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RockyG666 63M
1750 posts
11/24/2014 10:35 am

Last Read:
12/31/2020 7:26 am

fornication? no thanks, but extramarital relations is not sin. NOPE.

The FIRST occurence of a word translated as fornication is used in the Old Testament, II Chronicles 21:81. The word is from the Hebrew, No. 2181, Zanah, defined by Strong’s as: "to commit adultery (usually on the female, and less often of simple fornication, rarely of involuntary ravishment); fig. To commit idolatry (the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of [Yahweh])…"

NOT at all extramarital relations. nope.

Strong’s offers a broad definition and not an exact definition. to completely understand the usage of a particular word in the Hebrew or Greek, one must examine the context of the passage in question.

a Complete Word Study offers a more decisive definition than Strong’s. "To fornicate, commit fornication, be a , play the , commit adultery; to apostatize, have intercourse with false gods or foreigners; to seduce. "

again. NOT at all simple extramarital relations. nope. if you love someone and are committed to them, and you sleep together...it is NOT fornication by ANY stretch of the imagination.

The second word translated as fornication in English is found only once in Hebrew, in Ezekiel 16:29. The word fornication in this passage is from the Hebrew, No. 8457, taznuth, and simply means a type of idolatry.

NOT at all extramarital relations. nope.

The third word translated as fornication is found in the Greek and is first used in Matthew 5:32. This word derives from the Greek word, No. 4202, porneia and is defined in the Strong’s as follows, "from 4203; harlotry (incl. Adultery and incest); fig. Idolatry: - fornication."

NOT at all extramarital. nope.

In 1 Corinthians:5 Paul tells the Corinthian assembly to remove the sin allowed in their church. One sin listed by the Apostle was a gentile committing "fornication" with his father’s wife. Now this is not what we consider fornication, but more accurately this signifies incest with his stepmother, and this WAS a sin listed in Leviticus.

it is NOT a NEW commandment against non-married relations at all. NOPE.

Fornication in either the Hebrew or Greek can have a wide range of definitions. It can mean literal fornication, adultery, harlotry, incest, pedophilia, bestiality, or any other restriction that Yahweh has placed for mankind to observe.

it is NOT a clear commandment against premarital relations. NOPE. there is NO commandment against unmarried bouncy bouncy. NOPE.

Leviticus says that if a man impregnates a virgin he must ask her father for her hand in marriage. THAT is the closest to a commandment about extramarital relations which exists.

if the woman is not a virgin, he doesn't have to marry her. if her father says no, he doesn't have to marry a virgin. if a woman is not a virgin, and isn't married, that means she already had extramarital relations.

it is all well and good if you believe you should not have pre-marital relations. good for you and yours. it is a wise course of action, and the apostle paul agrees with you.

HOWEVER, pre-marital relations is NOT sin. NOPE.

READ the bible, don't just listen to people who SAY they know what the bible says. and if you want to listen to people that don't know the bible from a hole in their head, that is your prerogative.

but do NOT accuse others of sin when you don't even know what the bible says.


RockyG666 63M
1357 posts
11/25/2014 10:44 am

hi cookie monster. you don't know squat


RockyG666 63M
1357 posts
11/26/2014 10:59 am

I am not saying if it is ok or not.

I am saying there is not a commandment against it so it is not a sin


RockyG666 63M
1357 posts
11/26/2014 5:27 pm

I am sorry that the bible doesn't say what you want it to say petey.

I am glad you are still alive even though you are a royal pain in my keyster


Chris4Christ 59M
118 posts
11/27/2014 7:50 am

I completely disagree with your take on this, Rocky.

By that exact same line of interpretation that you are using, since internet p0rn isn't specifically mentioned in the bible either, is that also considered not sinful?
And since it seems you might be trying to justify some sexual immorality in your life by pointing out what you can't find (or won't spend enough time trying to find) in scripture, is it also permissible by God to masturbate?
How about sexual relations with inanimate objects?
After all, those are also not mentioned specifically in the bible either.

The fact that you felt compelled to post this blog entry does more than hint that you're feeling conviction over something directly related to the subject matter.

