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God of second chances...
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I can understand that when we don't KNOW Him that we have a chance to wipe the slate clean but how about after we do??? My experience and thoughts is that there is very little room for disobedience and going about our sinful ways AFTER. In reading the OT, God gave His people chances to follow Him but He tired quickly of their rebellious nature and brought forth His wrath. I don't believe that much has changed now....can't serve two masters. To Him be the glory. |
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9/26/2009 1:18 pm |
You have given me much to ponder. While I hardly believe that my salvation is not a "get out of jail free" card, so to speak. I think of my relationship with Christ as a learning, growing and maturing type of journey. He is perfecting my faith because I cannot do it alone. I'm a screw up by nature as God did give us freewill but I do believe He still loves me in my imperfection as I continue to walk with Him. And I am confident that He will complete a good work in me. I look forward to reading the thoughts of others on this. God bless you.
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 9/26/2009 2:32 pm |
Donna, how I wish that the cleansing upon salvation made us free from all sin. But it doesn't. Salvation is the death blow to the power of the "sinful nature", but not the end of sin in our lives. Paul speaks of this when he declares that we should not continue in sin after salvation. After Salvation we are "reborn" again, just as we learned sin as we grew from natural childhood, we will learn "holiness' as we grow from our Spiritual childhood. It is a process, it doesn't happened overnight. More and more Grace is added to destroy the sinful "habits" that exist within us. Repentance is the key that unlocks the Grace that shall be applied. In my circumstances, I was married for 13 years. Then I became divorced about the same time I was saved. The Grace applied at salvation did not deal with the issue of physical contact, It destroyed other sinful behaviors in my life. So afterward the physical desires to be with a woman were still present. But Grace had planted a seed in me that these desires were of the flesh and not what God had planned for mankind. So each time I sought to fulfill these desires the Holy Spirit convicted me of the actions. Actually I ended up being a good witness to some people who were lost. Our actions and failures are directly related to the level of Grace we have received. Example, through Jesus I have received Grace to ignore the desires of the flesh to have intimate relations outside of marriage with a woman. However, by my own mental ability I can override that Grace and perform the action. If I was to do this, then I would be judged according to that act. We are not responsible for our actions according to the flesh and desires that have been introduced to us through the events that happened in the Garden. For sin entered man. We are responsible for our actions after we have received Grace to overcome sinful actions. If you would like to know more about Grace, I will tell you all I know. He has shown me Grace, that is the only way I understand it. Man never told me about this. Donny
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9/26/2009 4:31 pm |
You have given me much to ponder. While I hardly believe that my salvation is not a "get out of jail free" card, so to speak. I think of my relationship with Christ as a learning, growing and maturing type of journey. He is perfecting my faith because I cannot do it alone. I'm a screw up by nature as God did give us freewill but I do believe He still loves me in my imperfection as I continue to walk with Him. And I am confident that He will complete a good work in me. I look forward to reading the thoughts of others on this. God bless you. To Him be the glory.
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9/26/2009 4:54 pm |
Donna, how I wish that the cleansing upon salvation made us free from all sin. But it doesn't. Salvation is the death blow to the power of the "sinful nature", but not the end of sin in our lives. Paul speaks of this when he declares that we should not continue in sin after salvation. After Salvation we are "reborn" again, just as we learned sin as we grew from natural childhood, we will learn "holiness' as we grow from our Spiritual childhood. It is a process, it doesn't happened overnight. More and more Grace is added to destroy the sinful "habits" that exist within us. Repentance is the key that unlocks the Grace that shall be applied. In my circumstances, I was married for 13 years. Then I became divorced about the same time I was saved. The Grace applied at salvation did not deal with the issue of physical contact, It destroyed other sinful behaviors in my life. So afterward the physical desires to be with a woman were still present. But Grace had planted a seed in me that these desires were of the flesh and not what God had planned for mankind. So each time I sought to fulfill these desires the Holy Spirit convicted me of the actions. Actually I ended up being a good witness to some people who were lost. Our actions and failures are directly related to the level of Grace we have received. Example, through Jesus I have received Grace to ignore the desires of the flesh to have intimate relations outside of marriage with a woman. However, by my own mental ability I can override that Grace and perform the action. If I was to do this, then I would be judged according to that act. We are not responsible for our actions according to the flesh and desires that have been introduced to us through the events that happened in the Garden. For sin entered man. We are responsible for our actions after we have received Grace to overcome sinful actions. If you would like to know more about Grace, I will tell you all I know. He has shown me Grace, that is the only way I understand it. Man never told me about this. Donny "However, by my own mental ability I can override that Grace and perform the action. If I was to do this, then I would be judged according to that act". There was a time that I knew with absolute certainty that God did not want me to do something and I disobeyed. Later, it not only crushed me that I did but I had the feeling that He was about done with me. Note...I didn't say He was. So now I'm adamant about obeying. Also the disobedience was far worse than anything else I could do. This is an experience that put this into me and not any teaching. To Him be the glory.
