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Here are a couple of interesting scriptures: 1 Timothy 2 v 3-4 "God...wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth" 2 Peter 3 v 9 "The Lord is...not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance" If God always gets his own way (which seems right) then that MUST mean everybody gets saved. Or does it? What do you think? Peter  "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth" 2 Timothy 2 v 15 |
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8/6/2008 11:28 am |
So why did I just pray and fast over a choice that the Lord said no to, it is a relationship and to be saved is a mans decision whether he wants it or not. Gods way is my way,...Clay
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8/6/2008 11:44 am |
No WONDER you have troubles on your blogs...you like to ask the controversial questions.  Nice to see you blogging again...but I guess I've been on the blogs toooo long ... I choose not to get into these types of questions anymore because we've 'been there/done that' and saw people come to 'blows' over it.
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8/6/2008 1:56 pm |
I just had some new replies on my last blog/poll where I wrote HE doesn't and NEVER FORCED anyone, but He wants them/us to discern by them-/ourselves! I think it's more than fair! What do you think? Isn't He a Wonderful God?? (And not a Tyrant???) HALLELUJAH! Hey, give your vote, what are you expecting, Armageddon??? LOL! --> HAS THERE EVER BEEN ANY ORIGINAL/FIRST SIN?
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 8/6/2008 2:34 pm |
Ooooow Peter, No good askin me owt like that.I`m bound t give the wrong answer .Seriously though.I thought it was (n i don`t know where i got it from,sorry)God`s way is my way.I`m goin with Timothy on this one.I personally think He wants all people to be saved n it`s up to the individual to ask.N ofcourse once you`ve asked you wanna know all about His Word.He Never turns anybody away. Peace be with you, Wendy  Show me the way Sweet JESUS. Lead and i Will follow.  
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8/6/2008 3:01 pm |
No WONDER you have troubles on your blogs...you like to ask the controversial questions. Nice to see you blogging again...but I guess I've been on the blogs toooo long ... I choose not to get into these types of questions anymore because we've 'been there/done that' and saw people come to 'blows' over it.
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 8/6/2008 3:18 pm |
Hi Peter, please notice in both 1 Timothy 2:3-4, and 2 Peter 3:9, the verbs "want, or wanting." Of course Jesus wants us to come to repentence, and this should encourage many to follow suit. However, there's no guarantee that all will! God bless you! "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:13-14  - Pat -My Testimony ... Updated.
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8/6/2008 4:12 pm |
Hey Peter, God has a picture so big that we simply cannot comprehend. I'm safe, however, in grasping that He knows our individual outcomes! God bless! - Pat -My Testimony ... Updated.
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8/7/2008 3:35 am |
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. He wants everyone to come to repentance, He wants everyone to be saved, but He also gives us the choice. Penelope Captive of Hope 
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8/7/2008 6:24 am |
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. He wants everyone to come to repentance, He wants everyone to be saved, but He also gives us the choice. I think my next blog will be on the "Spirit of Err" and how to recognize him! To err is human, to forgive divine. (it says also: "... to perseverate evil." Joy, Joy, Joy!!! 
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8/7/2008 10:16 am |
Ooooow Peter, No good askin me owt like that.I`m bound t give the wrong answer .Seriously though.I thought it was (n i don`t know where i got it from,sorry)God`s way is my way.I`m goin with Timothy on this one.I personally think He wants all people to be saved n it`s up to the individual to ask.N ofcourse once you`ve asked you wanna know all about His Word.He Never turns anybody away. Peace be with you, Wendy Ofcourse not everybody will turn to God but He does want them too.I agree with Pen.He gives us the choice.N yeah i think ya right, ,That is Clay`s sig.Funny that coz i`d just come from his blog just afore i wrote my comment.Sorry Clay for usin it,.It obviously got stuck in my head.Peace be with you, Wendy  Show me the way Sweet JESUS. Lead and i Will follow.
