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SchoolofJesus 66F

4/23/2009 1:57 am

What would a Christian be doing involved in something so worldly to begin with?

Competition to be chosen "the most beautiful"?

The entire premise is a WORLDLY one to start with; then to come out and "assert your Christian values"?

THIS IS CLAUDIA, TELLING IT LIKE IT IS.


SchoolofJesus 66F

4/23/2009 2:01 am

What would a Christian be doing involved in something so worldly to begin with?

Competition to be chosen "the most beautiful"?

The entire premise is a WORLDLY one to start with; then to come out and "assert your Christian values"?

Its just on the same level as "Christians" being involved in Worldly Politics and trying to make laws to legislate their ideas of Religion and forcing them on everyone else, then claiming they are doing it because they are promoting Christianity.

Jesus said "My Kingdom is NOT of this World". He didnt go around trying to enforce Laws on anyone, its the Beast power that will do this in enforcing the Mark of the Beast, and its the "Christians" who will help do it.

This idea of some "Christian" Woman, going getting herself involved in such a Worldly pursuit and then deciding to "let everyone know her Christian values" is along the same lines.

THIS IS CLAUDIA, TELLING IT LIKE IT IS.


AlanB2 67M

4/23/2009 2:02 am

I pray I have the guts she has when Im put to the "test"..Amen...There's really something about a tough woman isnt there?...GBY



‘HE will rule them with an iron scepter.’... He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.... On HIS robe and on HIS thigh HE has this name written:... KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS."


Rebekka_returns 77F

4/23/2009 10:16 am

I am so proud of her as I know her mother is.

Lord, keep one hand on my shoulder and one hand over my mouth!


Independance
(Patricia )
62F

4/23/2009 11:55 am

she did the right thing, but of course as always the gay community will not tolerate the fact that not all Americans belive in same sex marriage, the gay community always wants others to acept their twisted views as truth but they get furious when and if you think and belive otherwise.

Life is an adventure.


alyosha2 55M

4/23/2009 2:10 pm

Well, at the best she is going for a much better and higher crown.

She answered as a real christian should.


ladylightwalker

4/23/2009 9:18 pm

Yes, of course. Blessings, R and T



"Love is Patient..."


Hisglory77
(Byron )
64M

4/26/2009 12:04 am

Steve;

Outstanding poll, and the 2nd time in less then a week, where we are both in total agreement.
MISS CALIFORNIA absolutely did the right thing. In fact it's making a bigger splash in the news then the actual winner did.
I don't know how many are aware though that she did take 2nd place as runner up. Which means if for any reason the winner can not complete her reign, then MISS CALIFORNIA will become MISS AMERICA.
In my churches prayer room, we have been praying for God to honor her in just that way, so it will be a matter to watch for. But even if not, her reward will be waiting for her in heaven.

I know just how hot and volatile this gay marriage topic has become since my state (Iowa) recently made it legal by a Supreme Court ruling, and our state legislature refuses to address it.
It angers me that they went beyond their boundaries, and it especially hits home with me since I'm engaged myself, and this now changes the terms used on the marriage license, such as bride and groom, with more gender neutral terms.

I wrote an editorial letter to a local newspaper about gay marriage, which appeared two weeks ago. On the following Monday, a lesbian at work decided to make an issue of it on the job, but I did not allow her to bait me into an argument at work over it. I work in one of those affirmative action companies which claim to embrace diversity, so any conflict over such a matter could have gotten me in to a great deal of trouble.
She kept trying, with hopes of getting a response from me that would send me to the front office. I put it out for our prayer team to pray over. Two days later, another co-worker asked me about the letter during a meeting, of when it was published, and I asked the lesbian which day it was. She not only answered that, but then said I'm entitled to my own opinion, and that was the end of that.

