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8/8/2008 8:02 am |
Claudia, I hear you continually telling people that if they really want to learn what the SDA teaches they need to go to the source. I wonder, with all this stuff that you post...how often do you go to the source to get their reasoning for what they are doing versus just going on hearsay from what others have said or written??? Do you know that there are many who would say that the SDA uses mind-control on their members? Please, not only in this post but in others as well, have the same respect for others views that you expect them to have of yours. Have you spoken to a Christian NLP expert to hear his perspective? Have you spoken to one of these supposed pastors who is unwittingly hypnotizing thier flock? Thank you..
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8/8/2008 8:08 am |
Claudia, I hear you continually telling people that if they really want to learn what the SDA teaches they need to go to the source. I wonder, with all this stuff that you post...how often do you go to the source to get their reasoning for what they are doing versus just going on hearsay from what others have said or written??? Do you know that there are many who would say that the SDA uses mind-control on their members? Please, not only in this post but in others as well, have the same respect for others views that you expect them to have of yours. Have you spoken to a Christian NLP expert to hear his perspective? Have you spoken to one of these supposed pastors who is unwittingly hypnotizing thier flock? Thank you.. Im sorry but I dont know how to have respect for this. Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.
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8/8/2008 8:40 am |
The Method of Change--Neurolinguistic Programming The concept of neurolinguistic programming, or NLP, has been around for some 20 years but has only recently begun to gain attention. Originally conceived by linguist John Grinder and Gestalt therapist/computer programmer Richard Bandler, NLP--a veritable grab-bag of positive thinking techniques (including modeling and changing states)--has been popularized in recent years by none other than Anthony Robbins.21 Of course, a full treatment of NLP goes far beyond the scope of this article. But I do intend in what follows to address a few key aspects of NLP that are heavily emphasized in Robbins's materials. Robbins explains the meaning of "neurolinguistic programming" this way: The name comes from "neuro," referring to the brain, and "linguistic," referring to language. Programming is the installation of a plan or procedure. NLP is the study of how language, both verbal and nonverbal, affects our nervous system. Our ability to do anything in life is based upon our ability to direct our own nervous system. Those who are able to produce some outstanding result do so by producing specific communications to and through the nervous system.22 A key technique in Robbins's NLP grab-bag is modeling. This involves the idea that behaviors can be installed into a person much in the same way that software is installed onto a computer. Just as a computer language (like BASIC or PASCAL or "C") can be used to program a computer, so language can be used to program the human mind with productive beliefs and behavior. All one must do is pick a successful individual to serve as the model, and then imitate that model's thoughts, speech patterns, and mannerisms.23 By doing so, one can "rewire" the brain into a success mode of operation. Robbins says that a key presupposition of NLP is that all human beings share the same neurology. This means that if anyone in the world is successful at doing a particular thing, any other human being can do that thing too so long as one runs his or her nervous system in exactly the same way as the successful person. "This process of discovering exactly and specifically what people do to produce a specific result is called modeling."24 By using such modeling, one can run one's brain in an optimal way to produce the results one desires in life.25 Robbins says modeling is a pathway to excellence: If you want to achieve success, all you need to do is find a way to model those who have already succeeded. That is, find out what actions they took, specifically how they used their brain and body to produce the results you desire to duplicate. If you want to be a better friend, a richer person, a better parent, a better athlete, a more successful businessman, all you need to do is find models of excellence.26 Robbins assures us that such modeling can be a huge time-saver for us on the road to success: In many cases, a person may have spent years of trial and error to find the specific way to use his body or mind to produce a result. But you can step in, model the actions that took years to perfect, and produce similar results in a matter of moments, months--or at least in a lot less time than it took the person whose results you desire to duplicate.27 An example would be a person who obtains a videotape of a Martin Luther King, Jr. speech. Robbins says that if a person learns to speak as King did, duplicating his tonality, voice, and tempo, he or she will start to feel a sense of power and strength like never before--just like