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No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7 |
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8/22/2008 3:55 pm |
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. I like the last one, it reminds me of re dedications. If at first you do not succeed, rededicate until you do? . . Continue to be faithful, deliverance is near, obedience must be seen, be an unconditional blessing as He continues to bless you. This time is short, serve Him well, serving all. Without exception. Know? Yes? ? .
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8/22/2008 5:17 pm |
Wait... I have to look! 
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8/22/2008 7:06 pm |
Only once. The big sign
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8/23/2008 12:33 am |
I'm going with only once! If it is His work in us that enables our salvation, then a repetition indicates His imperfection! Is He imperfect? Who is it that can make us Stand? Is once not enough?
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8/23/2008 5:46 am |
Once and God seals us with the Holy Spirit.
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 8/23/2008 7:35 am |
Asking how many times a person can be saved makes the presumption one can be saved at all. Belief in God represents a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints
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8/23/2008 8:31 am |
Asking how many times a person can be saved makes the presumption one can be saved at all. But Steve might be a little "rusty" nowadays, since he hasn't had his PC for quite some time...
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8/23/2008 8:49 am |
I suppose by now its obvious why I asked this question. I am responding to something a read on Pete's blog ( about God always having His own way ). There are those who keep objecting to the " Once saved always saved " doctrine, I prefer once saved, always kept. There is a problem for those ( actually many problems ), who are holding to the notion, that a Christian can be lost again, once Jesus' shed blood has been applied, to them; washing away all of their sins, who are making His death an exercise in futility. He only died once, for the sins of all believers, for all time. " He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. " Ironically the Book of Hebrews warns against, those who want to add something to Christ' finished work. Adding anything......effort, law keeping, baptism, various types of works, are an affront to what Christ has done. True works come as a result of being saved, and are the " Fruit of the Spirit ". True works are never added to what Christ has completed, as though we must maintain our salvation. True works are the result of being saved, never the reason for being ( or staying saved ). True works come naturally, and are never seen as an obligation. True works are the result of God's grace, which lead to humility, rather than boasting. Those who believe their ( or anyones ) salvation can be lost, because God doesn't always get His way, have discredited God ( making Him a lier ), by not completely trusting in the death and resurrection of Christ. They are guilty of trusting in themselves ( their efforts ), as a way of pleasing God. Thats sad.  No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/23/2008 8:53 am |
Asking how many times a person can be saved makes the presumption one can be saved at all. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/23/2008 9:02 am |
LOL! Certainly it would have sounded better if worded: " IF one is supposed to/or worthy of being granted salvation...". But still there are many that distinguish between redemption and final salvation, where only the latter means being written in the book of life! But Steve might be a little "rusty" nowadays, since he hasn't had his PC for quite some time... No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/23/2008 10:04 am |
I take that to mean, you're admitting you're not saved. Belief in God represents a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints
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8/23/2008 12:44 pm |
Greetings, What happens to them Christians that thought they where saved that Christ Jesus says, "Get away from me, I never knew you".? No King but CHRIST JESUS!!!
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8/23/2008 7:01 pm |
Greetings, What happens to them Christians that thought they where saved that Christ Jesus says, "Get away from me, I never knew you".? No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/23/2008 10:36 pm |
They weren't really Christians........they are; of those who are considered " Coptic Christians " ( Christian in name only ) who were trusting in something they did to become a follower of Christ. To put it another way, they were self appointed. No King but CHRIST JESUS!!!
