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The 'Big Bang' model accepted by most scientists is incompatible with the Genesis account for the following reasons: 1. In Genesis the sun and stars are made after the earth; in 'Big Bang' the sun and stars form before all the planets. 2. In Genesis plants exist before the sun; in 'Big Bang' plants need sunlight to grow {actually they only need light} 3. In Genesis the whole process only took 6 earth days; in 'Big Bang' it has supposedly taken 20 billion years {ish} The length of the earth days MUST be approximately 24 hours as now, as they are measured by the rate of rotation of the earth relative to a light source. The Hebrew word 'yom' can mean an unspecified time BUT when it is qualified with 'evening', 'morning', 'night' and a number, as it is throughout Genesis 1, it always means an ordinary day. Also, Exodus 20v11 gives the creation week as the basis for our 7-day weekly cycle. Any interpretation other than 7 normal days makes no sense in this context. The consequence of accepting a 'long age' interpretation of Genesis, especially one that includes acceptance of an evolutionary process, is to slander the character of God and undermine the gospel, for the following reasons: 1. If God had to take billions of years gradually improving his creation until he finally succeeded in making man, what does this say about his OMNIPOTENCE? Answer: IMPOTENCE would be a better word  2. If God used an evolutionary process involving unspeakable amounts of suffering for uncountable numbers of creatures, what does that say about his LOVING nature? Answer: CRUEL SADIST would be a better description 3. If death was not an intrusion into the creation, and NOT the consequence of sin, what exactly was achieved by Jesus' death on the cross? Answer: NOTHING AT ALL History is littered with examples of how the Church accepted contemporary scientific views of the world DESPITE the clear teachings of scripture, and looked foolish when science moved on and proved the Bible right {geo-centrism - sun goes round the earth, and flat-earth are the two most obvious examples}. In the last few years the secular scientific world has started to question the validity of the 'Big Bang' model on purely scientific grounds, so it is likely that those who have compromised scripture to accept 'Big Bang', long ages and evolution, will soon find themselves with 'egg on their faces' as the church did when it opposed Galileo {whose views actually SUPPORTED the Bible against the prevailing scientific view of the time that was unquestioningly adopted by the church}. No, the 'Big bang' model, and ALL long age views {including Gap Theory, Day-Age Hypothesis, the Progressive Creationism of Professor Hugh Ross and also the Framework Hypothesis) must be ditched in favour of accepting the words of the only eye witness to creation, the Creator God himself, who has given us a VERY CLEAR account in the book of Genesis as to how we all got here. Come on, you know it makes sense. Peter  "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth" 2 Timothy 2 v 15 |
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 7/10/2008 12:34 pm |
It does make sense, perfect sense in fact. Good post! Barack Obama - Is He Even Human?? Save a life, please adopt your next pet from a shelter, pound or rescue. "Iron Chef Bobby Flay, willing to sacrifice life and limb all in the name of flavour!". Alton Brown "Well you black out lane-lines one and three, and a four-lane highway becomes a two-lane comfort cruise". Kramer, "The Pothole" "If life gives you lemons, save the receipt". Stephen Colbert
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7/10/2008 1:46 pm |
It undermines Jesus only saying the Word and people being healed and it undermines David asking God to create in him a clean heart... everything like that happened just then... if they believed. Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.
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7/10/2008 3:49 pm |
YEP!!!!
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7/10/2008 8:29 pm |
Oh, no worries there! My brother is a pastor in a denomination that I don't attend. He believes that creation occurred over millions of years. I don't. We "discuss" often, but it's hard for little old me to argue with someone who has had years of theological training. He uses big words that I can't understand. You are so right. God was there, we weren't and someday we will all know the truth!!
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7/11/2008 12:14 am |
Hey Noah, If you have time, could you please email me? I want to ask you something but Im just a Standard member so I cant email anyone unless I reply to their email... and I dont have any more "points" to be able to email anyone either. Jn:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments. --Jesus.