King himself experienced. By modeling successful people, "you can feel like them in the flesh and even behave as they did."28 But NLP involves more than just modeling. Another related technique in Robbins's NLP grab-bag involves how to change one's "state" at will. A state, Robbins says, is "the sum total of all neurological processes within an individual at any one moment in time. The state one is in will filter or affect the final result of our interpretation of any experience we have at that moment."29 There are empowering states, such as confidence, love, inner strength, joy, and ecstasy--and there are paralyzing states, such as confusion, depression, fear, anxiety, sadness, and frustration.30 Each of these states involve a physiological element--such as a rise in adrenaline if you are in a state of fear, or a slowed heart rate if you are in a state of confidence. If at the moment you are in an empowering state, you will interpret experiences you encounter with an attitude, "I can handle this." If at the moment you are in a paralyzing state, you will interpret experiences with an attitude, "This is too much for me." For example, if you are a salesperson making cold calls to prospects, the state you are in will affect how you treat each prospect. If you are in a paralyzing state (like fear), your conversation may be halting and timid. If you are in an empowering state, your conversation will likely be bold and forthright. One's state affects one's behavior. This is a basic principle in NLP. Robbins thus asks: "What if you could snap your fingers and go into the most dynamic, resourceful state at will--a state in which you're excited, you're sure of success, your body is crackling with energy, your mind is alive?"31 NLP, Robbins says, can enable one to do just that! Of course, Robbins realizes that most of the states people have involve no conscious direction at all. People experience something and then respond by going into a state. It may be a resourceful and useful state or an unresourceful and limiting state, but there is not much that most people do to control it. Robbins says that "the difference between those who fail to achieve their goals in life and those who succeed is the difference between those who cannot put themselves in a supportive state and those who can consistently put themselves in a state that supports them in their achievements."32 If you really want to be successful, Robbins says, you need to learn how to direct and manage your states at will. You must learn to internally "represent things to yourself in a way that puts you in such a resourceful state that you're empowered to take the types and qualities of actions that create your desired outcomes."33 Robbins assures us that "just as a movie director can change the effect his movie has on an audience, you can change the effect any experience in life has upon yourself."34 The key to changing states at will involves an NLP concept called "anchoring." Researcher Bill Heavey explains it this way: Our brains can't really distinguish between imagined and actual events. So when you imagine the phone line going dead halfway through your sales pitch, your body experiences the event as if it were actually happening. Your endocrine system starts secreting cortisol, your heart pumps clumps of platelets into your bloodstream, and panic floods your body. None of this is particularly helpful in maintaining a cheerful phone demeanor. But you can use this bug in your wiring for good as well as evil. Next time you have to make a difficult call, take a moment and conjure up a memory of some amazing personal success: the time you had the winning shot and the gym erupted with applause, the moment a teacher singled you out for praise in front of the whole class, the curtain call after your stunning performance as Pocahontas in the sixth-grade Thanksgiving play. Remember the sights, smells, and feelings you experienced when this happened and relive the moment. This is called anchoring in NLP circles, and it fools your body the same way worrying does. Only this time, you're getting a shot of endorphins, euphoria, and confidence. Give me that phone. Now I'm ready to sell barbecue sauce to Satan.35 The point, according to NLP, is that you can use the power of the brain to change your internal state at will, and by changing your state, you change your reactions to external events (like making a sales pitch). Robbins notes that "all anchoring is a created association of thoughts, ideas, feelings, or states with a specific stimulus."36 With anchoring "you can create a consistent triggering mechanism that will automatically cause you to create the state you desire in any situation without ever having to think about it. When you anchor something effectively enough, it will be there whenever you want it."37 If you're making that sales pitch, by using anchoring you can bring about an inner state of confidence and calm based on an event in the past that was permeated with positive emotions (like a standing ovation you received after delivering a speech). And as a result of this empowered state, your sales call will be handled from a position of boldness and power rather than fear and timidity. From Spiritual Counterfeits Project Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.
