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This statement is by Ellen White regarding who Jesus Christ is. It is taken directly from her writings. EGW: "The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty" (Letter 32, 1899, quoted in the Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p. 1129). Ellen White, one of the cofounders of the Seventh Day Adventists says Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty. this was quoted in the SDA Bible comentary as listed above. I apologize for even putting this out but someone has chosen to make it an issue. |
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9/17/2008 8:27 am |
Keep calling 'Em on the Carpet , Dennis!  P.S. Our next Vice President is ABSOLUTELY adorable!Christians are like Timex watches. We take a lickin', but We keep on tickin'! Steve
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 9/17/2008 8:29 am |
No. Jesus is "the Lord God Almighty". No IFs, ANDs, or BUTs ! Greetings from Calgary Canada. Located on the east side of the Canadian Rocky mountains. Where the deer and the antelope play, Where seldom is heard a discouraging word, And the skies are not cloudy all day.
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9/17/2008 8:40 am |
**sigh** Dennis, you could pick out things like this all day and twist them. Here is what actually was said.Ellen White is simply saying God the Father and Jesus were two separate Beings. "Christ left His position in the heavenly courts, and came to this earth to live the life of human beings. This sacrifice He made in order to show that Satan's charge against God is false--that it is possible for man to obey the laws of God's kingdom. Equal with the Father, honored and adored by the angels, in our behalf Christ humbled Himself, and came to this earth to live a life of lowliness and poverty--to be a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. Yet the stamp of divinity was upon His humanity. He came as a divine Teacher, to uplift human beings, to increase their physical, mental, and spiritual efficiency. There is no one who can explain the mystery of the incarnation of Christ. Yet we know that He came to this earth and lived as a man among men. The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one. The Deity did not sink under the agonizing torture of Calvary, yet it is nonetheless true that "God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Please feel free to Visit My Home Page
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9/17/2008 8:42 am |
and thats what I mean about you frequenting these cut throat websites where all they are trying to do is cut down our church and make it appear in as bad a light as possible. INTEGRITY is the key. This is what you ALWAYS ALWAYS do, any time you are challenged in your "You dont have to do anything but believe" theology... you start on this Ellen White thing, which you know NOTHING about. Please feel free to Visit My Home Page
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9/17/2008 8:43 am |
You are horrible. and deceptive. Please feel free to Visit My Home Page
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9/17/2008 8:44 am |
and the REAL TRUTH is you dont want to face the fact that you are bowing down to the POPE in keeping the Sunday Sabbath and so you always try to divert to this garbage. Please feel free to Visit My Home Page
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9/17/2008 9:07 am |
but anyway theres no way Im going to go through every twisting and distorting of what the facts really are in that OTHER post he put up about Ellen White. This just proves he has no ability to stick to the topic at hand and defend his position from the Bible. Because there IS no biblical defense for his position. so each and EVERY time he has to start with this garbage about Ellen White that he gets online from these websites. Its so sad because you all will have to give an account to God for why you are not simply doing what Jesus said when He said keep My Commandments. Its pretty ridiculous to begin with that anyone would have to try to convince a bunch of "Christians" that you have to actually obey God, in the first place. That ought to be just a "given". Sad. Please feel free to Visit My Home Page
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9/17/2008 9:37 am |
JESUS IS THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY whom I love with all my heart, soul, strength, mind, and now my tears!.....Nothing will change that...GOD Bless Us all
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9/17/2008 9:40 am |
Hey DENNIS (HUGS) what about the MCC CHURCH? come on, write a post and just let CLAUDIA be CLAUDIA (LO .... John 19:30 ...he said, It is finished
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9/17/2008 10:21 am |
Dennis........ how many times and for how many years, have warnings gone out to ( and about ) Claudia ? Too many to count !! She isn't listening to our pleas, she only continues to be void of God's truth ( and Spirit ); while she teaches the heresies of the SDA movement. She has been warned far too many times ( scripture says warn a divisive person 3 times and then have nothing to do with them. Lets try to ignore her. While praying that no one is carried away by her false teaching.  No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 1 Cor. 2: 7
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9/17/2008 11:30 am |
No
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9/17/2008 12:23 pm |
Thanks everyone for your replies. What I quoted here was taken directly from Ellen Whites writings. I have a big blog on 50 lies/false concepts taken directly from her writing (Ellen White) All of them including what I have here have the writings and page they are taken from. This one was taken from Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p. 1129). What more do I need say? Somehow in dear Claudia's mind this is lying. Sorry it is a direct quote.
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9/17/2008 12:25 pm |
Claudia there is no twisting involved. You dont come here about Jesus, you come here with continual brainwashed Seventh-day Adventism which is less than 200 years old and continually against the Scriptures as people here agree.
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9/17/2008 12:25 pm |
Claudia, you are judgemental. Dennis is neither horrible or deceptive. What the heck is wrong with you? And trust me Dennis wouldn't bow to the pope if a gun was being held to his head. He'd take a shot in the temple (forhead) first! You obviously know nothing about Dennis except that he doesn't believe in the false doctron of the SDA. You are close minded and yet you say the same about Dennis. God loves everyone the same, he doesn't care that you are Jewish, Christian or even Catholic for that matter. What does matter to Him is that you are misguided and yet you chose to misguide others down the path of man-made doctrine. I pray that somehow God will show you His grace through His Son, Jesus Christ and through His Holy Spirit. Prayer causes Faith to work!