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7/11/2008 11:00 am |
Hello Peter, I will have to save this and read it later! I have news about this! But I have no time to go into details now. However, for the moment you can start looking at my comment on Sweethoney's post: CATHOLIC INQUISITION TRIES GALILEO God Bless! BB ________________ 
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7/11/2008 9:48 pm |
Hi Peter, I watched 'Indescribable' on DVD last night which is a wonderful message about the universe by Louie Giglio using fantastic scenes from the hubble telescope and he said something that I think is good food for thought - When God said let there be... light, etc It would of made a 'big bang' when it came.. sorry my bad paraphrasing, but hope you get what he was meaning - even the voice of God saying!!! BIG don't you think???  This is one of the amazing sights out there [image] And I am fully a creationist... It is awe-inspiring when you consider how great is our God. Kaye
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7/12/2008 10:54 am |
Well Peter, you will have to wait... LOL! However, have you heard of Gerald Schröder's book: Genesis Vs. Big Bang (1990) (or Schroeder) He is Jewish physicist and aligns the two with Einstein's help! He goes verse by verse in Hebrew as well. From a scientific standpoint (2003), It can't either be denied that the universe is 13,700 million years old. See if you can find it! I really enjoyed it when I read it! BB _______________
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7/12/2008 2:10 pm |
After my response to BB I looked on the internet for info about Gerald Schroeder. Here is some information on him and his theory from a source that I regard as 100% reliable: "It is sadly obvious that Dr. Schroeder has compromised his understanding of the Bible due to evolutionary “science” with the standard evolutionary big bang theory. Dr. Schroeder’s theory appears to be not only an unnecessary compromise with evolutionists, not only confused in its facts, not only a rehash of the discredited “day-age” theory, but also a house built on sand in a scientific sense as well. Dr. Schroeder bases his version of the “day-age” theory on evolutionary dating methods and on an evolutionary interpretation of the fossil record. If one accepts his theory (which places the fossil record before the advent of man), one must accept that billions of years of death, disease, and struggle preceded the entrance of man, and therefore the entrance of sin. This then takes away death as a penalty for sin, clearly taught by Genesis 2:17 and 3:19, and nullifies the work of Jesus on the cross" As far as I am concerned this is all I need to know about Dr. Schroeder. I understand he is not a Christian but is actually Jewish, so this may be part of the reason why he has failed to spot that his theory {like all other 'long-age' views} totally undermines the Christian gospel - or maybe he HAS spotted it but is unconcerned. Peter "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth" 2 Timothy 2 v 15
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7/13/2008 7:59 am |
Peter... we will amplify this subject some more... BTW, be very careful NOT to rely 100% on anyone!!! (or you will miss the "right" path!) Brother to brother in Jesus! BB _______________
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7/16/2008 9:42 pm |
There is a Nuclear Scientist named Robert V. Gentry, who says he can prove the earth is merely a few thousand years old, which would go along with the timing in the bible. However the "other side" refuses to allow him to debate or publish his findings in the media.. Look up his website and it is very encouraging to know there is someone that sharp, that the 'other side' is truly afraid of.
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ALL methods for aging the earth or the universe are based on the UNPROVABLE assumption that past processes have been going on at their present rate at all times in the past. This rules out the intervention of God and is a classic case of "ASSUME what you want to prove" in order to "PROVE what you want to prove". Strictly speaking science can have NOTHING TO SAY about creation or the age of the universe, as science is based on observation and NOBODY observed the creation except God. From the Bible we can deduce that the world is about 6000 years old, therefore that IS its age! The age of the rest of the heavenly bodies is the same but 3 days less!
. But your other point is even more valid - that more often than not the long agers/evolutionists won't even debate directly with young earth creationists. They always say the reason is that the whole idea is so preposterous it's a waste of their time. The REAL reason is that, when faced with someone who actually knows what he is talking about, they get "whupped" every time!
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