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RockyG666 63M
1750 posts
6/10/2016 8:59 am

Last Read:
6/16/2016 7:57 am

a chapter a day in the bible keeps god on my heart

i have been reading a chapter faithfully a day in the bible since i first posted that i have been going thru it again. i have been thru ALL of the gospels, acts, and ephesians, as well as both samuels. i am starting over in genesis now and came across something i may have not taken as serioiusly before.

in genesis 25, when abraham dies, it talks about his 1st ishmael:
This is the account of the family line of Abraham’s Ishmael, whom Sarah’s slave, Hagar the Egyptian, bore to Abraham.

13 These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, listed in the order of their birth: Nebaioth the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, 14 Mishma, Dumah, Massa, 15 Hadad, Tema, Jetur, Naphish and Kedemah. 16 These were the sons of Ishmael, and these are the names of the twelve tribal rulers according to their settlements and camps. 17 Ishmael lived a hundred and thirty-seven years. He breathed his last and died, and he was gathered to his people.

His descendants settled in the area from Havilah to Shur, near the eastern border of Egypt, as you go toward Ashur. And they lived in hostility toward all the tribes related to them.

(near as i can tell, this is the gaza strip and the middle east)

ishmael sired 12 tribes, as did the bible narrated 12 tribes of isaac. islam focuses on the 12 tribes of ishmael the same as judea focuses on those of isaac. i have never known that the two faiths were so similar. the quaran begins with the torah (the same 5 books that are in the old testament) and only varies on its description of ishmael (he is held in much higher regard in the quaran).

i purposely am not taking sides here. i just think it is no wonder that the two faiths are at such odds today.

----I was wrong, there were not 12 tribes from Isaac, they were from his Jacob, once removed----


RockyG666 63M
1357 posts
6/13/2016 1:05 pm

actually, I have intentionally NOT taken a position on this subject. I only pointed out that there were 12 tribes from Ishmael, like there are 12 tribes from Jacob. the bible NEVER states that non-believers are going to hell, that is in the quaran. although, I am NOT going to argue this argument again.

also, I am not very well versed in the quaran, BUT there is a hadith (like a commandment/in commentary) that states that jews and Christians also know the one true god and they should be respected.

AGAIN, I am NOT taking any position here.

my ONLY position is that we should all try to get along under god and that we have more in common than not.

god bless


RockyG666 63M
1357 posts
6/13/2016 1:07 pm

hi freebie, meow. god bless. read the bible yourselves. it is amazing


Sojourner06 60M
1768 posts
6/15/2016 5:04 am

The Hadth you quote comes from the first (half) part of the quaran. Before the wars against his former co-citizens of Mecca.

After that all things changes and makes the foundation for jihad.
Converting others to Islam using force is illegal according to the Quaran and it's not a valid conversion.
Nevertheless it's used nowadays...

Just remember: If the children dies (or they are getting killed) there is none to inherit the king; except for the servants...

Blessings



Mogens

I Can Explain It To You, But I Can’t Understand It For You

Good News For Christian Man ABP

"REVELATION"


RockyG666 63M
1357 posts
6/15/2016 8:19 am

please note that the graphic pictures crazies on both sides, and that they are not the bulk of the people of the faith.


Sojourner06 60M
1768 posts
6/16/2016 12:05 am

I know.

We as Christians still harvest what was sowed doing the time of Crusades back in the 12th century. Digging history for what happened by our hands doing those days still makes me wonder how so many could loose their heads and mind so fast.

Richard the Lionhearted who took 3.000 Muslim women and children as hostages and told Saladin they would go free if Saladin paid a huge ransom in gold.
Saladin paid the ransom and Richard got all the killed....

The siege and plunder of Constantinople...... Just because some people belonged to another denomination and wanted money so badly.....

Conquering cities and then kill all the inhabitants being it Muslims or Jews....

They are not the bulk, but their craziness and violence gives them the power to set the standard of "real faith". Believe otherwise and you are dead meat......

Blessings



Mogens

I Can Explain It To You, But I Can’t Understand It For You

Good News For Christian Man ABP

"REVELATION"


RockyG666 63M
1357 posts
6/16/2016 7:57 am

please read my latest post here "world religion"