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9/17/2008 7:37 pm |
just one more thing Claudia...regarding bowing down to the Pope? I've seen many Seventh Day Adventist Churches rent out their buildings on Sundays so that various protestant denominations have a place to worship. If SDA pastors and board of directors really believed the statement you made, they would stop taking rent from those congregations that have their services on Sunday. I think it's a little hypocritical for you to state that Dennis is bowing down to the Pope because he choses to keep the sabath on Sunday. I suppose this means SDA's are padding their pockets by renting out their facilities. I myself have worshipped at an SDA when our church was in the midst of moving from one building ot another and had no where to go for a few weeks. Our church had to pay to use the building and the people there were very friendly and nonhypocritical. They let us worship as we wished, just as Jesus would have done. It's closed minded SDAs like you who give YOUR church a bad light. I will continue to pray that some day you will see that SDAs are not the only true church and are not the only true worshippers going to heaven. God will not care whether you are Baptist, Methodist, Assembly of God, Catholic, Presbiterian, of any other denomination or non-denomination as long as you believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior and was sent to save us from out sins. Through faith we are saved by grace. Prayer causes Faith to work!
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9/17/2008 7:43 pm |
who is THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY....THE FATHER ?
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9/17/2008 8:00 pm |
Jesus said when you have seen him, you have seen the Father
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9/18/2008 3:32 am |
SO THEN DENNIS IF I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY...THE FATHER =JESUS=THE HOLY SPIRIT RIGHT ..THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE...I KNOW PEOPLE HERE THAT DON'T BELIEVE THAT,THE FATHER = JESUS = THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE ONE
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9/18/2008 4:46 am |
I believe in the Trinity
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9/18/2008 8:47 am |
SO THEN DENNIS IF I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY...THE FATHER =JESUS=THE HOLY SPIRIT RIGHT ..THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE...I KNOW PEOPLE HERE THAT DON'T BELIEVE THAT,THE FATHER = JESUS = THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE ONE And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand , and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. KJV I do believe in the "GODHEAD" Jose, but I don't believe in the "ONENESS" that your CULT (APOSTOLIC) teaches... the scripture above is crystal clear on describing that JESUS and GOD are SEPERATE beings and that JESUS' auhority did NOT supercede the AUTHORITY OF GOD and that the SOVEREIGN GOD made the decisions and right this VERY SECOND sits on HIS GLORIOUS THRONE! Where is JESUS right this very second Jose? hmmmmm.... maybe on the right hand side? Funny how 3 years later you are still trying to TWIST my beliefs because they don't line up to YOUR false doctrine... hmmm, GIVE IT UP JOSE! John 19:30 ...he said, It is finished
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9/18/2008 10:32 am |
Hey DENNIS (HUGS) what about the MCC CHURCH? come on, write a post and just let CLAUDIA be CLAUDIA (LO .... YOU HAVE A PROBLEM and your track record proves it(YOU WILL KNOW A TREE BY IT'S FRUIT).... so do us both a favor stay away from me and I will stay away from you just like I have been doing.And the next time you attack my character take a good long hard look at where you were SPIRITUALLY three years ago and where you are right now....THE SAME PLACE...YOU CAN FOOL PEOPLE OVER THE NET BUT YOU CAN NOT FOOL JESUS....BEAR FRUIT WORTHY OF REPENTANCE...FRUITS I SAY NOT JUST LIP SERVICE GODS BLESSINGS TO YOU and dennis i'm sorry for this..this truly was not my intentions this in no way had anything to do with claudia and her beliefs or with priscilla or anyone HERE IN THIS BLOG IN PARTICULAR just was asking to pick your brain...and that was all next time I will ask privately as seeing CERTAIN PEOPLE are SPIRITUALLY CHAFF
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9/18/2008 11:31 am |
Jesus said that when you see him(Jesus) you have seen the Father three in one yet separate offices
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9/18/2008 1:08 pm |
I am sorry if you got offended but I didn't mean this blog when I said HERE.. BY HERE I meant B.C. not in HERE this blog.In no way did I mentioned your NAME and quite frankly you were the furthest thing on my mind when I asked this...so if you have a problem let me know Lashing out in such a manner towards ME for no reason at all is not CHRIST LIKE....AND NOW YOU WANT TO ATTACK ME as a person..where here do you see that I am trying to twist YOUR WORDS...what did you say in your comment that I can take to twist? I was asking dennis because I speak to many different people on a regular basis who believes just that.and now you want to accuse me to belonging to a cult YOU HAVE A SERIOUS problem. you talk about cy-ber bullies and you are acting just like the people you are talking about.before you start attacking my character take a GOOD LOOK IN THE MIRROR...any one can clearly see my question had nothing to do with you or your beliefs YOU HAVE A PROBLEM and your track record proves it(YOU WILL KNOW A TREE BY IT'S FRUIT).... so do us both a favor stay away from me and I will stay away from you just like I have been doing.And the next time you attack my character take a good long hard look at where you were SPIRITUALLY three years ago and where you are right now....THE SAME PLACE...YOU CAN FOOL PEOPLE OVER THE NET BUT YOU CAN NOT FOOL JESUS....BEAR FRUIT WORTHY OF REPENTANCE...FRUITS I SAY NOT JUST LIP SERVICE GODS BLESSINGS TO YOU and dennis i'm sorry for this..this truly was not my intentions this in no way had anything to do with claudia and her beliefs or with priscilla or anyone HERE IN THIS BLOG IN PARTICULAR just was asking to pick your brain...and that was all next time I will ask privately as seeing CERTAIN PEOPLE are SPIRITUALLY CHAFF John 19:30 ...he said, It is finished
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9/18/2008 3:21 pm |
hmmmn...what was that about?