Isaiah 66:2b; But to this one I will look, To him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word.


jeremiah1five 63M

4/26/2009 5:56 pm

I have doubts that Miss California is a true blood-bought, Spirit-filled follower of Jesus Christ. It has been revealed that this woman has been entering beauty pageants since she was a minor (age 17). The beauty pageant and other such events originate in the mind of the world and not the mind of Christ. A true Christian woman should not expose her immodesty in wearing a bathing suit for thousands and perhaps millions to see.

My brother Peter instructed wives and women . . . "2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. 3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price"(I Peter 3:2-4).

Miss California answered a loaded question for a seemingly pro-gay individual who may have been gay himself and purposely politicized this worldly event in which a true Christian woman ought not to have been a part of. A true Christian does not speak forth a conviction of Biblical principles and values and then add " . . . not to offend anyone." The Word of God (Jesus) did not come to bring peace on the earth, but a sword (Matthew 10:34). Truth divides. Miss California spoke an answer to the question a Biblical principle from a weakened position of compromise and thus has brought controversy. It is a shame that the word "Christian" has been mocked by the world at this event. I am sure there are many unbelievers who will see this woman and ask themselves as I did . . .

"What is a Christian doing in a beauty pageant?"

There is something wrong with this woman's "Christianity".

BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY:
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Hisglory77
(Byron )
64M

4/26/2009 9:52 pm

    Quoting jeremiah1five:
    I have doubts that Miss California is a true blood-bought, Spirit-filled follower of Jesus Christ. It has been revealed that this woman has been entering beauty pageants since she was a minor (age 17). The beauty pageant and other such events originate in the mind of the world and not the mind of Christ. A true Christian woman should not expose her immodesty in wearing a bathing suit for thousands and perhaps millions to see.

    My brother Peter instructed wives and women . . . "2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. 3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price"(I Peter 3:2-4).

    Miss California answered a loaded question for a seemingly pro-gay individual who may have been gay himself and purposely politicized this worldly event in which a true Christian woman ought not to have been a part of. A true Christian does not speak forth a conviction of Biblical principles and values and then add " . . . not to offend anyone." The Word of God (Jesus) did not come to bring peace on the earth, but a sword (Matthew 10:34). Truth divides. Miss California spoke an answer to the question a Biblical principle from a weakened position of compromise and thus has brought controversy. It is a shame that the word "Christian" has been mocked by the world at this event. I am sure there are many unbelievers who will see this woman and ask themselves as I did . . .

    "What is a Christian doing in a beauty pageant?"

    There is something wrong with this woman's "Christianity".
Jeremiah1five; It's too bad you feel as you do. Obviously, you have poor understanding over exactly what constitutes a saved person.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


It doesn't say anything about how a person dresses, how they conduct themselves, or what they do for a living. Salvation is entirely and only by grace. You're still hung up on works.
The fact of the matter is a true blood-bought, Spirit-filled follower of Jesus Christ is not under the law. You can not judge this woman as being unsaved just because she entered a beauty pageant. Nobody is arguing that such events are worldly standards. But does that detract from her Christianity? Not at all. Participating in such events might just be this woman's calling of God to spread the Gospel.

Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Do you think that beauty pageants are included in the uttermost part of the earth? I don't imagine that too many people in these spheres of influence are going to be attending church, or otherwise seeking the Lord. Who else is going to speak the Word in these circles?
Do you know for certain that this woman does not lead others to Christ within the beauty pageant industry?
She boldly spoke of a Biblical principle on national television. Have you ever done that?

It is in fact you, who speaks from a weakened position of compromise, because anyone of us who passes judgment makes a shameful mockery of being a Christian.
Sir, something is wrong with YOUR "Christianity."

Isaiah 66:2b; But to this one I will look, To him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word.


jeremiah1five 63M

4/28/2009 6:37 pm

    Quoting  :

Godlycook . . .

The Bible does not permit women from entering beauty pageant, but it does instruct women to be modest in their outward appearance and a bathing suit competition does not fulfill that instruction. No one is ever looking at the bathing suit and I am sure a true modesty-obeying sister in the Lord would not submit a fellow believer to view their near naked body in all its shape and form. Such a vision is only for her husband's eyes and only a depraved mind would only think otherwise.