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8/24/2008 3:56 am |
But didn't they believe they where saved? Earlier I also believed that "calling a spade for a spade" could solve the problem... now I'm fully convinced that only the Holy Spirit can reveal the Truth and warn against what it isn't worth disputing as well! +++ TO BELIEVE IS MORE THAN JUST BELIEVING - A LITTLE SUMMARY +++ Also the brethren on BC need to rest after the endless word circling, name calling and being accused both of sin and of making God a liar!! This has been going on almost the last two months NONSTOP! Give it a rest now! ___________________________________ Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (John 16:13) 
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8/24/2008 6:57 am |
But didn't they believe they where saved? It makes no difference what you may think it means to be a Christian, or how hard you try to become a Christian, or how many Christian phrases you use, or which church you attend, the method of baptism you received, how often you fast, which Bible you use, how many sunday school classes you teach, how many sermons you preach, how often you pray, how often you attend a worship service, how much you tithe and so on. The question is, does Christ know you ? If those who made such professions were really saved, then Jesus couldn't say, " I never knew you " because He ( and the Father ) would then be liars. Those He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son........ you can't will yourself to be foreknown, but you must be foreknown. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/24/2008 9:30 am |
I guess this begs the question, what does make one a Christian? Belief in God represents a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints
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8/24/2008 5:36 pm |
I guess this begs the question, what does make one a Christian? As Jesus explained to Nicodemus, you cannot see or enter the Kingdom of God unless you have been born again. This supernatural act must be performed by God alone. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/24/2008 7:31 pm |
I guess this begs the question, what does make one a Christian? Some people believe "once saved, always saved", but God's word also speaks of believers falling away, especially in the end times. So to this, I'd say we're truly saved if we remain in relation with God through Christ. Then we know that Christ will He "knows us". My Christ, near and dear Who Leads on BigChurch For Women Only - Christ and the Submission Law God Bless the Believer - Cult or Church When You’re Tempted to Leave the Faith Finding the Road
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8/24/2008 8:30 pm |
Skariff2, accepting Christ as lord and saviour for your life makes you a Christian. "Lord" meaning that you walk in obedience to his leadings, and "saviour" meaning you accept his sacrifice for forgiveness of your sins. Some people believe "once saved, always saved", but God's word also speaks of believers falling away, especially in the end times. So to this, I'd say we're truly saved if we remain in relation with God through Christ. Then we know that Christ will He "knows us". Jesus died for all of the sins of His people, taking them away by nailing them to the cross. In order for a Christian to be lost, Jesus' Blood would have to become ineffective, and powerless to keep saved those he has died for. I don't serve an ineffective Saviour, what He set out to do, can't be undone by any man, woman or devil. Jesus promises never to lose any of His sheep, but to raise them ( all ) up on the last day. We are kept by the power of God; for we cannot be kept by our own power. We are at His mercy. Salvation is truly all of grace. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/24/2008 9:07 pm |
I am a Christian and I take umbrage at anyone denying my Christianity. As for my salvation, I don't know if I'm "saved" or not. I believe I will not have any idea of my salvation until it's too late to do anything about it. I do not believe I am in a position to determine whether Christ "knows" me. It seems to me that Christ is the only one who can make that determination, and I haven't heard from Him on that issue. Belief in God represents a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints
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8/25/2008 4:07 am |
I am a Christian and I take umbrage at anyone denying my Christianity. As for my salvation, I don't know if I'm "saved" or not. I believe I will not have any idea of my salvation until it's too late to do anything about it. I do not believe I am in a position to determine whether Christ "knows" me. It seems to me that Christ is the only one who can make that determination, and I haven't heard from Him on that issue. When a person has been born again ( which you obviously haven't ) then they know they are saved and have eternal life. They aren't waiting to see if they make it. " I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. "1 John 5:13 Christians KNOW..........and their eternal life is a present possession. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/25/2008 5:45 am |
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. I like the last one, it reminds me of re dedications. If at first you do not succeed, rededicate until you do? . . Continue to be faithful, deliverance is near, obedience must be seen, be an unconditional blessing as He continues to bless you. This time is short, serve Him well, serving all. Without exception. Know? Yes? ? .