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9/18/2008 7:33 pm |
you have problems and issues.Again i say I ask Dennis these types of question all the time.Just the other day in a Ray bolz blog I Asked a question was i talking about you there as well? dennis if i am lying about the line of questioning that i do please admit it here I promise that i will never visit you blog again if i am lying..as far as you priscilla...thinking or assuming that i was referring to you.YOU have issues and you lack discernment.if you want to pick a fight please go elsewhere for i do not desire to debate with you or your childish ways.
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9/18/2008 10:12 pm |
They would be a grounded believer in "their" faith. Our common Christian faith as we understand it, for the most part (assuming you and I believe the same), isn't compatible with the teachings of the Seventh Day Adventists faith. I've long ago given up my efforts to understand how they believe or why, but they tend to focus on different parts of the bible. My Christ, near and dear For Women Only - Christ and the Submission Law God Bless the Believer - Cult or Church
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9/19/2008 4:26 am |
yes SDA is not Christian based on the very unbiblical stances of the founders
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9/19/2008 8:25 am |
Dennis's original question was... Is a person a grounded believer if they make this statement? "The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty" It doesn't matter who made the statement. Ellen White.. Bob Black.. Red Robinson.. Zane Grey.. your next door neighbour.. the local 7-11 clerk.. the town sheriff.. your town's mayor... The answer is still "no". Any church that does not believe Jesus Christ is 100 percent GOD, (not just a little bit of God, or 83 percent, or 98 percent God), is a dead church. Greetings from Calgary Canada. Located on the east side of the Canadian Rocky mountains. Where the deer and the antelope play, Where seldom is heard a discouraging word, And the skies are not cloudy all day.
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9/19/2008 9:44 am |
Thanks Trax and you are 100% correct. My point is showing what the writen beliefs are at this point of the SDA. Unfortunately, despite using the quote and where it is found, the brainwashing always points to some time of spin or somehow it was misquoted. Sad imo
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9/19/2008 10:05 pm |
BROTHERS-SISTERS...WHO ARE WE REALY HURTING HERE? EACHOTHER,SATAN OR..OUR LOVING HEAVENLY FATHER WHO REALY LOVED US SOOOOO MUCH THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON..THAT WHO EVER BELEIVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE..JOHN 3'16 AND HAVE IT MORE ABUNDANTLY...AMEEENNNNN JUST FOR THE RECORD PLZ TAKE NOTE................. 1)HOW MANY TIMES IS IT WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY?????SABBATH-SATURDAY NOT SUNDAY.. YOU ARE ALL WELCOME TO GO AND CHEK THE HISTORY RECORDS IN THE LIBRARY...WHO CHANGED IT AND WHY????? 2)THE SABBATH IS MENTIONED 101 TIMES!!!!!! WHY WOULD IT BE MENTIONED SO MANY TIMES IF IT WASN'T OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE!!!??? 3)WOULD ANY ONE KNNOW BY ANY CHANCE WHAT'S WRITTEN ON THE POPE'S THING WHAT HE WEARS ON HIS HEAD??? 4)A BIT OF HOMEWORK FOR THE WILLING STUDENT'S!!! JESUS'S LOVE,BLESSINGS AND PEACE TO US ALL IN ABUNDANCE. 
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9/20/2008 4:48 am |
If you knew the scriptures better you would know the one that says the sabbath law is dead. Each day we are bombarded with SDA info. It is not Christian. That is why it is important to show the truth about it. The founder says amonst many other fabrications that Jesus is not God. Its important people know that is what she believed Jesus did not come to bring unity. He came as a sword cutting through truth and lies.
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9/20/2008 5:37 am |
If you knew the scriptures better you would know the one that says the sabbath law is dead. Each day we are bombarded with SDA info. It is not Christian. That is why it is important to show the truth about it. The founder says amonst many other fabrications that Jesus is not God. Its important people know that is what she believed Jesus did not come to bring unity. He came as a sword cutting through truth and lies. 101x...maybe He did that to constanty remind people of it.. You my dear Brother beleive what ever you choose to.My job is not to try and convert anyone..that's the Holy Spirit's job..As far as I'm concerned you are my Brother in Christ and I love you.. ps...is this a blog for all to respond ? or to criticise and bellitle each other? Perhaps we can agree to dissagree,and still have that love and respect..That is all I will say and choose to leave it at that!