You err, I did not quote from Paul, but from Peter. And your statements on the subject in Paul's letter to Timothy are another matter.

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jeremiah1five 63M

4/28/2009 7:28 pm

    Quoting Hisglory77:
    Jeremiah1five; It's too bad you feel as you do. Obviously, you have poor understanding over exactly what constitutes a saved person.

    Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


    It doesn't say anything about how a person dresses, how they conduct themselves, or what they do for a living. Salvation is entirely and only by grace. You're still hung up on works.
    The fact of the matter is a true blood-bought, Spirit-filled follower of Jesus Christ is not under the law. You can not judge this woman as being unsaved just because she entered a beauty pageant. Nobody is arguing that such events are worldly standards. But does that detract from her Christianity? Not at all. Participating in such events might just be this woman's calling of God to spread the Gospel.

    Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

    Do you think that beauty pageants are included in the uttermost part of the earth? I don't imagine that too many people in these spheres of influence are going to be attending church, or otherwise seeking the Lord. Who else is going to speak the Word in these circles?
    Do you know for certain that this woman does not lead others to Christ within the beauty pageant industry?
    She boldly spoke of a Biblical principle on national television. Have you ever done that?

    It is in fact you, who speaks from a weakened position of compromise, because anyone of us who passes judgment makes a shameful mockery of being a Christian.
    Sir, something is wrong with YOUR "Christianity."
Hisglory77 . . .

I do not post from my feelings, but from the mind of Christ.

Your use of Romans 10:9-10 is misapplication of scripture. This verse is not a formula for salvation. Paul is already speaking to believers. They are already saved. The are the kaleo hagios, or "called saints" (Romans 1: 7)! Miss California did not confess Jesus, she confessed traditional marriage.

Disagree. A true blood-bought, Spirit-filled believer is under the law. Else, what do we do with the Ten Commandments which are part of the moral law? Do we discard them as you suggest in your statement? God forbid: yeah, we establish the law (Romans 3:31)!

I did not say she was unsaved but that I had doubts that she was saved.

YOU SAID: "Nobody is arguing that such events are worldly standards. But does that detract from her Christianity? . . ."

RESPONSE: Disagree. It is our standards of christianity that christians must continually guard against the world (1 John 2:16). Christians must not allow worldly pursuits to dilute their christianity. Nevertheless when the Son of Man cometh shall He find faith in the earth? (Luke 18:8 ).

YOU SAID:"Participating in such events might just be this woman's calling of God to spread the Gospel."

RESPONSE: Disagree. A Christian called of God is ALWAYS for the body of Christ and NEVER for the world!

Again, your quoting of Acts 1:8 is misapplied and misunderstood. Jesus was speaking to His Apostles. Where was Miss California? Where were you in this crowd of 12 Apostles? Or I? No, God does not need us to save a soul. All one need do is look up into the sky on a dark night and see the Gospel of Jesus Christ . . . then be saved by the sovereign will of God. Salvation is of the Lord (Jonah 2:9)! And one does not need to be in "such circles" to share the Gospel. When the Church in assembly closed their doors to worship God we leave the world outside. And when the world gathers in assembly in these "circles" to lift up themselves at these events they leave God outside just the same. And, my ministry is not on national television. I touch people one by one and in person. This is more effective. I do it just like Jesus.

Hisglory77, we've met a few times on the Magazine and you know I do not compromise.

BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY:
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If You Only Knew


SchoolofJesus 66F

4/29/2009 11:42 am

    Quoting  :

NO, not jealous, just saying what the Scriptures say.

Jms:4:4: Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

I would not want to be caught up with the things these women in beauty pageants are caught up in for the whole world. They can keep it. I cannot imagine a "Christian" competing to see who is the "most beautiful" when it was GOD who created each person to begin with. I cant see a real Christian competing in ANYTHING, for that matter. Jesus rebuked those who were doing the "Who is the greatest" thing, remember?