Meow ? . No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/25/2008 8:07 am |
Skariff2, accepting Christ as lord and saviour for your life makes you a Christian. "Lord" meaning that you walk in obedience to his leadings, and "saviour" meaning you accept his sacrifice for forgiveness of your sins. Some people believe "once saved, always saved", but God's word also speaks of believers falling away, especially in the end times. So to this, I'd say we're truly saved if we remain in relation with God through Christ. Then we know that Christ will He "knows us". We, who don't put the same emphasis in "the predestination theory", don't delimit salvation to be "signed and sealed" ONLY for "the elected in advance". Out of the Scriptures we ALSO get clearly and unequivocally that the possibility of Salvation (due to the infinite grace of God), IS expanded beyond the legitimate people of God. Hence to every single human being that MAY come to "believe" (by being baptized and being reborn), and therefore be converted into confessing, following and having the true faith in Jesus the Messiah in the same proportion as the elect! I would also invite Steve to take into consideration a new "hypothesis" that struck my mind while writing the present comment. Albeit I could accept that the elect will NEVER fall out of their promised salvation, it MIGHT though BE possible or easier for those who weren't and got grafted lately. However, God doesn't discriminate [regardeth not persons], and by the assurance of being TRULY IN HIM, He would bestow the same "perseverance" to His beloved, and ergo it would be unlikely, for them as well, to lose their salvation. Just to summarize: the sheep "know" the voice of their shepherd and they follow him. As I also wrote in the "believing post" I linked earlier, the truly believer's "FRUITS" are SPONTANEOUS and UNCONDITIONAL RESULT of their FAITH! From this, one can deeply know if anyone is saved or not. Certainly NOT BY JUST HEARING SAYING ONE IS. And His Holy Spirit always operates in the Truth and reveals the Truth, even when whatever glitters looks apparently like gold. And we will continue to preach and spread the Good News of Jesus and His peace to everyone independently of their assumed election or not. Amen. ______________ Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (James 5:20)
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8/25/2008 12:03 pm |
longing4rmore.........did you vote ? Do you believe a person can be saved more than once ? Jesus died for all of the sins of His people, taking them away by nailing them to the cross. In order for a Christian to be lost, Jesus' Blood would have to become ineffective, and powerless to keep saved those he has died for. I don't serve an ineffective Saviour, what He set out to do, can't be undone by any man, woman or devil. Jesus promises never to lose any of His sheep, but to raise them ( all ) up on the last day. We are kept by the power of God; for we cannot be kept by our own power. We are at His mercy. Salvation is truly all of grace. God's word says that if you experience Christ's grace and then return to your sins, there is no longer a sacrifice for your sins. Sorry, I don't have the exact quote. My Christ, near and dear Who Leads on BigChurch For Women Only - Christ and the Submission Law God Bless the Believer - Cult or Church When You’re Tempted to Leave the Faith Finding the Road
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8/25/2008 8:20 pm |
I did vote. I voted to once. We're hitting on the question of whether or not you can lose your salvation and the question of predestination, et., not how many times you can be saved. God's word says that if you experience Christ's grace and then return to your sins, there is no longer a sacrifice for your sins. Sorry, I don't have the exact quote. 1. How long does eternal life last ? 2. Does the Bible contradict itself ? 3. Can Jesus' promises be broken ? 4. Who saves you ( you and Jesus, or Jesus only ) ? The text I think you are referring to; is found in the Book of Hebrews. This is what it says: " if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. "Heb. 6:6 Is that the text you're referring to ? I'm sure you'd appeal to others for support of the idea of Christians losing their salvation, but the problem is; with context ( as usual ) and once you examine the entire Book of Hebrews ( along with the other Books of the Bible ), you'd have to give up that faulty premise. I have stated this fact before, the Bible is a Book having continuity of thought, purpose and scope, with one major theme. Although written by approximately 44 different men, it reads as if written by one. The unity of the writers is astonishing, yet there are those who would lead us to believe; that the writers of the Bible present two opposing ideas concerning the gift of salvation. On one hand we have the promise of the forgiveness of sins, and eternal life ( for all who believe ). While on the other hand, believers are said to become entangled with sins, and because of their failure to obey the law, abide, or endure to the end.......... end up re-lost. I have addressed the importance of reconciling scripture, as to keep from falling into the pits of the false teachers, who teach a salvation of works. Yet someone always comes along, who perverts Gods Word by preaching a different Gospel. You don't want to be caught dead, teaching another gospel. Since I'm not one who