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9/20/2008 5:52 am |
Christianty does not start until he gives his life on the cross. Many questions he answered with the law because in order to fulfil it hec could not go against it or break it. Thats the confusing part for many and was to me for years. Once I understood covenants and realized his two natures, divine and man...it became clear. To me I think its important to have truths. Consider the warning of the leaven. Not only that but consider what Paul said when he was leaving that wolvesand false teachers would come. He had great concern for that. Thats where I am. An organization saying things such as Jesus is not God is not Christian and needs to be exposed for what it is. i am not upset with you. For 30 years I looked at things pretty much as you do. Now I see that everything is not thrown together. or my relationship with God I look past the cross and what went on with the Christians, versus how the Jewish Faith was which is not my covenant Blessings
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9/20/2008 12:55 pm |
Dennis..not here to argue or put anyone down..FYI ..If Jesus abolished the law of Sabbath keeping why would He mention it 101x...maybe He did that to constanty remind people of it.. You my dear Brother beleive what ever you choose to.My job is not to try and convert anyone..that's the Holy Spirit's job..As far as I'm concerned you are my Brother in Christ and I love you.. ps...is this a blog for all to respond ? or to criticise and bellitle each other? Perhaps we can agree to dissagree,and still have that love and respect..That is all I will say and choose to leave it at that! I had a friend who was married to a Seventh Day Adventist, and so I sought to understand your faith for the sake of the friend who felt torn, because she was an evangelical Christian. Without going deep into the SDA faith, I found nothing in your faith that wasn't backed up with scripture, even though SDA appears to have very different interpretations than my evangelical Christian faith. My spirit didn't fair well with my attendance at SDA, and so my counsel to my friend was to not judge her husband as a non-believer, but to accept that there was an unyoking between them. She left him, and is now doing well. Revelations speaks of God having designated 7 spirits over His 7 churches, and I pray that your church has good standing with God, even if we can't be in agreement. I believe God's word also speaks to remaining in the faith in which you found God. If you have God, you have God. I think the issue here is the importance of recognizing that Christ is God come in the flesh to redeem mankind. I don't think we can reject that truth and be in right standing with God, for this is our power for salvation. Aside from splitting words, I pray you are in God's truth, and return blessing for blessing. My Christ, near and dear For Women Only - Christ and the Submission Law God Bless the Believer - Cult or Church
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9/20/2008 1:27 pm |
It isnt Christian it is born out of the same thing Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are
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9/20/2008 2:11 pm |
It isnt Christian it is born out of the same thing Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are It's good to point out error, but I've learned to point people to our Christ. Beyond that, I hold my peace. God bless Tropical Man. I pray God keeps you in His truth. My Christ, near and dear For Women Only - Christ and the Submission Law God Bless the Believer - Cult or Church
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9/21/2008 5:46 am |
this leader of this cult just said God is not God. That is not dismissable. It it full blown herecy that can not be overlooked.
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9/21/2008 11:58 am |
this leader of this cult just said God is not God. That is not dismissable. It it full blown herecy that can not be overlooked. 1 Corinthians 12:3 says "Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, Jesus is accursed; and no one can say, Jesus is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit". If they possess the Holy Spirit, who am I to say they aren't saved, for I don't believe you can have the Holy Spirit without having accepted Christ for salvation, and that you indeed belong to God. Anyway, I'm not defending the leader. I'm trying to look after our BigChurch SDA's. I have my own concerns over them, such as why they keep saying they're saved because they keep the sabbath, instead of because they're saved in Christ. I also take issue with the comments of the SDA leader, but not our SDA members that follow in the truths and the goodness of God. I believe there are SDA members that are in Christ. I'd like them to see the truth as well, and I trust if they have the Holy Spirit, that the Holy Sprit will take them into all truth, even as we speak truth to one another. If you're seeking to expose the errors of the SDA leaders, then we need to bear in mind whom we try to redeem from the errors. My Christ, near and dear For Women Only - Christ and the Submission Law God Bless the Believer - Cult or Church
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9/24/2008 7:15 am |
you have problems and issues.Again i say I ask Dennis these types of question all the time.Just the other day in a Ray bolz blog I Asked a question was i talking about you there as well? dennis if i am lying about the line of questioning that i do please admit it here I promise that i will never visit you blog again if i am lying..as far as you priscilla...thinking or assuming that i was referring to you.YOU have issues and you lack discernment.if you want to pick a fight please go elsewhere for i do not desire to debate with you or your childish ways. John 19:30 ...he said, It is finished
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9/24/2008 1:59 pm |
Oh now I get it! Family Ties
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9/28/2008 8:23 pm |
ISSUES? the only ISSUES I have are with people like YOURSELF who insist on spewing your DOCTRINAL LIES! BTW, IF I WAS LACKING IN DISCERNMENT I WOULD STILL BE MARRIED TO YOU! oh and one more thing, when did you GROW UP? oh and by the way the venom that you spew out of you mouth and the fiery darts don't work on me.... Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. YOU MAY HAVE PEOPLE HERE FOOLED BUT YOU CAN NOT FOOL JESUS THIS CONVERSATION IS OVER FOR ME
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9/29/2008 4:24 pm |
ISSUES? the only ISSUES I have are with people like YOURSELF who insist on spewing your DOCTRINAL LIES! BTW, IF I WAS LACKING IN DISCERNMENT I WOULD STILL BE MARRIED TO YOU! oh and one more thing, when did you GROW UP? Isnt this an interesting blog!! 
