in my younger days,the reason I did not steal me a new car every day of the week is because it was illegal and I did not want to pay the consequences,it was not because I was a good person.If there was a law against wearing ear rings and the penalty for wearing them was death,and the law was enforced,people would not be wearing ear rings. Going by what you say here,you could not even defend yourself or your family.If someone were going to rape your daughter,you could not impose your Christian standards on the rapist.All you could do was preach the gospel and hope a conversion takes place before the deed.
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9/29/2009 6:42 pm |
Ok........why weren't people holding " Tea Parties " when former President Bush was in office ? Bush was guilty of doing the same things President Obama is doing now. Why all of a sudden, are people attending these so-called tea parties, carrying guns and holding signs which read " Death to Obama ? Never in my lifetime, have I seen so many people ( not just isolated cases ), where there is so much agreement; calling for the death of the President ( there is more to this, than disagreeing with principles ). Sure there have always been those individual crackpots, and sometimes a small anti-government organization who will plot to take out a President. But I've never seen anything like this, and its all the result of conservation talk shows; which have incited people to feel the need to " TAKE BACK OUR GOVERNMENT ". Who are we taking it back from ? Where did it go ? Bush protesters not only had signs,they little displays ( guillotines and nooses and so on),lots of "death to Bush" signs.I'm sure the mainstream media showed that on prime time. President Obama and Bush might share some ideas but there must be something that distinguishes the two.Hollywood and Chavez think so,Hollywood loves Obama and hates Bush,Chavez praised Obama and called Bush the devil.Why do you thing Godless Hollywood despises Bush so much? Why do you think an evil dictator would praise Obama? Carrying guns and signs that read "death to Obama"? Don't you mean sign as in one sign? Who is calling for the death of the president? Individual crackpots or do these people represent the conservative right? Many people (democrats,republicans and independents) believe that the health care and cap and trade bill are going to be another government disaster that heavily taxes the people and that these two bills are going to allow the government to have a tremendous amount of control over people in this country.Many people look at issues in the past that the government had their hand in and saw the results and they believe this is going to be no different. Are these people wrong for thinking this way? Why do you say it is the result of conservative talk shows?
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9/29/2009 8:02 pm |
The two big reasons that I see for the protests of the people are government health care and the cap and trade bill,I don't believe Bush was guilty of those things. Bush protesters not only had signs,they little displays ( guillotines and nooses and so on),lots of "death to Bush" signs.I'm sure the mainstream media showed that on prime time. President Obama and Bush might share some ideas but there must be something that distinguishes the two.Hollywood and Chavez think so,Hollywood loves Obama and hates Bush,Chavez praised Obama and called Bush the devil.Why do you thing Godless Hollywood despises Bush so much? Why do you think an evil dictator would praise Obama? Carrying guns and signs that read "death to Obama"? Don't you mean sign as in one sign? Who is calling for the death of the president? Individual crackpots or do these people represent the conservative right? Many people (democrats,republicans and independents) believe that the health care and cap and trade bill are going to be another government disaster that heavily taxes the people and that these two bills are going to allow the government to have a tremendous amount of control over people in this country.Many people look at issues in the past that the government had their hand in and saw the results and they believe this is going to be no different. Are these people wrong for thinking this way? Why do you say it is the result of conservative talk shows? No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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9/30/2009 1:54 pm |
Who controls the government ? Who runs the world ? Why are you worried about cap and trade, or government run health care. Don't you trust God ? I can understand heathens being concerned about such secular affairs, but why are professing Christians so concerned ?
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9/30/2009 8:45 pm |
Sure I trust God.I trust God even when I am in need of medical attention but I don't just sit around praying about,I take action and let people take care of the problem.God does do things without human intervention but much of the time He uses people to get things done rather they be politicians or doctors. Jesus' KINGDOM is not of this world..........we are strangers in a foreign land, we are in the world; but not of it. So, act and live like you don't belong to it. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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10/1/2009 11:53 am |
Sure God is in control but the actions of people lead the way,they have all through the Bible,account after account.God also uses people to get things done as has been shown in the Bible,account after account. Many accounts of one person making the difference. Do you believe God uses people to get things done? What is God going to keep you safe from?
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10/2/2009 9:03 am |
No dear.......I respect the government, because God ordained it, and commands me to. But I belong to Jesus, not the Government ( the left or the right ). You haven't been around long enough ( at BC ) to read my post, on how I feel about politics. So, don't label me a liberal, I gave up on politics when I became a Christian; because I understand we aren't called to try and change this country ( or the world for that matter ) by being involved in politics. Men change when they hear the Gospel; and God moves on their hearts, not because we use the government to pass laws to try to stop abortion. I wouldn't brag about being on right, if I were you, because there's no difference between them and the left. Don't get me started. If you had, I doubt racial talk, from the lost, would continue to bother you. I no longer care what they say about my shanty Irish mother. I am a prophet of the Lord God Almighty the Father of Jesus Christ.