The OT is littered with scripture where God specifically makes it a point to detail everything that He has commanded us to abhor and turn from in our sinful lives, because He knows the evil in mans heart.
And it's even more obvious in these times that mankind still needs those specific commands and instructions, because we as a society are embracing anything and everything on the premise that "it feels good", and / or "it isn't hurting anyone". Yet we ignore or deny the fact that it pains God to see us in continuous and unrepentant rebellion.

We're all sinners, and prone to err.

But twisting scripture or failing to find something in scripture that doesn't exactly command you against doing "this" or "that" when you feel it within you that it ISN'T ok with God doesn't make it NOT a sin. It is simply a way of you justifying or rationalizing a particular sin to appease your conscience.

But if it makes you feel good, then go ahead and pop a p0rn dvd (not mentioned specifically in scripture) into the player and light up a doobie (also not taught against in scripture) and enjoy the ride to hell.
Don't worry, there are plenty of other "Christians" who rationalize their sin or make excuses why they won't follow God's exact commandments who can keep you company there.


RockyG666 63M
1357 posts
11/27/2014 8:03 am

sorry dude, sin is NOT what you think it should be.

sin is only what god spells out in our bibles and our hearts.

some people think it is a sin to kiss another person, they REALLY REALLY believe that. does that make it so? hell no.

we ALL have our beliefs and codes of conduct. that does NOT make it a sin to live otherwise. SORRY.

sin is ONLY what god says is sin.

NOT what prudes say is sin.

thank god.


RockyG666 63M
1357 posts
11/28/2014 9:11 am

peter, peter, peter.

I am so glad you can still whine like a little girl.


Chris4Christ 59M
118 posts
11/29/2014 9:51 pm

    Quoting RockyG666:
    sorry dude, sin is NOT what you think it should be.

    sin is only what god spells out in our bibles and our hearts.

    some people think it is a sin to kiss another person, they REALLY REALLY believe that. does that make it so? hell no.

    we ALL have our beliefs and codes of conduct. that does NOT make it a sin to live otherwise. SORRY.

    sin is ONLY what god says is sin.

    NOT what prudes say is sin.

    thank god.
First things first:
It's God (capital 'G' ), not god (little 'g' ).
But considering how defiant and defensive you are to your own sinful life, perhaps "god" is more appropriate.

Which brings up the matter of the 1st commandment.
Through rationalization and compromise you've placed YOUR own spin on what sin is and isn't, and have clearly broken that commandment: "You shall have no other gods before me".
So in calling your own shots you're placing yourself above God, and He's not cool with that.

And you are correct that sin is not what I (our anyone else) THINKS it is.
However, the sin that I pointed out is found spelt out specifically in many places in the bible, not in my heart, which God himself states the intents of the hearts thoughts are evil continually [Genesis 6:5] (NKJV).

I never mentioned kissing as being a sin.
I mentioned masturbating and viewing "adult entertainment" as being sinful.
When (if?) you physically pleasure yourself, do you blankly stare at a shadow on a wall with nothing but air running through your mind?
Or are thoughts and/or images of a previous lover or some neighbor or celebrity running through your head?
Yep, you've just broken the 7th commandment by committing adultery:
"You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery'. But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. [Matthew 5:27/28] (NKJV)
And in knowing such, thinking about or remembering a lustful even with someone would most assuredly be a sin.

God neither cares nor honors the "beliefs" and "codes of conduct" that any of us live by if they are not following directly inline with scripture.

"For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." [Revelation 18/19] (NKJV)

But know that if you chose to continue following the instructions from your monthly issues of High Times and Playboy at the "DoWhateverMakesUsFeelGood" church you created, that's all on you and your congregation.
You know the truth as does God, for He has presented it to us all through the bible.


RockyG666 63M
1357 posts
11/30/2014 9:06 am

1st things 1st. there are NO lowercase and capitals in Hebrew dipshit. god = god = GOD. English speakers made up capitals a thousand years after Christ.

sin is ONLY what is described in the law.

I do not advocate other sorts of behavior that are questionable, but neither do I call things sin simply because I think they are.

you do not have a clue dude.

get a life. READ god's word.


RockyG666 63M
1357 posts
11/30/2014 5:24 pm

dude. EVERYONE.

if someone's sin is affecting your life a lot, or they are your friend or family...you owe it to them to try to help them work it out

but you do NOT need to be telling others what to do as if you are some sort of boss. threatening everyone with imaginary sins is not what the bible calls us to do.