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9/29/2008 4:47 pm |
philopatir, you handle yourself very maturely and with great respect. I had a friend who was married to a Seventh Day Adventist, and so I sought to understand your faith for the sake of the friend who felt torn, because she was an evangelical Christian. Without going deep into the SDA faith, I found nothing in your faith that wasn't backed up with scripture, even though SDA appears to have very different interpretations than my evangelical Christian faith. My spirit didn't fair well with my attendance at SDA, and so my counsel to my friend was to not judge her husband as a non-believer, but to accept that there was an unyoking between them. She left him, and is now doing well. Revelations speaks of God having designated 7 spirits over His 7 churches, and I pray that your church has good standing with God, even if we can't be in agreement. I believe God's word also speaks to remaining in the faith in which you found God. If you have God, you have God. I think the issue here is the importance of recognizing that Christ is God come in the flesh to redeem mankind. I don't think we can reject that truth and be in right standing with God, for this is our power for salvation. Aside from splitting words, I pray you are in God's truth, and return blessing for blessing. Dear Sister I do assure you SDA'S are not a CULT according to trpical man..I don't need to defend God or here to convert any-one..that is simply not my job..I know GOD=SON=HOLY SPIRIT are one! Jesus wasn't accepted by His people,He was persecuted and if we beleive in His teachings and accept Him as our personal Saviour=then we will be walking in His shouse also,being called all sorts of names..hereticks,peculiar,cult.My Father has showen me-given me love that is why showing and giving it to other's..But quite frankly I don't see love in tropical man much..He may have the knowledge..but has no love ...not from what have seen on the blogs..I was tought from an early age to give respect,love,patience etc..not so that I can get something but for other's to see Chirst=God in me..The mouth speaks from the ubundance of the heart..Love those that hate and persecute you not just those that love you,which is not easy at times but if we ask He will give it to us..and give it more ubundantly..Without God=Jesus=Holy Spirit what are we? Empty vessels Surely that is not ;LOVE;?
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9/29/2008 4:56 pm |
I didn't say it was dismissable. I'm pointing defending SDA followers to the truth that Christ is God. If they acknowledge that Christ is God come in the flesh to redeem us from our sins, and they confess Christ as Lord, then I would definitely hold my peace. 1 Corinthians 12:3 says "Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, Jesus is accursed; and no one can say, Jesus is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit". If they possess the Holy Spirit, who am I to say they aren't saved, for I don't believe you can have the Holy Spirit without having accepted Christ for salvation, and that you indeed belong to God. Anyway, I'm not defending the leader. I'm trying to look after our BigChurch SDA's. I have my own concerns over them, such as why they keep saying they're saved because they keep the sabbath, instead of because they're saved in Christ. I also take issue with the comments of the SDA leader, but not our SDA members that follow in the truths and the goodness of God. I believe there are SDA members that are in Christ. I'd like them to see the truth as well, and I trust if they have the Holy Spirit, that the Holy Sprit will take them into all truth, even as we speak truth to one another. If you're seeking to expose the errors of the SDA leaders, then we need to bear in mind whom we try to redeem from the errors. GOD'S RICHEST BLESSINGS TO YOU-YOUR'S 
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9/29/2008 10:28 pm |
It isnt Christian it is born out of the same thing Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are If I was you tropical man...I'd take a long hard look at my self..ask God if thats the kind of christain He wants me to be??? We point at others with one finger..rest are pointed at our selves..hhhmmmmmm
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9/30/2008 5:24 am |
Ho Hum , I see this thread continued to go on and I just now saw it again... Its just ridiculous. Both Dennis and godlycook have been tryingfor years now to keep on claiming the Seventh Day Adventist Church is a Cult and now Dennis does his thing of quoting part of a passage Ellen White wrote to try to make it seem like we dont believe Jesus is God. The truth of the matter is our church could probably do a much better job of defending the belief that Jesus is God than any other church here. But its sad because people here seem to just believe whatever Dennis tells them. Whats worse is one day he will be held accountable for all of his lies and misapplications he has perpetrated upon the innocent people here. I wouldnt want to be in his shoes. Ive tried and tried to believe the best of Dennis, thinking well maybe he just is clueless. but the truth is anyone who did even the least amount of research into what our church actually believes and teaches knows that there isnt any way in the world that we teach that Jesus isnt God.  Please feel free to Visit My Home Page
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9/30/2008 5:52 am |
Charge Robert K. Sanders alleges that Ellen White teaches that Jesus isnt God. He quotes half of one of here statements here: EGW: NO "The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty" (Letter 32, 1899, quoted in the Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p. 1129). Analysis It is a bit puzzling why Sanders didn't quote the whole sentence. Take a look at what the context says: "Equal with the Father, honored and adored by the angels, in our behalf Christ humbled Himself, and came to this earth to live a life of lowliness and poverty—to be a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. Yet the stamp of divinity was upon His humanity. . . . There is no one who can explain the mystery of the incarnation of Christ. Yet we know that He came to this earth and lived as a man among men. The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one".—Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p. 1129, bold added. and there are many many many statements Ellen White makes that make it absolutely clear that she teaches that Jesus is God. Here are just a couple of them: Look, O look to Jesus and live! You cannot but be charmed with the matchless attractions of the Son of God. Christ was God manifest in the flesh, the mystery hidden for ages, and in our acceptance or rejection of the Saviour of the world are involved eternal interests.—Fundamentals of Christian Education, p. 179. (1891) The world was made by Him, "and without him was not any thing made that was made" (John 1:3). If Christ made all things, He existed before all things. The words spoken in regard to this are so decisive that no one need be left in doubt. Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore.—Selected Messages, book 1, p. 247. (1906) In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived. "He that hath the Son hath life." 1 John 5:12. The divinity of Christ is the believer's assurance of eternal life.—Desire of Ages, p. 530. Please feel free to Visit My Home Page
