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Sojourner06 60M
1768 posts
4/20/2015 11:12 am

Poor people being illiterates. How can anyone be a True Believer if he can't read the Bible? How to get to know God if you can't read?
Belief is not knowledge but trust.

In Him.

Who is the one to decide if people believe the Bible the right way?

And who is to decide what believing the Bible the right way is?

500 years ago, some church leaders made definitions on what true Belief was. Then came the Inquisition and a lot of people was dragged to the Court of the Inquisition, convicted and executed. Burned for being heretics.

And the reasons for making those definitions on Right Belief started RIGHT at the same point of view, as you express above.

And do you know: a LOT of those people convicted for being Wrong Believers are today considered to have been Spirit filled Christians who only followed the one and only True God. - and I am not writing of Catholic Sainthood!!

It is NOT possible - but even though convenient for men - to make ANY system by which it is possible to decide between true believers and heretics.
Not as long as we are talking of true believers of the Only True God, instead of members of a certain church; congregation; denomination or organisation.

There is only ONE true Church in this world, and it's not made by the hands of men. Ecclesia. God's own Church.
And it's members are scattered in churches; congregations; denominations and organisations in many countries all over the world.

There might be some people who you think or believe are more christian than others. There will always be some people who you prefer more than others as Christians. But that doesn't make any of them more or less christian in the eyes of God.

AND you can find people who profess themselves as christians or non-christians. But only God knows what they really are.
We are to fight evil and help those who need help. We are to love all, but not to allow everything.

So what to do?
You need to ask God of what to do.
The Holy Spirit is the only one who really knows what is going on. Ask Him and do as you are told.

Blessings



Mogens

I Can Explain It To You, But I Can’t Understand It For You

Good News For Christian Man ABP

"REVELATION"


Sojourner06 60M
1768 posts
4/20/2015 4:01 pm

"1900 years ago, and I'm not talking about the Apostolic Church. I'm talking about philosophers who said they were the church and changed the meaning entirely of any original church teachings."

Quite a statement. Only used today by the Gnostic Church and a few others.

"1900 years ago, and I'm not talking about the Apostolic Church. I'm talking about philosophers who said they were the church and changed the meaning entirely of any original church teachings."

Quite a statement you have to prove as well.

Poul didn't say "follow me". Poul used his entire life as Christian by pointing at Jesus, not himself.
And Poul never managed to be in total agreement with Jesus. That's why he clung to the Salvation in Christ.

I am more concerned Europe should become like the U.S.
We are always approximately 20 years behind the U.S. in any kind of new things

Prostitution. ..? You find Prostitution in every country all over the earth.
One of the ancestors of Jesus worked as a Prostitute.
A Prostitute helped when getting out of Jericho.

Prostitution has been there almost from the beginning .
America has it fair share of Prostitutes as well.
So I don't think legal vs. illegal Prostitution makes any difference.

For being a Prostitute you need customers. No customers, no Prostitution.
Drugs and Drug addiction. Where did it come from. Who did the most to spread it out worldwide so we now have a real Drug problem all over the woræd?
Who brought it in from Asia, and turned it from the few and into real big business?

The only one to direct what we shall say and do is the Holy Spirit. Not man made extractions from any script; philosophy or prophecy.
We need to be in accordance with Jesus and what He tells us. That's the only way of doing things right in that "now" we exist in. Be tuned in on Him and Him alone.

Everything else is waste of time. Your (short) time (here); the time of Jesus and the time of the lost souls.

Blessings



Mogens

I Can Explain It To You, But I Can’t Understand It For You

Good News For Christian Man ABP

"REVELATION"


Sojourner06 60M
1768 posts
4/20/2015 7:55 pm

    Quoting  :

Might be, but I am pure Danish!!

To me it looks nearly like you are trying to store me in some kind of box of yours. Is that some way you use to handle things you don't understand??

I mean suddenly you start writing about Roman; "my group"; Infant baptism; Trinity Belief; ...?

What's the next? Make and model of my motorbike(s)
Colour of skin?
Education?
Browser type?

Where have I rejected real facts? I have asked you for facts on the things you claim here, and I am still waiting for them... Facts...?

Now you have made the attempt to put me in some boxes of yours. Based on which facts??
And by the way: If you don't mind facilitate the lid slightly on the box at your left; the one in the corner and the blue one over there, then I would be most grateful. You see some parts of me are not in those boxes, and it is not that much comfortable to be stored like this.
- by the way: Do you have a smart yellow box for my....? Yes, they lies right there on the floor...

Blessings



Mogens

I Can Explain It To You, But I Can’t Understand It For You

Good News For Christian Man ABP

"REVELATION"


Sojourner06 60M
1768 posts
4/20/2015 8:45 pm

    Quoting  :

You really have a lot of things you call "facts" and that's okay you think it is facts.
But why are you using your assumptions; perceptions and understanding of the truth to divide between who YOU think is a believer/christian and who's not?
Okay I know there are a lot of religious people who do the same, but a lot of what you write - and especially after you found out I don't buy your "facts" without proof - reminds me of the text:

"These ludicrous conspiracy theories are just a smokescreen to hide the incredible truth!

That 200 years-argument of yours are used by the Gnostics; the Muslims; DaVinci conspiracy theory lovers and it is a part of the Teachings of JW.

Poul said "Now they start saying they are followers of xx or yy or zz because they where baptised by these men, but I am thankful because I didn't baptise any men - maybe except for one or two. So nobody have any reason to be followers of me". I guess you interpret something he said into he wanted them to be followers of him.
But Paul wanted people to see an EXAMPLE of how they should live. And do like him: Follow Christ!

And I can see you make some statements of what the churches in Europe did to people. And besides that claims alliance with false religions. Honest your response makes you look quite confused.
orthodox are murderers and I am suddenly defending the orthodox... you reckon from out of what??

Unlike you, I don't have a "belief-system", and I don't need any!!
I don't have a "need" of belonging to a certain church - to become a sectarian.

I don't feel the need of defending my understanding and perception of Christ.
I would like that this conversation had been mutual exchange of what we believe in for the growing of matureness for both of us. But I reckon you are having it all set in boxes, and you are not willing or able to get all the stuff out of your boxes and then take a fresh start.

Sorry for saying, but you seem quite stuck in your ideas to me.

I know you can always use the argument of being more clever and wise as I am. But to me it is not the perception of your ideas and/or understanding that makes it complicated. But the way you jump from one thing to another and back again. To me you seem to start talking about one thing, but suddenly you are addressing something VERY different.
E.g here from [post 183950]: "No doubt Saul and David had hate for people in their lives, but I think they have eternal life. Saul and David converted but I don't think Calvin realized his fallen nature even though he made the Institutes."
From Saul and David - via their eternal life - via Calvin and his fallen nature - to the Institutes he made.
Where is the relevance; the input from somewhere that lead to writing this; ...?

I asked in the previous post for your specific definition of what you reckon a Christian is....? And you start by mentioning Saul; David; Calvin; hate for people; eternal life; fallen nature Institutes...

But of cause I am only a smallholder from Europe.

Blessings



Mogens

I Can Explain It To You, But I Can’t Understand It For You

Good News For Christian Man ABP

"REVELATION"


Sojourner06 60M
1768 posts
4/22/2015 12:52 am

Orthodox. Romans. Liberals. Trinitarians. Calvenists. Humanists. Lutherans. Anglicans.

You use a lot of labels for others, but what is your Denomination/Church?
Which one do you belong to?

Blessings



Mogens

I Can Explain It To You, But I Can’t Understand It For You

Good News For Christian Man ABP

"REVELATION"