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8/8/2008 8:42 am |
Robbins's Spiritual Odyssey After reading the above, one might naturally wonder where religion fits into the picture in Robbins's scheme of things. Most of the time, Robbins lightly tiptoes around religious issues, apparently not wanting to offend anyone. But as I read through his books, there were clear definable clues indicating his openness to Eastern and New Age religious ideas. He does quote on occasion from the Christian Bible--but he quotes from many other sources as well. For example, in his books he approvingly cites Eastern and New Age types like Marianne Williamson,42 Bernie Siegel,43 Deepak Chopra,44 Andrew Weil,45 Confucius,46 Mahatma Gandhi,47 Emmet Fox,48 and A Course in Miracles.49 Other New Age indicators involve his use of Native American chants,50 and his idea that mystical secrets locked in the right side of the brain can be unleashed using his techniques.51 In keeping with his New Age leanings is his religious eclecticism. On a number of occasions, he acknowledges many "great teachers"--including Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Confucius, and Lao-Tzu.52 In terms of his personal religious sojourn, he finally opens up toward the end of his book, Awaken the Giant Within: In my youth, I was inspired to seek spiritual understanding when I realized that I'd attended only one church and been exposed to only one religious philosophy for the majority of my life. In high school I received a scholarship in journalism to attend a two-week program held at California Polytechnic State University in San Luis Obispo. On that Sunday we were all given an assignment to write a story about a church service. As we began to walk through the community, deciding where we would go, I found myself gravitating toward the church of my denomination. But along the way, I heard several of my friends talking about the Mormon Church we had just passed and how 'horrible' those people were. It seemed to me that people just aren't that deplorable; I had to see what was going on. So I attended the service, and saw that the Mormons loved God as much as I did. The only difference was that they had a few rules that were slightly different from my own. This started my spiritual odyssey, which developed into a personal ritual for almost a year and a half. Throughout my eighteenth and nineteenth years, two or three times a month, I would attend a totally different type of worship: Lutheran, Catholic, Baptist, Episcopalian, Methodist, Jewish, Buddhist, and so on. As a result of this, I truly began to live at a more spiritual level where I began to appreciate all peoples' spiritual beliefs. Even if I didn't subscribe to their particular rules or perceptions, I had a much broader base of understanding and compassion as a result.53 The important thing to Robbins, religiously speaking, seems not to be which religion is true or false, but the fact that one has a strong belief system in place. He writes: Every religious book on the planet talks about the power and effect of faith and belief on mankind. People who succeed on a major scale differ greatly in their beliefs from those who fail. Our beliefs about what we are and what we can be precisely determine what we will be.54 Religions throughout history have empowered millions of people and given them strength to do things they thought they couldn't. Beliefs help us tap the richest resources deep within us, creating and directing these resources in the support of our desired outcomes.55 Robbins talks about the transformation of a drug addict to illustrate his point. "When this person develops the conviction that he is absolutely clean, that he's now a 'Christian,' 'Muslim,' 'Jew,' or 'Buddhist,' or now that he's a 'leader'--or anything else other than a 'drug addict'--that's when his behavior changes. As we develop new beliefs about who we are, our behavior will change to support the new identity."56 Aside from Robbins's personal religious beliefs, it is interesting to observe that his human potential seminars can take on a religious tone. Reporter Ann Merrill notes that "although Robbins told the crowd that the meeting was not a revival, several times the seminar mirrored religious ceremonies, from the initial greetings audience members offered each other to the times Robbins sprayed the crowed with water, some falling backward as if healed. The similarities didn't go unnoticed."57 Another observer noted the messianic, larger-than-life effect Robbins seems to have on many people.58 Still another observer suggested that Robbins's seminars are "the MTV equivalent of going to church."59 And still another commented that Robbins's infomercials have "boomed because the televangelists ran into problems." Tony Robbins and those like him "are the new televangelists."60 From Spiritual Counterfeits Project Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.