tries to use the Bible against itself, but rather likes to examine a text in its context ( by understanding its historical application ) lets look closely at the text in question. I would have to ask, what is the Book of Hebrews addressing ? The writer gives us several contrasts, each contrast looks at what was ( the Old Covenant ) and what it has been replaced by ( the New Covenant ). The writer clearly shows the superiority of the Son ( who can be superseded by none ), as compared to the Levitical priesthood, Mose, all aspects of the law, the animal sacrifices and so on. The other thing the writer does, is warn against rejecting the one and only sacrifice worthy of removing God's anger for sin. He warns those who want to return to the old way, which was powerless to save, and could never remove sin. Yet some people continue to hope in a useless covenant. The writer of the Book; refers to those who want to continue trying to please God, by their own works, rather than rely on what Christ alone, was capable of accomplishing; as having an unbelieving heart. Everyone who is trusting in what they are doing, to keep themselves in line, by abiding or enduring, is guilty of not believing what Christ has accomplished by His death. This is the backdrop of the Book of Hebrews ( this is what some Jews were guilty of ) , it is warning against unbelief in what has been done by the supreme sacrifice of Christ, by feeling the need to return to the Old Covenant ( which can't save, and has been done away with ) rather than believe God, for what His Son has done. You can't outdo Christ! And what does the writer say about those who have really trusted Christ, as their Supreme offering ? " But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved. "Heb. 10:39 If a person who professes to know Jesus; " shrinks back ", then that person was guilty of having an unbelieving heart ( was trying to live the Christian life, without being regenerated ) in their flesh. True believers don't ( and can't ) shrink back. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/25/2008 10:31 pm |
OP, I thought I should respond to your comment posted 11:20, but didn't want to have it all show up again in a quote. Frankly I didn't read all that stuff you wrote. I don't believe in "arguing" God's word. We are to speak what is edifying for the moment, which is what I sought to do. Anyone seasoned in God's word knows that it says different things for different situations, so I'd like to reserve my posts for edification. Thanks all the same. My Christ, near and dear Who Leads on BigChurch For Women Only - Christ and the Submission Law God Bless the Believer - Cult or Church When You’re Tempted to Leave the Faith Finding the Road
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8/26/2008 6:00 am |
longing4more........this is partially what you said to Skariff2. " Some people believe "once saved, always saved", but God's word also speaks of believers falling away, especially in the end times. So to this, I'd say we're truly saved if we remain in relation with God through Christ. Then we know that Christ will He "knows us"." In the above statement do you consider what you said to be edifying ? When you cast doubt upon Christ's finished work, how is that edifying to Christ ? What do you mean by saying " anyone seasoned in God's word knows that it says different things for different situations..." ? Has God become double minded ? Perhaps you should have read " that stuff " I wrote more carefully. For my words are indeed edifying ( morally instructing ) building upon Christ, the chief cornerstone. I don't teach that the Bible says different things about salvation, as if God has some alternate plan ( based on failure ). There is only one name and only one way, to be saved and no one can out do Christ........no matter how hard they may try. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/26/2008 7:00 am |
Mmmm... there are more verses... especially warning against false prophets and teachers that will exploit with stories they have made up... For example 2 Peter 2: ... 20. If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22. Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."
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8/26/2008 9:56 am |
Mmmm... there are more verses... especially warning against false prophets and teachers that will exploit with stories they have made up... For example 2 Peter 2: ... 20. If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22. Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud." No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/26/2008 11:28 am |
