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Theoretical Question  

JustMe506
10/16/2009 5:32 pm
Here's the scenario to play out in your imagination.

You're the leader of a ministry that does a great deal of good work and often presents the gospel with many people making a commitment to follow Christ.

In order to increase your outreach, you need to increase your donor base.

You decide to go non-denominational, akin to Gospel for Asia.

However, the donors attracted to your ministry are from denominations with some beliefs you don't agree with as biblical.

Do you....
Take the money despite your distaste for the other religion's beliefs.
Return the money with an explanation of why you're refusing it.
Understand that for God's work to increase, you need to decrease. You accept it as a gift from His plan and are grateful.
littleMissTroubl
9 posts 

11/14/2009 11:39 pm

that was a good question

JustMe506
351 posts 

11/1/2009 8:58 am

Oh wait. I didn't answer your question. I was thinking about it differently and then I saw it again.

Usually if it's a donation to a church, the person giving knows he/she is on someone else's turf and probably won't push. They know what they're giving into.

If it's a multi-denominational ministry, yes, that can be an issue. However, I guess it still does relate back to the overseeing board members.

Usually those have a board.

JustMe506
351 posts 

11/1/2009 8:54 am

The answer I've found effective is to look at the board. Every true multi-denominational outreach ministry I've encountered will be as balanced as it's board of directors.

If it's a radio station, are any advertisers who are also on the board? If so, there could be a conflict of interest. Are there other denominations? If so, then it's usually biblically sound.

I've seen denominational arguing at the Christian ministry where I worked. I see it as a good sign because the two warring sides are usually equally balanced in power and control. :LOL:

When one or the other side is out of power, then I've seen the ones with lesser power tend to just go with the flow more.

When I see conflicts here, I wonder if that's the same root. Usually when I read through the arguments, I see two people on the same side. :LOL:

Foraseason
137 posts 

10/31/2009 12:32 pm

This is a good question.
I haven't actually voted as it's a toughie.
Any decision taken would have to be taken very prayerfully,
and ensuring that whoever is donating does not expect to
have control over God's truth and the outreach to others.

ruggedntender
368 posts 

10/27/2009 2:07 am

Great thoughts you posted.. From what I remember "Campus Life Youth For Christ" was or is a great group. I happen to be or feel non-denominational is fairly close to what I guess I would be ... maybe more full gospel or pentecostal depending on how all that is meant now days as I have not followed any of preachers or religious circles in a number of years.

JustMe506
351 posts 

10/26/2009 9:45 pm

Hi Rugged!
... You are very correct there is a lot of compromise and should not be, but that is why I would have little or nothing to do with anything Christan... If you keep it pure the way you see it or believe it, you probably will get NO support. If you compromise you are doing WRONG.

Interesting thought there!

If it were me, I would have a secular station and play a lot of Christan stuff. The world is more tolerant of Christan stuff being in their world than the Christan world is of anything secular..

I've seen that attempted. Some are very for and against it. Q90 FM (Green Bay, Wisconsin), if I remember correctly, tried to do that, and people freaked out. In order to run the ministry outreach, they need the donors' money. In order to gain the donors, they need to tow the donors' line.

So, combining Christian and secular took a back seat.

However, there are Christian artists, Sixpence Non The Richer the prime example, who've tried to bridge both worlds. Most gain a tremendous amount of criticism.

At the same time, their efforts opened the door to help with secular outreach without risking the donors' outrage. A Christian radio station can play Christian artists who happen to also be on secular stations with the same songs. Cool, huh?

Trust me, I have been as stringent as any.. so much so would NOT read a paper or let a paper in my house because they contained a horoscope. I have lived all the other work my way to heaven things any could ever try to live. I still don't think that is a wrong way to live or be as long as they don't get self righteous and as long as they walk in love not condemning any.

Yeah, in my childhood, my father wasn't a believer and my mother was angry at God. So, there wasn't much religious training in my teen years, except through Campus Life Youth For Christ. They basically were my church. As a result, I have a very different outlook, probably much more non-denominational. I never really had that sense of works to Heaven mindset.