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8/8/2008 9:00 am |
I dont know but I just cant imagine Christian Pastors going to this guy to learn how to hypnotise their church congregations. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Bandler and John Grinder the Founders of Neurolinguistic Programming Corine Christensen Case On January 29, 1988, Bandler was unanimously acquitted by a jury, after only 5 1/2 hours of deliberation, of the murder of prostitute Corine Christensen[2], an NLP student and fellow cocaine abuser.[3] Someone shot her in the face on November 3, 1986, using one of Bandler's guns.[4] The incident occurred during a visit at her home from Bandler and his friend, James Marino.[5] Authorities found Christensen slumped over her dining table and her blood sprayed on Bandler's shirt.[6] Marino was not charged in the murder.[7] After he and Grinder split, Bandler had trouble attracting clients and he began to use cocaine.[8] Christensen, the daughter of a San Francisco policeman, and her boyfriend, James Marino, a convicted felon who was his best friend, were his suppliers.[9][10] Marino claimed that he told Bandler that Christensen was having a lesbian affair with the writer’s live-in girlfriend.[11] When the two men visited Christensen at her townhouse near Santa Cruz, Bandler drank tequila and argued with her, according to the story.[12] Marino claimed Bandler shot her after cutting off the top of a Mr. Clean bottle to silence his .357 Magnum. [13] Marino also claimed that Bandler spilled liquid soap on himself and the gun, then told him to toss the weapon off the Capitola pier. [14] Divers found both the gun and Bandler's clothing, which were covered with blood and lemon-smelling soap. [15] Authorities also found a bloody straw and cocaine residue.[16] When Bandler was tried, lawyers presented conflicting interpretations of physical evidence. [17] Marino vanished, missed a court appearance and showed up only after authorities issued a warrant for his arrest. [18] Bandler testified that Marino thought Christensen was plotting to have him beaten and killed. [19] He said that Marino actually shot her to death with Bandler's gun, while both were at her home. [20] Before the trial, friends said shooting a prostitute was out of character, even though Bandler had reputation for moodiness and unpredictability. [21] Bandler has stated since that the District Attorney chose to prosecute him for political reasons as he was a high profile defendant. "With me, the DA gets to make a big reputation," he says. "But if it's some thug drug dealer, you're not going to make any mileage." [22] [2] References ^ John Grinder & Carmen Bostic St. Clair, (2001) Whispering in the Wind. C&J Enterprises. ^ Psychotherapist Not Guilty In prostitute's Murder, Jury Finds Los Angeles Times January 29, 1988 ^ Are you a difficult person? CareerTrack Inc.'s business seminars The Atlantic October, 1989 ^ Titillating Trial Involves Lots Of Dirt -- And Mr. Clean;Guru Focus Of Lurid Murder Case Los Angeles Times January 12, 1988 ^ Are you a difficult person? CareerTrack Inc.'s business seminars The Atlantic October, 1989 ^ DON'T WORRY, GET THERAPY, The Guardian (London), May 20, 2006. ^ Psychotherapist Not Guilty In prostitute's Murder, Jury Finds Los Angeles Times January 29, 1988 ^ Titillating Trial Involves Lots Of Dirt -- And Mr. Clean;Guru Focus Of Lurid Murder Case Los Angeles Times January 12, 1988 ^ ibid ^ Psychotherapist Not Guilty In prostitute's Murder, Jury Finds Los Angeles Times January 29, 1988 ^ Bizarre Case Shows Flaky Underside Of Santa Cruz Los Angeles Times January 28, 1988 ^ ibid ^ Titillating Trial Involves Lots Of Dirt -- And Mr. Clean;Guru Focus Of Lurid Murder Case Los Angeles Times January 12, 1988 ^ ibid ^ ibid ^ Bizarre Case Shows Flaky Underside Of Santa Cruz Los Angeles Times January 28, 1988 ^ ibid ^ Psychotherapist Not Guilty In prostitute's Murder, Jury Finds Los Angeles Times January 29, 1988 ^ ibid ^ ibid ^ The State Los Angeles Times November 18, 1986 ^ The Guardian Weekend 'Don't Worry, Get Therapy' May 20, 2006 From Wikipedia Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.
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8/8/2008 10:00 am |
Well I guess I will go ahead and just say something here. The reason Im so much against this entire Neuro-Linguistic Programming practiced by so many Christian Pastors in various denominations is because I have had it used on me before, back when I was about 30 years old, and it caused me to do something I would never normally do. This Pastor went and took courses straight from Richard Bandler himself, one of the Founders of NLP. His own Ghost Writer told me this on the telephone. It robbed me of a good chunk of my life because of it. And Im aware that Christian Churches of all different denominations are and have been for quite a while now, sending their Pastors by the bus loads to take courses on NLP in order to be able to use it on their congregations. Watch out for it! I wont say anything else about this topic because I dont think it needs anymore comment. Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.
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