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9/26/2009 5:38 pm |
I believe you are correct, Jesus4me. We cannot continue to knowingly sin and expect the Holy Spirit to remain with us. However, our God is a God of hearts - he knows our weaknesses and how long it will take for us to overcome those weaknesses. As Corries says above, our faith is a journey in which we grow and overcome in faith. The issue is whether we truly repent afterwards and not repeat the sin(s). I think true repentance brings the Holy Spirit back! God bless, G  “Faith makes a Christian. Life proves a Christian. Trial confirms a Christian. Death crowns a Christian.” Annonymous
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9/26/2009 6:17 pm |
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness "Jesus Christ is Lord "
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9/26/2009 6:18 pm |
PLAIN AND SIMPLE, when one becomes saved (truly saved) the HOLY SPIRIT CONVICTS US TO THE POINT OF MISERY. God says he will never leave us nor forsake us but he sure will DISCIPLINE us, and only because HE LOVES US! Though GOD will allow us for a season to dip our FOOT in the DUNG/MIRE of disobedience, it becomes so STINKY we return back home for a bath so to speak, LOL... Rom. 5:8 while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us
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9/26/2009 7:15 pm |
I believe you are correct, Jesus4me. We cannot continue to knowingly sin and expect the Holy Spirit to remain with us. However, our God is a God of hearts - he knows our weaknesses and how long it will take for us to overcome those weaknesses. As Corries says above, our faith is a journey in which we grow and overcome in faith. The issue is whether we truly repent afterwards and not repeat the sin(s). I think true repentance brings the Holy Spirit back! God bless, G To Him be the glory.
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9/26/2009 7:18 pm |
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness To Him be the glory.
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9/26/2009 7:19 pm |
PLAIN AND SIMPLE, when one becomes saved (truly saved) the HOLY SPIRIT CONVICTS US TO THE POINT OF MISERY. God says he will never leave us nor forsake us but he sure will DISCIPLINE us, and only because HE LOVES US! Though GOD will allow us for a season to dip our FOOT in the DUNG/MIRE of disobedience, it becomes so STINKY we return back home for a bath so to speak, LOL... To Him be the glory.
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10/2/2009 8:06 pm |
There is a passage that I like to rememner too- Says 'sin after knowing truth'--- It's a test of sorts when ya think about it. "What IS TRUTH"--- cuz it's not what we have been taught about JESUS that counts but something else that we will be measured by. It's also not the subject of "salvation" or "sanctification" as defined in the christian religion in todays world. There is a "truth" that is so well hidden right out in plain sight that most everyone sees it and then dismisses it as "but that's just not possible"--- whereafter it is then part of our memory but fulloy dismissed as "That just can't BE TRUTH" as is referred to in that one little passage. It becomes a problem for us simply because WE KNOW TRUTH BUT CALL IT A LIE. Hows THAT for a second (and fnal ) chance that we blew out of the water as soon as Jesus left?  couple that one little warning with the one where Jesus himself is telling folks to depart --- after they have been doing what they thought He wanted them doing... makes yer hiney pucker to think WE ARE THE ONES HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THAT "DEPART" thingie. Cuz ya can take it to the bank- we aint got a clue what is wrong except for the one HE GAVE US THAT WE DISMISS AS IMPOSSIBLE. I personally find it HILARIOUS that christians think they are "saved"... when Jesus specifically said they aint. Must be something wrong with the doctrine or somethin eh? Yup. Must be something wrong with the religion- not the Son who issued the warnings. Gotta overcome stuff--- hafta be a tad smarter than Satan if ya wanna hear "well done" etc. And an honest person has to admit- a SINNER OD ANY SORT is simply NOT as smart as Satan much less "a tad smarter". But hey... "He who overcomes"... that means US- and all I see is people trying to hide behind Jesus coat tails thinking they gunna hear "well done" anyway. IT'S JUST HILARIOUS!!!!!! SOOOOoooooooo... show of hands... WHO KNOWS TRUTH? WNO KNOWS WHAT JESUS WAS SENT TO REVEAL? No one? Then ain't ya'll the lucky ones CUZ YER SACRIFICE STILL WORKS. Enjoy it--- a TEACHER IS COMING and you'll be left excuseless when the lesson is over... And yup. ya still get ta hear "depart"- cuz yer gunna KNOW what He's teaching- before he teaches it- and yer not gunna believe HIM either. Go figure. We say we know TRUTH- already... but we are still SINNING???? It's just HILARIOUS!!!! But the way----->  Ain't seen ya inna while... Hope all is well in Va.  Addendum to "losing my faith"...