Not to mention some of the immodest outfits they wear. That is not Christian at all.

I'd rather have Jesus.

THIS IS CLAUDIA, TELLING IT LIKE IT IS.


SchoolofJesus 66F

4/29/2009 11:44 am

I should add that most of Christianity today is so blinded by the world that they cannot tell the difference.

THIS IS CLAUDIA, TELLING IT LIKE IT IS.


jeremiah1five 63M

5/1/2009 7:43 pm

    Quoting  :

Disagree. I Peter 3:1-4 deals with more than the "wife" being in submission to her "husband". In 3:1 the word "likewise" means "similar". "Similar" to what? We need to read up into chapter 2, verses 18-25. The word "likewise" connects the flow of thought in I Peter 2:18-25 as Peter applies the instruction to the man and woman relationship, not husband and wife.

We can not read the Bible using 21st century thinking. Peter is a son of Abraham and writes from within a first century culture that is based upon the "law of Moses, and the Prophets and the Psalms" (Luke 24:44). In this culture the female was under the headship of the father first and then when married, to her husband. The woman was given under the authority of a man, be it her father or a husband - even a brother, etc.

In I Peter 3:1 the Greek word translated as "wife" is "gune". This means "woman"(not wife). The Greek word in this same verse translated as "husband" by the KJV translators is "aner", which means "man" (not husband). The KJV translators are guilty of "leading the witness", if you will.

The Greek word "gune" is also found in John 2:4 where Jesus says to his mother, "gune" (woman), "what have I to do with thee?" The translators can not use the word "wife"here for obvious reasons, but I grant you that Peter introducing Sarah and Abraham in verse 6 implies marriage, the leading word in verse 6 "even" ("hos") is not the same as "likewise" ("homoios") in verse 1. The word "homoios" in verse 1 was of importance in the fourth century when the church battled the heresy of Arianism over the substance / essence of Christ in the Trinity debate that was settled first at the Council of Nicea (A.D. 325) and finalized at the Council of Chalcedon (A.D. 451) through the efforts of a brother called Athanasius.

Conclusion? I Peter 3:1-5 it is the man-woman relationship in view here and not the marriage relationship. The marriage relationship is addressed in verse 6 when Peter introduces Sarah and Abraham and the use of the word "hos".

Miss California is a single woman who has no headship. She is not under her father's roof and she is not married. She has no headship. And for a Christian woman with no authority over her this has in the past lead to error. This lends itself to my cause and the evidence that she is involved in a worldly event that Jesus had so clearly instructed us not to involve ourselves . . . no, not beauty pageants, but things of the world. Remember, we must not stray from the Godly principle in Scripture which instructs women to be under the guidance and counsel of the man - father and then husband. Peter is dealing with the submission of woman to the man in similar fashion as Christ submitted to His treatment from the worldly elements of the unrighteous.

My future wife today knows already that she may wear a bathing suit at the beach, but she will wear a pair of shorts and a top over it. She will respect her husband and in so doing, respect herself and Christ.

I understand you allowing your wife to wear what she finds comfortable - that is your house. But as for me and my house we will serve the Lord (Joshua 24:15).

P.S. I haven't been to the beach in 22 years.

BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY:
Where Bible And Christian Meet


If You Only Knew


jeremiah1five 63M

5/3/2009 11:24 am

Godlycook...

I have no problem with what Scripture says, only the interpretation you see in these verses. But I will share one more time my understanding as we seem to have drifted away from your original subject.

I agree with your list of Peters' instruction to the various groups of persons in these verses, namely, submission to government; servants subject to their masters; and I add: Jesus' example of subjection to unrighteousness from His enemies upon His Person; but, in I Peter 3:1-4 he addresses the relationship of women to men (not wives to husbands).

I interpret the words "gune" and "aner" as better interpreted as "woman" and "man", respectively. Why? Because the "likewise" in verse 1 connects what Peter is going to say in these verses to what he writes in chapter 2:13-25. And in 3:1-4 he addresses another significant relationship, that of the woman to a man.