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9/30/2008 5:55 am |
Dont know if anyone here is interested in knowing the TRUTH about anything, but just in case... there it is. Dennis does this with EVERYTHING that has to do with the Seventh Day Adventist Church. He dredges up the garbage from the internet by this Sanders guy and sticks it on here.... where he quotes half truths this way. Its sad. and I dont mind saying, its SATANIC... to try to mischaracterize Ellen White and the Seventh Day Adventist Church this way. and it isnt as though Dennis doesnt know this already. He does this knowingly. Please feel free to Visit My Home Page
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9/30/2008 5:59 am |
Are you being a christian here? And may I ask..who gave you the authority to sit in judgment ,and accuse others of being in a cult? If I was you tropical man...I'd take a long hard look at my self..ask God if thats the kind of christain He wants me to be??? We point at others with one finger..rest are pointed at our selves..hhhmmmmmm He realizes that all hes got to do is keep asserting that the SDA Church is a Cult, and people here will just believe whatever he says. Look at the post I just made above... he takes the things this guy Robert Sanders says, who is KNOWN for misstating Ellen White and he copies these statements and puts them on his blog. He KNOWS it isnt the full story yet he does this anyway. I mean, I try to be "Christian" about it when I deal with Dennis, but he just doesnt have a conscience when it comes to this, honestly. It wont phase him one bit to know that Sanders left out the other half of Ellen White's statement that clearly shows she taught that Jesus was God. Please feel free to Visit My Home Page
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9/30/2008 6:07 am |
Are you being a christian here? And may I ask..who gave you the authority to sit in judgment ,and accuse others of being in a cult? If I was you tropical man...I'd take a long hard look at my self..ask God if thats the kind of christain He wants me to be??? We point at others with one finger..rest are pointed at our selves..hhhmmmmmm and when you get there, click the link "Criticisms" Then click on "Contradiction"... you will see an example of where Dennis gets this from... a man named Robert Sanders who is notorious for misstating Ellen White... like as in the Jesus is God and the idea of Satan being the Scapegoat.. if you will click on the goat picture where it says Alleged Contradiction: Satan Bears Our Sins This one concerns the scapegoat of Leviticus 16. Does the Bible teach that the scapegoat is Christ or Satan? Will Satan have to pay for the sins he has tempted others to commit? Do Ellen White's views on these questions contradict Scripture? ... you will see another thing Dennis does, he gets this misstatment of the facts from Robert Sanders as well. To be honest and frank, it is downright DEVILISH to do this, DISHONEST. and people here unfortunately just buy into it all and believe Dennis. But what can we do? If you post something correcting it, he just digs up another misstatement, we'd be doing this all the time. Dont worry my Sister, God sees all of this. Please feel free to Visit My Home Page
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9/30/2008 6:41 am |
AND SINCE DENNIS IS SO TRUTH-CHALLENGED... here you go, these are statements by Ellen White concerning the Godhead and Jesus: WHAT THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY TEACHES ABOUT THE FULL GODHOOD AND ETERNITY OF JESUS CHRIST The Spirit of Prophecy teaches something far different than the Witnesses, the spiritualists, and the traveling Arian speakers. The Spirit of Prophecy teaches what the Bible teaches—that Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour, is fully God and has existed forever. "Jesus declared, ‘I am the resurrection and the life.’ In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived. ‘He that hath the son hath life’ (1 Jn 5:12). The divinity of Christ is the believer’s assurance of eternal life . . "To the Saviour’s words, ‘Believest thou?’ Martha responded, ‘Yea, Lord: I believe that Thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.’ She did not comprehend in all their significance the words spoken by Christ, but she confessed her faith in His divinity, and her confidence that He was able to perform whatever it pleased Him to do."—Desire of Ages, 530. " ‘In Him [Jesus] was life; and the life was the light of men.’ It is not physical life that is here specified, but [immortality], the life which is exclusively the property of God. The Word, who was with God, and who was God, had this life. Physical life is something which each individual receives. It is not eternal or immortal; for God, the life-giver takes it again . . But the life of Christ was unborrowed. No one can take this life from Him. ‘I lay it down of Myself,’ He said. In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ."—5 Bible Commentary, 1130 (1 Selected Messages, 296-297). "The Word existed as a divine being, even as the eternal Son of God, in union and oneness with His Father. From everlasting He was the Mediator of the covenant . . Before men or angels were created, the Word was with God, and was God . . Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore. The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct Person, yet one with the Father."—5 Review & Herald, 227 (1 Selected Messages, 247). "The world was made by Him, ‘and without Him was not any thing made that was made’ (Jn 1:3). If Christ made all things, He existed before all things. The words spoken in regard to this are so decisive that no one need be left in doubt. Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore."—1 Selected Messages, 247. "The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from all eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the surpassing glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly intelligences, and the adoring homage of the angels was received by Him as His right. This was no robbery of God."—5 Commentary, 1126. "He [Christ] was equal with God, infinite and omnipotent. He was above all finite requirements. He was Himself the law in character. Of the highest angels it could not be said that they had never borne a yoke. The angels all bear the yoke of dependence, the yoke of obedience . . Not one of the angels could become a substitute and surety for the human race, for their life is God’s; they could not surrender it. On Christ alone the human family depended for their existence. He is the eternal, self-existent Son, on whom no yoke had come . . He could say that which not the highest angel could say—‘I have power over My own life. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again."—12 Manuscript Release 395 (Manuscript 101, 1897). "In Christ were united the divine and the human—the Creator and the creature. The nature of God, whose law had been transgressed, and the nature of Adam, the transgressor, meet in Jesus—the Son of God, and the Son of man."—Manuscript 141, 1901 (7 Bible Commentary, 926). "Abraham saw the incarnate Saviour, and rejoiced . . ‘Before Abraham was, I AM.’ Christ is the pre-existent, self-existent Son of God."—4 Signs of the Times, 141. "It was Christ who from the bush on Mount Horeb spoke to Moses saying, ‘I AM THAT I AM . . Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent Me unto you (Ex 3:14). This was the pledge of Israel’s deliverance. So when He came ‘in the likeness of men,’ He declared Himself the I AM, the Child of Bethlehem, the meek and lowly Saviour, God "manifest in the flesh" (1 Tim 3:16)."—Desire of Ages, 24. "Jesus speaks of Himself as well as the Father as God, and claims for Himself perfect righteousness."—7 Bible Commentary, 929. "[John 3:34-36, quoted] In this Scripture, God and Christ are spoken of as two distinct personalities, each acting in their own individuality."—Notebook Leaflets from Elmshaven Library, Vol. 1, 124. "Christ is one with the Father, but Christ and God are two distinct personages. Read the prayer of Christ in the seventeenth chapter of John, and you will find this point clearly brought out. How earnestly the Saviour prayed that His disciples might be one with Him as He is one with the Father. But the unity that is to exist between Christ and His followers does not destroy the personality of either. They are to be one with Him as He is one with the Father."—Review and Herald, June 1, 1905 (5 Bible Commentary, 114  ."The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person."—Upward Look, 153 (Manuscript, 5 ."Christ is the pre-existent, self-existent Son of God . . In speaking of His pre-existence, Christ carries the mind back through dateless ages. He assures us that there never was a time when He was not in close fellowship with the eternal God. He to whose voice the Jews were then listening had been with God as one brought up with Him."—Signs, August 29, 1900 (Evangelism, 615). "He was equal with God, infinite and omnipotent . . He is the eternal, self-existent Son."—Lift Him Up, 17 (Evangelism, 615). "While God’s Word speaks of the humanity of Christ when upon this earth, it also speaks decidedly regarding His pre-existence. The Word existed as a divine being, even as the eternal Son of God, in union and oneness with His Father. From everlasting He was the Mediator of the covenant, the one in whom all nations of the earth, both Jews and Gentiles, if they accepted Him, were to be blessed. ‘The Word was with God, and the Word was God.’ Before men or angels were created, the Word was with God, and was God."—Review and Herald, April 5, 1906 (Evangelism, 615). "[Revelation 1:18-20, quoted] These are wonderfully solemn and significant statements. It was the Source of all mercy and pardon, peace and grace, the self-existent, eternal, unchangeable One, who visited His exiled servant on the isle that is called Patmos."—7 Bible Commentary, 955 (Manuscript 81, 1900). "They retorted with a sneer, as if they would prove Jesus to be a madman, ‘Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast Thou seen Abraham?’ "With solemn dignity Jesus answered, ‘Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.’ "Silence fell upon the vast assembly. The name of God, given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence, had been claimed as His own by this Galilean Rabbi. He had announced Himself to be the self-existent One, He who had been promised to Israel, ‘whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity’ (Micah 5:2). Again the priests and rabbis cried out against Jesus as a blasphemer."—Desire of Ages, 469-470. "What humility was this! It amazed angels. The tongue can never describe it; the imagination cannot take it in. The eternal Word consented to be made flesh! God became man! It was a wonderful humility."—Review and Herald, June 15, 1905 (5 Bible Commentary, 1127). "Jesus claimed equal rights with God in doing a work equally sacred, and of the same character with that which engaged the Father in heaven."—Desire of Ages, 207. " ‘I am the resurrection, and the life.’ He who had said ‘I lay down my life, that I might take it again,’ came forth from the grave to life that was in Himself. Humanity died: divinity did not die. In His divinity, Christ possessed the power to break the bonds of death. He declares that He has life in Himself to quicken whom He will."—Youth Instructor, August 4, 1898 (5 Bible Commentary, 1113). " ‘His name shall be called Immanuel . . God with us.’ The light of the knowledge of the glory of God’ is seen ‘in the face of Jesus Christ.’ From the days of eternity the Lord Jesus Christ was one with the Father; He was ‘the image of God,’ the image of His greatness and majesty, ‘the outshining of His glory.’ It was to manifest this glory that He came to this world. To this sin-darkened earth He came to reveal the light of God’s love,—to be ‘God with us.’ Therefore it was prophesied of Him, ‘His name shall be called Immanuel.’ "—Desire of Ages, 19. "The world’s Redeemer was equal with God. His authority was as the authority of God. He declared that He had no existence separate from the Father. The authority by which He spoke and wrought miracles, was expressly His own, yet He assures us that He and the Father are one."