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10/3/2009 1:49 pm |
I had come to learn that the "God of a second chance" refers to the fact that God gave people a second chance to righteousness. Not a second chance to sin again. It doesn't mean that we can continue to do as we please. God continually calls us to righteousness, obedience and his service.
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10/4/2009 7:12 pm |
There is a passage that I like to rememner too- Says 'sin after knowing truth'--- It's a test of sorts when ya think about it. "What IS TRUTH"--- cuz it's not what we have been taught about JESUS that counts but something else that we will be measured by. It's also not the subject of "salvation" or "sanctification" as defined in the christian religion in todays world. There is a "truth" that is so well hidden right out in plain sight that most everyone sees it and then dismisses it as "but that's just not possible"--- whereafter it is then part of our memory but fulloy dismissed as "That just can't BE TRUTH" as is referred to in that one little passage. It becomes a problem for us simply because WE KNOW TRUTH BUT CALL IT A LIE. Hows THAT for a second (and fnal ) chance that we blew out of the water as soon as Jesus left? couple that one little warning with the one where Jesus himself is telling folks to depart --- after they have been doing what they thought He wanted them doing... makes yer hiney pucker to think WE ARE THE ONES HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THAT "DEPART" thingie. Cuz ya can take it to the bank- we aint got a clue what is wrong except for the one HE GAVE US THAT WE DISMISS AS IMPOSSIBLE. I personally find it HILARIOUS that christians think they are "saved"... when Jesus specifically said they aint. Must be something wrong with the doctrine or somethin eh? Yup. Must be something wrong with the religion- not the Son who issued the warnings. Gotta overcome stuff--- hafta be a tad smarter than Satan if ya wanna hear "well done" etc. And an honest person has to admit- a SINNER OD ANY SORT is simply NOT as smart as Satan much less "a tad smarter". But hey... "He who overcomes"... that means US- and all I see is people trying to hide behind Jesus coat tails thinking they gunna hear "well done" anyway. IT'S JUST HILARIOUS!!!!!! SOOOOoooooooo... show of hands... WHO KNOWS TRUTH? WNO KNOWS WHAT JESUS WAS SENT TO REVEAL? No one? Then ain't ya'll the lucky ones CUZ YER SACRIFICE STILL WORKS. Enjoy it--- a TEACHER IS COMING and you'll be left excuseless when the lesson is over... And yup. ya still get ta hear "depart"- cuz yer gunna KNOW what He's teaching- before he teaches it- and yer not gunna believe HIM either. Go figure. We say we know TRUTH- already... but we are still SINNING???? It's just HILARIOUS!!!! But the way-----> Ain't seen ya inna while... Hope all is well in Va. and more Good to see ya around stranger.To Him be the glory.
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10/4/2009 7:14 pm |
I had come to learn that the "God of a second chance" refers to the fact that God gave people a second chance to righteousness. Not a second chance to sin again. It doesn't mean that we can continue to do as we please. God continually calls us to righteousness, obedience and his service. To Him be the glory.
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