In 3:5, the words "for after THIS MANNER" and the word "ALSO' introduces the wives and husbands in general, and in Peter's personal example of a married couple in verse 6, Sarah and Abe, changes the subject to marriage between the wives and husbands. I am also aware of the dual translations of "gune" and "aner." However, I disagree of your calling them a "dynamic equivilent." This is a term used today by modern translators of the Scriptures. "equivilents" are not as accurate as "word for word" translations, especially one such as the King James Version translation. Another thing...I am not saying that the word "gune" must always by translated as woman.

The "likewise" in verse 7 connects the following imperative of "dwelling with them" to the statements in verses 5 and 6...

...and to every saint "Finally [be ye] ALL of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, [be] pitiful, [be] courteous: Not rndering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing...."

Miss California has tried to abide in the biblical principle of standing up for marriage, but being involved IN THE WORLDLY THINGS (beauty pageant) did not bring conviction to the hearts of its hearers, but conflict. She is embroiled in this controversy now and she has sought shelter with a political group(s) and advertising on television.

Has anyone considered that she was voted second place and not the crown? I wonder why God had so ordained this result? As a pageant contestant her stance upon traditional marriage is morally weakened. I think that since God ordained marriage between one man and one woman He is the one to enforce its doctrine, and I see that second place is not the best platform nor Miss California its best instrument. I doubt her Christianity because of what comes from her mouth. Imagine if God had elevated her to the crown and from this position advocated traditional marriage with authority.

Now this I would call of God!

BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY:
Where Bible And Christian Meet


If You Only Knew


Hisglory77
(Byron )
64M

5/3/2009 10:52 pm

    Quoting jeremiah1five:
    Hisglory77 . . .

    I do not post from my feelings, but from the mind of Christ.

    Your use of Romans 10:9-10 is misapplication of scripture. This verse is not a formula for salvation. Paul is already speaking to believers. They are already saved. The are the kaleo hagios, or "called saints" (Romans 1: 7)! Miss California did not confess Jesus, she confessed traditional marriage.

    Disagree. A true blood-bought, Spirit-filled believer is under the law. Else, what do we do with the Ten Commandments which are part of the moral law? Do we discard them as you suggest in your statement? God forbid: yeah, we establish the law (Romans 3:31)!

    I did not say she was unsaved but that I had doubts that she was saved.

    YOU SAID: "Nobody is arguing that such events are worldly standards. But does that detract from her Christianity? . . ."

    RESPONSE: Disagree. It is our standards of christianity that christians must continually guard against the world (1 John 2:16). Christians must not allow worldly pursuits to dilute their christianity. Nevertheless when the Son of Man cometh shall He find faith in the earth? (Luke 18:8 ).

    YOU SAID:"Participating in such events might just be this woman's calling of God to spread the Gospel."

    RESPONSE: Disagree. A Christian called of God is ALWAYS for the body of Christ and NEVER for the world!

    Again, your quoting of Acts 1:8 is misapplied and misunderstood. Jesus was speaking to His Apostles. Where was Miss California? Where were you in this crowd of 12 Apostles? Or I? No, God does not need us to save a soul. All one need do is look up into the sky on a dark night and see the Gospel of Jesus Christ . . . then be saved by the sovereign will of God. Salvation is of the Lord (Jonah 2:9)! And one does not need to be in "such circles" to share the Gospel. When the Church in assembly closed their doors to worship God we leave the world outside. And when the world gathers in assembly in these "circles" to lift up themselves at these events they leave God outside just the same. And, my ministry is not on national television. I touch people one by one and in person. This is more effective. I do it just like Jesus.

    Hisglory77, we've met a few times on the Magazine and you know I do not compromise.
Yes, I remember you from the Magazine section, but I was not willing to cast the first stone and bring up your past. However, your having done so has opened you up to your own hypocrisy.
I do remember how you were a self-proclaimed prophet, but I was hoping you had matured beyond promoting yourself, and had grown to being promoted only by God. I can see that has not happened yet, but I can still pray for it.
I also distinctly remember you are listed in your state as a sexual predator. This hardly puts you in a position of authority on how unmarried women should conduct themselves.