I get upset at others putting others down or stating what we can state or talk to them about if they are asking or some such thing as that. NOW I have no issue with some not talking to others, but not being cruel.. just NO is good enough seems to me. I am not getting my point across properly, but I have strong beliefs on a lot of this, but BigChurch is the LAST place on earth a person talks about much of a spiritual nature seems to me. The heathen will accept talking of Christ better than many here ever would probably as so many want to fight. LO

Yeah, I've been getting so I avoid it as it seems to cause huge fights and rankling and divisions. That's the reason I don't put much out there of a (seemingly) spiritual nature. I don't want my blog to become a place of fighting.

ruggedntender
368 posts 

10/23/2009 2:47 am

Sorry I had not seen your answer... You are very correct there is a lot of compromise and should not be, but that is why I would have little or nothing to do with anything Christan... If you keep it pure the way you see it or believe it, you probably will get NO support. If you compromise you are doing WRONG.

If it were me, I would have a secular station and play a lot of Christan stuff. The world is more tolerant of Christan stuff being in their world than the Christan world is of anything secular.. supposedly secular or for that matter ANYTHING Christan that is a BIT .. MAYBE ONLY A TINY bit contrary to their thoughts.

Trust me, I have been as stringent as any.. so much so would NOT read a paper or let a paper in my house because they contained a horoscope. I have lived all the other work my way to heaven things any could ever try to live. I still don't think that is a wrong way to live or be as long as they don't get self righteous and as long as they walk in love not condemning any.

I get upset at others putting others down or stating what we can state or talk to them about if they are asking or some such thing as that. NOW I have no issue with some not talking to others, but not being cruel.. just NO is good enough seems to me. I am not getting my point across properly, but I have strong beliefs on a lot of this, but BigChurch is the LAST place on earth a person talks about much of a spiritual nature seems to me. The heathen will accept talking of Christ better than many here ever would probably as so many want to fight. LOL

JustMe506
351 posts 

10/21/2009 8:27 am

I guess the answer is to be careful about large donations that give someone controlling interest.

In the vein of users here, since it's one blog per person, they can't shut out the voice of others.

Anyway, I'm posting at 100 mph. Time for a knitting break.

JustMe506
351 posts 

10/20/2009 11:20 am

I understand your ideas on rationalization. I saw several.

Ever heard of the term "Dollar a hollar"? Christian radio stations would program in tons of paid shows to keep the bottom line up, no matter how bad the programming.

Another rationalization I saw was in the gay marriage ban. Some supported it only because it made them look good to their donor base.

A final example is how we ran a very nasty "Christian" talk show "Marlin Maddox and Point of View". More than a few of us called it "Point of Spew". (No offense if you liked the program.)

We ran it due to the attached freebies, like national sports and news we couldn't pay for otherwise.

I remember so distinctly how people were getting so riled up against the government and were quoting Marlin.

The irony is that they didn't know that in house, many of us employees didn't agree with the program. I remember several times the engineers would take their sweet time repairing the transmitter during the show's time frame. :LOL:

This experience has really colored my attitude. I feel very cynical when I hear Christians quoting Christian authorities on politics. I know some of those politics can be just for show.

Any time you hear a Christian speaker talking about "Christian" politics, double check their motivation.

Just my two cents.

ruggedntender
368 posts 

10/20/2009 3:47 am

If you do not believe their way is right you don't accept or get tied in.. NOW if you consider your ways might be wrong and toooo stringent you change, but if not, you should never prostitute yourself of belief. Same goes for our real lives I think.. we have to decide what we will do, what we will accept, what we will let in our lives and where we draw a line.

I happen to be fairly lax compared to many peoples thoughts on a lot of life, but only after years of living times of very strict boundaries and often seeing the fact that I know that I know I can live it, but knowing there comes a time I can relax in some things. As for leading others in a ministry, that is not an option at times depending where or how the core of the ministry is.

Yes, of course the statement We have to decrease is right, but WRONG is still WRONG and we have to be very careful we do NOT rationalize on a ministry end.. Our real life maybe a bit more able to consider rationalization, but our ministry is NOT.

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