longing4more........this is partially what you said to Skariff2. " Some people believe "once saved, always saved", but God's word also speaks of believers falling away, especially in the end times. So to this, I'd say we're truly saved if we remain in relation with God through Christ. Then we know that Christ will He "knows us"." In the above statement do you consider what you said to be edifying ? When you cast doubt upon Christ's finished work, how is that edifying to Christ ? What do you mean by saying " anyone seasoned in God's word knows that it says different things for different situations..." ? Has God become double minded ? Perhaps you should have read " that stuff " I wrote more carefully. For my words are indeed edifying ( morally instructing ) building upon Christ, the chief cornerstone. I don't teach that the Bible says different things about salvation, as if God has some alternate plan ( based on failure ). There is only one name and only one way, to be saved and no one can out do Christ........no matter how hard they may try. I submitted my comment as a warning against putting Christ to open shame after partaking of His goodness, and there being therefore no further sacrifice for your sins, as Christ will not die for you again. This is biblical. God is not double minded, nor did I suggest that. Anyone that knows God's word knows that there are many areas where we can enter into wranglings instead of giving sound council for the needs of the moment. My Christ, near and dear Who Leads on BigChurch For Women Only - Christ and the Submission Law God Bless the Believer - Cult or Church When You’re Tempted to Leave the Faith Finding the Road
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8/26/2008 11:43 am |
longing4more........this is partially what you said to Skariff2. " Some people believe "once saved, always saved", but God's word also speaks of believers falling away, especially in the end times. So to this, I'd say we're truly saved if we remain in relation with God through Christ. Then we know that Christ will He "knows us"." In the above statement do you consider what you said to be edifying ? When you cast doubt upon Christ's finished work, how is that edifying to Christ ? What do you mean by saying " anyone seasoned in God's word knows that it says different things for different situations..." ? Has God become double minded ? Perhaps you should have read " that stuff " I wrote more carefully. For my words are indeed edifying ( morally instructing ) building upon Christ, the chief cornerstone. I don't teach that the Bible says different things about salvation, as if God has some alternate plan ( based on failure ). There is only one name and only one way, to be saved and no one can out do Christ........no matter how hard they may try. I didn`t read your first post in response to mine because you seemed more interested in slamming me with your interpretation of truth instead of providing wisdom. I don`t need to be slammed. I need to be nurtured. My Christ, near and dear Who Leads on BigChurch For Women Only - Christ and the Submission Law God Bless the Believer - Cult or Church When You’re Tempted to Leave the Faith Finding the Road
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8/26/2008 7:53 pm |
I wish to add that Christ died once for all, yet the majority will be lost. I`m not casting doubt on Christ`s finished work. I`m bringing forward our need to say `yes` to Christ and to mean it. Otherwise His works won`t effect your salvation. We have to take some responsibility for whether we enter in or are lost. I didn`t read your first post in response to mine because you seemed more interested in slamming me with your interpretation of truth instead of providing wisdom. I don`t need to be slammed. I need to be nurtured. Where does it say that ? Christ said He will lose none, of those given to Him by the Father. " And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. "John 6:39 Now according to Christ, the will of the Father is certain. How is it you say something different. Do you just make things up as you go along, whose gospel are you teaching ? I suppose you think that the father gave Christ all, but all won't come or somehow be lost. Your idea isn't consistent with the WORD OF GOD.........for in it we learn that there is nothing in all creation; that can separate the believer form the love of God, that is in Christ Jesus. You also stated: " My concern is that people would feel they can be "saved" and then live like the devil and still be saved. " Where do you get this stuff ? Do you understand the doctrine of sanctification ( or do you believe sanctification is something you do ) ? What is the purpose of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ? He keeps us in check, and we don't live like the devil. Perhaps you missed this: " True works come as a result of being saved, and are the " Fruit of the Spirit ". True works are never added to what Christ has completed, as though we must maintain our salvation. True works are the result of being saved, never the reason for being ( or staying saved ). True works come naturally, and are never seen as an obligation. True works are the result of God's grace, which lead to humility, rather than boasting. Christians don't live in sin ( don't practice sin ); for we have been changed ( given a new heart ), and we seek to do the will of the Father and the Son, and trust in Him alone for our salvation. I asked you a question earlier, and you avoided answering it. I'm giving you another opportunity........Who saved you ? Was it Jesus only or you and Jesus ? I'm not slamming you, I'm correcting you. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/26/2008 9:47 pm |
godlycook, you ARE slamming me, as well as others who have made posts. There was nothing in my posts to correct. These are all things I found in God's word, which means I can trust them to be true. You're putting words in my mouth seeking a spiritual banter, and I'm not into fighting. I didn't say the majority of things you're accusing me of. God exhorted us to avoid meaningless wranglings concerning the word. I doubt God could use you to reach me even if I was wrong, and I happen to be at peace concerning what I believe. I don't believe your posts are being led by the Holy Spirit. Have you ever heard people talk about those who jam God's word down your throat? They're not well received, and largely ineffective for God. You might wish to change your demeanour. That's all I'm trying to say. My Christ, near and dear Who Leads on BigChurch For Women Only - Christ and the Submission Law God Bless the Believer - Cult or Church When You’re Tempted to Leave the Faith Finding the Road