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8/7/2008 12:00 pm |
That is ok Wendy, it is Gods word, just my signature, Peter, I cannot clarify as every comment including Wendies are ok and good, i do however go along Pens comment Gods way is my way,...Clay
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8/8/2008 7:15 am |
Once again thanks to everyone for commenting on this post. I'm shutting it down now but keep your eyes peeled for more things to chew on from God's Word in the very near future. Peter  "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth" 2 Timothy 2 v 15
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8/20/2008 9:33 pm |
God always gets His own way ( His Will be done ), I don't know what translation you're using but in I Tim. 2 3-4 the Greek word being used doesn't mean " wants "......but rather longing. Jesus said, All that the Father has given Him.... will ( not might ) come to Him. Because thats God's Will. As for the phrase used by Peter.........you can ask. Who are those, the LORD is not willing to perish ? The answer would be found in verse 9, for He is long-suffering toward " us " not willing that any of the sheep ( us ) should perish. This is in keeping with what Jesus taught about His sheep, since all will come, and none will be lost. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/21/2008 8:28 am |
Ok Peter......... You don't take the " Once saved, always saved " position. So how many times can a person be saved ? Once, twice......or perhaps more ? God saves an individual once, then He keeps the individual saved. He doesn't kick any of His sheep out, nor can the sheep jump out of His hand. As for God's patience, He has many sheep still to call ( and draw ); before the end comes, and He patiently waits for their time. There is no possibility that some won't come, and again Jesus said " All that the Father has given Me WILL COME to Me. This is the Father's unchangeable will, and all things work according to His will ( Eph. 1:11 ). " In him we were chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, " His purpose and will cannot be altered by man or anyone else, therefore once God saves someone; they stay saved by His unchangeable will and nature. No one has ever been saved, and then lost, and then re-saved. Hence " Once saved ", and once saved " Always kept ". No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/22/2008 5:23 am |
Sorry Pete.......but I don't believe you answered the question. You said you agree. Agree with what ? Do you agree that a person can only be saved once ? The verses you have put together, to support the idea of a possibility of believers falling away, isn't consistent ( nor is it balanced ) with what Jesus taught about the Christian's salvation. For example, you refer to Matt. 10:32,33 as if Jesus was saying that believers would be capable of denying their Saviour. Only those who have rejected Christ ( in life and death ) are capable of denying Christ . The words spoken by Jesus to His disciples in Matt. 10:5-42, where instructions not to go to the Gentiles, they were only to go to the lost sheep of Israel, with the message of the " Kingdom of Heaven ", and they were told what to expect from the Jews. Some would receive the message while others would reject it hence " shake the dust off your feet "; a warning to those who would reject the Good News. In the same way, we are sent out to declare the Good News of Christ ( to all ), and there are those who will reject it, and they will not " acknowledge " Christ, and therefore Christ will not acknowledge them. Don't get the two confused. None of the verses you've alluded to are teaching that the Christian ( those being saved by Grace ) are in danger, of falling away ( or jumping out ) of God's redemptive plan. Its all Grace, we are saved ( once ) and kept ( forever ) by God, no cooperation is needed. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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8/22/2008 2:55 pm |
The question still stands.............How many times can a person be saved ? As for cooperation ( and your idea of opening a gift ), nowhere is salvation ever described as a partnership, or of mankind making any kind of contribution ( God doesn't need our two cents worth ). I've heard many preachers equate salvation, with God making a deposit for all of us, but we have to go into the bank; as it were, to get it out. That kind of thought isn't consistent with what Jesus Himself said. " The Spirit gives life, the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. "John 6:63 Man always wants to play a part, and those who do, will have their reward. Its not you and Jesus, its Jesus alone ( and no that doesn't mean Christians can play the harlot ), whats dangerous is telling Christians, the promises of God can be null and void, whereby counting the precious shed Blood of Christ, as a worthless thing. Unable to save forever, and cleanse once for all eternity. That's what the writer of the Book of Hebrews warns against. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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