—5 Bible Commentary, 1142. "Was the human nature of the Son of Mary changed into the divine nature of the Son of God? No; the two natures were mysteriously blended in one person—the man Christ Jesus. In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. When Christ was crucified, it was His human nature that died. Deity did not sink and die; that would have been impossible."—Letter 280, 1904 (5 Bible Commentary, 1113). "The rich benevolence of God gave Him to our world; and to meet the necessities of humanity, He took on Him human nature. To the astonishment of the heavenly host, He walked this earth as the Eternal Word."—Fundamentals of Christian Education, 400. "Christ was the Son of God; He had been one with Him before the angels were called into existence. He had ever stood at the right hand of the Father."—Patriarchs and Prophets, 38. "When Christ was human on the earth, He was totally reliant upon His Father for life and power to sustain His human existence. But resurrected from the grave, this was not the case anymore. "But although Christ’s divine glory was for a time veiled and eclipsed by His assuming humanity, yet He did not cease to be God when He became man. The human did not take the place of the divine, nor the divine of the human. This is the mystery of godliness. The two expressions ‘human’ and ‘divine’ were, in Christ, closely and inseparably one, and yet He had a distinct individuality. Though Christ humbled Himself to become man, the Godhead was still His own."—Signs, May 10, 1899 (5 Bible Commentary, 1129). "Christ had not exchanged His divinity for humanity; but He had clothed His divinity in humanity."—Review and Herald, October 29, 1895 (5 Bible Commentary, 112 ."The power of the Saviour’s Godhead was hidden. He overcame in human nature, relying upon God for power."—7 Bible Commentary, 924. "The Roman guard fell as dead men before the resplendent glory, and Christ in His Godhead shown forth as He burst from the tomb and rose triumphant over death and the grave."—3 Signs, 211. "Christ did not make believe take human nature; He did verily take it. He did in reality possess human nature. ‘As the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same’ (Heb 2:14). He was the son of Mary; He was of the seed of David according to human descent. He is declared to be a man, even the Man Christ Jesus. ‘This man,’ writes Paul, ‘was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house’ (Heb 3:3)."—5 Bible Commentary, 1130. "Jesus says, ‘My Father which is in heaven,’ as reminding His disciples that while by His humanity He is linked with them, a sharer in their trials, and sympathizing with them in their sufferings, by His divinity He is connected with the throne of the infinite. Wonderful assurance!"—Desire of Ages, 442. "The Lord God came down to our world clothed with habiliments of humanity, that He might work out in His own life the mysterious controversy between Christ and Satan. He discomfited the powers of darkness. All this history is saying to man, I, your substitute and surety, have taken your nature upon Me, showing you that every son and daughter of Adam is privileged to become a partaker of the divine nature, and through Christ Jesus lay hold upon immortality."—Fundamentals of Christian Education, 379. Please feel free to Visit My Home Page
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9/30/2008 7:24 am |
Cladia..sadly he's given himself the authority to sit in the judgment seat and condemn..Let him..In reality he is not hurting us,but God..What would Jesus say to this? I did mention in my previos post if Sabbath was of no great importance why would He bother telling us about the Sabbath=Saturday to be observed a 101x..do we need to be constantly reminded by God Himself if it's not important..He wasn't the One to change it..I challenged him..still do..and others who beleive God changed it by just 2x commandments to search the Word of God,or get a concordance and find out themselves..satan knows the Bible very well..does he keep it..or shows love? hhhhmmmm how sad..we seem to carry on that we know it all,by calling other's a cult and we are the chosen ones..how sad. God and the angels are weeping with all this nonsence.We will be judged by every word that comes out of our mouth,including mine My earnest prayer is for peace and love..unconditional love for all
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10/3/2008 7:03 am |
Claudia..it was evident to me where he gets his info from  let him do whatever he likes..Was Jesus liked!?! NOOOOOOOOO DID THEY ALL MAKE FUN OF THE SON OF GOD..YES..THAT IS WHAT HE IS DOING  .. ps..we dont need to defend God we know who He is..THE BATTLE IS NOT OURS...AMENNNNNNNNNNNNN
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10/3/2008 1:20 pm |
I did not take the time to read the above comments - just a few. If I remember correctly from my previous studies the SDA believe in the Trinity - at least most of them do. Correct me if I am wrong here Claudia. The issue is the adherence to the OT law for salvation. That is the issue. How are we born again? If someone believes that we are saved by the keeping of the law and thus works then that nullifies salvation by grace through faith. Works are the result of a genuine salvation experience not the origin. This is the only issue I wish to have clarified by the SDA. How are we sinful humankind justified and given eternal life? By works or by faith? I would say we are saved by a faith that issues in works. The works don't save us but if they aren't there, then neither was true repentance and true faith. See II Cor. 7:9-11 - there is a godly sorrow that produces salvation not to be regretted. Again, that results in a changed life wrought by God Himself that issues in works. The fruit or works will be in various degrees (see the parable of the sower and the seed - only the last one that produced the 30 - 60 - 100 was truly saved) but the fruit will be there.
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10/3/2008 1:37 pm |
Just a short synopsis to answer my posed question would be great. I don't think I will read a whole long treatise coming from the church. I could get that on my own. No offense intended.
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10/3/2008 1:52 pm |
Claudia Everything printed is in the context of spoken by the false prophet Ellen White. Its sad to defend such garbage. See that is the sign of a Cult, exactly what you are doing
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10/4/2008 3:29 am |
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