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8/27/2008 5:05 am |
godlycook, you ARE slamming me, as well as others who have made posts. There was nothing in my posts to correct. These are all things I found in God's word, which means I can trust them to be true. You're putting words in my mouth seeking a spiritual banter, and I'm not into fighting. I didn't say the majority of things you're accusing me of. God exhorted us to avoid meaningless wranglings concerning the word. I doubt God could use you to reach me even if I was wrong, and I happen to be at peace concerning what I believe. I don't believe your posts are being led by the Holy Spirit. Have you ever heard people talk about those who jam God's word down your throat? They're not well received, and largely ineffective for God. You might wish to change your demeanour. That's all I'm trying to say. " You're putting words in my mouth seeking a spiritual banter, and I'm not into fighting. I didn't say the majority of things you're accusing me of. " Really, I'm putting words in your mouth. You didn't say this:" My concern is that people would feel they can be "saved" and then live like the devil and still be saved. " I quoted you, I wouldn't consider that putting words in your mouth. So where did you find that idea in the Bible ? You're still avoiding the question. Why is that ? Usually, people who constantly avoid answering questions; have something to hide. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/27/2008 11:24 am |
Whatever gave you the idea that I'm joking. ( banter= good natured joking ) " You're putting words in my mouth seeking a spiritual banter, and I'm not into fighting. I didn't say the majority of things you're accusing me of. " Really, I'm putting words in your mouth. You didn't say this:" My concern is that people would feel they can be "saved" and then live like the devil and still be saved. " I quoted you, I wouldn't consider that putting words in your mouth. So where did you find that idea in the Bible ? You're still avoiding the question. Why is that ? Usually, people who constantly avoid answering questions; have something to hide. If you require the definition of blatant, it reads as such: 1. brazenly obvious; flagrant: a blatant error in simple addition; a blatant lie. 2. offensively noisy or loud; clamorous: blatant radios. 3. tastelessly conspicuous: the blatant colors of the dress. My Christ, near and dear Who Leads on BigChurch For Women Only - Christ and the Submission Law God Bless the Believer - Cult or Church When You’re Tempted to Leave the Faith Finding the Road
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8/27/2008 11:37 am |
I just read your profile OP. If you're a bible study teacher, why don't you know this stuff? I repeat, maybe you should check the spirit from which you teach. The Holy Spirit speaks to us with wisdom from above, something that man can't comprehend. It is spiritually appraised. I ask again that you check your spirit. My Christ, near and dear Who Leads on BigChurch For Women Only - Christ and the Submission Law God Bless the Believer - Cult or Church When You’re Tempted to Leave the Faith Finding the Road
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8/27/2008 2:11 pm |
I just read your profile OP. If you're a bible study teacher, why don't you know this stuff? I repeat, maybe you should check the spirit from which you teach. The Holy Spirit speaks to us with wisdom from above, something that man can't comprehend. It is spiritually appraised. I ask again that you check your spirit. When you read my profile, did you also see that I said, I'm an apologist ? Not meaning " I'm sorry ", as in apologizing for a wrong done, but rather to " give an answer ". The Greek word apologia means defense. Its used by Peter in a judicial sense; in 1 Pet. 3:15 and means to give a defense ( to answer for oneself ) for the HOPE that is in you. " But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defence to everyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear " Unfortunately, those who believe a Christian can lose his ( or her ) salvation; can't give an answer for such HOPE, because they don't have it. Those who hold to the notion of being saved, with the chance of being re-lost, can never be sure of what awaits them. They live a life of uncertainty, not knowing from one moment to the next; if they will endure to the end. Trusting in what they do to abide, their keeping of the law, their perfection ( which isn't achievable ). Thats why you don't have an answer. You don't have the hope of eternal ( unending ) life, and the forgiveness of all of your sins ( not meaning to run out and sin all the more ). Salvation to you is doing your best ( trying to top Jesus ), and you'll never make it to heaven that way. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/27/2008 5:40 pm |