My usage of Romans 10:9-10; and Acts 1:8 are NOT misapplication, but in fact proper application of totally relevant Scriptures.
The fact that you don't like them is the misapplication.
Romans is indeed addressed to born again Christians, giving instructions of how to lead the unsaved to salvation.
An unsaved person can not lead another unsaved person to salvation.
That would be like when Jesus spoke of the blind leading the blind.

Acts 1:8; is about The Great Commission, and while was originally given to the disciples, it applies to everyone who follows Jesus. These just happened to have been the first real followers of Jesus.
(By the way it wasn't 12, it was 11, and they were not yet apostles at this time.) You really need to read what the Bible actually says instead of trying to make it say what you think it should say.

Such as your statement: "God does not need us to save a soul." That is exactly the job God gave us. He gave US the ministry and word of reconciling men back to God. 2nd Cor. 5:18-19;

You remind me of the Pharisee's who criticized Jesus for eating and hanging out with the sinners and publicans. (People of the world)
You said: " A Christian called of God is ALWAYS for the body of Christ and NEVER for the world!"
Our ministry, our field of service is not in the church, but out in the world. It's more commonly known as evangelism. We make contact with them by meeting them out in the world, (where they are), and we bring them to the church to teach and instruct them, then we send them out again to repeat the process.
2nd Tim. 2:2; And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

I continue to stand with my former statements, and continue to support the brave words given by Miss California

Isaiah 66:2b; But to this one I will look, To him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word.


tesling 49M

5/6/2009 1:18 pm

First of all, Miss CA was set up because Im sure that Perez Hilton KNEW t hat she was saved, and he just didnt like the answer that was given. hence, if he didnt like it, he never should have asked to begin with.

Also, there is nothing wrong with a woman wearing a bikini! MEN, its called SELF CONTROL!(Galations 5:23, Titus 2:2, Titus 2:12, 1 Thesalonians 5:6,8, 2 Timothy 1, 1 Peter 1:13 & 5:8, 2 Peter 1:6) God originally created us to be living NAKED in a garden, but our sin nature messed that one up!

For those that think all of this is wrong, the thing to do is enter those types of contests yourself and make that change to educate the masses how wrong it is, instead of complaining! Example: Martin Luther though that the Catholic Church was wrong in their teachings, so instead of complaining, he went out on his own and started his own denomination! Now look at how many Lutherans beleive in his teachings!

If you "ugly" ladies think that these pagents are wrong, then enter the contests yourself and cry out "discrimination against your constitutional rights" (and carry a copy of the constitution of the USA with you to show them face to face) so that you too can enter and show that true beauty starts with the mind, and not physical looks.

"Christians" quit complaining about everything and DO something about it!


Gray_uncle 71M
1 post
5/11/2009 3:04 pm

Gray_uncle

No matter how she answered someone would be yelling about it. She did the right thing by saying what she believed to be correct. She mentioned her concern for offending anyone. What else could a person do?

People forget, if they ever knew, all this started because health insurance companies refused coverage of 'partners' on family policies. The reaction of the gay/lesbian community was to get a legal family, for health coverage. So the actual root cause was what is often the cause of such things, the root of all evil, $.


JustMe506 56F
444 posts
5/14/2009 9:31 pm

    Quoting SchoolofJesus:
    What would a Christian be doing involved in something so worldly to begin with?

    Competition to be chosen "the most beautiful"?

    The entire premise is a WORLDLY one to start with; then to come out and "assert your Christian values"?
Wow. Interesting point.

I remember a story about a woman who was working in secular law office. I can't remember if she would end every email or phone call with "Have a Blessed Day". Her bosses repeatedly asked her to not do that, but she wouldn't comply due to her religious beliefs. She was eventually fired.