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 10/3/2009 4:33 pm |
You need to forget right and left, it is devisive, and look behind the smoke screen! Obama follows the same agenda Bush did, Clinton did Bush senior etc... they are only advancing to ward a goal. Global warming, terrorisum and the resulting new laws and taxes and lost freedoms are all part of advancing there goal. What were Bush seniors words in 1991 Quote: "we have the oppertunity to forge, for ourselves and for future generations, A NEW WORLD ORDER, a world where the rule of law, not the rule of the jungle GOVERNS THE CONDUCT OF NATIONS, hmmm a US president talking about governing the conduct of nations when we are sucessful, AND WE WILL BE! we have a real chance at this new world order, an order in which a credible united nations can use its peace keeping role to FULFILL THE PROMISE AND VISION OF THE UN's FOUNDERS" it was allways intended to govern the nations Lets look at a real presidents words, Kennedy. Words that cost him his life because he opposed those who intend to take away free choice. Quote: "The very word secrecy is repugnet in a free and open sociaty, and we are as a people inherently and historicly opposed to secret sociatys, to secret oths and to secret procedings. For we are opposed around the world by a MONOLITHIC AND RUTHLESS CONSPIRICY that relys primarily on covet means for expanding its sphere of influence, on infiltration insted of invasion, on subversion insted of elections, on intimidation insted of free choice. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resorces into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines miitary, diplomatic, intelligence, econimic, scientific and political opperations. Its preperations are concieled not puplished, its mistakes are buried not headlined, its desenters are silenced not praised, self fofiling prophacy that one! no expendature is questioned no secret is revealed, that is why the athenian lawmaker solith to creed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the amrican people, confident that with your help man will be what he was born to be, free and independent" The elite(those who OWN the central banks that lend countrys money that is payed back with intrest and set interest rates) are the same ones who concieved funded and set up instatutions such as the UN, council on forign relations, trilateral commision etc... Through such organisations and because they control the money and therefore the economy, they dictate for the most part to governments concerning there policys. They are also heavly involved in the occult(ever wondered why that has been made populer again through the media while at the same time there is ever incresing resistance to Christ from the world, I can assure you, it is very deliberate. That is where the secret sociatys tie into it all, there into the occult and there members consist of key people. You don't need to control everyone just certain poeple who make laws and who have influence or authority. Thats what kennedy was taking about when he said we are opposed to secret sociatys and to secret oths. I have been researching all this for a few years now and it is no conspiricy theory is what they call an open conspiricy, its just dressed up as somthing different, just like the term a wolf in sheeps clothing. There is alot to it so do your homework and stop looking at the theatrical smokescreen put in front of you, don't play the left and right game or you will be blind and played like a well tunned intsrament, insted think about whether something they want to do is a good thing or not, who stands to benifit and who stands to lose out, and who gains more power. Cap and trade anyone, certain people stand to become very wealthy from all this and its not us, its they same so called elite who thought it up. Yes God gives us our leaders, God also said in the end times He will give us woman and children to be our leaders, He also said because peoples herts are far from Him and they love wickedness He will give them over to do what should not be done hence gay marrige etc... In my opinion the leaders we have these days are a punishment not a blessing. Of course like david didnt seek to kill saul we should not seek to harm those he has put in power, if we want things to change it starts with repentance, but sadly i dont see that happening for many reasons, I see whats in the book of revelation being not to far off.
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10/4/2009 9:30 pm |
Did you also give up being BLACK, when you became a christian? If you had, I doubt racial talk, from the lost, would continue to bother you. I no longer care what they say about my shanty Irish mother. I am a prophet of the Lord God Almighty the Father of Jesus Christ. I was born BLACK, I wasn't born a republican or democrat. I guess I'm stuck....being BLACK. You wouldn't happen to be stuck on STUPID would you ? And you call yourself a prophet. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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10/7/2009 10:46 pm |
Obama was given his power by God, like it or not. The Nation is judged by it's heartbeat. Does the Nation beat according to the Word of God? Does The President give God the glory and seek His ways? If you know these answers, you can find basis to opinions. Historically, the czars, the socialism in line with communism seems to resemble that of Nazi Germany. Tomorrow we may see. Does anyone every ask what God thinks about politics and the Nation? I am amazed that people never even consider God in National matters. No matter, every soul is responsible for what it says and does. All of us must face God. I can't imagine! Ryan
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