OP: You "apologetically" stated "They live a life of uncertainty, not knowing from one moment to the next; if they will endure to the end. Trusting in what they do to abide, their keeping of the law, their perfection ( which isn't achievable ). Thats why you don't have an answer. You don't have the hope of eternal ( unending ) life, and the forgiveness of all of your sins ( not meaning to run out and sin all the more ). Salvation to you is doing your best ( trying to top Jesus ), and you'll never make it to heaven that way." OP, how dare you. I'm in Christ. I have faith until the end, and I know that I'm saved. The Holy Spirit evidences it within me. I don't proclaim to be saved by my own works. You are not moving in apologetics. You are contentious, and you have a false spirit. My Christ, near and dear Who Leads on BigChurch For Women Only - Christ and the Submission Law God Bless the Believer - Cult or Church When You’re Tempted to Leave the Faith Finding the Road
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8/27/2008 5:47 pm |
And what I said was that we have to choose care to be in relationship with Christ. I made no mention of having to fulfill the laws. You falsely accuse the brethren, and that's from a different spirit than God. My Christ, near and dear Who Leads on BigChurch For Women Only - Christ and the Submission Law God Bless the Believer - Cult or Church When You’re Tempted to Leave the Faith Finding the Road
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8/27/2008 5:56 pm |
OP: You "apologetically" stated "They live a life of uncertainty, not knowing from one moment to the next; if they will endure to the end. Trusting in what they do to abide, their keeping of the law, their perfection ( which isn't achievable ). Thats why you don't have an answer. You don't have the hope of eternal ( unending ) life, and the forgiveness of all of your sins ( not meaning to run out and sin all the more ). Salvation to you is doing your best ( trying to top Jesus ), and you'll never make it to heaven that way." OP, how dare you. I'm in Christ. I have faith until the end, and I know that I'm saved. The Holy Spirit evidences it within me. I don't proclaim to be saved by my own works. You are not moving in apologetics. You are contentious, and you have a false spirit. " OP, how dare you. I'm in Christ. I have faith until the end, and I know that I'm saved. The Holy Spirit evidences it within me. I don't proclaim to be saved by my own works. You are not moving in apologetics. You are contentious, and you have a false spirit. " How do you know you'll make it ? After all, you stated; you don't believe the doctrine of " Once saved always saved ". If the chance exist that you can lost it........ I guarantee you'll lost it. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/27/2008 9:59 pm |
OP stands for "original poster" or some such reference. That would be you. You have a lot of nerve arguing people are lost when they're in Christ. You insult the gift of Christ's salvation. I rebuke your condemnations. My Christ, near and dear Who Leads on BigChurch For Women Only - Christ and the Submission Law God Bless the Believer - Cult or Church When You’re Tempted to Leave the Faith Finding the Road
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8/28/2008 11:26 pm |
That's really interesting, you are denying your own salvation by saying " I don't know if I'm " saved " or not. " Then you say, " I will not have any idea of my salvation until its too late. " You should take umbrage with yourself. When a person has been born again ( which you obviously haven't ) then they know they are saved and have eternal life. They aren't waiting to see if they make it. " I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. "1 John 5:13 Christians KNOW..........and their eternal life is a present possession.  - Pat -God's Freebies !! Please pray for my kitty Blackness. My sister called me last night.
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8/29/2008 1:30 am |
I did vote. I voted to once. We're hitting on the question of whether or not you can lose your salvation and the question of predestination, et., not how many times you can be saved. God's word says that if you experience Christ's grace and then return to your sins, there is no longer a sacrifice for your sins. Sorry, I don't have the exact quote.  } !![image] I want to thank you for getting me into the Study Bible tonight. The scripture you referred to was actually a warning to Jewish Christians who were tempted to reject Christ for Judaism; but it applies to anyone who turns his or her back on Him. And if a person does something like that after having understood His sacrifice, then there's no way they were saved in the first place! "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." Hebrews 10:26-27 When I first read your comment, I thought of the following scripture. Again, it refers to those who reject the living Christ Jesus: "Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation." Mark 3:28-29 God is forgiving when we repent; however, if we defiantly sin His judgment can be severe! "But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him." Numbers 15:30-31 Just as a shepherd should, Jesus protects his people from eternal harm; even though as believers we're in the devil's domain, He offers everlasting safety. "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:28-29  - Pat -God's Freebies !! Please pray for my kitty Blackness. My sister called me last night.
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