If I remember correctly, (it's been 8 years), she filed a discrimination law suit.

However, you can walk into a bar and drink soda, not just beer.

Have both sides become so polarized that they can't let the other in to "have a drink" of sorts without it being turned into a win/lose situation?


JustMe506 56F
444 posts
5/14/2009 9:38 pm

Another thing I wonder about is the affect of some Christian radio programs, like one talk show (that shall remain nameless..not Dobson).

He would go on and on about the "homosexual agenda". I've heard of stories of those in the industry deliberately choosing hot button topics to increase ratings.

Still other ministries may have supported the gay marriage ban in order to influence donations.. to raise their financial bottom line.

Are we allowing these people, who may have personal gain in the back of their minds, to overly influence us and polarize us, to feel more persecuted than we may actually be?


JustMe506 56F
444 posts
5/15/2009 10:36 am

    Quoting  :

Zing!!

What comes to mind with a half-dozen of everyone's posts is Queen Esther. Queen Vashti refused to comply with her husband's drunken parade demands.

Queen Esther, from what it seems, is a sweet, compliant girl. What do you think she might have done? How did God use (and bless) that?


jeremiah1five 63M

5/20/2009 2:19 pm

    Quoting Hisglory77:
    Yes, I remember you from the Magazine section, but I was not willing to cast the first stone and bring up your past. However, your having done so has opened you up to your own hypocrisy.
    I do remember how you were a self-proclaimed prophet, but I was hoping you had matured beyond promoting yourself, and had grown to being promoted only by God. I can see that has not happened yet, but I can still pray for it.
    I also distinctly remember you are listed in your state as a sexual predator. This hardly puts you in a position of authority on how unmarried women should conduct themselves.

    My usage of Romans 10:9-10; and Acts 1:8 are NOT misapplication, but in fact proper application of totally relevant Scriptures.
    The fact that you don't like them is the misapplication.
    Romans is indeed addressed to born again Christians, giving instructions of how to lead the unsaved to salvation.
    An unsaved person can not lead another unsaved person to salvation.
    That would be like when Jesus spoke of the blind leading the blind.

    Acts 1:8; is about The Great Commission, and while was originally given to the disciples, it applies to everyone who follows Jesus. These just happened to have been the first real followers of Jesus.
    (By the way it wasn't 12, it was 11, and they were not yet apostles at this time.) You really need to read what the Bible actually says instead of trying to make it say what you think it should say.

    Such as your statement: "God does not need us to save a soul." That is exactly the job God gave us. He gave US the ministry and word of reconciling men back to God. 2nd Cor. 5:18-19;

    You remind me of the Pharisee's who criticized Jesus for eating and hanging out with the sinners and publicans. (People of the world)
    You said: " A Christian called of God is ALWAYS for the body of Christ and NEVER for the world!"
    Our ministry, our field of service is not in the church, but out in the world. It's more commonly known as evangelism. We make contact with them by meeting them out in the world, (where they are), and we bring them to the church to teach and instruct them, then we send them out again to repeat the process.
    2nd Tim. 2:2; And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

    I continue to stand with my former statements, and continue to support the brave words given by Miss California
Hisglory77...

I spent much time brooding and cogitating your response and asking the Lord in my heart how I may answer you. You address me on a personal level as well as on the Scriptures. My first reaction was to your theological error, heresy, and flat-out misunderstanding of the Scriptures, that to answer you would take much room on this post

You posted great ignorance of the Scriptures and the beloved truth and doctrine contained in them that I found myself enlarging and expanding my answer to your false faith and misunderstanding that I stopped halfway through and just contemplated one more time all you said concerning the Bible and your holding to those teaching you expouse. So, I began to look more closely to your words. I knew that to cast my precious pearls to you would mean that you would turn and trample them and me in any response you tender. Just as you've done before. So I took a closer look at what you wrote.

And then I understood.

Hisglory77, only an unbeliever and unsanctified person as yourself can hold to the false and heretical teachings as you do and pass them off self-deceptively as you have and turn to call yourself a "christian." But you are no christian, and you do not even know this! You met up with some followers of Pelagius and Arminius, and was mixed in with some Finninian error, and was told a long time ago by these persons that you, as a heathen and pagan, to "just confess with your mouth and believe in your heart and you would be saved" didn't they?

I am so sorry for you. Regeneration and conversion has not come to your house, has it? Nor has grace, forgiveness, nor love. The Holy Spirit has not illuminated your mind to His truth and so you go about in the vanity of your mind and in the power of your own strength and effort and works, and falsely believe you are truly a believer and a member of the Body of Christ. The words from your own heart, and the deceptiveness of your own tongue prove this:

YOU SAID: "Yes, I remember you from the Magazine section, but I was not willing to cast the first stone and bring up your past. However, your having done so has opened you up to your own hypocrisy."

RESPONSE: When I first responded to our host, Mr. Godlycook, you remembered THEN all that took place at the Magazine, didn't you? But there was more for you to hurl at me that was left in your arsenal of hate and prejudice against a true believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, a born-again, regenerated, and delivered child of God whom God chose to call jeremiah1five.

You lie. You are willing to cast the first stone and you have launched it. Your hateful heart intended to besmirch my character and integrity upon my host, Godlycook, and to cause me harm in his eyes and others who visit this blog. Where in my response to you do I bring up my past? Where is my "hypocrisy?"

You so desired to cast the first stone and thereby proclaiming you have no sin! You cast your stone at me and then blame me because I asked if you remembered me from the Magazine? You feign innocence at casting your stone and deflect guilt by heaping the cause upon me. So it's my fault that you throw the first stone?

Yeah, right!

YOU SAID: "I do remember how you were a self-proclaimed prophet. But I was hoping that you had matured beyond promoting yourself and have grown to being promoted only by God. I can see that has not happened yet..."

RESPONSE: I suppose you will now accuse Godlycook of being a self-proclaimed "cook"? A godly one, at that! My call is between God and myself and I serve Him by ministering to true, blood-bought believers, who are true members of the Body of Christ. I infrequenly minister to the unsaved, but primarily to the body of saints in Christ.

Right now, I am definitely NOT being promoted by God. I am being humbled by Him. He is in the process of taking out every speck and log of the old man in me that you would be very surprised at my testimony and life. Many would. No, God (nor I, myself), is neither promoting nor lifting me up - He is breaking me down! And I praise Him for it! I give Him all the glory for it! Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him! I love Him!

YOU SAID: "...but I can still pray for it. I also distinctly remember you are listed in your state as a sexual predator. This hardly puts you in a position of authority on how unmarried women should conduct themselves."

RESPONSE: Will you pray for "it" or for "me?" In order to pray sincerely to God one must love the God whom he can't see immediately after loving the [brother] he can see...if I were your brother, that is. No. We sit at different tables. I at the table of the Lord, and you at the table of "devils" (Greek: "slanderer" 1 Corinthians 10:21)
In order to pray sincerely to God you must have compassion and mercy in your heart for the one you pray for. There must be empathy and fervency, as well as grace. But there is nothing like this in your heart, is there? You just wanted to sound "good" and "righteous", didn't you? Actually, it is self-righteouness, isn't it? For the next statement that pours from your heart is a malicious attack upon my character and person, and, upon the God who saved me.

You kick against the pricks not knowing that you are kicking against your conscience and my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. He bought me. I belong to Him. So take your complaint to Him. I am only His servant answerable to only Him, as you will one day also be answerable to Him. But not now. "Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity" (Acts 8:21-23).

With all due respect to my host, Mr. Godlycook, only a true believer has been able to truly give me grace, mercy, peace, forgiveness, love, joy, compassion, and other blessed fruits of the Spirit. If they have received these from God, they can now gnuinely give them to me.

After all...one cannot give to another that which he does not first possess.

To all who read be aware...

Hisgory77 is NOT a christan (Isaiah 5:20).

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